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You have to separate the speculation from something that actually has an origin for somebody supposedly witness, something that was told something by somebody who had some involvement in something. We heard a lot of stories at the beginning when round was arrested, and some of them just dismissed out of hand because of my what. There is no way that many people knew about IT. But right now, I think at least twice people .

knew about IT.

The gbr knows a story. I've been told that the gbr, as interviewed at least one person involved in all this, i'm sure, probably isn't .

really all of them.

More than .

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County, this take grin, said charging ryan Alexander duke with the murder of terrans set from tender for TV and industries atlason. This is up and vanished. The investigation of telegrams that i'm your host pain. I've become emotionally attached to this story, but every day I put my blinders on to stay objective. The point of this podcast was to find out what happens, a tera grinder.

And now that we've discovered that something evil and hennesy happen at tera by default, this podcast is now an advocate of justice for what happened to era, I myself, what the person or persons responsible for killing Terry instead, and covering up her murder to pay for their actions. But this is not a witch hunt. This is not about seeking vengeance.

This is about justice in finding the truth. This is about holding people accountable. Every person accused of a crime in our country forget to have their day in a courtroom in their own chance to defend themselves.

One of the most instrumental roles the media plays in amErica is transparency. Jackson baLances. For years this has existed, and in many cases, to real history.

IT served as a catalyst for change in our society. IT helps shape us, who we are as a nation, a nation that demands account service for each other's actions. And all around us, the different forms of media and news reporting and the methods of getting that information to you are constantly changing and inevitable.

Over the years, traditional media outlets have become a part of a giant industry, one that's fuel by millions of dollars, and one that's divided by their own unique political views, eat with their own agenda and strategy. And for the new generation, this is now an era of heightened awareness, a new instinct to now question what you're hearing and seeing all the time, constantly seeking journalism that is unbiased. And this change happening all around us has opened the door for people like me and you to chAllenge what we see in here, stand on your own two feet and have a voice of your own.

And right now, in the case of terror inside, that's exactly what up advantage ed is. It's a new form of media, is a new form of delivering information. And most importantly, it's its own voice.

A voice that is not bound to unwritten rules or standards, a voice that isn't filter are shaped by a bigger agenda, a voice that isn't scared to stand alone in question the authority and will stop at nothing and attempt to find the truth. That's because the podcast is only me. I don't have a dog in the hunt.

All I have are my own conventions as a person in my own world. Compass and unadulterated ated search for truth and for justice due only by passion and sincere in the way of reported. The story of text instead has been a constant evolution.

When i've talked to people like brook bodog s. Girlfriend, these are one or one phone calls that often last for hours. The furthest thing from a traditional interview setting, and most of the time, is just a conversation between two people.

And because of this, is become much more personable than I could have ever imagined. I find myself talking to people like they're my friend or someone closer to me, not just the subject of an interview. One of my last phone calls of the book shared in after a heated about of disagreements discussing both actions, the conversation won't like this.

How do you say me time?

I see you as someone who was put in a very tough .

position and ultimately .

did the right thing and is very confused on how to feel and act at this point. I think that you're been a very tough position, but I think overall, you've handled IT very well. What I think .

and if you were me, how would you handle the backlash from all of this?

I would tell my story and trust in the fact that you told the truth. And that's all that monitors.

How do you make the words hard and you .

less you tunit out. You really, you tune IT out. Move on. You have pick up and move on. An ironic turn on our conversation, to say the least. But at the end of the day, that's what IT was, just a real conversation between two people.

The point of making is that in every single way, whether I even like IT or not, reporting on this case and my relationship to IT is something completely different than when I was when I started this forecast. As I dig deeper for the truth, I become in time with different people and created countless relationships that now extend far beyond the case of terror reinstall. And it's all a balancing act of staining, true to myself, keeping my word to others, and always chAllenging what is out there and standing up for what I believe is right as a person.

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You continue to see this as the last chapter s of the story unfold. Several parts of both story, according to what brook told me, seems strange. I asked risk when to give me his own analysis as a brook phone calls with me. And here's what stood out to him.

First of all, he said that they were having a party at both house and round there. And the roomy Steven, which is r's. Brother, is what he said. And IT was a football game was happen. And he said that when the other people, they are passed out, and as soon from drinking is when ran took the truck and went in cure terror.

But when they all pass out, that when ryan had taken this truck and left.

