540: Validation for Shower Jason
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From real, this is upgrade episode five hundred and forty, recorded december the second twenty twenty four. It's brought to you by delete me, smarter world and express V, P and I, M, J, and still your usual host. But i'm not doing all the stuff that usually is done by my curly because my curley is on assignment.

And so sitting in for mister Michael harley today is our very special guest, mr. Stephen hacket. Oh, I got the initial no, I wanted I want to attend you as I Stephen m. hacket. Um but that's a little bit weird now I am inspired the sorry, i'm going to make a little baseball tangier here. I apologize OK the giant s radio broadcasters uh uh john john Miller hall famer and uh a halfaya broadcaster and David flemming dave flemming is introduced by john every time as David be flemming and it's like it's as dead introducing him and that just makes me laugh. So I thought I give you these Stephen m, since sense your midst initial is part of your public persona.

but I thrown him yeah, I really tried when I first started on the internet to, like, make IT really real, like I included IT everywhere. But it's sort of fated over time. But we can't talk about baseball because we have no talk question.

Thank you about baseball. Oh, no, i'm giving, i'm giving Kevin credit for this. But many, many, many people wrote in about this.

Kevin said, what will happen to the smell family jerseys now that Blake snow is moving on to the hated dodgers? Okay, I don't have to explain what this means to you up. No, I understand my context of this. Is listening to upgrade.

okay. So they are you know you know all about IT from listening to a computer podcast about that's right baseball um yes, play skill, who was not related to me in any way, was giant for a year. He signed two year contract that was very clear, only going to be a one year contract, and he opted out at the end of the year.

During this year, we bought a lot of snail branded giants merchandise, and now he has signed as a free agent with the hated dodgers. Um this is okay. So a lot of people asked about this.

First off, I don't really care because the whole point here, i'm not really a Blake snail fan. He's great. He threw no hitter for .

the giant is so awesome. That's right. I know that from listening to the war winning up.

great indeed. Where were very a very popular baseball podcast um and the o separate, they like a very popular podcast that's also sometimes to be baseball, but they're not connected.

Um so it's a different he's fine.

he's fine. He's an interesting picture, but my prime interest in him is that he has my last name. And if if he comes to your team, there's a whole bunch of snail branded stuff that you get to buy then.

So he spent a year on the giants. IT allowed me to buy a jersey. IT allowed me to buy, buy A T shirt.

IT allowed me to buy A T shirt for my daughter. IT allowed me to buy a jersey for my wife. We all had good time because, see, our names remain snow and we remain giants fans. So it's fine, it's fine.

I'm a little bump ed up because he is a good picture that he's on the dodgers now um but at the same time, he's also a kind of injury prone and can't throw from very many innings usually. So it's a risk for the dodgers to paint them a lot of money. They're happy to do that.

So that's fine, that's fine. It's fine. What what's funny now is that my good friend greg nose, the daughter fan, he can buy some snl branded merchandise and wear that and go now and he has to do that now because he's a dodged or fan and that actually kind of delights me uh so that's good.

Also, I hear for great prime that has one of his sons works in the baseball industry and and um and IT wouldn't be amazing if he ended up working for the giants. That's i'm saying not saying that he he is but I mean, wouldn't be great if he did. I just would love that you're a loyal dodger fan your whole life.

And then you get work. You get work in the industry. You work where you need to and it's at the giants that just make me laugh.

Uh, anyway, thank you to everybody who wrote in. And I got that on social media. We didn't even mention the other huge snow news, by the way, from last week, which was on the T. V show star trek lower decks. S I am a huge star truck fan, lifelong gg star truck fan.

They go to a planet that's got all these people are that with like antena on their head and these aliens, and they have to hide out for months, they have to live there because they get get sort of stranded and the and and there is always in in when you're undercover. There's always that one snoopy uh character snickey character who's always like looking around for you um and um on the old b which T V show that was glad this cabbies the nose neighbor who is like I think there's which craft going on, everybody else thin, she's crazy. But of course there is which after going on is what the shows about anyway that guy, the sneaky snows guy in that whole episode who is used as A A joke and a punching bag.

His name is snow. so. Yeah, IT was a big snow week around the old snow household.

So vers a wild, wild um can we talk about the gift of reality? Now I think we should do that. You are a really cofounder. So you you wanted let people know the magic stuff that you might have hatched up for this holiday season yeah.

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So for upgrade, that means you get upgrade plus, which is longer. Add three episodes each and every week. I love the update. Plus segments are so good, but you also get access to the real members discord and tones of bonus content, like two monthly members only shows a news letter, some wallpaper is a bunch of call stuff and give dot come.

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we're going to talk about thanksgiving stuff. So that's right, is always something, a whole other thing. The show that happens after we say goodby, it's not like connected, Stephen, where we do IT before. We do IT after it's like after yeah it's fine connected just as very interesting because you talk about like video games and mean mgm federal will talk about video games and you cry yourself, I just show what fifteen minutes late I don't know yeah how that works yeah .

we do if we do process at the beginning and then we pick titles at the end kind of a little bit a little.

But that's true. There's the title picking at the end that last week's title wasn't all time classic IT was in how nonsensical IT is and how much my craft when he saw as a title suggestion that was that was a really good one. Um and i'll also point out that in your um your list of uh scenarios in which you might give the gift of really I like how they got increasingly less likely as you went along, I was waiting for the light. Let's say you're in space and okay, what will happen then anyway lots of ways to give the gift of relate or have some this to you.

Rss cannot be held back by the bounds of gravity. No poor .

probability. Quite Frankly, it's not powerful.

R, S is, define gravity. Should we do some follow?

That was was A A wicked, that was a wicked reference. You are remaking that. We were flying gravity for a moment, a follow .

up .

before, uh, you want, you want to hand follow people you want.

This is weird, like we did you ah yeah, I can to follow OK out to follow up so right, apple watch plus emergency call so you're were talking about like going for a run, leaving your phone behind, something I know that you do quite and A A gradient dog wrote in, isn't at the case with the sale apple watch that you can call emergency services even if you don't pay a monthly fee to your luar provider. So IT doing some homework for this. I'll tell you it's actually kind of confusing, but apple says that emergency S O S requires a samual connection on the apple watch or wifi calling with an internet connection rate from a nearby iphone.

So I think I know what this is is referring to. So legally, in the us, at least I can speak for other countries. But in the us, legally, if you have a device that has a cellular radio emit, IT needs to be able to call nine one one essentially, right? Even if I mean, basically even if it's not doesn't have an active plan on IT.

But the real reason that, that law is there is so if you're in the area like my house, honest lay, my house is like this where you have horizon and you come to my house, guess what? You're not getting a signal at my house. My house has never ized in your team mobile and only has A N T.

Uh and you have to walk like down the block and then the horizon and shows up. So if you're in a place or you're just that wood somewhere, but there is one cell tower, so it's not you don't have to go to satellite. You don't to fall back to satellite and this is the difference if you if you're looking at your phone and this says atn t you're like, go i'm and then you go out further into the woods.

And IT says, emergency SOS, but IT doesn't say satellite and then you go further out into the woods. And this shows the satellite that interim step IT can see a cell t tower. IT just can't see your cell tower. And by law, if you need to call on one one, the fact that you're not A T mob subscriber is not onna. Get in the way of saving your life, right?

IT IT will rome to A T and t to make the effective. So what I don't know .

is so the apple watch absolutely has to do that. I think legally, you have to able to make an emergency call from a cellar apple watch even if you don't have a plan. Here's the thing.

No, i'm not sure whether if you fall and you have the automatic fall detection, do I need to call for help thing if IT calls nine one one in that case or not, I don't know, because that's a specific feature of fall detection. I would hope that I would, but I honestly don't know. And the reason I mentioned this in the scenario is not everything is a nine one one call.

I guess, you know, when I fell, I fell and bruise my ribs while running a couple years ago. And like, I didn't call nine one one, I called my wife and I said, I felt I breathe my ribs. I I think that's all IT is I can walk.

I didn't hit my head. I want to let you know, but i'm just gonna walk home and go to the E R. And that's what I did.

So that's that's A A call that you want to be able to make, which is why I feel like if you're going to have a sillar apple, what you should probably put IT on your plan. That's not a nine one one call. But I think it's true that uh, maybe somebody can write in will have future follow up about this.

Nothing I follow up about, follow up about that. The best is finally aged follow up times too. But um I don't know whether the uh fall detection turns or not.

Yeah, apple's documentation is a little confusing there. You when I experienced the you've been in a car accident in your devices corner and one like my phone, I watched with me and the watch was like going off. I sits on your person, and if you, the car class detection like IT tries to get your attention, and you Better like, stop IT from calling, right?

Yeah, that which I had to do when I felt, when I was turning, I had to say, no, no, no, please. Well, actually was a moment of like, well, I didn't hit my head so i'm going to say notice of this because I am conscious and I I understand what's going on and but yeah, others SE the trigger.

I don't know. These are all like weirdly overlapping features and that's even before you get to like the satellite stuff.

right? Because that's my other question is if you take a big fall with your iphone when you're in satellite land, does IT do an emergency satellite transmission, then I don't know that does. Yeah, you would have to hold you up to the sky so you probably can if they all overlap in weird, in weird ways.

Um but it's um it's complate gave a job in our chat room is just pasted in the apple support link with the one word description complicated it's complicated. Is the answer here? Yeah just like a ever .

of inside you know .

but it's good to come on is .

like they go by you know .

the people on the youtube versions al see me um give you a look. I'm just gonna IT go by though um yeah anyway so so that's the that's the deal here is, yes, if you buy a solution apple watch and don't put a plan on IT and you're somewhere and you need help, you will be able to call emergency services at least in the U S. And probably in a bunch of all the country that have these rules, that's IT just emergency services.

You can place an emergency phone call to your mom that is not allowed. That's that you get around. You can.

Can I make a collect call to my mama? No, you can call nine one one. That's all you can do in at least in the U S. That's how works um but but it's a good point the dog mentions and I think it's worth people knowing that that's what that in A M S O S only emergency only mode means. It's like just because you don't have self signal doesn't an you can call for help if you need help.

right?

The answer just don't fall down due to can that is my advice. My best advice is a don't fall down.

We're not doctors, but that seems good. A I wanted to see, can chicken with you ever te this piece um you all spoke about at the map is the model. How is response been to that? That pieces have been in the world now, like I know couple weeks, ten days or something. How has that been?

I think it's actually been Better than I thought. I think anytime you are in the business of writing about and having opinions about apple, you know this criticizing apple will always get people who will come out of the woodwork to say, but no, apple is great.

Everything apple does is fine, right? Like there are people who really or uh you know, they want they only want people to be cheerleaders for apple, which you know i've never really been like. I I I feel like I advocate for the users, not for the company.

The company has got a lot of money and I dos need my help um but is more positive than I thought. I mean, there was definitely some pushed ed back from some people. I think maybe one of the reasons that was muted is that the whole point of how I wrote the article was to say apple itself has solved this problem.

