The best war reporting often comes from journalists who are embedded with the troops. They eat, sleep, and go out on patrol with service members. They can see and feel for themselves what's going on on the ground. I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Up for Sunday. As we mark 20 years since the U.S. invaded Iraq, we're bringing you an extraordinary story from two of my colleagues, Tom Bowman and Graham Smith.
Tom and Graham have spent a lot of time covering the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they've often been embedded with the troops.
Their story is an investigation about something that's been hidden from the American public. It centers on one very bad day in the Iraqi city of Fallujah. But as you'll hear, it's about much more than that. The series is called Taking Cover from NPR's Embedded Podcast. I'm going to leave it to Graham and Tom. Before we get started, you should know that this podcast contains graphic depictions of war. And we're talking to Marines, so there's a lot of cursing.
Camp Pendleton in Southern California is the West Coast home of the United States Marine Corps. 200 square miles of hills and wetlands and long stretches of beach just outside San Diego. On its edge, there's a sharp hill covered with scrub trees and bushes that overlooks the Pacific Ocean. It's called Horneau Ridge. And over the last 20 years, it's become a place of pilgrimage where Marines sweat and suffer to honor their dead.
The hike up is steep and rocky, with two false summits and, at the top, a small field of crosses and memorials. Dozens of them, of all sizes, some pieced together from tree branches or lumber, some weighing hundreds of pounds, each one carried up by Marines and sailors. Scott Radetzky has climbed Horno Ridge many times,
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of keepsakes and mementos. I mean everything from a coin to a wedding ring to, you know, a medal, a Purple Heart to, I don't know, bottles of liquor, you know, that were poured out, you know, a drink for their fallen comrade. Radetzky is a retired chaplain. He doesn't like the messy piles of empty bottles and cans, but
He knows they're only part of what people leave behind on the ridge. More important are the unseen burdens, the sorrow, the sadness. The anger, regret. Ooh, here's a big word, shame. When someone dies and you don't, the grief that's there, survivor's guilt. And hopefully that lingering that takes place on the hill is part of that, that you can move past the horrific things that you've maybe seen or done.
Chaplain Rudetsky got the Hilltop Memorial started. In the spring of 2003, his unit lost a Marine in Iraq, killed just minutes after the invasion began. Months later, those Marines were back at Pendleton preparing for yet another deployment to Iraq. And that death, it still hung over them. One day, the chaplain gets an idea. He finds some sections of old telephone pole and bolts them together.
The Marines already trained on the ridge. He thought maybe the pain and suffering of carrying this massive cross up the trail could create a bond, and they'd leave the cross itself on top as a memorial. So Radetzky and six others, two officers, two riflemen, and two medics, become the first to do just that. They carry the cross on their shoulders up until almost the end.
The final stretch is so steep they have to push it, drag it, a foot or two at a time, until they reach the top. And they're the ones who inspired this field of crosses, which grows year after year as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan drag on. In time, three of the seven men who carried and pushed that first cross up the trail in the summer of 2003 would themselves be memorialized on Horner Ridge.
One was killed in a firefight in Baghdad, another by a roadside bomb. And that last Marine? His death has always been kind of a mystery.
A mystery we've spent the last three years investigating. Not just because of this one man, others died with him, but because as we started to find out, it was all part of a greater tragedy, covered up by powerful people looking to keep the American public and even the families of those who died from hearing the truth. It's a story about mistakes, faulty assumptions, miscalculations, lies.
This is Taking Cover from NPR. I'm Tom Bowman. And I'm Graham Smith. This is the story of our efforts to learn about the lives lost and why families and even the men who were badly wounded still don't know the truth about what happened to them on the worst day of their lives. See the hole in the building? It's like a square. And when they lost that mortar, it hit.
Boom. I mean, one out of a million shots. We're sitting on those stairs and he looked really pale and he looked shaken and I don't think he'd slept. And he said, Doc, I think I fucked up. And I was like, well, what did you fuck up? And he's like, well, I can't really talk about it, but I think I fucked up. I think I fucked up. They're hiding something for a reason and they don't, there's something that hasn't been disclosed yet.
There's got to be something. Why are they keeping it such a... Why did they keep it a secret to begin with? The fact that nobody has said anything concrete, no paperwork, nothing, and I'm just now finding out there was even an investigation, that's kind of unsettling. I don't care. So why he didn't tell us? Why he lied to us? That's I want to know.
