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From tenderfoot TV in atlanta, this is up and vanished the investigation of terror instate i'm your host henzy.

Before we get started today, I have a very important message to share with you. I have an official statement from Marcus harper's attorney, and he asked me to share this on the podcast. Mark harper's attorney says the following.

My client sends his in serious condolences to the family of terror instead, especially her father, in stead, mother, for the tragic loss. He also extends his appreciation to the georgia bureau investigation and local law enforcement for their tireless efforts to determine the identity of parties involved in this case. He asked the public and especially the media, respect his privacy and that of his loved ones as they begin the process of closure. Sincerely, cody Daniel.

A few weeks ago, just hours after ryan dux arrest, I was sitting in my car and a sila, I gave dr. Go on a call. So how many more people are involved .

in this thing? Are we thinking you with the S. Rb, dupe without the ice, can volutes with the S I hearing that you take here now, you too.

There's been a lot of speculation that ryan do couldn't killed terror alone and then gotten away with IT for eleven years. People kept suggesting to me that he wasn't the brightest guy, much less a criminal mastermind. I knew the gb. I was still investigating other suspects, but the pieces started to fall in place when I got a call from believing or not my dad.

yeah. So this, what happened of good for you was out texas yesterday and met this guy. The importance, so on, the guy said, i've been contacted by the G, B, I because they said they found terrible inp body of the month. Congress lady, why Jimmy is gone to .

give me phone number.

But as you told Jimmy this.

And I called .

this person, who requested to remain anonymous. The peak on growth he was talking about belonged to Randy hudson. He also mentioned that Randy hudson son's neth w was now missing, that mathew was both dukes. My dad texted to me and said, hey, they found Terry grant sets body on this peon growth.

her son, the chance .

he was Randy .

hurt and bow to the us. The open family, you know, some of us, probably of the most prominent families in house and began as a lot of money in the family.

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As IT turns out, the rumor of this peak on growth and fitch jerold wasn't far off. The g bi streamed into the hudson family's peak on grove and fits jailed and sirens word as officers searched for evidence. But the sobbing reality of IT all was that they were searching for terrorist body. Here I was hoping that the peak on order search, but in with answers, but at the same time I do that finding terrorist body would finally make her murder a reality.

More than forty G, B, I agents swarmed a phan orchard in benchill county this afternoon. They were digging for clues to help solve one of the state's most notorious missing person's cases, the search for the body of murder victim, terror Greens dead LED investigators to this south georgia pekin orchard in bin hill county, near fix. We washed a parade of g bi. Trucks and other vehicles leave this packet on field. Anthropologists use specialized equipment to sort through the dirt, hoping to find skeletal remains of the missing former beauty queen.

Randy hudson, the owner of the peak on grove, spoke to a local news station after the GPS search broke.

But what i'd like say is, first, our most sincere prayers go out to the grim stead family. I'd also like to say that we are CoOperating with the local share agency and the George bush al. Investigation in regards to this matter on our farm. Yeah, they did our helicopter flu over yesterday, and they got quite a set up after out there in the middle, the field.

That was tony Thomas, a reporter for W, S, B, T, V, channel two in atlanta. They were first on the scene of the peak on order to and fit galled while he was there, he was able to speak to special agent J. T.

Ricketts from the G, B. I, whose in charge of the Green stage case, tony, ask them a few questions about the investigation. You got back some pretty interesting answers.

He didn't have a law, except I think he mentally slip up at one point. Okay, because he said we are interviewing, quote, others who were involved. And later I asked him to clarify he won't said, i'm not to speculate on any more or less, but I think that accidently flip .

out officially the G, B, I had and said there was anybody else involved in tears, murder, but jt rickson slip up suggest that maybe they know more than they are telling us one of ryan dukes old high school buddies called to talk to me about his relationship with ryan and how he didn't think he had IT in him. Do this thing alone .

like I haven't really project like I said to you right in our really tight um just have a lot of trouble accepting IT uh just so like I known too well to know that um you know I wouldn't I don't want to suppose anything I don't want to rule out his his role in something but but he is not out a to do this um yeah he he's a big coward and I just don't see this um going down the way that he seems to be right now. I'm really cares like what more information you may have that may may even a few names that that are running through my head because because I just know this guy um pretty well and I just don't think he's capable of of being the sort of master mind of a fashion ever even if but excelled whatever.

