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The Puzzling Diplomacy over Ukraine's Future

2025/2/28
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Ryan Evans: 我认为乌克兰未来的外交复杂且难以预测，特朗普与普京的对话让泽连斯基感到被排除在外，泽连斯基公开批评特朗普，特朗普则反过来指责泽连斯基。矿产协议的谈判也陷入僵局。 Justin Logan: 我认为重要的是不要将乌克兰与更广泛的特朗普欧洲政策分开。特朗普政府的政策试图重新调整跨大西洋关系的努力平衡，他们将乌克兰视为一系列需要重新调整的欧洲问题的一部分。 Liana Fix: 我认为特朗普政府的目标是实现美俄关系正常化，而乌克兰只是其中的一个子问题。特朗普最初对俄罗斯采取最大压力策略，但很快失去耐心，转而寻求与俄罗斯的双边谈判。特朗普似乎认为乌克兰属于俄罗斯势力范围，并认为乌克兰挑起了战争。 Michael Kofman: 我认为特朗普希望尽快结束俄乌战争，并可能希望获得诺贝尔和平奖。他希望将乌克兰问题交给欧洲处理，减少美国的参与。矿产协议的谈判是试图让特朗普继续支持乌克兰，但最终失败了。欧洲国家需要决定是否要为其过去三年的政治言论提供资源，并愿意成为对其自身大陆安全负责任的独立行动者。

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The podcast discusses the confusing diplomacy surrounding Ukraine's future, particularly focusing on Trump's actions and their impact on negotiations. The conversation begins by outlining Trump's interactions with Putin, Zelensky's criticisms, and the subsequent breakdown of negotiations. The panelists analyze this from the perspective of US-Russia relations and Trump's desire for normalization.
  • Trump's early talks with Putin left Zelensky feeling excluded
  • Zelensky's public criticism of Trump led to a deterioration in relations
  • Trump's goal was US-Russia relations normalization, with Ukraine a secondary concern
  • Trump believed Ukraine should have accepted Russia's claims to avoid war

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Nothing about the war in Ukraine is simple — including the diplomacy, which might be even messier than the battlefield. Michael Kofman, Justin Logan (Cato), and Liana Fix (the Council on Foreign Relations) joined Ryan to help him understand the negotiations underway about Ukraine's fate. From the minerals deal to Zelensky's approach to Trump to the prospects for a European peacekeeping force, they cover it all, and have a few friendly arguments along the way.