Well, for us, this whole thing started with a tip, a stunning and disturbing allegation from a trusted source. How's it going? Good. All good. That was a final security check now in the building itself. The building. That's what people here call the Pentagon. I've worked here covering the U.S. military for the last 25 years. Walking along the E-ring. Typical morning. You see people in the hallway. Nothing's in China.
I met Renan to a colonel I knew in Afghanistan, or a general visiting from his overseas command who can tell me what's really going on. But there are some things, well, people just don't want to talk about in the building. So I might call them at home at night, or we might meet up at a bar.
Which is what happened one night at a whiskey bar in D.C. Actually, this very bar. A guy who spent a lot of time in Iraq told me a story very few people knew. He told me that early in the Iraq War, there'd been this tragedy. U.S. Marines had dropped a mortar or a rocket on their own people. That's what they call friendly fire. Now, in this case, he said one Marine was killed and another seriously wounded.
Friendly fire deaths, they happen. They happen in every war throughout history. That's not what made his story shocking. Here's the thing. He said that the Marine brass had actually covered it up, burying the truth about this terrible incident because he said the son of a powerful politician was involved in the screw-up.
Tom came to me the next day, asked if I could help dig on this tip he'd just gotten. Since 9-11, Graham and I have spent years reporting from combat zones. We've gone on dozens of patrols. Dug foxholes together. And come under attack while embedded with Marines and soldiers. He's working on the investigations team now, and it felt like we could team up again.
The source who gave me this tip, he was, you know, a little fuzzy on the details. Said this Marine had been killed in the spring of 2004 in Fallujah. The Iraq War, if you lived through it, covered it, maybe fought there, feels like it was just yesterday. But this is 20 years ago now. And we know for some folks, this is ancient history. Maybe you were five when it kicked off. So very basics.
The U.S. invaded at the beginning of 2003 and within a few weeks defeated the Iraqi army, though they never found any of the weapons of mass destruction that were the whole reason for going in. Chemical, biological, maybe nuclear. They found nothing. Still, the Americans occupied the country. They were running things. They figured they'd won. What they didn't realize, a new war was just beginning because a lot of Iraqis hated the American occupiers.
They felt humiliated, brutalized. And this city of Fallujah, it's where the whole nature of the war started to change. It became the center of an insurgency that America would fight to this day, really. So was there a friendly fire incident there? There was a major battle there in 2004 in the spring. Didn't last long, just a couple of weeks in April. And these days, there are pretty good online lists of casualties. So we did what anybody would do.
Quick Google search. It was a deadly month, both for Iraqis and for the U.S. Nearly 150 American troops were killed, 27 of them in Fallujah. That narrowed things down a bit, but still, none were listed as friendly fire. Nothing seemed to fit. For weeks, we poured through small-town newspaper obituaries and press releases the Pentagon sends out whenever a service member is killed. Finally, we got a break.
It was on one of those memorial web pages, like the ones funeral homes set up for family and friends to leave condolences. Only this site is for fallen Marines. And the entries for two different Marines killed on the same day, Robert Zurheid and Brad Schuter, actually told a different story from the military press releases. Each of the two pages said the Marine was killed by friendly fire rather than hostile, like the military reported.
And they were both from the same unit, Echo Company, 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Division. Or, as the Marines would say, Echo 2-1. And another thing caught our attention. A comment from someone named Corporal Gomez Perez. He wrote, April 12th is always on my mind, and every time I think about it, I just get mad. Man, it's bullshit what happened.
Now, the initial tip was one dead, one wounded. But here we have two Marines from the same unit who died on the same day. Was this the friendly fire? We filed a records request with the Marines looking for any information about this incident. Was there an investigation? Now, this is where things get weird. It usually takes months to get an answer from the government. But here, after just a couple of weeks, we got a response.
A thorough search was made, the letter said. No records on file. No records? It made no sense. Look, the military investigates and documents everything, whether it's a major screw-up or just someone losing a piece of gear. Two Marines killed? Even if it wasn't friendly fire, there should be some record of the day.
We filed an appeal asking them to look again. It was incredibly frustrating. But you know what? There are other ways. I started asking around at the Pentagon, calling up both active duty and retired officers, especially those who served in Iraq. Have you guys ever heard about this? Who was involved? We'll hear more about that later. With Tom working the brass, I went looking for grunts, the guys who served in Echo Company.