I do not believe this for one minute, he didn't pick the name out of a hat and just choose that person. There had to be subtenant draw in him, and he didn't just write a round the neighborhood and just happened upon terror. There was something that drew him straight from this year, zero to three hundred party street he drive, rushed to the address. There was something that drew him to the address. Her clothing was removed between that sunday and that wednesday at some time during that time, her clothing .

was removed.

For what purpose was her clothes removed?

Um he said that he was laying face up, that he looked like blue SHE had burns around her neck that he did not have on an cloth IT .

could be for sexual purposes post modern sexual activity that I could only assume because and if you can destroy and burn a body and take IT that are and barry IT, you just want toss the clothing into a trash or somewhere that because they could easily be traced or found by someone when you try to all your best to try to destroy the body and hated. But that's predicated IT on if what he said was true about both a and that the body was not.

Every time he asked ryan about IT or talked him about IT was a look of shame IT was he was sample IT wasn't like, you know, of a nap or IT was a look of shine.

Boo knows the motive behind terrorist murder, however, to keep himself at a prison and to live in the community, he has the minimize, he is involvement, which really what has been going on with the narrative that brook has been selling over the past months. He knows why terror was killed, even if an toe bow details about the crime. We don't really know if they are true. We don't know if what bob is tower brook is true.

But when they all pass out that when ryan had taken those truck and left.

how many people were there?

To say you may be about someone, right? I don't believe .

the story about the gas Price out. And ran still in both truck and travelling to a sillar the kill .

term and he used a credit card to get .

into her home .

SHE is sleep or something? Yes.

terrace dog was an an sad dog when terror was home. If RAM broken into her house with a credit card and not when he was asleep, and dolly, I would have bought with someone staying on the front porch, I am not convinced that ran gain entry to terrorist house using a plastic card. The porch light was on halloween loss, were own, and rong would have to stand on the porch and fill with this a wow. If he did this, he must not be in two.

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How do you know every detail about the crime, except for how ryan killed tera or why killer in all the hours that I talked to book on the phone? SHE never once said that ryan told bow what happened, but boat did. However, no countless details about the crime where tears person keys were that ryan used this truck and even how ryan got into her house with the credit card.

But according to brook bow never knew why ryan did IT because supposedly ryan would never tell him IT was a complete gray area, a huge hole in the story, but was admitted to doing a very awful, in honest thing, burning terrorist body. Please remember that both admitted this. So it's safe to assume that at least that part of the story is true, but to have so many holes and all the other important parts of the story leads me to believe he maybe so really minimizing his role at the end of my last call with brook SHE pointed out to me was he thought we're discrepancies in the states and diamond d against ryan duke. The indictment alleges that ryan duke killed tear with his hand singular after enter her home with the intent to commit the in this last part of our conversation, he told me that the indictment was different from what ryan told bow.

That's not what all, that's not what little about.

What do you about? What do you thank .

you about? Fine.

I don't know. 你们 都 给他。

找 个 电。 What have you act as they can? Just about IT go. And I know what I told you about what he said as her body like that. Why he he is trying to 来 生成 灯泡， he is not. He is not saying that he is trying to work.

我 妻子 抢 过 他， 我 想着 我的。

车 have。 And he was the person that night.

Tell me again exactly what he said, how we tell her.

What do I tell you when I tell you about the march on the mind? He doesn't .

know her neck being Bruce, really.

This was after we had talked for hours, and he had told me that ryan never told you exactly what happened. So I asked her again, well, what did ryan tell? bow?

How did boat know that ryan use the car to get into your house? Have to .

know that 马上 到。

So in the process of why, and tell him that he took his truck and want to tear yourself and use the car to get in her house, what do you say happen if.

Can call you about that.

He didn't really have an answer again, but I held on for a few more minutes when ryan said.

hey, I took your truck to tear out and then I used the car to get into her door. What have 什么？

Yeah that I doesn't .

pretty big detail like, hey, I I stuck into your health with this card and say, why did you go there or what were you doing to so hard to compare him? Did the grade over IT? This is weird. Don't you read?

That is very weird.

