Todays episode features a conversation between Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg discussing the recent angry posts on X from David Austin Walsh, a history postdoc at Yale, and what this controversy says about elite overproduction in the US. They also cover the the rise of right-wing muckrakers, discuss what the conservative movement needs now, and who they consider the smartest thinkers today are — on the left and the right.

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TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Intro

(01:05) Twitter Controversy: David Austin Walsh

(04:30) Elite Overproduction and Academia

(08:29) Affirmative Action and Racial Disparities

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(17:07) Elite overproduction’s implications for politics and academia

(22:29) Right-Wing muckrakers and progressive institutions

(32:12) Misconceptions about Barack Obama

(32:50) Mike Solana, Christopher Rufo, and other voices on the Right

(35:33) Evolution of progressive and conservative labels

(40:20) American Roots of Wokeness

(56:53) The Future of Conservatism

(1:01:41) Wrap

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E61: Noah Smith on Wokeness, Right Wing Muckrakers, and Class vs Identity 01:03:01 Share

"Upstream" with Erik Torenberg

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E61: Noah Smith on Wokeness, Right Wing Muckrakers, and Class vs Identity