BONUS: Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 27 2025
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This is an iHeart Podcast. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome in, Tuesday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. I appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through

The post Memorial Day weekend festivities. We want to, again, as I said on Friday, reiterate to everyone out there whose family friends have made the ultimate sacrifice that the reason we all have the freedoms we do every single day is because of the sacrifices so many have made throughout the course of nearly 250 years of American history.

We will talk some about that. I had a spectacular weekend trip to the Indy 500. I had never been before, thanks to the Good Ranchers crew for taking me there. Ben and his wife Corley, we had a phenomenal time.

running all around with them. I think there are videos up at clayandbuck.com. You can see the incredible time that we all had. I met a lot of you in the Indianapolis area, but there's 350,000 people there. So quite a bit of you had to be Clay and Buck listeners, Outkick readers, Fox News viewers. Not a surprise that there would be a lot of you that we would run into during the course of that weekend. It was awesome. Hospitality was fantastic.

fabulous in Indianapolis. And so I appreciate everybody who said hi and the Good Ranchers crew, goodranchers.com, code Clay. Those guys are doing amazing work. You get $40 off if you go there. But they have a fabulous business and they're awesome people. So I think you guys will be hearing more and more from them coming forward. But we had just a spectacular time. I want to tell you,

Buck is out, by the way, has the flu, and he's hoping to be back tomorrow. So he will be back tomorrow. I will be out. I'm going to go to this new Universal Studios park with my kids. We're going to be on the road for a few days. School is finally out, so I'm going to be on the road with my kids, taking them to that amusement park, which my wife's probably not happy that I just announced. But...

That is where we will be for the next several days. So they have opened a brand new Universal Studios Park, and my kids were excited for the roller coaster. So that is where Dad and Mom are going to be here. But Buck should be back tomorrow, says he should be back healthy.

But that is where he is today. So I want to dive into there's so many different stories that are out there. Riley Gaines, by the way, is going to join us midway through today's program. And she is going to do that because Trump has really.

taking a two-by-four to the state of California over men being allowed to participate in women's sports. And we will talk about that with her in the next hour as that has turned into a major issue. And Gavin Newsom, who still has an open invite to come on this program but has somehow not found the time,

I want to dive into a couple of stories that I thought happened.

happening over the weekend and earlier today were representative of the lies that so many of us have had to deal with over the last four or five years and i want to start with good news it's good news if you didn't get the shot those of you who had to get the covid shot are still furious those of you whose kids had to get the covid shot to go to college or wherever it was uh the

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy, I believe CDC Director Marty McCary, who we need to get on the program. We had him on a lot during the COVID era on this program. They announced this morning that they are removing the COVID shot from the recommended vaccine, quotation marks for those of you watching on video, the recommended vaccine program.

shot lineup. And we have that audio. This just happened in the last hour or so. Listen to that. I couldn't be more pleased to announce that as of today, the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule.

Last year, the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another COVID shot despite the lack of any clinical data to support the repeat booster strategy in children. That ends today. It's common sense and it's good science. There's no evidence healthy kids need it today. And most countries have stopped recommending it for children. We're now one step closer to realizing President Trump's promise to make America healthy again.

Okay, that's an extraordinary part of our national story now that this shot...

which they told you would prevent COVID from spreading, which they told you that you had to get or you were going to be fired from your job. Thank the Lord the Supreme Court stood up against it. Joe Biden, remember, maybe we can grab this audio because I know a lot of it gets memory hold, said that his patience was running short for those of you out there that had not gotten the COVID shot like me, that we were going to experience a winter of death

I remember seeing that comment while I was chilling on a beach in Florida and thinking, yeah, the winter of death is not that bad down here in Florida right now. I think I sent out a tweet about it. And you had to joke about it because it was so infuriating that anybody was being forced to get this COVID shot. Buck was forced to get the COVID shot to go to his brother's wedding in New York. You couldn't go to McDonald's.

Some parts of places like New York and LA. I never got the shot. I feel fortunate that I did not. I feel fortunate that my young kids did not. Because it was never mandated for them. But I know a lot of you felt that you were obligated to get it. And it is just...

Completely indefensible that this entire era has been allowed to happen and that many of the people that wag their finger and lectured you about the COVID shot are now just pretending they never said any of the things that they did. And I want to hit you because I do think it's important with the data here. And I would say that many of you are listening to me today and listen to us on this program on a regular basis because you are still angry.

about what they said to you during COVID and what they tried to do to you. Remember this poll. This was from the Rasmussen, and it broke down percentages of people who

20% sorry, nearly 60% of Democrats in January of 2022. This is January of 2022. Believed that the unvaccinated people like me and many of you listening right now and an uncoated shoted because not really a vaccine. 60% of Democrats believe that you should have been fined if you refuse to get the COVID shot.