I dug through books about the fight in Fallujah, including one called No True Glory. I knew the unit, Echo 2-1, and the names of the Marines who died. Plus a date, April 12th. But across 378 pages, there is no mention of a friendly fire incident that day or any other. In fact, no mention of April 12th at all. It was as if nothing had happened that day in Fallujah. But I did find one clue.
That Corporal Gomez Perez from the memorial webpage? There's a picture of him in the center of this book, staring into the camera, half his shoulder torn away by a bullet. The book says he was with Echo 2-1. Between that and the comment, April 12th is always on my mind and every time I think about it, I just get mad. I figured that Corporal Carlos Gomez Perez must have been with Shooter and Zurheide when they were killed. I found a number and called him.
He was on the road. He works in the cannabis industry now. We set up a time to talk the next day. That's ahead on Taking Cover from NPR. You're listening to Up First Sunday. Taking Cover is an investigative series from the Embedded podcast. The story continues after this break. I'm Rachel Martin, and you're listening to Up First Sunday. I'm handing it back over to my colleagues Tom Bowman and Graham Smith, who are sharing their first episode in their special series from the Embedded podcast called Taking Cover. ♪
Hey, Carlos? Good morning. How you doing? Hey, I'm great. It's good to hear you, man. Turns out Carlos was part of Echo Company for the 2003 invasion, too. So he served with Jose Gutierrez. He was the Marine memorialized with that first cross on Horno Ridge. They were pretty good friends. And like Gutierrez, Carlos says he first came to America illegally. I grew up in Mexico City. I grew up in Mexico City, and when I was nine, I ran across the border illegally.
to get to San Diego. We got caught, so I got pushed in jail. He kept trying. And looking back now, it's clear from those trips across the desert that Carlos was already driven by character traits that the Marines championed. I called it my first mission, honestly. After being in the Marine Corps, I called it my first mission because basically I was always in the rear
Not because I couldn't keep up, but to ensure that everybody in front of me was making its way forward. He finally made it, grew up undocumented not far from Camp Pendleton, and as soon as he turned 18, he became a U.S. resident, basically just so he could join the Marines. I was told that the Marine Corps was the hardest branch in the military.
So I'm like, let's see if that's true. I'd read in that book, No True Glory, about the battle where Carlos had been wounded and how he was recognized for his valor that April. So forgive my ignorance, did you get a Silver Star? Yes. I was awarded the Silver Star and I didn't know what Silver Star was, so I had to Google it before.
I received it. It's kind of strange he had to Google it because the Silver Star is a big deal, just two steps below the Medal of Honor. It recognizes conspicuous gallantry. That means ignoring the danger, putting your life on the line to help fellow Marines in combat. When Carlos got home, he was pretty messed up. Not just his shoulder, but mentally. Sure enough, April comes around.
Unintentionally, my mindset goes somewhere else. My body reacts differently emotion-wise. But it's been so long that my son feels the same way. If it rolls around, his whole demeanor changes. He's been in treatment for PTSD, and he's getting better. But Carlos says his family suffered with him. In what sense does it fit that my son's 14 years old, and I tell him, I wish I would have died in Iraq rather than come back?
Not because I don't love you, not because you don't mean the world to me, because if I would have died, it would have ended right there. We talked about the incident, April 12th, that whole month fighting in Fallujah, and how it still lingers for him almost 20 years later. Carlos, he's still the kind of Marine who keeps tabs on his buddies, looking to make sure everybody makes it forward. And over the next two years, he helped us to get in touch with some of them.
including Ben Liotta, Doc Liotta as they call him. Ben was traveling in South America with his girlfriend, a musician, when I reached him. I set up a time to talk, and a week later, I called him from a studio here at NPR. Thanks, Stu. I hear a ring. Hello. Hey, Ben. Yes, Graham here. Graham. Yeah, how you doing, Graham? Okay. Hey, thank you so much. He was in the Navy, a battlefield medic for the Marines. He said he'd been there when the explosion took place. You were corpsman, right? Yes.
Yeah. Can you tell me, uh, well, would you mind just telling me your, your name and, uh, you know, where you're from? Just the sort of basics so I can make sure I don't screw that up.