And so apple has its own solution that had built from the mac. So I that I feel like me they're harder to make the argument that it's impossible for apple to do this because apple literally did IT. That was my whole point.

I've definitely heard from people though, like I understand the push back that i've gotten that I expected, but I think is more nuanced is people saying, but I like apple being in complete control of the platform, right? Like that's basically the the comment that I thought is I think the most interesting is i'd like IT here. I like IT in the world garden.

I like apple having all the payment systems. I like, I like all of that. And I understand that my problem with that is my argument is that you don't have to change unless you want to, but also that that you may not even know some of the things are missing because apple has complete control over the entire market, right? Yeah, there are things there are there are apps.

There are uh, APP experiences. There are website links that can't be made. And so you don't even know what the experience would be.

I guess I got a version of that was the but android already does this, so why? And my answer there is i'm an IOS user and telling me to leave the platform that I like because I don't like your policy like that. I mean, okay, but that's not my point.

My point is that all computing platforms should have some level of the owner of the product being able to install software on IT, not the other way. Not having the the uh the maker of the product dictate what goes on that that computer essentially that can run arbitrary parties offer. Plus there's the issue of and we know a lot of these people, people who have invested their knowledge and skill set into developing for apple platforms.

And you could say, well, that was their mistake. Like, okay, but you know a lot of them came from the mac, but they're also on IOS. And I would argue there are a large portion of the reason that the iphone was successful, right, because they're the ones to develop dabbs in the APP store and they are captives because you can't take your IOS up and running up on the android, you can it's not the same skill set.

It's not the same language, is not the same as and so they're kind of trapped. And yeah, it's easy to say, well, just reeducate and become a job of developer and go right android apps where there is no market for IT anyway or just suck IT up and make your money from apple. We'll take fifteen or thirty percent and deal with IT but like that, my point is those are those are people saying, yeah, just take what you can get instead of me trying to be a little idealistic here and say it's wrong, it's wrong that and that was my point so not not as voser heras feedback as I thought I would get, even though it's definitely out there.

I think also speaks to the overall feelings in the community about the apple store, right? Like apples, just they've lost so much good will over these issues, and it's their own fault, right?

Yeah, yeah, I could IT right. Like they could exert. This is the thing that I think a lot of us feel is they could have exerted an an amount of control and skim an amount of money out of the APP store while addressing more of the issues that really set people off.

And I would have been fine. This is the whole argument of like, well, why don't they want to compete? Because I think they could compete really strongly. And the answer is because it's Better to just not compete even to be a strong competitor who would cake the lion and share of the revenue from the market. The lion share isn't all of IT, which is sort of what they want to do.

But that the point that I thought the point about like I don't wanted to be complicated like I get IT, but that is sort of my point about the mac model is, you know by default, you can't run unsigned software on the mac. You have to go through lots of hoops to get there, and an administrator or a user can set IT to only run from the mac APP store, which I would assume in any circumstances probably be the default on any future version of BIOS. I don't think that would be particularly different. But um you know IT IT frustrated to me but I understand IT when people sort of say but I don't want IT so IT shouldn't happen because the point is um other people might want IT and and I don't love IT when people say, well, i'm OK so IT doesn't matter what other people feel like. That's not a great impulse.

Yes, if they open IT up, it's just an option, right? You you're not yeah like with the mac, right? Going going back to the mac is the model. If you want to live just within the mac APP store, you can now it's not a perfect analogy because um there is a lot of software on the map is not available in the mac APP store. But again, option a lots of actually but yeah I just I love the piece. I really thought about IT a lot and just wanted to come to, can I see how I was because, you know, sometimes that feels like these sorts of topics are potentially spicy.

Yeah, yeah. And I was, I mean, I had that moment where I was thinking about IT and I got frustrated. I was like, I got a right this some time and then when I was writing, well, I I believe this I believe that it's sort of fundamentally that if we buy thousand dollar plus computing devices, we should be be able to put software on them and that if you somebody was a skill set writing software, um you shouldn't be at the wims and under the complete control of the platform owner. I just feels wrong.

And I know that that's a weird squshy emotional and moral argument, but I do really legitimately believe that that that IT just IT feels wrong, like not leaving the business model stuff aside, IT just feels wrong for for that to be the case that this is I don't believe the computers and phones and ipads are computers should be entirely closed platforms in that are dictated by the the company that makes the O S. I just I think that that is wrong. And of course, what's going to happen is apple is not going to say, you're right, I apologize.

We will change our business model. What's going to happen is what is already starting to happen in the eu, which is, uh, regulators that will say, no, you can do is this way. And the the good news here, I guess in a way, is that apple has already built this other model and they have already using now the bad news is I mentioned um I mentioned notarization in the peace and mentioned that there was one example of apple using kind of notarization as a weapon in the E.

U. yes. And and the very week I wrote that there were then some new cases where apple use noticias ation as a weapon in the eu. I mean, i'm not a european lawyer again, but interesting feels to me like they are not gonna be able to make that work because what they basically said, as we created a new open system called notarization, and while that involves us approving everything, we're not use IT for evil.

And then immediately they said, oh, but we don't like this APP so IT IT won't be notified by us, which is defacto a APP store outside the APP store. I I can't see how the uh the european commission will ever allow that kind of behavior。 IT seems to be in complete opposition to the whole idea, so we'll see. But what really bothers me is IT tarnish es the mac model because what IT suggests is that that second ring of of software, which is checked by apple and signed by apple, is going to be used as the first ring as as an approval system for apps that apple doesn't like, not to protect users, but because apple is just decided they don't want IT. The example that i've given a couple of times is if if apple, if third party apps could run outside of the APP store, we'd have mac s um running on ipad because all the emulators would appear and you'd be able to run linux and you'd able to run windows and presumably at that point you'd be .

able to run neck away yeah just .

right there sense is literally the same hardwork you would be able to do that. And I am pretty sure that's why you can, is because apple doesn't want to do that. And the apple, once they either the option to do with themselves or they have nobody do IT like, I think that that's the motivator.

But I really don't like the idea that even in a system that was open, like in the eu, where there is theoretically the other pathway, if you tried to submit the m where uh or parallel for ipad to uh to motorize to get into A A marketplace in the eu, I feel like apple would just refuse to notice ze IT. And that's not great, right? Like that's completely contrary.

So I don't know. I think in the end that at least a large portion of this is going to come to pass because I just don't think I don't think regulators in many parts of the world at least, will do IT. And the only question is, will the regulators will IT be enough of A A fragmentation that apple just says, okay, we give up like we don't want to have to completely different models.

For what we do worldwide, we're going to just build this single model. But I don't know. I am not going to get my hopes up.

No, neither. You know, I can get my hopes up about there. Oh.

that's a great segway. Is IT the upgrades?

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Like, yeah, I pushed him on this and was like, oh, you could do a short cut oh, there's a python script like, no, no. When I finally, I wrapped python on script inside the shortcut and sent IT to him and then he saw IT running and he's like, oh, okay, yes and now he loves IT. It's the best thing ever, but anyway, so he will compile, but we want your suggestions.

IT will guide us. We make the final decisions. Sometimes we go with what the upgrade ents want. Sometimes we use that and keep IT under advisement.

Sometimes IT breaks ties, and sometimes that makes us go do our own research about a these apps that we've never heard of. And why is everybody raving about this APP that i've never heard that we go check IT out and it's awesome. So that's great to lots of great reasons to do IT.

You want to fill out every form, every item in the form. If you don't want to, it's fine. But like, we want to hear from you and we want to know what you'd like to this year, basically, and what what you are liking.

So go to upgrades dot com, a sorry upgrades. That vote will be where you can vote. And upgrade is dot com will show you all of the previous winners and you've got ten uh, a few more days. You've got a eleven more days, so a little more than a week.

But again, don't leave IT to the last minute upgrades dot vote and the official upgrade this program will be we're going to record IT and released in on december thirty at right at the end of the year. That'll be our big happy new year celebration favorite stuff. Nice to go out on a positive note.

I think IT is yeah like and you know, connected has won two favorite podcast awards, won away from a lifetime achievement. Just put that out there. Yeah even though .

one houses on upgrade, somehow that happened. He refuses himself sort of. But I I like, I like connected end up great.

I hope never get posed. By the way, people should vote for upgrade as favorite podcast because we're listening upgrade right now. Come on, people.

I was like a one of greatest third on the list of favorite podcast is just it's just like seeing i've been seeing all of these overcast shares of people's podcast listening and the ones that make me off for if so many of them are like A T P. And then maybe the talk show. And i'm like it's up there and like upgrades in there.

It's not up at the top for most of them, but it's like it's in there. We appreciate that. I do not need to be number one here.

It's fine, fine. It's fine. A D, P, got in a home court advantage. Really I mean, really that is that what it's podcast by the person who makes the podcast APP, that is about as good as talk about your add mages, apple would kill for that a damage.

Vertical integration, I think, is what they.

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what are you as the question, Jason? Oh.

the iphone seventeen might not be losing titanium IT IT could be.

So there's been this back and forth in the rumors, which really my favorite is is a good to rumor. People are fighting each other. It's like an a anger man, you know sure.

And then mark gare comes in with a trident, goes everybody yeah exactly. There's really one off the rails quickly. Um so yes.

So the question is the iphone seventeen pro and seventeen pro max, will they feature titanium just like the fifteen and sixteen pro line? And I think it's really interesting. I love the titanium.

I think that obviously wingless is good. I like that is not a smugly like the stainless steel was. But I just wonder.

like do people care about this? I I don't I think I don't think they do. It's a good point.

So I I am got a couple here. Welcome to our new segment. I'd like to call titanium thoughts.

I thoughts.

I got a titanium phone. I treat myself to a not titanium for titta ia watch.

So the higher the more expensive watch because I was like, you know what I birthdays and an university and stuff and I buy like presence goran and sometimes it's jewelery and I don't really wear jewelry to speak of um at least you know not at the level where i'm you know by hearing ing you're by earrings, by ring, by a necklace like it's it's nice but i'm not into that and I thought, well, what is the equivalent? What could I ask for? And I was I thought, you know, i'm going to treat myself to a nicer apple watch and I got the black titanium apple watch.

Now I have the series ten and it's the black aluminum series ten. And Stephen, I could not tell the difference if you asked me between aluminum and titanium. It's all mental.

I mean, IT was really nice, but this one is really nice to and yeah and and this is the thing about the the iphone. Like, I like the idea of a letter frame. I like the idea of a letter, letter, phone letter.

Watch all this. Like, great. And maybe somebody out there can say, oh, yes, but but you don't understand. And IT was like the stainless steel was heavy as the problem, not the the aluminum and titanium are both pretty light. Stanley deal was very heavy.

So if they go to a woman and still titania, I don't think to make that much of a difference. I do think that apple brilliantly used titanium for at least two years as a major differentiator on products that didn't change very much, right? I mean, like I see all those ads like the A T N T add where where the the A T N T lady is like is the new iphone .

with titanium?

Who cares? Is right? Like but I think that was pretty effective as as just it's different and doesn't IT sound cool.