This is crazy. Nearly 60% of Democrats believed that those of us who didn't get the COVID shot should be locked at home. This is nearly over 40% of Democrats believed that those who didn't get the COVID shot should be sent to quarantine camps. Should your children be taken from you if you are not getting them the COVID shot? 30% of Democrats said yes.

And for people like me and Buck, over about 50% of Democrats said that people who criticize the COVID shot should be fined and imprisoned. I shared that clip from that poll yesterday because...

It's as if people want to pretend all of this never happened. And I see it in conjunction with Jake Tapper went on with Piers Morgan and Piers Morgan asked him about the Biden cognitive and physical decline cover-up and Tapper now, who had a show on CNN for the entire Biden administration, he now says, you know, in many ways, the cover-up of Biden's health issue

and mental was worse than Watergate. Listen to this. It is a scandal. Yes, it is. It is. It is. It is without question and maybe even worse than Watergate in some way. Right. Because Richard Nixon was

was in control of his faculties when he wasn't drinking. We quote Archibald Cox, who was a Watergate investigator, talking about how powerful the presidency is and how presidents get surrounded by people who have a vested interest in keeping that president propped up. OK, worse than Watergate. And by the way, I think it was worse than Watergate. The decision for the media to not cover Biden's mental and physical decline

And now the COVID shot being pulled for kids. Let me ask you a question. How can anyone trust anyone in legacy media at this point? If they told you, as CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox did not, by and large, but the Washington Post and the New York Times, all of those major legacy media outlets that I just ran through,

If they all told you that your kids needed to get the COVID shot or they were in danger of death, and if they all told you that Biden was the best mental and physical version of himself and that anybody criticizing him was spreading disinformation and misinformation, how can anyone trust these people again?

How can you, if you worked at all those places and you got the two biggest stories, maybe of your career, COVID, and I'm not just talking, by the way, about the shot, but now that the shot's being pulled for kids, I do think it's important to point out that they tried to force kids to get the shot in order to be able to go to school in many parts of the country.

Now that they're pulling this shot, and now that everybody suddenly says, hey, you know what? Yeah, Biden, mentally and physically, he wasn't up for the job. How can anyone, those are the two, I would argue, those are the two biggest stories in the last certainly 20 years. If you go back to 9-11, what has mattered more than those two things, COVID and Biden's mental and physical decline? They got all of that wrong. How do they still have jobs? How do they still have any audience at all? How in the world...

Do these people still have the ability to make a living? We get things wrong as part of being human. All of us are imperfect. But if you listen to this program, many of you did what I did and didn't get your kids the COVID shot. I didn't get it myself. Many of you knew early on that Biden didn't have the mental and physical capacity to be president. Both of those things we've now been proven right on on this program.

In a honest, transparent, fully cognizant media universe, this show would do as it has, continue to grow. And the legacy media, by and large, would collapse. And you know what's happened? That over time, all that matters in media is trust. Do you trust people to be honest with you and analyze complex situations and give you

to the best of their ability, good advice, to discuss complex issues in an intelligent fashion. That is the goal to me of anyone that sits behind this mic, of anyone that talks to a large audience every single day. We pass that test here.

Now, make no mistake, what they are attempting to do is memory hole the entire COVID era and pretend that they never could have known better because the experts got it wrong, not them. And then the thing that they're actually experts in, which is theoretically politics and analyzing presidents, they're claiming that they just couldn't see past the incredible cover up that the Biden administration has put in place. I would submit to you that you should not let them off the hook.

You should remember this failure for the rest of their career. And I would also submit to you, you know who the biggest advertisers are on CNN and MSNBC? Buy-in large drug companies. Do you think it was coincidental?

That they whiffed on the value of the COVID shot when all of these drug companies were spending hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars to advertise on their programs? I don't think so. And this is one where I think RFK Jr., who's a lifelong Democrat, is actually right. Why in the world are they accepting all of this money for prescription drug advertisements on programs where they regularly have to cover prescription drugs and whether or not they're necessary?

I would submit to you it's not a coincidence that the prescription drug companies got beneficial coverage while spending hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.

And then we all know that it wasn't that they got fooled. It was that they aren't actual journalists. They are propaganda stooges for Democrats, and they weren't willing to tell their audience the truth about Joe Biden until it became clear Biden was never going to be in power again. We'll talk about all this, but I think the conjunction of these two stories coming together is actually a moment of reckoning for the legacy media, which is leading to many of them being destroyed.

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Buck not feeling well. He'll be back tomorrow. I am rolling solo with you here on the Tuesday show.

after Memorial Day weekend, and we have been breaking down a lot. If you missed it earlier today, the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot list for kids and pregnant women. A lot of you out there are saying, finally, and you're very thankful that you never got any of the COVID shots for your kid or yourself, or you are resentful that because of where you were going to school or where you worked that in order to

to maintain your employment or maintain your school eligibility, you had to get the shot. And we bring in now Riley Gaines. We got a lot to dive into with her. But Riley, let me take you back in time with COVID for a minute before we get into the craziness of the sports universe.

in terms of men competing as women. You guys, you were a University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer. What do you remember about what you guys had to do during COVID? Because I think a lot of this is just getting totally memory hold. If I remember correctly, you guys had to wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming. What was it like even at UK?