I just don't see IT basically our friendship was just hang out on the weekends IT progressed from like drinking and staying out up late to like smoking weed um and then once I got to offence which um that was weird for a friendship like that because ryan got no sort of aspiration of when you like go to life with the kind of like the press day like he's e or man he is e or he is like the sad do and for me as an eighteen year old I was sad and angry too so that's like what we ve bonded over um you know I had a little weird childhood I was like from my great grandmother so was unique and then I came from my divorce family and his brother got to live with his dad. Which you know I don't know there's going to be some kind of like equation that's always in your head like am I equal to my brother? And I is my my mom is my dad.

And then he was dealing with that. So despite that, we were from the different size of the track or had done different things that are respective high schools. I think probably the only thing in common, as we both played high school football, that we some more time, but I come into like academic stuff and he's to just kind of get by. But we could be this kind of like funk or or fear, or they are common, you girl down there, they want to strong like that to drive and you know, like a tough guy with your dad do whatever and runs of soft and I just I think had a lot to do with you know his situation, parent situation um but didn't deal with a healthy way like key he drinks a why um and again I don't know twenty sixteen nine but I just tell based on the jetty you me in that he's probably still drink. He's probably still smoke and all the rest and just kind of like .

well with me after reminisce on their high school friendship, he told me that he and ryan kind of last touch actually left for college at the university of georgia and athons. He then told me about one of the last times he's didn't interacted with. Ryan was kind of a weird situation, a time that ryan called him out of the blue a few years after he moved away .

from a siller recall a couple of times. And I was like in the building, so I stepped outside answer, and I was just like the same old, you know, hey buddy, that morose home that, okay, they got going on his life, you know, lay in on me and he really just want to tell me that he, like, hooked up with the girl I dated and I don't even know, win.

I don't think he was like, ww, you're dating IT was like, regards IT was way in the past and he was like, just do in one of these like conscious currencies. Just another thing that troubling me is like, do people are secure for what is the eleven past year is like IT doesn't fit with the person I knew and you are me only knew it's like two, two, nine years. But I thought that I really saw you most sides of them and and I don't see this.

I don't see that i'm like trimly thinking about IT like I just don't see yeah but I know somehow I grew from being like friends with minds. You I somehow that motivated to be whatever is am now. So I don't know it's it's rough it's rough.

And I mean, you could just see IT comment. You know you had you mean you were public and his stuck with them. You know if if you stuck around, if you stay closer, I can see a coming to like a desperate point where you know he just has so fuck, he has no other option in the deal from someone. But but I I I can understand the devil part because I just didn't seen the going on.

And actually different context to me is saying, like here using the organ use yet that you know they had a press conference that friend was like, why are you hanging out with these guys? I knew that they were kind of a refresh crowd and not really, you know, ambition of the time they can you know put you down when he says they who are the others. I do say they um some at him and both at the same time I was posted with ryan.

But to be honest, they were they were pretty much of package to do. O on on photo. What would you like? I think we will always try really hard to like the exception and have this really random inside for thought. But then come and that was just as real laziness and I know that you stolen from people. Um I didn't click him because I can relate them.

He didn't come from struggle and rap the senator a state dinner whatever um and and so like he just kind of could have whatever he would just like fucked up opportunity just I could see him just like do in a line of coke and then saying something stupid like let's do this dumb idea like that i'd buy so much quicker and that's not fair and I just completely do the out put position but it's like he was way more unchanged. Not that I ve saw anything violent or anything like that, but he would head more about himself. What about other people? And I think that's public.

What i'm getting out when i'm saying I didn't see that side of wine and I thought a bit of care and right? And why would have conversation to my grandma? So would what past my grandma? So if if I if I just have the two suspects in front of me, like IT was a bit of, uh, a fish ness and a full lessons that he rested in one that I would not have ever give up happen.