And so I am fine. But in some ways they were really saying not heavy, like stainless. So you know, I don't know, I don't know. What do you think .

I think the visual sort of material difference maybe makes more the difference in other markets than the U. S, right? We talk about this, uh, a lot when the phone changes shape or design. It'll have kind of a big year in china other markets because that's valued more highly than IT is here, which find really interesting.

Um but I think speaking at the american market, I agree with you the way like moving from stainless steel was the big change and IT is remarkable if you pick up A A stainless steel phone like IT really does feel heaven ier. But most people enough slap in the phones in cases so that they never see those rails. They don't really care what the smugness ss may be the way some of us do.

Um and so you know I think if they were to go to aluminium on the pro phones, like I don't think it's that um I don't think it's that big of a deal. You know I think people would IT would be a cycle, right? And then they would just still sell a vigilant an phones yeah.

I I think especially if their other design changes, they'll use those to sell them. And if it's lumm, they'll just say later. And I don't think there are going to a lot of people feel like i'm so betrayed that there is no titanium right, right, right, tightly.

I that would probably be like a handful of super titanium fans. We're like, how dare you? I only buy things made of titanium, but otherwise I think an aluminum frame is fine.

I think it's funny because this is a style issue too, right? It's like apple felt like aluminum was a light, but you know kind of boring and that the stainless IT was like, no stainless, it's surgical. Stainless deal is beautiful and heavy and wait and and and that was like a selling point.

And there are like it's too heavy. Titanium is Better and they put that on there is really yeah like you said, it's a cycle, it's fashion, it's um there's no one right answer. So they they keep kind of moving around as they as they need to or as they feel they need to. And I think that's okay.

Yeah, I think people buy the proponent for the cameras, right? That's that's why people upgrade maybe the screen. But I think mostly the cameras and as much as I like titanium and I I really like this phone and the phone right before, like I wanna a big deal to me if they .

went to aluminum and IT would make .

the colors or conversation even more awkward, you know but that's fine yeah I mean.

I don't know. I feel like in the colors on anything now, but certainly on aluminum, we know that they can and they're good at IT. And it's it's affordable and light and it's a great material, right? So they should do whatever they need to do.

I think I think it's interesting to say to wonder, what do the people who design the iphone and the materials used in IT think about the style choices, right? Because like if they had their brothers and they didn't care about selling titanium or stainless, would they always use aluminum? And where those directive sort of let's let's shake IT up? Or were they bottom up where they're like we want to try titanium? And the exactly like, yeah, let's do IT we can market that? I don't know.

I would like to believe that it's the engineer sort of saying why don't we try a different material. But I do wonder if it's actually you know them being kind of provided by people to say, well, why don't we try this everything? Why don't we try another material? Because you know the fact is it's not just the utilitarian and block.

It's IT is a uh device that need to be marketed and IT has a fashion element to IT and that's part of the design to is that the designers who say, you know, let's do titania this year and the engineers are like, okay, we can do that. I I don't know what the push paul is there and that the engineers had their brothers, they were just always use aluminum or whatever. I I honestly .

don't know yeah well and this year, notably, they are using aluminum inside the phone yeah for the Better heat dissipation. That was an issue with the the fifteen pro yeah it's it's super interesting. I'm sure there's always that tension between people making the devices and the people selling the devices is also interesting at the apple watch, right staying the deal.

The beginning was the nice material once they got rid of the gold like we don't talk about that one. Um and then they moved titanium and now it's alumina titania. I think the steel is still avant on the ms.

watch. But you know they've they've moved away from steel there. And I can tell you on the apple watch, I made a huge White difference because I was stainless steel watch for years and then went to the titanium whenever that was the series. Oh.

sex for seven or seven. Yeah, laun had a her first apple watch was staying. Listen again. IT was sort of me being nice, but then he went to the aluminum is like, it's so much later. Yeah, IT was sales was nice and all. But like the aluminum one is that I think that apple's problem is that the truth is that the on the apple watch, the aluminum is the best. It's just the best because it's so light.

I think the only little like nimble I have with that is that the aluminium gets the iron glass and you get safe fire with the micrometer. And the F, R.

Displays do hold up. Yeah, I agree. But they could like there's nothing in them for making aluminum on all the abril watch models with the icr glass, right? And or the higher in model of aluminum comes with the nicer glass.

They have decided to differentiate based on metal. But H, I guess what i'm saying is they could just all be aluminum, and that probably would be fine. Except the reason I bought a titania apple watch is like I wanted to treat myself and get something nicer and I was nice.

But aluminum is nice. And i'm not sure there's much difference in between them, at least for me there isn't. So let's see how my serious ten holds up.

Good, doing great. So far, I like a IT nice. I went through I went like three years without apple watch update.

And um so for me know it's it's so much senner and I I actually I can see how much than IT is, just it's not bulging above my risk like the old sensor did. It's really nice and it's yeah and I got the black aluminium. So it's all shiny.

And so the shininess matches the shininess of the glass, and it's a really good look. So unlike IT, I got this watched in memphis. You did you? Oh my.

T I did I? A good times, good times and a good times. All right, I wanted to uh, talk. Uh I was thankful ving last week.

And um what happens I think for a lot of our listeners and for us is when you visit with family, you also do trouble shooting for family. I have a trouble shooting story that I want to tell them and i'm curious if you've got any two. My here's my father in last at me email last week.

I was like, Jason, when you're done here, if you don't mind taking time away from your vacation, I have some technical questions for you. Of course, I will help you with your things on friday. I'm thinking, well, today's the day we're going to do the technical i'm literally sitting at the at the kitchen table we just got there.

I'm drink some tea and L A walks in and says, um he's just gotten back and this is what he is. I'm drinking tea. He's just gotten back from a bike ride.

He walks and he still got his like yellow bike jacket on, like visibility jacket. And i'm thinking he's gona, you know, take off a stuff and and maybe take a shower, do what whatever needs to do, and then maybe will do the trouble shooting. He immediately walked up to me and says, Jason, to have time now to do the trouble shooting.

And like, well, first, if you ve got to know my father in law, this is exactly like him, which is like, he's GTA listen in his head and he he waited on thanksgiving. He's like, i'm not going to ask him on thanksgiving we agreed. We talk about IT on friday, but literally the first second he sees me on on, on friday he's just, Jason.

let's go yeah .

so there are the three or three things, and I just want to say them because I think it's fascinating just it's fascinating to see, you know, we set people up and then we walk away and then we're gone for a long time and then you come back and you like what that is, that community, jeff, where pre brings the pizza and everything's on fire. And I was just here.

What is happening here? What did you do? So one of these, I, I, I, I put them in our show notes.

What are you the first one? What is my first? What is my .

first item? Do you see IT?

It's all tell you what that is. You can guess to password, any two password.

Uh, does that mean two factor? no. Oh.

if only I did, if only I did two password means that my, my father and lost complaint was I used to be able to auto fill passwords and click on open site in one password. And I would auto to fill the password. And now IT doesn't.

Can you fix this? And what I discovered when I went to his applications folder is that his applications folder contained one password, seven and one password. They were both open in the docks are two versions of one password o and they were like five one password IP like back up files of the APP in that folder too.

And I like, wow, wow, wow. This is too many one passwords. Um so I and something about like yeah but on my I use the the he's basic he's using his one password cloud password on his mac, but he's using his old volt password on his iphone and he felt like that I don't know what the rational is here.

So I I deleted all the old one passwords, making sure that the whole volt was thinking in the, in the cloud, in all of that, for the, for the actual current version of one password, heney's phone, two versions of one password, his phone, too. So we deleted one password. seven.

You opened up one past or day I made your auto film was on, and all the places his behavior is facing. And I didn't understand this, but this is a thing you can do. He goes to secure sites by opening that sites in one password and click open right.

And then IT opens the browser and auto fills the password, which I find bizarre, but it's supported. It's a thing you can do one password. So two password, he had too many one passwords.

It's so much. And and his pastor, oh you everything his pasture is incredibly detailed as you might expect, because you don't want to steal the walk of a retired person. I mean, he's guys ancient stuff and all that.

I get IT. So he's put IT under a very difficult password and we get to the phone and my, well, I won. Be so about on the phone. You won't have to pack IT in on the software keyboard because you use face I, D, and he doesn't use face I T and he said, why isn't you use face IT? He said, I just that I don't want to do what I like like having a password.

okay? I mean, you're the one, you're the one closer to the end of your life who is spending a minute typing in a very complicated password every time you went to open one password on your your choice, see your choice. I'm going to a let that one go anyway, two passwords to two password.

He also said I had this thing where went on clicking on menu items or things in the interface that IT doesn't click. I said, what? What does he do? He says, well, IT will bring up.

Usually I will bring up like a, like A A menu or something, but IT doesn't click thinking, well, that's the old click, that's control click or right class. And he's using an apple mouse. And I investigated, and here's the best I can guess.

I don't know this for certain, but here's the best I can guess. And this is this, this is this whole computer mystery solver thing that I think a lot technical people have to do. And and some of that is really intuition IT, is that we've seen so many things.

It's like my story about the guy, the apple store, who when I was completely destroyed, about my max duty, he was like, I think I know what this is. And within, like ten minutes, we we solved IT because he'd seen in a million times and he could see the pattern, whereas couldn't see the pattern, because I had not really happened any before. So I showed him, me except, or the mouse setting, where you can actually say, don't use the right side of the mouse as an old click.

But I asked him, and he does seem to use the right click from time to time. So in the end, much to my surprise, my solution to his mouth problem was behavioral. I said, I think what's happening is, as you're using the mouse slowly, your hand is creeping to the right and the mouse is getting a little tilted.

And then when you click, you're clicking with your index finger, whatever that you think is gone to be a left click, but you're actually over on the other side and it's a right click or maybe it's right in the middle and it's not registering at all. And so when you have this thing again, look at your hand and maybe reposition and maybe that will solve IT. I don't know one hundred percent, but I think that's what's going on.

And I told them, if this continues to be a problem, turn off the right click in the mouse settings, and just use control click when you need to bring up a menu so we will see what happens with that. But I was fascinated like I think you just holding IT wrong. It's literally what IT is, is you just you're just not paying attention and i'm not a mouse user, so I really don't know. But that's my best guess is that his thinker is just kind of going right word until he's right. He's left clicking on the right .

side yeah as carl points out in discord like kudos that he's using a password manager at all. He's arty really ahead of the car. yeah. He asked me .

about that at one point and I said you should use one password and and one thing I would give my father a lot great credit for is if I if I basically say, here's a thing and you have to pay for IT, but IT solves your problem. He's like, I have i've already bought IT now, right? Like he's instantly bought IT.

He he has no fear of that like, I, if I say this will solve your problem is like, great. Where do I buy IT? And and he's been using IT faithfully like I said apparently to at the time but faithful ly, so um yeah also I should say the dynamic in this house is hilarious because my mother in law has a macbook here and my father in law has a um an imac.

It's an intel imac and a on a desk is a beautiful desk. I think it's an uplift uh like bamboo top. It's gorgeous.