You know, saying it out loud now, you almost forget you lived it. You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness of it. COVID hit, of course, in March of 2020, which was the end of my sophomore year, bar the fact we were robbed of an NCAA championships that year, which, of course, is the meet you work all year. It's the meet you work all your life for. About three days before we were supposed to leave, that meet was very suddenly and swiftly canceled.

We were sent home for a few months. We eventually got to come back to school. And upon returning, of course, it was the immediate mandatory vaccines. It was the contact tracing. I mean, they made it miserable. We couldn't go to class. They told us, me specifically being that I was the team captain, they told me I had to get the vaccine or else I'd be hurting my team. But, of course, this didn't sit right with me.

Right. Being young, being healthy, I'd already had COVID at that point, which being a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the most natural and best form of immunity. So I pushed back on this and I said, no, I don't. To which I said, well, can you can you define mandatory for me?

And that is when they lost the plot. It was almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say. They weren't given a script of what to say when asked this question. And so that's when they responded back, well, we really mean highly suggested. And I said, well, you can take that and shove it because I'm not getting the vaccine. But let me tell you, Clay, the rest of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year, all of my senior year,

They made it miserable for me. I had to go to testing every single week. They made it at 5 a.m. to make it what they described as inconvenient for us. I had to wear a mask in the weight room. We did have to wear a mask in between laps when we got out of the water on the pool deck. I mean, we essentially waterboarded ourselves every single day for the next two years. You had to wear masks between laps in the pool?

Yeah, they tried everything. I mean, they thought of things like, well, we'll have some people start on one end of the end of the pool. We'll have other people start on the other end of the pool. We'll alternate lanes. I mean, like I said, none of it made sense again. And we're playing a sport. We're in chlorine. Right. Which is going to kill any sort of, you know, germ or whatever it is. So all of it from top to bottom was was terrible.

utterly ridiculous and we all recognize it to be true but i will say people got the vaccine out of convenience to make it easier for them to to be able to compete i remember they sat me down

And they said, Riley, you know, again, you're the team captain. We have a big meet against University of Alabama, a big SEC rivalry. You're not going to get to go if you don't get the vaccine. To which, again, I just knew that was BS. And so I said, that's fine. I won't go then. And, of course, I got to go to University of Alabama. And, no, I never got the vaccine.

And I bet you're glad that you did. And let me let me kind of build on this, too. So many young people, I think I started off the program talking about the lies that were told about covid. And I think certainly the lies that were told about Biden. But you mentioned something that I think is important. I know there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids. Grandkids may have happened to you out there listening as well.

I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally. You were around 20, right, in March of 2020 when all this chaos started, roughly? That's right. That's right. Can you imagine if you had been 16 instead? Because it sucked for you at 20. But imagine that it is March of 2020. You are gearing up for whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country right now. You're gearing up for your junior year of prom.

Prom season, all that. 16, 17, 18. I talk now to kids on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you do too. In many parts of the country, these kids went home in March of 2020 as 16-year-olds, and they basically didn't see the kids they went to high school with in a big group again in many parts of the country until they graduated the next year in June of whatever it would have been, 2021, 2022, some of these places.

So you miss your junior year end of year. You miss everything that happens during your senior year. For everybody out there listening, think about how transformative usually your 16, 17, 18-year-old era is. It is not surprising to me that there are so many kids out there that are angry about what was taken from them. You're close to that same age. You're on college campuses all the time. Do you hear that from kids today?

I hear that all the time, not only from my peers, from my friends, from people I had classes with, but, Clay, I've got a younger sister and a younger brother. My brother was about that 16-year-old age group during the time of COVID in 2020, and he was...

in the middle of the football season they were on on pace to be state champions and he went to donaldson christian academy that all of that was taken from them my little sister she was in middle school transitioning to high school i mean it was horrible my oldest sister uh... she graduated college

from Ole Miss in 2020. So they had this virtual graduation where she got to walk the stage, so they called it virtually, where everyone sat on Zoom. It was the craziest thing. And even now, again, let's say four years post-COVID era, the way the educational realm has changed is crazy.

I mean, transformative. It is totally different. My sister's high school experience, again, she will be a junior next year in high school. Her experience now is totally different than when I was in high school. Granted, now it's getting kind of up there, what, eight or so years ago. But even still, totally, totally different experience that my younger sister has had compared to the experience that I had in high school.

So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly broke in the direction of Trump in 2024. Young men in particular, you mentioned you have a brother. I've got three teenage boys, two teenage boys, one 10-year-old, but I see it from all of them that they're just fed up, they're angry. And I think it's not only COVID, it's the lies that they were told. And I want to share this. Earlier today, Trump sent out a truth post and said,

California, under the leadership of radical left Democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow men to play in women's sports. This week, a transition male athlete at a major event won everything, now qualified to compete in the state finals next weekend. As a male, he was less than an average competitor.