Real quick, before we get into it, I just wanted to ask a couple questions myself. Absolutely. What is the purpose of your documentary? Well, I'll tell you the truth. Right now, I'm still kind of trying to— I told him about a clue I'd found. Echo Company's captain, Doug Zembeck, wrote a letter to his wife on April 12, 2004. He wrote, One of my Marines called in a mortar mission. The round landed short, killed two of my Marines.
Zembek's wife published the letter years later in a book about their relationship and his death. But from the letter, it's clear the company commander knew immediately it was friendly fire. And one of the things specifically that came out was how long it had taken to notify the families in this incident. So it's about that. Yeah. So that's where I'm at. Yeah. I mean, I will say this. I am always down for the truth to come out.
I mean, I think we both understand the climate today is insane. And I'm not looking to be a part of a smear campaign that's meant to make the Marines look bad. You know what I mean? If your goal is truth, I'm down with that. Yeah, I mean, I've spent a lot of time with Marines over in Afghanistan. I went in 2009 with 2-8 out of Lejeune on the whole insert into the Helmand River Valley and dropped in with them on the helicopters. So you've been through the old trip.
Yeah, yeah. And let me preface this whole thing by saying, I, you know, like, even after talking to Carlos, you know, I was like back in the zone for like a week. And my wife was like, why are you being such a bitch? And, you know, because it's been me this whole week waiting for this call. Yeah, because it you can't not respond to it on those levels. And so thank you. I appreciate that. And no problem.
um yeah all right so let's let's do this officially i'm aiming where i'm from yeah uh my name is benjamin leota i'm originally from uh kind of all over new york ben leota was just one of the men we talked with as we tried to unravel this mystery about echo company if we're to get to the bottom of the allegation about a cover-up we first had to understand more about what happened on the ground
Bill Skiles was there. He's a retired sergeant major. Invited us to his house in Virginia, about an hour south of D.C. Just before we even get into this stuff, we are obviously in your marine room or something. What do you call this place? It's my marine room. So some of these are replicas of weapons? He pours us a couple of whiskeys.
and settles down into a leather recliner. So expectations going. We never heard of the city. Skiles was a right-hand man to company commander Doug Zembeck. I remember Zembeck going on a map in the hallway in Camp Horno. We're going to a place called Fallujah or what the hell? They got back to Iraq in March. In our compound, it was called Camp Volturno and we renamed it Camp Bahariya.
Navy term. We called it Camp Diarrhea. Of course we did. Terrible place. So here we are, a battalion of Marines going to Fallujah. Remember President Bush said as of what, May of 03? Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. The war's over. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. So, okay, yay. Mission accomplished. Yeah. Anyway.
So we go up there, and the expectations of all the Marines, I mean, we actually played football. We spent more than five hours with Bill Skiles that night. Between what he told us, Carlos, and Ben, and dozens of others, plus audio recorded in the city that month, we've pieced together this account of their arrival in Fallujah and the days leading up to the April 12th explosion that killed Brad Shooter and Rob Zurheide. This is Taking Cover from NPR.
You're listening to Up First Sunday. Taking Cover is an investigative series from the Embedded Podcast. The story continues after the break. I'm Rachel Martin, and you're listening to Up First Sunday. We're back with the first episode of the Taking Cover series from the Embedded Podcast. Hosts Graham Smith and Tom Bowman talked to dozens of Marines and soldiers about their experience of what would become known as the First Battle of Fallujah. We had just gotten the brief. The new commander had some, you know, words, wisdom, and
We were doing all the Mattis, the Mad Dog-isms, because he was our division commander. Brigadier General James Mattis. Years later, Mattis served as defense secretary under Trump, but Iraq is where he made his reputation, became an icon in the Marine Corps with nicknames like Mad Dog, St. Mattis. He's very quotable. No greater friend, no worse enemy. We're here with the Velvet Glove approach. ♪
It's late March. The Marines are in Fallujah to take over from the Army. You will go in there and win the hearts and minds. You've got to be there almost as police officers. I'm like, okay, fine. We'll do that. It was something far, far from the truth.
We thought we were moving in for like security and stability, you know, when the hearts and minds of the people. And it seemed like that was just not something the locals in Fallujah were interested in. One reason, the heavy handed tactics of the 82nd Airborne, the army unit they were replacing. I mean, I looked it up and everything online said it was a hornet's nest. You know, you read everything that the 82nd Airborne went through over there. And we still were like more like we just didn't know what to expect.