It's great. Um long and and got turn around. It's got bunch of papers on, but like it's IMAX. So he's a test type user.

That's how he he wants to use IT and then and he does not want to use a desktop at all. He wants to use uh laptop I think is an interesting a split between them anyway. The um the last one is spam in .

his email. Yeah that won't .

be tRicky. So this this one, what I found is that he was he was saying, I get these emails and I block the center, but they keep sending me email. And I said that there's a few things going on here.

I said, first off, if it's truly spam blocking, the center will do nothing because they will send from another randomized email address. So never blocking center is not the solution. You block a center of its like a person who's bad.

So the first thing you've got to do is you've got to send IT to junk. Send IT to your junk male and an apple male junk filtering was on um but he he wasn't training IT and and he was still getting the subway said, okay, step one, send us to junk male. Step two, if IT feels like it's a legitimate mAiling list that you just don't want to be on, uh, apple ml puts a unsubscribe button at the top, just click the unsubscribe.

But he is, well, what if it's A A spammer is said, well, the worst thing that happens is that they see that you're alive and they, uh and they they send you more spam. But most spammers don't really do the unsubscribe thing. And I like, but like if it's a company that you've had some dealing within the past, never want to hear from again, just click on subscribe, but otherwise add you add them to junk that trains the junk in her face and your life will be uh, Better for IT.

So I just thought I was really interesting that he had decided block center was the right way to deal with spammers um and is not and then he said, of course, but I still get what do I do when I am on my iphone like, well, here's the thing apples decided that spam doesn't happen on the iphone. So there is no junk mill interface at all yeah and he's not using gmail or eyes cloud male. He's using male from his internet .

provider cox.

So OK, that's what I sorry, can can be done. Yeah yeah. I may.

I use gmail for everything, and I going to track IT in the junk folder. And then IT IT learns and actually have, why do I even use males in my stream? I don't have any like client side sitting and little have .

gmail and I have sino x form responsible and and so I use mainstream and they are doing all that filtering for me, which is great right um but if you are you know and and that also means that on my phone is also filtered even though i'm using apple mail on my phone IT doesn't matter because the spam filtering is happening regardless.

And I will in most of my training that I do is that I get all I get on all these garbage mAiling less, I think because i'm. And i'm circulating in some press list and or or podcast. You get this, i'm sure it's the hello podcast.

I can make you a more successful podcast. Please get in touch and those are going the same black hole and ever hear you goodbye. So yeah yeah so so do you .

you have .

any recent trouble shooting things? Oh I I should mention you are the in addition to being the coast to connected cost of mac power users and um and you have a you have a trouble shooting at the site coming up.

That true we do. Uh, sunday's episode will be about this, uh, in hand sight published, done that before thanksgiving in america. But we missed that. I got up before .

the big holidays, december. So that's good. Is a lot of holidays, december. So there be a lot of rather it's Christmas, honey or anything else yeah um so you're onna be able to get people before the the more extended I would say thanksgiving is sometimes so fast like I was an orange county and I didn't get to see your M P U cohoes David Sparks because I literally had no time that was not the IT sort of two days of intense family time and then that was IT Christmas often is you really do have that time unless you're unless your father in law is such a go getter that he is like, Jason. Now let's do IT uh, you may need to need to like so it's I think it's still good to have this is a good time to do the trouble shooting episode.

Yeah so sunday we're talking about eyes cloud, iphone stores, base backup, PS printing, bad wifi, that's sort of thing. Ah what I noticed over thanksgiving and really just kind of engineering like I have family members who want who asked me about A I because they either have heard the buz words or they seen the apple commercials with the apple intelligence, which as we have talked about, not a great add because that's just not really out.

And and that I think is is gonna be something that a lot of you know people like us gradient. We're gona face that in the holiday season of you know our and nuckles whoever asking is about these things and some people have some pretty wild ideas about what is possible or what's coming. And IT could .

be difficult to have nuts.

And some of those conversations, like when I sort of realized that this was happening, was a extended family member who is kind of a tech bro like he works at the start, he has a startup and he wears a western drives a uh tesla um typical typical asking very he was very excited about AI. I wanted know like what things I thought I would revolutionize.

And my answer was like, I think for most people, like some of the writing told not be interesting. And then my big thing is like, I don't think society is ready for anyone in the world to make A I generated images. And you know apple has sort of but had a soft ball with IT because their styles, their styles are very cartoony are very hand drawn.

You're not making photo realistic itself with apple's tools. I think that that is them trying to avoid these issues while still having the future. But you can go ask any number of things to make of a life like image of anybody.

And there are pretty good at this point. And I don't think we're ready for that. I don't think people are ready for that. And you know here's like, yeah no but it's gona like, you know cure diseases or whatever yeah that may also be true, but i'm more worried about my fail members on facebook singing images this night true not accurate. And i've already seen IT like i've seen IT unfold already on social media and I think we've got i'll be prepared answer these .

questions yeah I mean how yeah it's like how do we talk to your kids about the birds and the bees? How do we talk to your uncle about A I features and and I tech road cousin in your family about about I I mean my stock line about eye along has been it's overhyped and also could be huge, right? Like it's I think it's both.

And I think we don't entirely know exactly what parts are going to be huge. And I think it's interesting to see the stories that suggests that they are running into problems, building Better models. And the height train is so hard that it's actually really hard to tell whether that's the backlash speaking.

Certainly, if you're in an AI company and you're running into problems, you would deny IT, right? You would be like, no, no, no, I need my stock options. I know we're great.

We're great. Our company is great. So it's actually kind of hard to tell. But IT is possible that there's going to be a correction where people realized that, that right now we're in the um what doesn't do face where it's like AI is the solution to all of lives problems.

And you know what? It's not I think I can give you one hundred percent guarantee that it's not that all of the things that people claim A I can do will not be things that I can do. Some of them may, right? I think some of them will, but not all of them.

And that's gonna lead to some bumps. Some companies that are driven by A I are going to be like, oh, yeah, we can do that and they're to some of we're going to go out of business. They're going to spend a lot of money.

Now assuming this is going to be a big payoff and there going to discover that there isn't a big payoff and they'll be a consolidation actually, wonder if that will ultimately be a validation to apples like apple didn't do IT on purpose. IT wasn't a strategy to get behind on A I. They were caught flat footed. But IT may be a benefit to them because they may be late enough to the party that they can choose useful investments Better than some companies have done. I don't know.

Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about IT through that lands, but yeah.

that could definitely be how they may look out basically that they're like a well, our art model. You are small models running on devices that don't cost us a lot in terms of these huge data centres. And we're focusing on, you know summarizing and writing tools and some automation like user automation, I think, is a potentially huge place where this stuff could be successful.

That's why i'm excited about the abundance in the personal context and being able to you know, I love you user automation, but even at the shortcuts level, it's a way too complicated for people. And if people could say, hey, assistant, i'd like to do this thing yeah and have IT know that you could grab from this up and take and here and transform IT in this way and then put IT into this happen, all of that without you actually having to think like a programmer. I think that I think that's awesome, but we will see. I mean, apple is behind on this stuff but maybe well, maybe i'll dodged a ballet, I don't know um related to this, I my spider sent one off while listening to connected last week. I'm in the shower because i've listened to pockets in the shower when i'm walking the dog.

Don't be creepy is just how IT is I have two places that I can really reliably listen the podcast when i'm not driving back in forest to L A in which case wow, we listen to a lot of podcast but um for this living connected in the shower yesterday and your talking about your apple watch battery issues and you say, well, I think I might be at a fast tragic I think maybe which I I immediately thought I could be that so you are to back up you and your wife both simultaneously started having battery issues with your apple watches, which is deeply suspicious, right? That's like it's gotto be something that's happening on both devices. And all of the things we can isolate are there was probably a software update at some point that hit both your devices all right.

okay. Um you change the the charges and although that doesn't seem like IT would make any difference and I don't think you you're suggested that maybe fast charging an apple watch battery just nukes IT right IT makes IT worse. I do wonder if apples charging algorithm on the apple watch charging firm where might like handle charging from the fast charge different and might take IT at the at the top differently and might even display the battery status differently.

And I I wonder if it's one of those things where you're using the fast charger to charge is fast, but IT doesn't charges completely and you end up with a little less batter. You think it's full, but it's not. I had that thought, but the thing that made me literally stick my head out of the shower, pick up my phone and send you a text from the shower, which I did because I didn't want to forget IT, because, you know, then the conversations going to go on and i'm going to miss i'm going to forget IT, was you changed your wifi and you went two wifi, uh, ubiquity wifi base stations.

And I just IT was, again, it's probably not IT, but I was doing that pattern recognition thing that happens when you're a technology person and you're trying to troubleshoot, which was is IT possible that even though the wifi is perfectly fine for your laptops and your phones, if it's just weak enough in the places where you wear your watch, that IT has to ramp up the wifi or in order to get on your wifi network and or IT doesn't see one of them, sees the far away one and it's expanding enough power that is pulling more from your battery and it's invisible to you because you're still on the wifi. A little like how if you're in a bad cell reception area, your phone will get hot because he has to really crank up the power in order, get anything on the on the receiving end. So that was enough of an idea that you didn't mention that I I so sorry, I sent you protect from the shower. IT happens.

Yeah, no. IT was good. And some connective listeners had also say, OK, you know, this happened .

when you are your wife.

will will need swap from from era to to unify. And if IT was, not only the the battery life was bad, but also our watches would drop, basically drop off the network, so they would be disconnected from our phones. And I think that also was like cycling into the battery thing, like I don't know what to do.

My phone has gone and I spend some time this weekend doing some some looking around, some searching in came of cause a couple posts, none of them super recent, but people having similar issues with unify. And so I made a couple of changes to the network just and honestly, Jason, some of them I don't understand. It's like, oh, change this sort of. Hand off to this other kind of hand off that video.

And I had a ubiquity router for a while at the only ubiquity product i've had. But IT was one of those things are like, I don't know what any of this stuff means. I'll just check some boxes but but that's one of the things you can do is like if I check this box, what happens if I you know it's a one level above? Turn that off and back on again.

By the way, I I should mention my father in law. He did have another problem later in the day. Where is like Jason? I click open to open this email and IT opened with a blank.

nothing. And I tried. I did command Q. I like, well, it's quit in a relente mail and I did command q and nothing happened and I thought, let's restart your mac and then IT always fine after that.

It's like you've got to go through the steps. You've got to go through tear one trouble shooting, which is, did you try to turn off and back on again and then get there? But like for networking, I mean, that's that's what you even if you don't know anything, that's what you do is like maybe D H C P lesa should be longer.

Maybe they should be shorter. Maybe this weird repeat thing should be on if it's off. Well, I don't know.