As a female, this transition person is practically unbeatable. This is not fair, totally demeaning to women and girls. He then calls out the governor, Newsom, who has said it is unfair. He says, I will speak with him today to find out which way he wants to go. In the meantime, I'm ordering local authorities, if necessary, to not allow a transition person to compete at the state finals. This is a totally ridiculous situation. Can you believe...

years after you swam against Leah Thomas now, what, three years ago, if I remember correctly, that we are still in a position where, if anything, Democrats have hardened their stance on this being okay?

You know what, Clay? I truthfully imagined, I knew this, of course, would be an election issue. It would get us through November of 2024. But I really believed that, of course, we would see this red wave, which we saw. And I believed after that the Democrats would slowly begin to recant, to distance themselves from their voting records, from their positions. They've taken on totally outlandish, crazy stuff, such as men and women's sports. But that

is not at all what they have done. They have double, tripled, quadrupled down on this insanity. I love how Trump words it. He is so plain in his language, of course, which is another reason why I think specifically young people love him, are drawn to him. He's so authentic. He says, as a male, he was less than an average competitor. And that's

so true. That is virtually the case in every scenario, every situation, every circumstance where we see this happening. We don't see it going the other way. It is virtually always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't hack it in their own division or maybe ranking in the bottom of the barrel, right? They switch over to the women's league and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings, whatever that is.

system may be at the state level in case and what he's describing here in California, this boy by the name of A.B. Hernandez. Maybe I'm sure you remember, Clay, about a week or so ago, a video went viral of this young girl who placed second in California. Her name is Reese Hogan in the triple jump. But it was only after everyone exited the podium with the man, of course, standing atop the podium where she jumps on the first place.

And I thought that was the most remarkably brave display that really we've seen thus far. I mean, we've seen some pretty awesome things, right? Like I think of the girls in West Virginia, the middle schoolers who boycotted and shot put, which Alkick was the first to report on, by the way. I think of several instances of girls boycotting. But this, I thought, was really the perfect way to embody and highlight that that man atop the podium was a total fraud and everyone recognizes it.

You got into it with Jemele Hill a little bit over the weekend. Jemele Hill is a crazy person who used to work at ESPN, kind of the female version maybe of Keith Olbermann, who you've also gotten into it over with. Three years ago, if only women had swam in your NCAA championship, where do you think you'd be?

Well, my plan, what I was post-graduating from University of Kentucky, I was in dental school, actually set to specialize in endodontics, so root canals, basically. That's what I had planned. That's what I was set to do. That's what I prepared to do. I scored in the top percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental admissions test, the test to get into dental school. I had been awarded tens of thousands.

thousands of dollars in scholarship funds to continue my education in dentistry. So that was certainly the plan. I had married my husband. Our life would look a whole lot different had that man, that six foot four, again, as President Trump words it, mediocre man, not been in the pool with us, in the locker room with us that day. So I

I think this is so important because you get attacked, I think, unfairly, and I'm sure on a level that you never would have ever anticipated for just being a woman who believes women's sports should be made up of women. And I love when I see your tweets, J.K. Rowling, just fearlessness because this is not a complicated issue, but...

The only reason you have ended up doing what you are doing is because, one, you're fearless, but two, you dealt with this directly and you never want any other girls or women to ever have to deal with this either. And yet you get attacked for that. I just think it's really important to hammer home.

That's it. That's it. The stance that I've taken, of course, I've been painted to be this super radical, crazy right-wing grifter, as Jamel Hill would call it. But, I mean, I still live my daily life, like, with my husband, with my family, with my animals and my dogs. We live on a flower farm. Like, I'm still me. The only...

I guess radical position that I've taken is that men cannot become women and that there are two sexes and that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity of privacy and of safety. But several times now, of course, you have Keith Olbermann. I genuinely think this man is like...

needs to be in an asylum somewhere. I don't think he's stable. We should be doing welfare checks on him every day following November 5th. But you've got Jemele Hill, who has told me on multiple occasions now over the past few years that I need to thank Leah Thomas every single day of the rest

of my life for getting me famous. Again, reminder, I did not ask for this. I did not want this. I simply took a position that 99, 100% really of common sense people have taken. And I would say 90 to 95% of everyday common sense Americans are

who, I mean, it's a position they take too, but they just weren't willing to say it three years ago. Now you compare that to 2025 and the landscape has shifted, right? People, of course, are becoming more bold, more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true. And with that, the response that we see from the left, from the other side, people who don't have common sense, people who vehemently hate women, people like Jemele Hill, former ESPN host,

Of course, that is to increase as well. So I say bring it on. You know, lots of things that bother me, that scare me, but Jemele Hill and her professional race baiting certainly isn't one of them.