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Ever since ryan dux arrest, all I was hearing was his connection to bow dukes, how they were kind of a package deal. And of the two boat was actually the more volatile one. But I was still in a seller. I drove by bodo k's .

house to see if he was home, the new tran apple .

street.

I wonder if he is gone. He wasn't there.

I was really conflicted about what to do. I was ninety nine percent sure the bow was involved, but I felt like I was too early for me to mention his named in the podcast.

I think it's true. I think he's he's involved somehow. But I don't know, are going to charge. I since .

i've heard ryan duke, i've heard about dukes with an ice.

I don't know. I mean, I feel like .

I feel like IT .

from .

to many people. In keeping with journalistic ethics, I decided to just sensor his name, giving him the benefit of the doubt. But now the cat is out of the bag.

A second suspect is now facing charges in the disappearance of terror, Green said. Both dukes.

not one, but two former students from that school under arrest.

Both dux is charged with temperature, with evidence concealing a death and hindering the upper edge of the criminal .

of ryan duke bow ke, whose family is well known in the community. Investigators say they believe a bodoe helped destroy Green stead's body and hide in the pocono. Wth and fits shared .

the confirmation i've been waiting for the dukes was involved.

I call mary to see how he was taking all of this. So much had happened in this case in a matter of days. I wanted to hear his reaction after working a case for almost twelve years. What did he feel like to finally have some answers?

I'm just shot over. Uh, I think I think is investigation still going on? Yeah just a very odd situation. And there's more to IT as somebody that did not have a criminal record, no learned experience of working people, how the new land of experience of criminality did not do this as a random playing, they just did can figure out why.

right? Without her health Better.

that's best to think I didn't walk around or ride around and say, yeah, I will choose that because in the past, I mean, unless he got about a lot of still in a burger or in the past, he didn't have a criminal record on my darling, got by with IT, and he just didn't do that.

Want to do that, want not to do this, want to make he went there with the purpose for somebody away, went there with the purpose himself and ah I got mad and something to turn name what did what did they choose her ah that he had more help to uh um from both and what is being said that there is a thing but both is not charge with anything in everyone counting and I was not charged with anything and uh, being hill county, so RAM is not charged with anything that both is charge. We are not but he could be, he could be but it's d so if lam was out in the hill at that peak on orchard, what? Just not for the charges in there. So he just passes a body up to somebody is friend and let us and let him handle IT .

and friend says, okay, no problem.

That's right in mapping in both tom war in this pain equally together, you want, just saw way out with lesser time. And that happens a lot. In all the cases, the person who actually did the gram make IT the same.

One of the, the of the person did IT, and the person did the seriousness of the gram charm, says evidence in the get lessons because they there the one that caught the police first, they have not. Yes, is our situation. I don't think it's we are by any means.

Is anybody you believe i'm related? I'm montorio that the rest of being made and service and enough al incident is not run in two hundred million hour. You hit the great wow and now want to go.

Even with all the recent developments in this case is still struck me as strange the fact that ryan randomly picked terrorist house to burglarize that night with no previous .

criminal record, in the fact .

that he apparently pon terror's body auto boo, who willingly helped him dispose of IT but no regard to his .

own criminal involvement.

IT also seem too unbelievable. Who were ryan duking baldus? Really, I felt he was time to dive into their past a bit more. Like mary said, bryan has no criminal history. But as for bow, it's a different story.

In April of two thousand and thirteen b ducks and his wife Emily pleaded guilty to stealing more than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the united states army. Dukes, as a unit supply specialist for the U. S.

Army, ordered televisions, cameras, power tools, copper wires, another property, and then fraudulently build the merchandise to the army through the general services administration. After having the items delivered to his personal residence in savana, georgia, dukes and his wife would pon them off for personal financial gain. Dukes was sentenced to twenty seven months in federal prison, three years supervised release, and was ordered to repay more than one hundred and thirty four thousand dollars to the federal government.

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Both duke has been arrested, but before he was arrested just a few weeks ago, actually he was showing some very interesting behavior.

The two men charged in connection a terrible in since two thousand and five murder, both dukes and ryan duke are no strangers to each other. After ryan duke arrest podcast present pain says people started opening up to him, so he started trying to verify their statements. They noticed something really on his podcast site.