Yeah yeah. So I changed a couple of settings and then last night came across A A more recent thread that people having issues with this if six digger hurts was turned on because then like the phones on six e wifi 6e which the apple watch doesn't support and so I I turned that off and i'm so good gigg a bit speed like bigger hurts will give you give give a wifi speed and so i'm not really losing any speed from going down um and then someone else also recommended， uh, forget the wife I network on your phone and like read join IT because I use the same as society and password as I had me four because I don't want to run around and like rejoined the new wifi network to a bunch of devices um and so i've done all those things and so far it's been OK but it's only been twelve hours um so we'll see.

Um I do I do think my wife's like a small size series eight like you know when a small watch gets down to eighty eight percent battery ever like you start to feel IT more than election for sure and so I think he may end up getting in a great anyways. But yeah I need to um I need to continue to to chip away at this. I'm pretty convinced that it's something with the wifi now ah what a .

validation for shower, Jason.

Yes, I think I think shao Jason was right. And as were in the people and someone even emailed me with some suggestions, which is very kind. Thank you.

Email back forth of somebody now about this for a little bit. Um so we'll see we will see how this goes and I don't you know it's fixie. I'm sure I think .

maybe mary's um watch was probably right on the edge, right where I was still getting a done but just a little fit him battery drain is enough to make IT suddenly right because you hit the wall where it's like, well, if I can't wear IT all day because i'm sitting at home in the evening and it's A P M or nine P M and it's telling me i'm at ten percent, i'm going to die that's when you notice right?

If you if you if it's if he goes from being thirty percent when you go to bed to twenty percent when you go to bed, IT doesn't matter. But when suddenly you start getting the alerts. And so it's just enough phantom battery during somewhere in the process to tick her watch over into panic mode. But you can also get a new watch not be nice yeah .

well yeah I usually go to for every three years anyways so it's about time um book will see you know i'm hopeful that turning off the bigger hurts is enough for now and like and if you're listening and you have unified stuff funy fat issues like this, please reach out because I would like to get this solved. I believe it's fixie like the fact there's really not a lot online about IT suggest that this is not a widespread thing.

And I reached out to some friends with universe stuff. I know we haven't seen this and so I think it's probably something um maybe unique to my set up, but we will will see. But you know this is like some of the fun stuff I get the super annoying that my watch just disappears on my phone and like, yeah, activity rings are empty for the day like that's not great, but part of IT a little part of me. I also haven't fun with IT mystery because the kids are still being able to stream netflix. It's like it's broke in my network, which is like it's really just affecting me and mary and like shouldn't even notice until sir didn't at work um right is a big syria on the watch person but H I feel it's that there's A A A fix out there.

What series watch do you .

have in a SHE is on the series eight, the little one?

So he doesn't have the theory on the watch right at all.

right? But I mean, just like hiding the button and talking to syrian.

it's only so so having gone from that, I think seven to the ten because I think it's the nine and the ten that have the on board theory and the ultras. Um she's going to love that upgrade, right? Because like that's the thing that I use.

I use IT mostly for like reminders and tires and stuff. But having the model running on the device instead of having to go back to the phone, yeah it's so great, is so great um it's much more responsive. I used to just get so frustrated with syria on the watch because I would spend and spend and spend and spend and then say, like, I give up.

And now IT never does that because the the hardware is improved to the point where you can run that stuff on the device is great. So you love that. I hadn't .

even thought about that. But yes, that that puts the batter maybe enough for me to feels good. May be I can maybe I can find a cyber monday deal.

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Steven, I wrote a thing that I say for you for this podcast, which is in decision of the intersection of the mac studio in the mac bini, which is my article where I get lots and lots and lots and lots of um advice um from people I know about what kind of computer I should buy because I feeling I feeling the mac mini sweats right like oh, that make mini pro chip so impressive. Do I want that? I have a max studio of m one max which is really, really good.

Iran benchmark tests against the pro and I was like, well, it's wait faster CPU, but actually because he has so many fewer GPU cores, the my m one, it's it's only like a seven percent GPU boost, which is impressive going from a max to approve. But like if i'm gonna get a new computer after three years, I went like a really impressive jump and that was enough to get me off of the mac mini train. I think even though it's so cute because I thought it's just it's not enough of a benefit for me, even though it's sorely tempting.

But just like, okay, maybe i'll just wait and see the probably be the high end of the mac. Many in the low end of the max studio usually cross over and you get the max chip in the max studio. Even the base model is going to be way more impressive than the, the, the high and mac mini, and presumably will blow my existing max studio out of the water.

And this was great until some of my friends and I use that term somewhat pejoratively here, said, Jason, you have a laptop that you travel with. Sometimes you have a desk in your garage, and you have a desk in the back of the house that you use a lot in the winter because, no, you don't want to heat. Your government is a separate space heater.

All of this is true. And they say you should just get a macro pro. You can get N M for max macro pro today. You don't even need to wait for the max studio. And the best part is, you know max are good at thinking data, but they're not great at thinking data.

There's a lot of data that doesn't think that you you're like, oh, suddenly this APP was hazle the other day or is like a hazel doesn't know what to do on this and the python version was different and this thing wasn't installed yeah when I went from one room to another and my friends, again, so called friends, were like, if you have a macbook pro, you literally Carry your computer from room a to room b and everything is the same because it's literally the same computer. And you know what you can also do then when you go visit your mom and phoenix, it's also the same because it's the same computer. And like, are you getting IT yet? It's not three different computers in three different places.

It's a one computer want to go to between places. Uh, and so I come to you also with this. I wanted to to share a link. There is absolutely a bananas article on uh on ninety five mac uh last week that was how I turned the m for mac many into a travel computer. It's hilarious. I really admire the moxy of uh of the h ninety five mac writer, uh, fernando silva because it's like i've got a backpack, I got a little possible display, i've got a pack mini, I have a keyboard and I can travel with my computer. And then if that needs like of course, you could also buy a laptop and you you know .

who's fought the story, is this this travel in for magni wanna get back to you in this second. But this travel in for magni situation, it's federal of a teaches fault because he cut a macbook air and half and stuck and ipad on top of IT and suddenly everybodys like hack and their .

hardware was the original sin of this whole thing was that IT was.

you know, segment is like, got a apple T. V. Do you know we talked about connected.

I think he he doesn't even have the screen anymore. No, he through he has half a macbook, are in the store. Yeah what what do you do on men? Uh, back to you though. Thank you. Ah and I think the last time I was on upgrade, I also like had some sort of I was judging something .

yeah you bring the the the mac therapy wisdom yeah yeah thank you.

Ah so for years I had a desktop mac and a laptop. And so I did this right like I can have my desktop in my main computer. And then I took my notebook with me when I went to go work somewhere else, and I did the data juggling thing.

And you're right, documents, photos, calendar stuff that's really easier to sink. It's all sort of the other stuff that we as nerd to have a lot of extra stuff. That's where you really kind of agree building IT on both systems. Yeah.

it's all the stuff that didn't like like your library files and that that the apps have not or the system have just not moved, which they have to engineer themselves like move to A A system where that stuff ends up living in a sink place and and so they all get out of sink IT just IT happens yeah IT can .

be IT can actually be kind of frustrating is like, oh, you know, why isn't this thing thing working hazes a great example of this for me and I use hazes like, oh, why is this P D F still just sitting on my test top? Why hasn't IT moved? Like, oh, because I want a different .

computer so yeah, and his all has a sink system but you you have to turn IT on and make sure you turn on the right place and say, now this, and then go to the other computer and say, now use that and also do IT here. And if you do that, IT IT does work, but you have to do IT.

Yes, same with Alfred, which is my launcher of choice. And like, if f is not the same on ever computer I use my brain does that work but you have to let go in and like you put a photo on drop box that is sinks IT and we all know how reliable that can be over time. But um so that was my life for really for like seven probably seven eight years, my first seven, eight years being independent.

I did this and then with the m two generation, I bought a pretty nice m two pro macbook pro and made the decision like I might have one computer and when I met my desk that looked up to my study to ay in my sounds equipment, everything else, I used a thunderbolt g for that. But then I can just eject time machine, I can employ a single cable, and my one computer goes with me. Now there are downsides to that, right? The laptops more expensive if your car gets broken into and someone snatches your bag and your own computer was in IT, that's a problem, right? Or if you spilled yeah ice into IT and you know and so I still have like have an m one, a map car as my data machine in the summer and that sort of my escape patch.

Like if something happened to this laptop, I could still record a podcast by getting you know some stuff and start on IT. So and you know there's nothing saying you you wouldn't have the redundant see IT or started the safety net of that. But I have really come to enjoy having just the one mac with everything on IT and my set up being the same everywhere. And they get, in your case, where you are kind of bounding back and forth between the garage and the bedroom, a studio b back there. I think there's a benefit to IT and I think the fourteen h in four max would would smoke your studio o and and give you that and understand like you're a small laptop person in the fourteen and just a little bulky and I get that, but I think the benefits out way that at least .

for me yeah I i'm coming around. I'm still not there yet, right? Because I have been a macbook a person for so long.

But the truth, my macbook ironies was very much based on the fact that I used to be a commuter and brought my laptop back and forth, because you talk about, you know, having your same computer everywhere. I did that, I was in my backpack. I was a macbook care on my bags.

So I want to be as light as possible, but I docked at at work and then use IT at home. That was great. And when I started this, I started with a mac. I eventually bought that retina imac when I came up. But when I started doing this, uh, work from home thing, IT was with a dog macbook air on on the monitor and IT was great.

So i'm open to IT because my laptop like I don't use the laptop around the house so much at all because I use the ipad my around like that on the couching stuff. It's never the laptop is always the ipad for that stuff. And and even in the backyard, most of the time i'm writing, i'm actually writing on the ipad with the keyboard and not writing with the macbook are so my macbook are use is really limited to the back of the house as the studio b driver.

And when I go visit my mom or or do any other kind of like business travel where I need to record pycke and stuff like that because i'm not as far gone this bitter o who is completely for second. The mac is not going to be me. I'm not going to go that far for now.

He'll be back, comes back. He will ring around. He bounces around.

I love IT. He's like a, he just is a. He's just traveling the world and seeing the sites.

And just like you, you can put him down. It's great. That's what we love him.

So so I am seriously considering IT, which I I kind of can't believe the evening as I write these articles, I write these reviews of these microprobe and you know, I always go out of my way to talk about the display because IT is the best display apple has ever made. period. Yeah, full stands down.

period. IT is spectacularly good, bright colors. It's just incredible.

And like heaven, one of those when I travel, and you know, that would be nice, that would be really nice and it's very rare that i'm using a laptop in cramped conditions where I am going to say, oh, man, I really wish I had the macbook here instead of the macbook pro. It's not that much. I mean, it's not the eleven in jail, right?

That's the other thing as apple is never gona make I think personally, I think never gona make a mac laptop smaller than the thirteen and chair. I don't think they're gona ever make A I would love IT if they made an eleven age. Sub air or whatever, but I don't think they will.

And even if they did, I don't think i'd wanted because I would probably be so compromised at that point. Um so I am coming around to the idea that maybe an m for a fourteen inch and for max max book pro might be in my future replacing all of my other max. And as for the the fear of like being uh having a disaster where you you have to send your computer in and you don't have access to a mac for a while, I am my server.