I love the easy question of, and I've used this, and I think it just really, I would encourage you guys to deploy it in your own life. If people attack you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think men should be able to compete in women's sports. That's my opinion. That's your opinion. That's the opinion of a lot of people listening out to us right now. Isn't it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the issue is?

Of course. And it's because I believe deep down they don't think it either, right? These Democrats, whether it's these elected officials, people in Congress, whether it is people like Jemele Hill, especially actually people like Jemele Hill, sports reporters,

who understand, who have been reporting on both men's and women's sports for decades, for years, of course they don't believe that men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities. Of course they don't believe that.

But for some reason, it has just been this hill that they are willing to die on. I don't know if it's the virtue signaling. I don't know if it's the fear of the wrath from the other side. I don't know if they're so bought into like this oppression Olympics that they're willing to proclaim it subtly, right? Yeah.

But you're right. People like Jamel Hill, I asked her the other day, you know, great to hear from you. This is the stance that I've taken. Would love an answer from you. You know, you're a self-proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. How do you feel about men competing in women's sports? And I followed it up by saying silence is an answer to which, of course, she did not answer the question. So that makes it very clear to me where she stands on this.

Riley, happy belated Memorial Day weekend. Keep up the fight, and we appreciate the time today and encourage everybody out there to follow Riley. You can see her shows many different places, including OutKick. See her on Fox News, all over the place. Riley, good stuff. And by the way, congratulations on your book. Super awesome endorsement. Very, very excited for you. Thanks.

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We are joined now by a man who had a major announcement, part of a trio that had a major announcement, breaking down the absolute latest on the COVID shot. Dr. Marty McCary, FDA commissioner. He's author of Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong and What It Means for Our Health. We had him on this program quite a lot during the COVID era. He is fantastic. Congratulations.

Congrats. I don't remember if we've had you on since you were officially confirmed, but congrats on becoming FDA Commissioner Dr. McCary. And what can you tell us about what you guys just announced this morning? We played the audio, but what exactly should people out there know about kids and pregnant women when it comes to the COVID shot?

Well, great to be with you, Clay, and it's good to be back on your show. You know, we are bringing back gold standard science and common sense, and we've got a dilemma in this country, and that is the government keeps pushing every year that every healthy young girl needs a shot every year for the rest of their life.

And the regulatory process has been set up such that no clinical trial or clinical data needs to be submitted each year for the FDA to rubber stamp these COVID shots for young, healthy people. And so we're bringing back...

science to the process. We are saying that in order for this shot to be approved by the FDA in healthy people, we need to see some clinical trial data to support that it works and that it's safe and effective. We can't just blindly rubber stamp these applications each year in perpetuity forever. There was a theory that people could benefit from these shots each year. The theory is unproven. We'd like to see some scientific support.

When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things like our patience is wearing thin and that we were going to have a winter of death.

Will there ever really be any consequences? I know Joe Biden's no longer president, but for people out there who felt pressured because of the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it. I know probably you still are. I know a lot of our audience is. Is this to you, the things that are happening now, a form of sort of resolution and restitution for people out there who feel like they were led astray?

Well, people want closure because they feel that they've been lied to about some of the issues around COVID and the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids who are completely healthy. And so when you look at what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living on an island disconnected from most of the American public.

You have statistics that are mind boggling that speak to that disconnect, like 85% of healthcare workers did not get the COVID booster last season. So on one hand, we've had this government medical establishment machine

pounding and insisting that everybody gets a booster every year for the rest of their life, even if they're totally healthy. And a public that has basically moved on and said, no, thank you. We don't really trust you as much anymore. If you look at the numbers on public trust, they've really gone down the toilet. The amount of percent of Americans that trust doctors and hospitals went from 71 percent just before covid to

to 40% last year. That's a gigantic 31 point drop. And it's because the worst thing you can do in the field of medicine is to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism when the data just is not there to support it. It's an idea. It's a theory.

I'm so glad that you have the role that you do now because you were right on so much and you were willing to take the slings and arrows that came with it. So was Dr. Bhattacharya. So was RFK Jr. I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial board, to Buck's show, to this show, for places out there that were willing to have these conversations.

How much personal validation now do you take for something that I'm sure when you were at Johns Hopkins was getting you unrelenting criticism to be in the position that you are in now alongside of Dr. Bhattacharya, who was very outspoken at Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot of personal consequences, and certainly RFK Jr. now. The three of you who made this announcement today,

How much personal vindication do you feel, and how much do you think you're vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas? The whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority. That's the very basis of science itself. This world that we ended up in where I'm the expert, you aren't allowed to challenge, Dr. Fauci saying I am the science, it's actually the antithesis of everything that science in many ways should represent. Well, it's...

The censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians from respected academic institutions that simply disagreed with Dr. Fauci or asked questions about

about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations. That was an ugly chapter in our nation's history, and I hope we never go back there. We're doing a lot to promote transparency and civil discourse now. I hope we can rebuild trust and the scientific process of wrestling and debating on ideas. At the FDA, we're doing a lot now with the

and bringing in people with different ideas to debate how we can do things differently, how we can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink our food supply.

But to some degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like we lost in some of the battles that we fought during COVID in the Biden administration. We fought like crazy to get the schools back open. And it was very divided. It was very polarizing. And for some crazy reason, it fell along partisan lines it shouldn't have.

And we fought like crazy for the kids. And for the most part, we were not able to get the schools back open during most of that pandemic.

you know, after the fall of 2020 for the next for almost a year after that. So it's a sad chapter. You know, kids are still reeling back and they're trying to recover. We have to, you know, almost rescue these kids now and give them special attention because of the learning loss. And I think the greatest untold story of the COVID battles was that the populations hurt the worst

were the poor and minority communities in the United States. I practiced at the time at Johns Hopkins. And in East Baltimore, I mean, you close those schools and send the kids home with an iPad. It's not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy. And those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided COVID policies. So we're trying to rebuild public trust

Secretary Kennedy's got a great vision. Jay Bhattacharya is doing it. Mehmet Oz is a transformational leader at CMS. And we're doing everything we can at the FDA to focus on our mission of delivering more cures for the American public and healthier food for children.

What do you think having been through these battles? You just hammered. And I think it's the worst part of COVID, frankly, is the fact that the poorest among us, the public school kids, I was a public school kid, K to 12. A lot of them left and didn't come back to school for over a year in physical person. These are the kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors, don't have the ability to go to private school like Gavin Newsom's kids do. We

When you hear Randy Weingarten now say that she was working super hard to try to reopen schools, what's your reaction? Well, her group edited the school website

opening policy of the CDC to make it stricter. And those edits were incorporated in the final version that was published by the Biden administration and the CDC. And that was tragic because you did not have a scientific document. You had a document that was interfered with

by a special interest group at the expense of children. So there's a lot of lessons we should learn from COVID, but I think the biggest lesson is that we should let scientists be scientists and do their job.

The announcement again today, you came on this show for years, and I want to give you credit. I mean, my two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get the COVID shot based on the data. And we talked a lot about natural immunity and the impact that it was going to have. It's been five years, and I know for many people out there, it feels still like the snap of fingers. What has to happen for public trust

trust in health to return to where it was pre-COVID.

I think we have to be successful as a new team coming in. I think we have to be incredibly transparent. I think we have to address the big issues of our day that we are not talking about. You know, COVID was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling class in America create rules for themselves that benefited themselves. They could send their kids to private schools. The country clubs were booming throughout COVID.

They for a lot of the zoomocracy in America, they were going to work now in their pajamas on on, you know, video conferencing come to inner city Baltimore. It was an entirely different story. And you saw sort of the tyranny of the ruling class write rules for themselves. And it's not just with COVID. It is also with COVID.

The the the great public health issues of our day. Why do 40 percent of American kids have a chronic disease? If you think about what we've been taught in medical school, it's this weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids for being sick.

We don't talk about the food supply, the availability of healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all the stuff that are coming up in the Make America Healthy Again report that came out a week ago. That is a fresh new perspective because we can't just keep talking about

financing our broken healthcare system. We have to talk about fixing it. And to fix it, we have to get at these root causes. So we're changing the conversation from just talking about chemotherapy and insulin to actually talking about environmental exposures,

in the food we eat and school lunch programs. You're seeing action on the SNAP waivers by the USDA so that government dollars aren't going to all the sugary junk food in the SNAP program. You're seeing some movement we've never seen before. So to rebuild public trust, in my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best by succeeding at actually making progress on improving the health of the population by addressing these root causes.

Last question for you. When you are out traveling, and we're talking to Dr. Marty McCary, the FDA commissioner, his book is, I want to make sure that I get this right, the most recent book is, Ali, text me that again. I'll get it before we leave. Blind spots. When you still see people wearing masks going on airplanes, when you still see kids sometimes, I can't believe this is happening, still wearing masks, what do you think?

Well, part of me thinks I don't know what their personal clinical situation is. But the other part of me thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy who has been misled and given a false sense of security that if they do this one mitigation step that somehow they're going to help achieve a COVID zero world, which

Remember, for a lot of COVID, there was actually this mindset that we would get to zero COVID, that we would eradicate the virus. And so when I see somebody, I think I don't blame them. I blame the people who have given them the impression that if you wear a mask in public every day for the rest of your life as a young, healthy person,

you're going to somehow live a healthier, greater life. Kids have had their face covered for nearly three years over some of this dogma in parts of the country. And the

The kids are sad. I mean, the kids, there's the one in four teen girls is being treated for depression. And so there are statistics that tell us we've got to not just have a myopic myopic focus on viral transmission of one virus, but instead treat the entire person as a living, beautiful human being. And that's where I hope we can go.