And then we got there and started asking the army how everything was. It seemed like the army didn't really know what they were doing. And I don't mean to say that just to talk crap about the branches, but some of their own stories. They were like, no, we just drive through and don't even stop when we hit somebody. And like, we just shoot when we're shot at without even knowing what we're shooting at. And it's just like, wow, I think there's a reason they don't like you.
All I know is we prepared for hugging and kissing and love and just spreading the gift of giving. The battle was thought about a little bit, but interesting to see through satellite imagery during April how many were coming in, crossing the Euphrates to come at us. The great Jihad was coming. So then you had the insurgents coming in.
and soldiers became recruiters. Oh, I saw the army shut up your house. I saw the army shoot your hospitals. I saw the army shoot your schools. I saw the army destroy your vehicle, which was your only means of work. Come help us. Get back at them. The army at that time was the best recruiters for the combat that was about to happen. You know, in one way, the army tactics, riding in their vehicles rather than patrolling on foot, worked for them.
They took few casualties. They had one dead, ten wounded. So they're there for six months, seven months, one dead, ten wounded. And this is important to remember that because Marines have landed now. We're back. And all of our arrogance, we're back. Okay. But this time, you can see the difference. The first time in Iraq, I'm walking through the streets in patrol and people are smiling. They're saying, go push, thumbs up, Mr., Mr., we love you, whatever.
Second time around, going to the streets of Fallujah, the demeanor was different. I remember having pens, and we had soccer balls that weren't inflated. I couldn't find air. So we'd throw some soccer balls that were inflated. I remember the kid flipping me off because I gave him a soccer ball without air. You could see hate in the people's eyes. There's no little kiss running to us this year. What the hell's going on? The day the Marines took over, there was a mortar attack at Fallujah's city hall.
Now, a mortar, if you're not familiar, it's kind of like a grenade, but shaped like a bowling pin. Recently, we watched submarines train, launching them out of metal tubes set on tripods. When ready, gun one. The round rises high up into the sky and drops down onto the target with a deafening explosion. Boom, a mortar hit here. Okay, it's kind of like, welcome, Marine Corps. Welcome back. Thirteen Americans are wounded.
Skiles and Captain Zembeck help evacuate the casualties, get soaked in blood. Once we got back, Zembeck and I walked the chow hall with the same camis we had. He was a lot more red. I remember the company looking at us, going, this is not fucking Kansas anymore. April is fast approaching, and that hearts and minds thing, that's not going well. The day after that mortar attack, the Marines lose their first man.
An insurgent fires a rocket-propelled grenade at a Marine truck. RPG hit the Marine vehicle dead stopped. RPG got him and killed him. Next day, General Mattis, personally, they killed a Marine, send in the Marines. I can't blame somebody for getting revenge. You know, you don't fuck with the Marine Corps. We're back, and how dare you? So send a company in. We gave everyone a chance to get out.
And basically we dropped leaflets and did loudspeakers and we were like, if there's a fight coming, if you don't want to fight, get the fuck out of the city right now. And while people were streaming out, fighters were streaming in. Like, we were going through this open, like, courtyard thing. And I always thought...
Something was off. We're walking down and we turn to the right. And I'll never forget this little Iraqi girl came out and she kept pointing down, like she's pointing down the street. And I mean, I'm looking at her and I'm like, all right.
Either she's warning us or a signal. So it's one of the two. Wow. That's kind of a brave little girl right there, if she was warning you. Yeah. I guess she was warning us. Because as soon as we turned the corner to the left, shots came down from the roof, everything. And one of them hit Elrod. And they almost got Doc Watt because he got against the wall and all the bullets started spraying up on the side. And I'm like, all right, so...
It was all video game to me, to be honest. It was until someone got shot. It was all surreal. I do remember that. I remember once Eric Elrod got hit. It all stopped being a game to me. It all stopped being interesting. Yeah. And I started to just get my head right, take it in the right way. The Marine offensive was having an effect. Two days went by. It was evil. No more mosques. No more prayers.
I mean, we went in the city and killed a couple of them, or more, who do first blood. They killed a Marine, General Mattis, go in there and teach them a lesson. We didn't teach anybody a lesson. It turns out the insurgency was waiting for a chance to teach the Americans a lesson.
To begin with Iraq this evening, four American civilians were killed there today and as sometimes happens, the cameras were there for the gruesome aftermath. Here's ABC's John Berman. On the streets of Fallujah, the brutal attack was met with celebration. We are from Fallujah, they chanted. This is our work.