It's an m2 mini。 Like I can do my job on an m2 mini。 It's oh yeah yeah right. If IT comes to that, I will.

We purpose, i'll move the server and the hard drive and all those things to one of my desks and just use IT there and it'll be fun, right? right? I I have no fear of that.

Yeah, don't let dan more or near with an iphone. We know how that aden's.

Wow, you. yeah. I saw a picture I was made. I was building some calendars last week interesting the ah yeah right i've i've got the last page of the last even and calendar up on on my law right now. Yeah we've reached this .

the same it's a that's the James thoms James .

Thompson photo right yeah the icon garden it's including the hand which I imagining is use waving goodyer two calendars um but I we do this every year. We take pictures for the year and then make those the calender for the next year. And so I was going through all the oh the pictures and one of the pictures in there is me taking a self thy of my ro.

wwdc. And it's like all, there's K, C. And there's David. Oh, there's dan and his laptop just before the bad thing happened. It's like the.

it's like the last known photo of somebody before they dippel.

Yeah, yeah. It's like a little did didn't know that he would drop his iphone right on his screen and destroy IT. Mid keynote. Mid keynote. amazing. Thanks to obama.

I think the m four max fourteen inch is the way to go. Mean, that's what i'm gonna i'm going to at the end of the year, I think. And you can speak IT up, you know where you really can be your one computer like, yeah.

you ve got to get all your files on there, right? You've got to get the entirety of a relay on the drive.

So get to the big drive. I tell you, once you buy one laptop, they terrible, you can go.

This is the thing with my max idio. I used to have an an imac with a one terribly drive. And I got the max tudie with two terror bites. And this could be like a little maxim. We could come up with a way to like make this a thing people refer to in the future.

But it's like basically, once you go to a higher storage tear, you can't go back, right? You just can't I I never going to go back to one terribly again because I I now at two terribles and everything is expected, ed, to fill the space. I'm never going .

back exactly. It's like the mythical man month but for files for us yeah that sounds right. Um yes, liminal storage is there is there is some sort of thing about that like work will of that does happen with storage.

Ah I think it's the way to go. And yeah, it's a bit more weight you know when you're trying to see your mom or when you you're going on somewhere. But it's not that big. And I think I think one thing about the screen that is worth, I mean, I think the back proposed the way to go for for the power. But you know for me, i'm sitting in front of the studio display.

I saw the time now the laptops open to the left, but i'm not getting the benefit of that screen most of the time and that that's kind of obama, but the power is what i'm after and the capacity is what i'm after in the screens, kind of a bonus. And when ideas that this is a laptop, it's incredible, you know um so if you're going to use IT in claim to motor something, yeah you don't get that benefit all the time. But when you really need IT, that's when IT.

it'll be there for you right? Yeah right. Well thank you for the the sage advice.

Appreciate you. And I will say I think I heard you say this like clamp show mode works great and without local max it's so much Better than I used to be. You know I I used IT for a while um in the until days and I was just as really bad then really bad and like apple fix that with apple silicon if you are out there and you like, I wish I could use clip show mode and you know maybe i'm in a small desk and laptops in the way like it's really good now yeah.

I use IT like because I use IT in the back of the house. And I mean, and as a veteran of somebody who would frequently pull my laptop out of my backpack when I got home to find that IT was blazing hot because although had been closed and gone to sleep, IT decided IT wouldn't sleep. But that was the intel mac laptop experience in the country. It's not like that now. It's not like that at all.

Yeah, they have. They have, I think, someone when they did apple. So and there A K, look, this is a been a problem. Let's fix IT. Now.

most of our desktop users are using laptops attached to a monitor problem, right? So I don't know, I mean, what percentage people who use laptop s ever attached to a monitor, but I wonder if that number is larger than the number of people who are using a dutch market. Attach to a really maybe maybe the same, maybe more I don't know, but I I haven't random that complaint to share with okay.

just before we take .

our our last break, I wanted to share this with you um at this flash, uh, which was I used launch bar and I have a ChatGPT account and I used ChatGPT sum and I was hearing, I was actually hearing you guys talk about, mike users check P, P, T for search a lot and I thought, how can I I use IT occasionally, and I find IT interesting.

I don't find the results great, but I find IT okay and interesting and sometimes useful, sometimes really bad, but sometimes useful. And I thought, what I really want to do is use IT from inside launch bar, right? What I really want to do is say, uh, you know, do my launcher shortcut and then do a GPT shortcut and then type query and then get the response.

But what I really, and I can do that on web. I could build that for the web. What I really want to do is use the ChatGPT mac APP because it's nice that it's a mac APP that is not stuck in a way browser and I can open IT and I can see my whole history and it's just IT feels Better.

But the problem is, is basically a web rapper and IT doesn't have, as far as I can tell, any inactivity to other mac things. And it's frustrating like I wanted to be like A U R L scheme, uh right? Something where you just pass A U R L to the ChatGPT APP that says do this query and open IT, it'll open. I don't even needed to come back to launch bar. I just wanted to like open in the ChatGPT APP and have done the query right.

Just pass IT through and then but then the APP open or you tab over to or something and it's ready .

for really I I just I wanted eliminate a step here because I have lunch bar in my muscle memory and GPT will bind to a shortcut. But I don't really want that because I don't use IT enough for that. But I would like to sort of like bind IT to launch bar and have lunch bar passed IT to ChatGPT.

But the APP is bad. And I I actually asked ChatGPT how to do this. And I generated, first of, he told me to go some place in in launch bar that doesn't exist. So I go to the go to the the this tab and then press the the new um automation button like that doesn't exist. Okay great.

Um and then uh IT wrote name script for me and I know this has happened a few times where i've seen IT that um ChatGPT is actually pretty good writing apple script because there's so much apple scrip documentation and examples out there on the internet and I know that they're old, but there's so much of IT. It's actually a great way to do apple script is just because nobody needs to learn apple script today, right? You should never learn IT if you don't know IT, but those that apple scrip can do that nothing else can do on the mac and ChatGPT already for yeah.

So you can do with that way. Be careful, you know, be careful, because I could decide to kill all humans. And right now, script, it's like bad. But uh but generally IT works really well. So it's apple script to super hacky though, because he knows that he can control the ChatGPT APP. So IT basically says, take the query from launch bar and type IT switch to judge vt and type IT in so well, I could use keyboard my store at that point right like that is that is not the point here and I may end up using keyboard myself to do this. I don't know, but um my plea to ChatGPT and and a everybody over there is put your own scheme, your mac APP and document IT because that's all I really need is I need a way to say ChatGPT Collins slash lash uh you search uh and talk pic equals right like that's all I need is document of A U R else scheme I don't need an apple script dictionary or anything that that's let's not even go there but just something where I can pass that through .

because that would be nice yeah I I have the mac up installed. It's not great. Um IT IT runs in the mini bar and the dock and it's one those working like hide the dock APP but that doesn't really work the way that I expected to in a way that I can't quite put my finger on even like this kind of weird um I do have IT bound to a keyboard shortcut.

I'm doing option space and I have IT. So default size are bottom, left, center and right. I no, I wanna in the top right like that's kind of in my brain, where should be? And I can drag the window up there and set IT to open the last position.

But IT doesn't really remember like it's kind of a weird APP. Yes, i'm not actually sure I was trying to digger around as I was talking. Um if it's a native or it's or if it's electron, but it's got some weird yeah I think .

it's just a web wrapper and look, I am very glad that there's a mac APP. I love that they said, you know what? ChatGPT is so useful, we want to integrated into into desktop computers and they get the mac version and now they have a windows version too.

Like i'd like that about IT because if you are a believer in ChatGPT and you know ChatGPT people should be right that it's their product, then you should believe that integrating IT with the the test top computers is one of the things that you should do. So i'm grateful that is there because I don't I mean, like I said, I could open this up in a web browser, but i'd rather not I just wish that was a little more integrated. And like the bare minimum to me is except A U.

R, L. That's past from elsewhere in the system because that will then you can put IT on a stream deck button. You can keyboard my straw IT. You can apple script that you can use an launch bar like IT opens up the entire platform to just pass things to ChatGPT if they want to do more, you know great if they want to return you know uh um the result back to some other APP fine but like it's unnecessary.

I just would like a little bit and I realized that I could probably build like an API thing that uses the API like a federal code did with one of the shortcuts like I could probably do that where I built the whole thing that passes the query to the ChatGPT A P, I and gets the results back and displays IT. Again, it's kind of too much. I'd rather not all I really want to do is past the query on to where I should live, which is in the mac APP and and they doesn't do the APP.

But I I like I don't know how you're using IT. I pay for IT because I want to explore IT and I think that it's good like I said sometimes I mean, other than for computer programing, we're honestly it's great because he knows way more than I do about IT and that gets me code that is usable or at least fixie. And some of the search is good, some of IT is bad, like it's not perfect, but I don't want to make perfect the enemy of the good IT IT. IT is often very good and I like to explore with IT how you know are you using IT I mean you're paying for .

IT so I hope you using IT yeah it's um amusing IT really with search and and a closely with a second ago IT does IT looks like it's button swift actually but this is a rubber let's .

get on IT like something yeah something a short cut t support would work, you are would work. Just let us automate please.

They use a revenue cat in here let's um yeah yes. So when search came about that, like you know, i'm going to give this a real shot. Mike spoke really highly about other people so we can highly about the search.

And i've been using IT in some so person, some other stuff, right? Again, just trying to find things. I'm not it's not doing my work for me.

And of course you want to always check its its sources and that is one nice thing in the surgeon like puts the uh IT puts the sources just right in line in complimented y see what they're saying. And yeah that is is really actually pretty compelling. I think the search is is good.

I think there are clearly still places where you bump into sort of limitations of their data sets or kind of the like someone as you have to think the way that he wants you to think. Um I trying to remember I shall I just go through my history and I can't find the example now, but there were something that I I tried searching for and i'd like tweak IT and then I kind of ended up going down the road. I wanted to to but IT is definitely not something that is like baked into my work flows at this point. It's still very much experimental that .

sort of why I want to integrate with launch part to see if like maybe there's a way for me to do that like I built a launch more thing that actually uses a shortcut, but it's six college search, so I can do command space six, you know, S, I, X space. And IT gives me an tex entry and I can type something. And IT runs that in the six color search shortcut that I built, which uses the world press search, A P.

I, and searches my wordpress install and passes back results that the shortcut displays. And when I click on one, IT puts the URL on the clipboard so that I can link to my stuff while i'm writing. It's like it's not super smooth, but it's smoother than going to the web browser, opening a browser window, typing in a query site.

Colin success res, I like it's a little bit Better um and I like that. So I that was my thought is like if I can add another feature into launch bar that is ChatGPT and integration, then I will let my impulse to do command space for everything, follow some of that stuff, that direction. And I am with you about search like, again, none of this is perfect.