Dr. Marty McCary, congratulations, FDA commissioner of the book Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong and What It Means for Our Health. Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID, and thank you for fighting so hard for a still big announcement today. Appreciate the time. Good to be with you. Thanks, Clay. Dr. Marty McCary, one of the heroes.

Along with Dr. Bhattacharya, I hope that when history is written of the COVID era, that guys like him and guys like Dr. Bhattacharya and many others who were willing to speak up against the tidal wave of inhumanity and anti-science,

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Buck has got the flu, so he is out today. He says he will be back tomorrow. I will be out. I'm going on a family vacation before all the kids' obligations begin to stack up in earnest. So I will be on the road with them. I'll be out the rest of this week and some of next week. And then I will be back, and then we'll be up in...

Washington, D.C. for a little while doing the show. Going to be a lot of fun there. Several other stories that are out there and I encourage you to go download the podcast. Make sure you don't miss a moment. Great guest hits with Riley Gaines and with

Dr. Marty McCary, you just heard from in the second hour. It's just us here in the third hour. And there's several different things that I want to hit that I think are particularly important coming out of the weekend. So I'm going to play several of these things. But I want to start with...

Democrats are now, this is from the New York Times, doing a deep dive on what went wrong in 2024. And they have decided that they need to do a better job of pursuing young men. And this is, this in many ways sounds like,

What you would say when you discover a new tribe that has never had contact with the outside world before. Democrats just sound completely broken when it comes to understanding how to have a conversation with normal men out there.

And I saw this story over the weekend in the New York Times, and I just thought to myself, yes, we should definitely focus on this, Democrats. You'll nail it. This is from the New York Times. The prospectus for one new $20 million effort obtained by the Times aims to reverse the erosion of Democrat support among young men, especially online.

And again, I'm reading from the New York Times. It is codenamed S.A.M. short for Speaking with American Men, a Strategic Plan.

And promises investment to, quote, study the syntax, language, and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces. It recommends buying advertisements in video games, among other things. I have talked about this quite a lot. And this is what my new book is about.

It's about how Democrats lost young men. And I want to tell you a couple of analogies that are in the book. You can go buy it. Some of you are going to gasp a bit when you hear what it's called. But let me first thank President Trump for his endorsement. Some of you may have seen this over the weekend. He posted, this is President Trump. Clay Travis has a great, all caps, new book coming out November 4th, 2025, Black Lives Matter.

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with a link. Again, the book is called, it's going to be out in November, but you can get it for 14 bucks, I think, right now on Amazon. Balls, How Trump, Young Men, and Sports Saved America. And the cover of the book has two basketballs on the cover.

And some of you are going to say, oh my God, like you're so immature. And yes, that probably is somewhat true. But I also want for people to be gripped by the argument and the cover of a book is not surprisingly an opportunity to grab people and make them think about something or see something that they may not have seen before. And

And so I've spent a great deal of time in the last several months diving into the data, analyzing what exactly is going on with young men. And I want to hit you with a couple of stories that...

really are in the book. And again, the book's going to be out in November. I think you guys are really going to like it. If you're audio book people, I'll be reading it. Buck has got a great new book that's going to be out in January too. So we'll have a couple of good books. And I imagine that he's going to be reading his book too. So for those of you that are going to be on the road and don't necessarily want to read the book itself, you can get the audio version. But it's up on Amazon. It's only $14.

And it'll be right there. And I appreciate President Trump for endorsing the book. They said, hey, how do you want to announce the book? And I said, well, I'd like for President Trump to announce it. I didn't know if he would. But on Sunday night, they popped me and said, hey, President, he's going to be endorsing your book. He loves it. He's excited about the concept. And Trump gets it, right? Trump gets young men. But I want to talk to you. If you've got kids or grandkids, I want to hit you with a couple of stories.

Sometimes we don't see the world through the eyes of people who are of different ages than us, even though we might see many of the same things that they do. And I've got two stories that are examples and anecdotes that are in the book that really kind of crystallize the world for me.

You guys know I have three boys, so I think about this quite a lot. Right now they are 17, 14, and 10. Got one who's going to be a rising senior, rising ninth grader, rising fifth grader. So fairly different ages. But in the COVID era in 2020, my then nine-year-old, my middle son, like a lot of your kids or grandkids, was obsessed with football cards, basketball cards, baseball cards.

I loved them when I was a kid. My boys got really into them as well.

YouTube has really, I think, fueled this because you unpack, you open these, you break, as they call it, these cards, and you go through and you look at them, and they have all sorts of special cards. Really very cool. I mean, it takes me back in time every time I walk into a card shop with my boys. And it just reminds me of being in the 1980s, 1990s, for many of you, 60s, 70s, whenever you were into 2000s,

baseball cards, football cards, basketball cards. And we were going to Target during the COVID era. Everything, you know, by and large shut down. My kids are really fired up about cards even more. This is when YouTube, it kind of took off people, card value skyrocketed a lot of people sitting around watching. And we walked into Target.