IT is very weird. To be honest, a lot of what book told me was weird. SHE seemed to tell me things a little bit differently each time he told me something. For example, when I asked her about her relationship with bow, at first, he told .

me this 也 不是。

Then the second time.

like I told you before, you know, when I found out we were still together, we broke up shortly there after .

in the third time.

a couple of weeks swell, a couple of days fighter, about when I broke .

up after these phone calls broke winter, the cbs show forty eight hours, they aired a short interview clip with brook, and then the host of the .

morning show reacted.

and he still with him. That's what was both did kenset's y told his deep, dark secret and that LED to ryans arrest? And yes, they are still together. So which one was IT? I was trying not to overanalyze everything, but one more thing really stood out .

to me after that all passed out. Apparently that's going to take her car. Whatever he did to this day, boke cannot tell you what rans most was.

Apparently that I had taken her car.

SHE said when ryan had taken her car, as in tera, remember how terrors car had muddle the tires and the driver seat was pushed back. Was this just a word slip or two .

conflicting stories? What he said that was when they all passed out. That's when run had taken her car and done whatever he did this either two things SHE energetic her car to purposely mislead or SHE. Lastly, about new information. If IT is true about her car, then that puts a new twist on the ronal narrative that ran took both start without permission and travel to a sillar kill terror.

The big problem that she's creating for herself is that by saying different things to different people at different times is IT shows the jury that she's capable of talking out of both sides of a mouth IT really gives a good defense attorney a lot to deal with the cross examination to show that she's not a credible witness to show that the things that he says should not be believed by this jury. And at the end of the day, this trial is really about reasonable belt.

And if her multiple prior inconsistent statements are sufficient to give rise to reasonable doubt that really all IT takes for the defense to get not guilty verdicts every time he makes a statement to anybody, whether it's to a television network news, to a friend, a family member, to anybody at all, really, if SHE says anything different on the witness stand, they can use those prior inconsistent statements against her to basically you let the jury know that he is not to be believed. It's classic impeachment of a witness, and it's done by a skillful cross examiner when their intention is to raise reasonable doubt in defensive of their client. Often times, witnesses talk to different people, and they forget exactly what they said to one person, and they say IT to another person another way.

And even a slight difference can give rise to a big question about the witnesses credibility. SHE really is playing with fire by making multiple prior inconsistent statements, because a defensive tourneys really gonna able to dig into her across examination. And if IT rises to the level of reasonable doubt, then guess what? The defendant is found not guilty any time.

A witness sits flat in a witness box. Any time a witness sits in a witness chair, their credibility immediately becomes issue in the case. And if you've made prior inconsistent statements, then a skilled cross examiner to bring that out and show a jury that, hey, this person doesn't remember what theyve said from one time to the next.

They're talking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time. You can't believe them. It's classic across examination. And I would expect nothing less if she's a witness .

in this case if both .

is a meeting certain parts of the story the besides ryan do himself. Who else could know what really happened that night? After several months of research, I think I may have found the answer to that question. It's a long story. And IT all started back in August of two thousand and sixteen.

And right after for I posted the very first episode, I was given a name by someone, a name I don't feel comfortable mentioning yet, but a name that eventually LED me to a picture of eight boys in the back of a black pickup truck. This unnamed person, who I will call jim deal, was in this picture, two among seven other boys. I said, instead of this picture times during the month of August. But as for its significance, I was absolutely clues. But then a few months later, I learned from a risa win the infamous story of the suicide note, a story that, to this day has always perplex me to refresh your memory, that an episode seven race told me the story of a kid who committed suicide in lux tilton and sea.

So I would tell you something. Now, in two thousand and ten, this individual, he drove to oxford neca, and he got in to pray, imposition, and he shot him up. And the hain killed his, say, the rote letter.

He said that he could not live with himself anymore, that he knew what happened to terror. He was threatened, and he saw something that he shuten have seen. There's something to ious.

You're not gona make you maker on a law. In the letter, he listed twelve individuals names. They were all o one and o to, or all three graduates of our own count.

But each one of these individuals need to be taught, rather than named in the person. A person run straight out. Could he have said here, or twelve people, hopefully when I will tell you in mapping, and this is big, maris .

eventually landed .

upon the full list of names on that suicide note. And on that list was jim deal, the same name that had let me to this picture in the first place. So now I had two reasons to hold onto this picture, but only until after the arrest of ryan and bow did all the pieces begin to fall in the place.

Among those eight boys in the picture right there in the middle was twenty one year roll boat dukes with his arms around jim deal. Now this have my full attention. Since stories of a party out on the peak and ultra began to surface, I shipped in my attention back towards this picture. Was this to seventy eight guys that broke was talking about 他们的 屁股。 不是 这。

What about seven?