But I don't know as a as a content creator on the internet, I don't mind the idea that if somebody asks for A A question about apple stuff, that there is a summary and then there is a bunch there are a bunch of footnotes that say you can read more about this. At this play is read at the verge and during fireball on the five toal pixel and six colors like i'm OK with that. If we are if the best practice for this is gonna, show your work so that you can trust these sources.

We're just summarizing these sources, but you need to get more information because some percentage of people are never gonna pass that. But a lot of people are going to be like, I don't trust this thing. This is not enough.

I want to read the details. I'm okay with that. That's okay with me. Um hiding that stuff is what bothers me.

So I love that the ChatGPT search shows its sources right? Like that is because that also lets look at the sources. Go come.

I don't just that source and that's good too. That's fine. Yeah .

yeah. In that way, it's not that different than a google search, right? Like you search something google like, okay, i've come across this website before.

Like I don't I don't need to I don't need to read IT or go down that road. And if anything, it's definitely like i'm definitely on the side of the art argument now. Like, oh, google in trouble.

Like they need to figure this out. And you know, I think most people now everybody's getting like the air results at the top of their searches. And in my sort of like, you know, kind of limited testing, uh, what jg B T.

Does with that search is more compelling. Them a gym ize doing. And I think, I think more useful than that is google.

Interesting that for google, that Better google. That's why google so spooked by this. That's why is because they can see that this could completely overthrow them. If they can do IT right, somebody else becomes the way you find things on the internet. If it's not, I mean, they're doing a thing like like the apple thing, which is if if our our brand Better is going to be replaced, we have to be the one to replace IT.

And that's why the apple spent lots of money on all sorts of of things like the vision pro because they're like what could be the next thing that replaces the iphone and and let us be one of the players in that oh wise, our businesses gone. And google, I think the A I stuff is absolutely hundred percent that which is this could be an existential threat to google. And uh so like if we're to if I onna replace google search, we need to be the AI search and right now there not but they're trying and real .

heart that's White well, i'm curiously how you're usage unfolds. And for me, guy, I looked at a little bit like, can I pite this to alter? And as I can know what the option space is, fine.

The yeah, you know and I get pops up quickly. And the one thing I appreciate about IT is when we use the keyboards or cut t IT opens and IT moves the cursor uh into the text box, which is not a given. Not all apps do that correctly. And so it's one keyboard suka and that i'm typing pretty quickly and that that gets me close enough. But I understand wanting to get IT a little bit you know, closer to the middle.

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apple worked on the vision pro since at at least two thousand eight.

Okay, what does this mean? So um all this ah here's here's the story hearing the crack. And he used to be the editor chief of PC world.

He was my counterpart of PC world. He was posting about finding his old blog that has disappeared from P, C, world's website in one of the very many kind of, uh, C, M. S.

Changes that have happened over time there, uh, using the way back machine from there in nark. And I totally worked when he found IT. And I thought, well, let's see if I can find our old blogs from that same period, because we make world, we went that same issue. And I found the mac user blog, which is where the anorak, most of his writing for a period of time when we were doing like IT, was literally a movable type log.

Of course.

IT was course that day, back in the day. And one of the things that, and then went poking around in his Collins, and he found something, and he wrote about IT in his macworld column. So there's a, there's a ninety five max story that literally is, hey, look at what dan wrote about on macworld, which is very strange.

But we found this that we have this for podcast two or we say things on pocket and they're like, hey, look at this thing that mike heard on upgrade and there's a whole story about that. Look that content building the content void is is a real, real thing. I mean.

we do IT on like five, twelve, six colors. IT is a little bit. We are to see IT on nine to five, I think.

is what you're saying. Well, well, I feel like we write links where we say, hey, you should check out this article because but nine to five year will often just be like, well, we're just writing an article about news that broke and IT just started down power IT just is weird um so this is a post um from a mac user contributor from two thousand and eight that is headlined pattern filing suggests apple quote ipod E Y E P O D from november seven, two thousand eight.

And it's a patent and it's linking to somebody's pattern website. Probably maybe Patty apple or something like that. Ah maybe it's the U S P T outside.

I don't know what the link is because it's just a screenshot. Dante k, but the the the the drawing of IT, it's like the vision pro. I mean.

it's the vision pro.

It's wild. So it's old news. And you know, IT came a long way, but at some point in in two thousand eight, somebody at apple was like A I have a patent on mounting displays in a thing that you wear on your face. And one of the people credited, that is tony fadel. Actually, they got to create the ipod.

Yeah wow.

look at this thing years in the making .

years .

making to put two thousand .

eight in this context for people. That's the year the macbook pro went unibody for the first time, the year the macbook er was introduced.

Um it's a long time. It's it's the year the APP store happened. Yeah, yeah, wild.

Yeah, absolutely wild. Now, anyway, just a little old news. But I ve, I love that and I love that. The chain events was Harry to me to down to mac world, to nine to five. Mac.

the internet, a wonderful place.

All right. So we do a mask up grade. Let's do IT.

Oh, double laser is great. Uh, even what's the first desk of great question? What's going on here?

This is from someone name, casey list. That name sounds made up. Casey route.

You've discuss that you don't typically use max safar traveling and often do some sort of of arithmetic to figure out if you will be necessary. I couldn't agree more. I'm in the same boat.

Would you trade the maxim connector for another U, S, B, C. port? Or slightly different take. Would you be sad if max safe went away again?

Casey says they don't think they would make the trade, even though the casey seems to use U. S, B, C, and at max safe. I'm little confused by case's opinion, but what do you think .

um I would be sad if you went away because I think having the option of having a dedicated power plug that isn't go I mean, first of list to say I think it's unlikely that apple would remove mag safe and replace IT with another port.

I think they would do what they've done before, which is just remove IT to use your other boards for IT in the beauty of this is IT can't be anything but power, and that means that if you, if you're full up, you can use IT. I love having a dedicated power spot, and the magnetic thing is big, right? Like there are lots of people who rely on.

And when he was gone, we're buying like weird third party things in order to get that break away thing where it's not gona pull your laptop off a table while it's charging because it'll pop off. And I think it's really good and I wanted to continue. And I do like I said a last week, I do travel with IT some right, but but it's not required. And if i'm trying to travel really light but still bring the laptop, I might not use IT.

But I also sometimes I do travel with IT and i'll tell you this the way IT Lauren uses her macbook here and she's using the in one right now the moment that SHE gets maybe when I buy that macbook prd my hand me down in two macbook air um SHE will use that that maxim cable a lot because I know we've got U S, B, C charges around the house and we use them for ipads and stuff too. But her her laptop doesn't really have a home. Sometimes it's on the couch, sometimes it's on a table.

But like back when he had a mag safe laptop, IT was great because you could just lay IT somewhere and know that IT would charge, but also not get yanked and pull the laptop somewhere. And I feel like we'll go back to that when he goes the m two. And that will be an upgrade.

So I love IT. I mean, U S, B, C, charging is so great that they could kill IT and IT would be okay. But I think that the real chAllenges trading apart from mag safe would be like that would be OK. But I don't think apple, I feel like apples just never going to do that. Like the whole point of maxi being on the on the laptop is we want to maximize your data ports because you actually need to use data ports.

And in my safe on the mac, there is some nuts here. So like if you want a fast charge of the sixteen nit that requires uh the hundred and forty White apple charger, yeah and you c power delivery um won't go that fast right on the macbook pro. And so there are some cases where max safe would be faster.

Um I really like max safe. I'm glad that is back now at my desk i'm using a thunder able doctor s have one cable going to my makeup pro but in my bag I have the max save adapter. I I like you a lot and IT totally works for me. I would be sad if I went away again.

Something you said they're really struck me, which is here's the thing about USB charging. I don't trust IT. I don't trust IT if if like i've got USB c adapters that have been like the the good port and the bad port and like but if you're just on the other end, you don't know if it's plugged into the good port of the bad port, maybe you could check.

But like we've got one that's on behind our couch and then the cable snakes over the couch. So like I would have to get up and and go behind the couch and look and see whether it's plugged into the good porter. Now you're not going to do that.

You're just going to plug IT in mag safe. I know IT IT matters what adapter is plugged into the mag safe, but I would say that in general, I know what i'm getting from mag safe and USB C I don't really know. I mean, some of those adapters are weird and I know it's I know you're plugged into USB c on the other end, right? But so so IT could still be an issue.

But I feel I feel more like this is a dedicated power blog. It's going to do what I trust. I don't know, maybe that is maybe that's an illusion since they're all coming from U S, B, C.

Sources anyway, but I feel like having to be dedicated as a good thing maybe. And I think magnetic again, magnetic decoupling is good, like it's really good that it's safe, that IT lets you pop that thing off whenever there's an attention instead of pulling the laptop onto the floor. It's it's good it's and making the cable you release without IT the cable undergoing attention that makes your cable bad. So good.

A A question from Stephen and munchin, do you keep the boxes of your apple products current or past?

Um is a good question. I think this maybe came up because, uh, over the holiday I was in my in laws garage and discovered A G five imac box that was exactly what I thought of. Like what is this even doing here? And like I I like shook IT and I was like there's a really like there's no mac in here now um because they got rid of IT, but they kept the box, which they probably don't need to have a box for a computer.

They don't have any more and have to had for many, many years. They also also a visible in their stack boxes. High up in the raptors of their a garage was their intel imac box for the one that I was trouble shooting.

So they, they save all these. My answer is mostly no. I don't live in a house with a lot of storage. And so keeping a big box around is not ideal. I think I do have like at least one of my studio display boxes and it's huge.

But I think I think I might still have I keeps some of them like I have the vision for box, but again, it's a first generation apple product. I feel like i'm gona hold to that box because i'm going to hold to that product forever. But in general, no, I have so many products going in out.

I have to hold on all the boxes of all the apple owners, right? So that's already taking up a lot of space because I got the box, came in the air bill to ship them back in the boxes for all of those products. And that takes up a lot of space on my shelves in my garage is already, and I just don't have a lot of storage even using the garages as storage like we do.

I don't have a lot of storage for boxes. So so generally know is the answer. Other than that, I will try to keep IT around for a while in case it's a product that's currently in use.

And I might go to somebody else because but I don't do a lot of reselling of products either because this is my job. And so I tend to keep all products around whether I know you sell them and then buy them back. Fifteen years later, you can find a suite spot where they are not so rich as you be valuable but but are also about moted and you then that's that's the right yeah before .

I talk about my box usage, it's a little two legs. People have already sent your email probably bite and the support document, maybe Jesse to put the shown notes um the twenty twenty three so is that the m three max six mark pro apparently can fast charge if you have one hundred and forty White U S B C paradox or and the two hundred and forty White USB c charge cable two meter from maxi X O cable and so you know yes, I guess there are some uh specific cases. But or one case this that can this .

is completely about mag safe, which is the two options for that fast charging on the sixteen years mro pro are the hundred forty what paradox? Or with a special U S B C cable or the maxi cable, right? Again, you might if you get the wrong cable, you're not going to get your full charge, but the mag safe cable is gone to get you your full charge.

And that's a reason to use max, say, for Jordan because you can rely on IT. It's like that's what it's for. It's all it's for use IT.