Both duke has been trolling the up advantage .

discussion board.

We looked to see if we could find the comments left by dukes, but because users remain anonymous, we couldn't see what exactly he.

But luckily, that's what screen shots are for you. Right before he was arrested, bodog, who is now facing three charges in connection with the exposing Terry grant sets body, held his very own little Q, N, A session right here on the discussion board of the up and vanished website. On the up and vanished discussion board, both ducks used the name A, A, A in all caps.

How do I know that was him? Well, he proved to himself. He posted a cell e on twitter, facing the mirror with his hands sticking out.

Then, in a separate closeup picture, you can see the date written in ten on as palm, among other things. Boat dukes graciously declare that I didn't owe him an apology, but he did accuse me of being bias and quote downright false in my interviews. But the highlight of his stint on the discussion board had to be this. He wrote, I think the gbs has been a great job. Justice is a pinny thing and subjective, you sure is.

If you listen the last week's case evidence, you know that the judge in this case has issued a gag order. But since then, several prominent media outlets here in georgia have filed a motion opposing this gag order. And this thursday, there's a court hearing about IT. I called up phillippa way, the defence attorney in last week's case, evidence to see if you could explain this whole situation .

a little Better. Well, the defender apparently requested a gag water and IT will grand ted the just the problem with the gag war is that IT is extremely broad, and the news media has intervened, asking the judge to narrow the scope of, because, for example, is being interpreted by the court, so that the court is saying that they can provide information to the media. Information is Normally public report.

And that's why probably unconstitional shally overboard, they found the motions to intervene. It's a little bit unusual for a third party to intervene in the criminal case, which is stay. There is a certain defendant in high profile cases.

The media has a limited right to intervene when first among that principles are involved. The first thing that guarantees the right to a free press and that also guarantees individual rights to free speech. This particular order, for example, can be interpreted by friends of parred brand said from even talking to the media about what he was like.

This story of the judge has set a hearing where lawyers for the various media outlets who have an interest in covering this case are going to ask the judge to clarify and probably ask her to narrow the scope of the order, because the way that is right now IT affects people who don't even know that they may be affected by the judge could literally rule from the bench. And you could say, you know what? You're right.

This is too broad. I will clarify and I will draft a more narrow order. SHE could take IT under a basement. SHE could deny IT from the bench, and he could ask the various media outlets to send her what they would propose in some kind of an amended order. And then you could take all of that under advisement before he makes up her mind.

This coming thursday, we will be releasing a bonus episode covering this court hearing in phillippi will be here to do A Q and a with you guys if you have any specific legal questions you want to ask Philip, then leave us a voice meal at seven, seven, no, five, four, five, six, four, one, one and phillip p answer IT this thursday in the coverage of our court hearing. For a while now, i've been hearing rumors about parties that happened on the same peak on .

orchard eleven years ago.

We will left .

that all two.

And yeah, he was not IT was just a few people any three shots around the fire. Far was on the north south of the field, and the tros were fast. I didn't really know one, but I knew one dude out there. And that was, so, dude, you this so good, I always can't heard about him and known about of those high school, and I didn't know how to indian and people like the only .

person I can remember .

is those that child in my house. Is that for how he was talking about that that me and after and that was there with you got into. Mean, this gotch canada had a goole long conversation and in something had how do ve gotten said, I know if he would 是 we were out there or but we can have kind of sundown。 We just tell him you to say we kind of the promotion.

You should he shared up, I think .

those you got kid out of you. We have been incurable to get out of you. And now that I see the teachers of this brand do get, and I see where the pictures are, where are searching that ordered and have been gone over to, let us couple of days in my mom over and over again. And IT seems to me like the goal talking who was around.

did what kind of truck .

to the drive to best memory .

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stinger capture.

Thanks for listening guys. As a reminder, there will be a bonus episode this thursday. If you have any legal questions about the grand staircase for a tourney friend phillippa way, please leave us a voice mail at seven, seven, eight, five, four, five, six, four, one one. Thanks for listening guys.

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You here is no such thing as the perfect murder. No, that's not true, because I had a lot of perfect murder. IT took a years before I was actually able to speak with this guy.

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