Witnesses say the two SUVs were ambushed as they drove through town. It isn't just ABC. The mangled and charred remains of Blackwater contractors hanging off a bridge flash across TV screens around the world. A clear message from the insurgents. They didn't kill them. They killed them 20 times over. They couldn't get to us, so they want to take it out on those four.
This is the last thing the White House needs. Almost a year after mission accomplished, troops still haven't found any evidence of the alleged weapons of mass destruction. The insurgency is growing stronger. Support for the war back home is dropping. But these are Americans dismembered, burned.
The White House doubles down. The Marines are ordered to clear Fallujah. Some of us had recently returned from a patrol outside the wire a little bit. And I remember just over the loudspeaker, an announcement was made, you know, all Marines report back to your company areas. Hearts and minds? Forget it. General Mattis is forced to drop the velvet glove. The mission now? Search and destroy.
That night, Captain Zembeck jumps up on the hood of a truck to motivate the men. It's pitch black, but you see a figure. The Lion of Fallujah. There he is. Marines, this is our Okinawa. This is our 10 Offensive. This is our Saipan. This is our time in history. Pretty cool. And he goes, we're fighting for, look to your left and right. Those are your brothers. You're fighting for him. Don't you ever disrespect or dishonor the American flag and what we stand for.
through our history of battle in the Marine Corps. And he finishes with this. May the dogs of Fallujah eat hearty off our dead enemy. May the dogs of Fallujah eat hearty off our dead enemies. By now, it's the early hours of April 1st. That's when the hornet's nest started. Oh no, that was full on, we're taking over the city and the whole nine. Like,
We tried to be nice, now it's we gotta do what we came here to do. And that's where we just started going through. We didn't even allow the idea of what this city is gonna look like after the fact influence how we fought. And what I mean by that is if you needed to put a tank main gun round into a building, you put a tank main gun round into the building. You know, if we needed to blow down trees to clear our fields of fire, we blew down trees to clear our fields of fire.
Every day it was kicking in doors, house to house, clearing operations, sometimes with fights. And a lot of times it would be the house next door would have some bad guys in it. And then the Marines would assault towards that house and the bad guys would pack up and move on down the block some, you know. It was kind of like chasing a ghost almost.
So yeah, we were in the fight. We had the enemy on their heels. For more than a week, the men of Echo Company and about 3,000 other Marines pushed into Fallujah, dense neighborhoods of concrete buildings normally housing 280,000 people.
The U.S. military says some insurgents are using children to spot targets for them and deliberately firing from heavily populated areas inside Fallujah. The Al Jazeera TV network sends out brutal images of hospitals crowded with dead and wounded, some of them women and children.
Other networks run the footage too. Hospitals are full and doctors say they're running out of medical supplies. The Iraqis claim hundreds of civilians have been killed or wounded in the last four days. It's too dangerous to bury the dead. Iraqi politicians threaten to resign if the Americans don't stop the assault. That would be a disaster because the Americans are just about to hand responsibility for governing the country over to their Iraqi allies.
So the White House orders the Marines to stop. We've been going good for about a week, and we told to cease fire. Like what? Yeah, cease fire. We don't have to push forward anymore? No, we can't. Okay, fine, cease fire. And just to be clear, you know, we talk about a cease fire. Cease fire was in effect for U.S. forces, but the insurgents didn't have that same order. And so we were in dire straits.
gunfights on a daily basis throughout. Well, the running joke was that there was a pause in combat operations and eventually the enemy guys had agreed that they were going to turn their weapons in and stop fighting. It was just that the joke was that they were going to turn in all their ammo first because they never stopped. They never paused. They just kept shooting at us all the damn time. We get to a schoolhouse. We stop there and now we're in the schoolhouse. That's when CNN got embedded with us.
Tomasz Etzler from CNN. So what happened, you know, in the morning they took us to the school. They were kind of sticking out from the line of the houses which the Marines occupied behind them. Now, Marines are quick to tell you. In combat, they move, shoot and communicate. But now, they're forced to hunker down at the schoolhouse. Think of like
rectangular-shaped building, and there's an open courtyard, so there wasn't no roof over that area. I know we were digging in for the long haul because they had me dig a shitter. And then we, you know, sandbags around the windows, like typical sandbags around the entrance. So we were just kind of like, hey, man, let's block this up just in case. Like, you know, mortars were being launched. We knew mortars were being launched. So go forward a couple days. Tell me about the 12th.