So I kept digging, and I kept .

finding more and more pictures, often the same time period of late two thousand, five and all, with the same exact guys in the pictures. This was the click that bodo hung out with on a regular basis, and often times that parties out there on the orchard. So what's the point? The point is that brook told me there were people out there on the orchard that night.

The night both claims ryan snake off in his truck, broken the terrace house and murdered her completely undetected. IT wasn't just ryan dux roommates, said, didn't notice him leave that night. IT was also these seven to eight guys, two, likely the same seven to eight guys in this picture.

I'm staring out right now. And what about this party that was rumor to have happened the following weekend? One of those those army bodies told me that in the version of the story he was told, both was burning terrorist body out on the orchard at a party with people around.

Again, likely the same people that are in this picture. The question is, did they know is happening at the time? Or or bown ryan, destroying terrors remains, right? They are in plain site, and they were just none the wiser.

The bottom is that, either way, there is now more people to talk to, more people that may position the information we need to fillip all the gaping holes and bodach story. My god told me that more of the truth lies in the picture of those eight boys. The eight boys who were out on the orchard the night terror was murdered in the same mate, people who were likely there when bolen ryan were still destroying her remains in the fire the following weekend.

To disprove a validation, any of this, I had to start with some of the basic elements of the story. Literally, hours after ran dux arrest a few months ago, I ve got a call from someone. I played part of this call for you, an episode fifteen, you might remember.

SHE sent me the name no around do said, yeah, that team didn't SHE call me. And he says, this is the peak and orchard story. So here, IT is.

So how do you know? He said, all we heard about this ten years ago, the gbs said that his name, randwick name, had never appeared on their right before, and that is not accurate. He has been question. The gbr had the exact scenario that played out two weeks after tired dispute, but this group of people had engaged in quite a bit of that behavior over the years, and they were used to covering for each .

other in a way this so tizer together. If the story that local law forceful received a tive back in two thousand, five of search of peak on order is true. That IT links some serious freedoms to the story of billon ryan destroying terrors remains the next weekend in a fire with .

numerous people around Billy hank. Well, I make child. I got to to know illy a little bit of, I am amy, that really is more of the old oh, run.

And he said, no, to his knowledge, they had never been questioned. And the tvs, as they never that need to share county deputy, go the final and land. And they went the peak, and they didn't look in the right fast, but they did look around in the peak. anal.

I've heard that either ryan bow or both of them had mentioned to friends at a party out on the orchard one week later that they killed tera and someone they told took a serious enough to inform local law forceful. And ryan quis then interviewed, and a search was conducted out in the orchard. If law enforcement didn't, in fact, perform a search on the orchard, there would almost certainly have to be a record of this somewhere. right? So I first started with the basics and went to the oil star with dusty vaca to look through the old newspaper archives.

Dusty imaging to me that he recalled a search that was performed that in two thousand five by local laender cement that took place in an area near fits jerold called queensland. And he believed that IT might be related. But african went missing.

There were several articles about searches conducted by early county share department deputies. Allen Morgan and Nelson pok were cited as the officers in charge. After a few more flips to the archive, I found what dusty was talking .

about that could have been the original surge.

Is that the area?

Mean more of area.

Is that in bin hill county?

But we're in bin hilt county.

Queensland was an unofficial al district near its jewelled but does he didn't know exactly where IT was. So we decided to write out to the peak on ultra ourselves and see if google maps could help us fine queensland.

IT was almost midnight at the time, there was not a single street light on the road said that there was creepy is a complete understatement. Oh, my god, this is great. So this is super grey. I mean, IT really is.

yeah.

I pulled out google maps and search for queensland and reference where we were according to the pin drop. That's queensland. We were basically right on top of IT one now.

and that's where we are. Mean, would be the closed thing. associate.

This IT was nothing completely definitive, but I was plausible that the articles representing ing a search in queensland were, in fact, right here on the peak on augury. After dusting and I got back to those ciller store, he began to open up to me a little about what he had learned about the local law vorce ment search, something he has hasn't been very comfortable talking about.

One of my best friends, he fall is the case. And I think you would consider himself a realist. And he tries to like, stay very grounded with his ideas, you know? So he he tries to accuse razer to find the simplest explanation.