Yeah, yeah, yeah yes. So I think I A great a point so stands alright. And I will say I I do try to keep vinge boxes.

So I i've got the ipod original ipod box around here somewhere. I think I ve tried to keep some of that stuff, but I can keep all of IT. So a lot of that stuff just goes away.

Yeah, I get boxes for current stuff up in the added actually have like a big duffle bag that has like current no laptop, ipad, iphone boxes in IT um and that's really about IT. I even though i've got a map collection, I really don't collect like the boxes or the packaging. There are some stuff that I wish I had like I wish I had had, you know an old ipod box or someone that us is really interesting.

But I have never it's never really like stuck for me from a collection standpoint. So I really don't have a lot. And once I sell something and that the box goes with that, so um or like IT, you know it's passed along to a family member, something like here's your new old phone .

and here's the box that came yeah that is ideal is if you've got the box ah that I came in um but yeah I I I I save more than I used to put in that way I used to not at all because there was no room that was back when this garage was a garage and there was some storage in IT. But now we've got like there's a big set of metal shelves that we've got a that from like homey bow, and it's got a bunch of stuff on IT.

Then i've got a couple of other racks of stuff, including old computers and stuff. So we ve got a little more storage, but still it's not enough. Um so you know there's a limit to what you can do.

I have friends and you probably know this. You ably know people to do this. Then freak my old colleague at a mac world.

Drakes is an infect ate seller of his old hardway, so he keeps all the boxes and and everything in them pristine because he'll use like a computer for year, and then he'll sell IT usually hit like salad on. I don't even know where crick's ebay, I don't even know what he does, but this was always his method. And so he would sell IT in box with all the stuff frush ly wiped all of that.

And I always admired IT, but I also thought, like, I I I am doing that. You like just no way i'm going to and I didn't have the room to do that either, but I was didn't admire that, that he always kept every box perfectly pristine. And then, which I do with my apple loners.

But like, for a computer, i'm gna use fruit because wants to started handing him down to other members of the family. I am not going to do that. It's not. Yeah, come on. Yeah.

I think it's fair, David asks. I was curious, ince, Jason has both in oculus and division pro. How are movies on the two? I'm interested in watching, quote, big screen movies in a two hundred and ninety nine dollar oculus sounds interesting. I did the trial. The apple door for the vision pro and IT was great.

but currently too expensive. So I did convert a bunch of three dvds. 3d blue is to k uh， using just really like I to use a windows I think was the windows or dos? I don't know a really bad IT wasn't doss, i'm sure what's wrong, but I was like kind of anyway really bad a windows software in order to do this.

But I didn't manage to do IT so I could watch those on the oculus before I had a vision pro cause was like a 3 content。 This is cool um and it's okay. There's a good APP that puts you in a movie theater that looks really good.

Got dynamic lighting on the seats and stuff. So when it's a bright scene, the seats light up and when it's dark, they don't it's really, really very good is called the sky box. Um it's fine, like the vision per is Better. The vision pro was really nice, but the vision pro l also cause thirty five hundred box. So I mean, that's kind of my answer is if you're curious about watching movies on a big screen in, uh, in V, R, the oculus will do IT.

What I would say is it's not I don't think it's good enough to watch any like if you ve got a nice T V, you should watch IT on the T V, but the three d stuff was great and you can't watch that on in three d anywhere else other than a headset at this point. Now I don't know, last time I because of the vision pro, now I I I am not going to do that because I have a vision pro. But like I hope they've got a store now somewhere where you can buy a rent 3d stuff in a metas ecosystem because they really should。

That was my complaint back before vision pro, was that they really should like let me watch three these stuff uh and rent movies and buy movies in three days and they they didn't. So if you've got that, that would be great. But um and also yes, the quest three ah has a Better screen than the quest three eh.

So you know you you go up a little bit, you onna get a Better screen but I also have the quest two which is the same screen as the three s and IT was fine like IT was fine but really IT was fine for 3d content that I couldn't watch anywhere else。 Anything else I would rather watch on T, V with vision pro. Like sometimes there is kind of like i'm i'm going to watch this on vision pro as a treat because IT is of a hand of quality that it's kind of nice to have that big screen.

Um when i'm watching a moving by myself, which doesn't happen, I say one to two open this weekend of i've watched half of moana, the original because I never saw and I started watching in three on the on the vision pro and then I get distracted by something and I haven't watched the rest of IT but like that was a good example where again, it's a 3d movie， it's in disney plus IT looks great on the vision pro. So my answer is, uh, see if somebody is selling those movies or but or red, letting your random on oculus gotto be right somebody he's got to be doing that now and and then you know it's fine, but I wouldn't I wouldn't personally choose IT over my T V for two d content. But uh, for three, it's fun. It's it's a lot of fun yeah .

and then I think the entertainment is a huge use case, right and that does put the vision pro with a slight disadvantage. Just stood the Price .

yeah yeah even IT IT looks good but IT doesn't look ten times is good right?

That's right. Yeah exactly exactly. Uh, in lately R M wrote in, has Jason seen this page? Turn buttons are not totally dead. Ah can you describe this product that R M links to? Because i've looked at this one page a lot over the last couple of days and i'm still talking about the roman and just got mac OK.

So I my initial description, let me know how I do here is this looks like something that go, goodbye.

Yeah, I think so.

IT is solo reader. IT is a pair of glasses that contain an e reader inside them. Yeah, there are glasses that are completely covered in the front. So you when you put these on, you can't see anything but a book. So so yeah, yeah, it's basically like, what if a kindle on your face?

What yeah, what if a .

kindle was free reading? So I mean, I like I admire the idea and i'm sure there's a use case. I'm sure there's somebody who is trying to read in bed and doesn't want to bother their partner.

And this is great. You just put on the glasses. This is like federal playing video games, right? You can put on the glasses and you can read all you like and it's not a problem although IT doesn't look like it's really great resolution but anyway no IT doesn't IT looks like real blocky um so you look one of things I love and this is all when I was reviewing all the weird android devices like those books.

E readers like I love the fact that we live in an era where there is off the shelf mobile Operating system stuff and there's off the shelf parts that some manufacturer in china can just sort of like put IT in a blender and come out with whatever and say, is this a thing and you know what, nine times out of ten, maybe ninety nine times out of one hundred, it's not a thing. But every so often it's a thing or it's a thing for a, for a very narrow audience like the books. E readers, that book's pala is a great example.

I know you forgot that you had yours. I yeah, it's it's a great example of a product that a big mainstream company is never gonna make, but that a small company can take the take phone parts in an eating screen and kind of like put IT together and make something that will appeal to A A narrow audience that is big enough for them, but would never be big enough for amazon, right, or cobo or whatever. I love that.

I love that we live in an era where there there can be small companies that can leverage the existence of android and the existence of apps for android and can do just and the existence of parts for these devices that that are used by the commodities at this point and build products out of them that will that will target a very specific nation. Like I said, most of them aren't a thing, and I suspect that maybe the solar reader is not a thing. But if IT is, if I can find enough of a following for IT to be viable, then great.

Like, I think the book's pala is a great example where I reviewed IT. And then like three months later, six months later, the verge wrote about IT, like i've seen another places and like people kind like a viral. There's just enough there just enough there for people to say like enough people say that that's interesting to me and and so I love that we live in this era but I look at this and I think that did yeah if it's for you.

I also want to mention because I talk about page turn button a lot when you do come see you is right, because I like them. I think they are good. I think they should be hd devices. You don't have to use them. But it's nice that they are there and that amazon is decided that, that they're bad and nobody should have them anymore.

And I got a bunch of people wrote to me, including one person who wrote to me and cross posted IT to multiple social media services, which is like don't do that like cross posting promo is one thing. Cross posting to reach someone like like I literally answered the same question on two different services and then I realized that was the same guy. It's like, don't do that yeah yeah don't do um but I got a lot of people who said, hey, but Jason, here's your solution and they sent me a link to a thing that is absolutely not my solution.

So i'm just going to mention here speaking of weird reading things, which is there are devices out there that are basically like a remote finger. You clip them to your kindle and and and and IT hovers you. So you clip up to the side and and the end of IT hovers over the screen, like right on the side of screen, ideally not blocking your view, although you may have to.

And it's awkward because this is like back when we have a clip on booklets ts for the kindle, it's awkward. It's a thing clip to the idea or kindle or cobo or whatever. And it's got a remote control.

And when you click the remote control, the little finger goes boop and touches the screen and advances the screen to the next page. This is not what i'm talking about. I don't need remote finger.

I have a real finger. My problem is that I don't want to use the finger now. Now I will say if e readers, and this is, this is the problem with this product. So this product I have friends who use this product, I have a friend who uses this product because SHE just want she's got some medical as SHE doesn't to hold the e reader.

She's got a little stand that he can put the e reader on and then he can get under the covers in bed and she's got the little remote and you can go click on the remote and advances the page. And SHE doesn't have to touch the device or hold that or anything. It's great.

It's but I will say all of these device manufacturers should just support bluetooth remote, right? They should support the two remotes. There is no reason that a remote finger clip on thing should exist.

You should just be able to pair a bluetooth remote. And then click forward, backward, whatever, but none of them do, which is madness. I think I actually I think the books ones do because they support android, so they can support like a keyboard.

So if you need a remote that was just ride ero left arrow blue tooths profile of a keyboard, I think IT would work, but mostly not. So it's not what I want, because what I want is to hold them in my hand and then just sort of squeak with my finger or my thun and have a advanced the page because IT feels very natural. But again, it's a weird product, but i'm glad that exists like we live in an era where somebody has hacked a way to get a remote control on a kindle.

Even though I don't want IT, my friends use IT in that grape, but it's not what I want. What I want is a button I can push, and a clip on finger is not a button. I, I, I can believe I using that sense. But there IT is no.

neither are e ink glasses in glasses, which I think come with a button .

or theyve got a gesture. I don't even know how they IT looks like .

IT comes with a, with a thing you put in your hand yeah, like a little controller that.

yeah, yeah, that's nice. That's nice if you want. I I don't know. I would be crept out by not being able to see anything but the book hit my face. But yeah, I don't know.

It's good. Yeah, we go a handle remote. It's got a case.

Yeah, tory charging table, which is always fine. Oh, great. So what you want? Yeah, yeah.

Why they made that decision a little concern. Their website boosts that. Uh, five hundred something books were downloaded in twenty twenty four.

Okay, that's that's not very many. It's not a lot of books. Minutes read three hundred twenty five thousand pages turned three hundred and seventy seven thousand. Not a big market.

It's very much like this is a real product. Yes, it's real. It's real. So that's that's good. It's like when I was doing upgrading, we were talking about the the keyboard that is also a track pad, which was that apple pattern and people wrote in and said, or there's a real product that does that yeah.

I think I think you should email these people, get get a pressing and I no.

I do not want IT. I do not want IT. Okay, okay.

well, the link of being the showers, go check that out. If would if you work for a sol reader and you've heard to talk about this, reach out to Jason. He wants to do this.

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