I mean, it started as a normal day. We like, everybody wakes up, we're smoking and joking. So we have our first watch in the morning, my team. So we got word that we were going to get attacked at night. So I'm like, okay. It was a very sporadic gunfight going on. And at one point, and it was already April 12th, the school was hit by RPGs.
But the RPG hit the corner of the school, you know, it shook the whole school. It shook, you know, it made a bit of noise. That morning was the first time I remember getting blown up. I was in a window in that schoolhouse, bent over to pick something up, sat back up and some asshole shot an RPG at the window. Rang my bell pretty good. They wouldn't let me sleep for like 12 hours. Robert came off post and this kid, instead of sleeping, he sat there for eight hours.
and just stared at me, making sure I was, I mean, literally just sat there staring at me, smoking cigarettes, making sure I was okay. The Robert he's talking about, that's Robert Zurheide. He'd be dead by nightfall. Zurheide was the nicest person I've ever met in my life. I don't know how he became a United States Marine. He was honestly the nicest person I've ever met by fucking night. Like, the dude just had a heart of gold. Um...
Unless you played cards. And he cheated. Like crazy. And not that good either. That shit was annoying. But...
What do you call it? Zari was funny, man. And he was like nothing you've ever met in your life. This dude around a bunch of Marines, damn well knowing what the reaction would be, would put on Backstreet Boys and do like a choreographed practice fucking dance that you would expect like the Backstreet Boys to do. So after like one hour, two hours, I don't remember exactly, one hour, two hours in the school, we went back to those positions.
Then I had a discussion with the NBC guys and I told them, listen, let's split up. I thought that, you know, like, because I think that, you know, if something's going to happen tonight or anytime, it's going to happen. That's cool. So I would like to be there.
He does a quick interview with the company commander around 5 p.m. What are the biggest challenges your men are facing here in Fallujah today? That's an easy one. The biggest challenges we're facing right now are just my men want to go into the city and attack the enemy. That's what Marines do. They're fired up. They want to go on the assault.
So I've got to hold back on the reins to keep them here, keep them from doing that until we're given permission to do so. And of course, I informed CNN headquarters in Atlanta that I will call them every two hours. And in between, I will be I had like, I don't know, four or five extra batteries, but I had no idea how long I'm going to stay there.
So I said, listen, I will not have it switched on. I will turn it on every two hours. And I mean, right before we got to rest and the incident happened, that I actually ran to go get the MREs and everything for us to eat. So, I mean, we ran out, ran down the street, hit up HQ, grabbed the MREs, came on back. I mean, just a little simple resupply. And then we went to stand two. And then, I mean, yeah, right after that,
That's when everything went down. It was getting dark around after six, after I make my phone call. It was getting dark and the school was on the top of a T-intersection. There were some cars blown up. I saw some bodies in those cars. And I noticed there were guys on that street running from one side of the street to another. And they were dropping tires.
We kept seeing guys setting up tires and they were doing what they used to do this to set up signal fires. So it helped them mortars. So as they were setting up the tires and shit, our guys were shooting one another.
So we knew when attack was coming. We could see that they were preparing for an attack. So they told us to be at stand two. I forget what time. That's usually like sunset because we were expecting a fight. So everyone was in gear. We had that going for us. Where they were putting those tires up was the same house that shot the rocket at me that morning. We wanted that house gone. We were hanging out at this picnic table that was just underneath an awning that was on the side of the foyer.
And some people were sitting down. I was standing. Shooter was standing. And Shooter had gotten a mail package. Like he'd gotten some mail with some pictures and shit. So he was showing us pictures of his family and his friend, which was Sacramento and Lake Tahoe. And earlier that day,
This is a little separate, but it's connected. Earlier that day, I was with Smith and I saw that he had Pop-Tarts. So I started begging him for some Pop-Tarts because we'd been doing this for like 10 days or whatever. You miss stupid things. And so we got done negotiating and I was like, the deal was I would give him an already freaked black and mild. Like, you know, when you pull out the inside paper of a black and mild.