And this is before the Target tuck bathing suits went crazy, before Target's Pride Month insanity. We walked in, and my nine-year-old

points to the very first clothing display in our local Target. This is Franklin, Tennessee. This is a red county in a red state. I'm not talking about walking in Times Square or something into a Target. This is Franklin, Tennessee, where I live, in Williamson County, just south of Nashville, Tennessee. Red county, red state. And he just said they would never have

anything like, and I'm paraphrasing him, they would never have that for us. And I didn't really know what he was talking about. We looked over. He said they would never, and there's this huge display, all of girl power t-shirts, girls rule, girls dominate, whatever it is, and girl power. He said they would never sell boy power shirts, Dad. I thought, you know, it's really very interesting. I mean, I hadn't thought about it.

Because I'm a generation older than him, and the generation that I grew up in is boys and girls should be equal. Boys and girls should all be able to be doctors or lawyers. You should all be able to pursue whatever career you want to. We should allow, regardless of whether you're a boy or girl, girls and boys to have equal success. And I went to law school at Vanderbilt, met his mom there. There were more girls in my law school class than boys.

And there are way more girls now that graduate from college than boys who graduate from college, like 60-40. And you can imagine if 60% of college degrees still went to men instead of women, we would hear about it all the time. It would be one of the top talking points. Oh, look how sexist, look how the patriarchy still dominates. I mean, we're talking about 60% of college degrees go to women, and the majority now of graduate degrees go to women too.

And yet you walk into a Target store, according to my then nine-year-old, and they get the message all the time, girls rule, boys basically stink. And they would never have a boy power t-shirt, and he was right. And shortly thereafter, they go to public school, K-6, all my boys have. One of their friends came in to the house, and he was talking about they had been having a history lesson at school,

And the history lesson that he had taken as a young white kid was white people, white boys, white men ruin everything. And he was kind of jokingly sitting around and he was like, you know, Mr. Clay, they tell us that we have all this power. And he's like, my mom doesn't even let me pick what I get to eat for dinner. And it's funny, but it's also kind of sad because we've raised this entire generation of boys and

that has been told, not just white kids, black kids, Asian kids, Hispanic kids, hey, being a man, being a boy, there's something wrong with it. Your masculinity is toxic. And what I grapple with in this book is imagine that we raised an entire generation of boys and we told them that their identity was toxic. And then we shut down their schools and we shut down their sports teams and

And we told them that COVID was dangerous and masculinity is toxic and they didn't get to go to prom and they didn't get to finish their basketball season or their soccer seasons. And young girls are part of this too, but I think boys in particular is what I focused on because of the data. They're profoundly angry. Young white, Hispanic, Asian, and black men are profoundly angry. And I really think that Trump...

even though he's their grandfather, channels their anger at the establishment that took away part of their youth, that told all of them at birth, hey, you're toxic because you're masculine. Is it any wonder that they would be deeply searching for purpose in life? And then you downgrade religion. You tell them that being a provider is,

is somewhat toxic too that they should be beta male versions of themselves they are fundamental fundamentally rejecting what i would call is the girl power era and they're saying there's nothing wrong with being a boy there's nothing wrong with growing up to be a man and i think that a lot of moms out there right now are listening because you're raising boys

And I think a lot of grandmas are looking around like, when did all the men in the world turn into pussy willows? And I think that Trump has channeled that anger. And I also think that the younger boys are actually more conservative than the young boys who broke in huge numbers. And there's a big data analysis in this book, Balls. And again, you've got to grab people's attention. There's a big part in the book. Do you know...

The two Trumpiest voting groups in America in the 2024 election were men over the age of 65 and young men 24 and younger. I bet never in history have young men and older men been more aligned than they are right now. And the older men are like, this whole generation is BS. But you know what the younger men are saying? You're right, Grandpa. This whole generation is BS. Now, people like me are kind of in the middle.

Right? Because I think we grew up in the era of, hey, women should be able to be successful. Yeah, good. Go be a doctor. Go be a lawyer. That's fine. But I think this younger generation, it's moved from women should be successful to men are bad. We have dragged down men to elevate women. And I think they see it. They feel it. They're being taught it. And so this book that I wrote is a complete examination of that era.

And I don't think anybody else has told the story. Again, it comes through the world of sports, COVID, all of it rolls together to create what may be the most conservative generation that any of us have ever seen in terms of young men. And I see it as a dad because the younger men are moving even more conservative. And the line of demarcation to me is COVID. COVID was the breaking point.

The point in time where a lot of these young men said, no, we're being lied to. If you lied to me about COVID, why should I listen to you about gender issues? Why should I trust you on anything? And I think Trump and his disruptive bravery, I'll talk about that in a sec when I come back, connects with them on a visceral level, white, black, Asian, Hispanic. It's not just white kids. It's young men of all ages. The data is reflecting.

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