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Can the U.S.-Ukrainian Rift Be Healed?

2025/3/6
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Ryan Evans: 我认为泽连斯基公开与特朗普争吵只会伤害乌克兰。在社交媒体上,我受到了许多批评,甚至收到了极端恶意的评论。我多年来一直在警告欧洲需要为一个更危险的时代做好准备,这个时代可能已经到来。我批评乌克兰领导层是为了帮助他们取得胜利,我希望能帮助人们理解战略、国防和外交事务,即使这有时意味着说出一些令人不快的事实。 Constanze Stelzenmüller: 泽连斯基被警告要保持冷静,但他最终还是失去了耐心,导致美国军事援助和情报支持被切断。泽连斯基对在没有美国安全保证的情况下与俄罗斯进行外交的想法泼了冷水。欧洲正在采取前所未有的措施应对当前的危机,包括放松财政规则和动员私人资本。马克龙公开谈论俄罗斯威胁,并提出向欧洲其他国家开放法国核威慑。 Melinda Haring: 乌克兰人对泽连斯基的表现感到自豪,认为他勇敢地为他们站了出来。美国人对于乌克兰问题的看法并不一致,特朗普的乌克兰政策并未得到广泛支持。乌克兰社会承受着巨大的压力,许多人患有创伤后应激障碍,但他们会继续战斗。 Justin Logan: 欧洲感到被美国抛弃,这可能是促使他们采取更多行动的原因。俄罗斯在乌克兰的战争罪行被实时记录并传播,欧洲人对此有深刻的认识。 Michael Kofman: 泽连斯基认为这次会面是与特朗普接触的机会,但双方在停火和安全保证上没有事先达成一致。如果泽连斯基在会面中有专业翻译在场,情况可能会更好。泽连斯基在与拜登政府会面时也发生了类似的争吵,显示出他在外交场合的固执。乌克兰方面感到美国正在迅速与俄罗斯结盟,这使他们处于防御状态。美国对乌克兰的军事援助暂停,乌克兰军队将不得不开始节省弹药。如果沒有美国和欧洲的支持,乌克兰早就输掉了这场战争。俄罗斯的军事重建是时间问题,欧洲在没有美国的情况下无法进行大规模作战。不稳定的停火对乌克兰来说意味着战争可能会重新爆发。

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The episode dives into the aftermath of President Zelensky's contentious meeting at the White House, examining the diplomatic fallout and the suspension of U.S. military aid to Ukraine.
  • Zelensky was warned to stay calm during the meeting but eventually lost his temper.
  • The U.S. suspended military aid and intelligence support to Ukraine following the meeting.
  • There was significant media commentary on the misunderstanding and underlying conflict during the meeting.

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Last week, a meeting with President Zelensky of Ukraine at the White House exploded into acrimony in front of the cameras). Since then, an era-defining drama has been unfolding across the West as Europe prepares for a world where it might not be backed by U.S. military power. U.S. military aid and at least some intelligence support for Ukraine have also been suspended. What happened? And what happens next?   To answer these questions, Ryan was joined by Constanze Stelzenmüller (Brookings), Melinda Haring (Razom), Justin Logan (Cato), and Michael Kofman (Carnegie).    The letter referenced by Stelzenmüller can be read here: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_684