He said, why don't you write a blog post about all the crazy st stories just to show how crazy the things are out there? And I said, Daniel, I don't know that the crazy stories aren't true, and I really feel that way. I mean, I hope they're not.

I hope it's something simple, but the simple stories that i've heard don't make sense. And you have to separate the speculation from something that actually has an origin for somebody supposedly witness, something that was told something by somebody who had some involved in something. We heard a lot of story at the beginning.

I said the beginning when round was arrested and some of my dis dismissed out of hand because of my mother's no way that many people knew about IT. But right now, I think at least twelve people knew about IT, both less of several people who knew whatever IT was both and right knew something about IT, both as two people from most ini. He said a cousin.

He said his eClair and is current over that seven people there. Four people I know came forward with the tip to law enforcement in two thousand. Five, so that's another as eleven. I've taught the two people who two of those people, they do not want to go on the record.

I want to .

see something, you know, fear, fear of of law enforcement, of, you know, possible retaliation. I don't know that would be. And the other thing is, even though I think the people that came forward, the tip did they're thing, I think there would be people that that would blame them for not saying more, even though I think they did the right, they did what you're supposed to do.

The story is that a gave was told, I believe he overheard, ran, say something, and he came forward to some friends, and they came forward to law enforcement and said, hey, you only need to check out this peaking in orchard. And I do believe rand duke's name was said specifically. Sure that actually.

But they went out and search the peak and ordered and didn't finally, now the peak and ordered the one in the north of fish, or the one where they were to gb. I was certain too much ago, the gbr knows a story. I've been told that the gbr, as interviewed, at least one person involved in, know this, i'm sure probably isn't read all of them.

Now I don't think gb, a new back in two thousand five, I have read a communication from two thousand six where somebody talks about IT, said, what happened? Mitton, iran, duke's name. I cannot more firmly believe that IT is true, that I do not fit that way.

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even more confirmation to the mix, I received a call from someone inside law enforcement whose voice has been altered and also had knowledge of this.

you. That was all in at this time.

Is this, and they did there in a different look, but see anything. And there's a reason, anything because one that that that was not nothing to say. When you cream my body, you have to have a high heat, you know, eighteen hundred ages, whatever, two and three hours.

And even after that, they still a lot large one, and basically good getting. 你 想 多了， 我在 家里 再 加点 钱。 And they put her in IT and a doctor in all to get a hot fire and will see you out of the day.

So he added all and wood to her. And after start day was completed, they they discovered that what was 吧？ 那就 all right。

Thank you for my, this was just our hard, I want the people did get a drunk. Super canada. Why am okay? You confess, but you don't know to be.

The evidence of the search was piling up, which only made my suspicions of the eight boys in that picture even stronger. There's just way too many people to know so little. When I try to reach out of these boys to hear their story was shut out.

They would block me on facebook and ignore my calls. But eventually a more distant friend of these boys decided to open up with me and tell me what he knew. He told me about a friend of his that he told him the same story of hearing about tears murder at a party out there on the orchard. A week later, he actually saw this guy, no sola, at the gas station on the day of ryan dux arrest. And he mentioned IT to him again .

there the day they arrested ran. I mean, he was talking in and he said he is, thank you very. Much tell that we burn out some that night.

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The name I sensor is jim deal, the guy from the picture of the eight boys with his arms around bow, and the one whose name was on the suicide note. This no longer felt like a White rabbit. Thanks for listening guys.

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The concept of sworn was really born out of the question and answer sessions that began around the time of the arrest. IT was apparent that a lot of people really wanted to know more about the way the criminal justice system really work, and this was a great opportunity to develop that interest and to help people understand what I live and breathe on a daily basis. I can't say enough how excited I am to bring this part of my life to the listening public. Swan will deal with a two part serious premier .

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Decapitation is a rare murder in america. When I walk back there and I saw that body there, and then I didn't see the hate, I was scared that I was going to be sitting here three years later, not knowing who did this. The George supreme court said many years ago that the office of share of Carries with IT the duty to preserve the piece, protect the last person's property, halt and morals of the people.

Now that kind of says all that, you duty. I'm not some hard city police office that has the authority to do something. I'm not a state of rollman that has the authority to do something on public road way and the share with the duty to protect this community.

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You here is no such thing is the perfect murder. That's not sure because I had a perfect.

IT took years before I was actually able to speak with this guy.

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