And then you put it back together. I do not know. Is it like making a blunt, but like, well, it's not making a blunt. I mean, the principle is similar. Yes. But, uh, the black and miles are cheap, but they suck in taste. If you take out the inside leaf though, the taste is actually smooth as shit. It's something weird about black and miles that us poor kids figured out. Uh, so that was the deal as I would give him an already freaked black and miles.
in exchange for the Pop-Tarts. And so while we're all bullshitting, it was me, Doug Hyanga, Brad Shooter. Who was it? Costello. I think that was it. And Smith walks over and he's like, yo, Doc, he's like, where's my black and mild at? And I was like, all right, man, let me go do that. I haven't done that yet. So I'm walking away with Shooter and we're bullshitting about, we're finishing up our conversation about Tahoe.
And I left him in the center of the courtyard as we ended our conversation. And I went to walk into the fucking casualty collection point, like our, the Corman's room. And I had taken like not even two complete steps. And like, I remember seeing a flash in a corner of my eye and I looked back and the next thing I know I'm, I'm on the ground waking up. Like I blacked out, I got thrown across the room. I hit a wall and,
I was wearing my helmet, but I hit the wall head first. And fucking, yeah, I came to. It was all fucking, sorry. I'm bugging a little bit. I'm going to hit my weed. But it was like, I could see nothing. You know, it was just dust. And all I could hear was ringing. Just extreme ringing. Both my ears. And then suddenly, all of my hearing came back. Like the rush of a fucking train. It was like, oh.
And then I could hear everything. And it was just screaming. Like the worst screaming you ever heard in your life. Ahead on Taking Cover. That explosion. What was it? We thought it was an Iraqi rocket and they just got lucky with a pinhole shot.
One round. And the chaos, the scramble to help the wounded amid a massive firefight. Here's the thing.
This explosion at the schoolhouse in Fallujah, it should be in the history books as the worst marine-on-marine friendly fire incident in decades. But it isn't. It's like it was scrubbed from the record. They said he died. I never knew his name. I can't find any document. He didn't go with me. Somebody took him out. Nowhere in this fucking investigation do you see that. That's a sin. As we continue digging up parts of this story, we have to wonder...
Why did the Marine Corps keep all of this hidden for so long? Why are we the ones revealing what really happened to the very men who were there? I mean, your instincts, I think, are correct. And those questions should be answered. But the worst thing in the world to happen is to break that bond of trust between us and the public, the mothers and fathers who send their sons to war.
Taking Cover is created and reported by us, Graham Smith and Tom Bowman. Our producer is Chris Haxel. Robert Little is the editor, with help from Kamala Kelker. To hear our next episode early, sign up for Embedded Plus at plus.npr.org slash embedded, or find the Embedded channel in Apple. You'll be supporting our work, and you'll get to listen to the entire season sponsor-free. That's plus.npr.org slash embedded.
plus.npr.org slash embedded. And thanks to everyone who's already signed up and listening early. We have production help from Nick Nevis. Our music comes from Peter Duchesne, Rob Broswell, Brad Honeyman, and the Hump Muscle Rolling Circus.
Sound design by Josh Rogazin and me, with help from Nick. This episode was engineered by Josh Newell. Our researcher is Barbara Van Workum. We've had additional editorial input from Leanna Simstrom, who is the Enterprise Storytelling Unit's supervising producer. Also from the supervising editor for Embedded, Katie Simon, as well as Christopher Turpin, Andrew Sussman, and Bruce Oster.
We are also grateful for guidance and encouragement from Lisa Hagan, Chip Brantley, and Andrew Beck Grace. Edith Chapin is the acting Senior Vice President of NPR News. Irene Noguchi is the Executive Producer of NPR's Enterprise Storytelling Unit. And Anya Grundman is the Senior Vice President for Programming and Audience Development.
We'd like to thank and acknowledge Eric Kneeler and Rick Loomis, journalists who were in Fallujah during the fighting in the spring of 2004 and who shared their recordings with us, and also NPR member station KPBS and CNN. And finally, thanks to the men who shared their stories with us. In addition to those named in the episode, we heard from Jason Doody, Tony Paz, Everett Watt, John Smith, Chris Covington, and Ben Wagner. We'll be hearing more from them ahead. ♪
Taking Cover is an investigative series for The Embedded Podcast. New episodes drop every Thursday in The Embedded Podcast feed. I'm Rachel Martin. Up first, we'll be back tomorrow with all the news you need to start your week. Until then, have a great rest of your weekend.