#2803 RHOBH S1420 : Dude Where’s My Garcelle?
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And that, I think, is all the big announcements I have for today. Great time. So let's get to Reunion Part 3 of Reunion Beverly Hills Season 14. Here we go. Glad they made this three parts. We really needed it. No, two-part reunions at the most. Yeah, this third one was supersized. It was not only three parts. Yeah, it felt long. That's why.

Yeah. Also, it's been like 20 hours. They've been sitting in this room. They've been sitting in this room for 10 days. They look exhausted. Just Jennifer Chili. Furious.

Jennifer Tilly looks like she wants to be out of there. She's just sitting there chewing on candy in the corner, giving people looks like, "Oh really?" And just ready to go play some poker somewhere. Jennifer Tilly has diabetes by the time she leaves this reunion. She's eating so much candy by the end. She's like, "Why is the room spinning?" Yeah.

And she doesn't really have anything to do. Like, she says a few lines here or there, but she's basically like, why am I sitting here for so many hours? Why have they not excused me yet? I've got nothing to do. Yeah. So we pick up where we left off, which is where Dorit is poking, poking, poke. I'm giving Sutton a little poke, Sutton.

Do you like a little alcohol with that? Would you, son? Would you? And finally said, Dorit, I do not need for you to tell me that there is more to life than a big bank account. There are also big cars. There are big houses.

There are big children, which thankfully I don't have. I calorie control my children. Okay. I mean, I don't understand why you think you're superior to anyone. And Sutton is like, well, I don't think I'm superior to anyone. Oh, maybe just you and maybe anyone who's poor. Well, you certainly behave like it. And I know you're used to buying people and buying gifts and trying to joke around. But Sutton, there is more to life than that. What world is...

am I trying to buy people? Everyone look under your seat. You've got $1,500 purses. I wish they had included that Sutton bought everybody like $1,500 Gucci purses or whatever the hell kind of purse she bought. I don't know what kind they are. Yeah. So Sutton's like, who have I tried to buy? Who? Who? Who? She's like, well, you throw around your money, quote unquote money. Yeah.

whatever those green rectangles you carry in your purse are, allegedly that is called cash. I wouldn't know because whenever I have it, it's stolen out of my bag. Yeah. And we mentioned this on the Crappy Hour show, but Dorit and PK apparently paid like 300 bucks to get their mortgage back in good standing. So good for them. But at this point, they had not done that. So she's very mad. And Sutton's like, I tried to buy honey, honey.

Honey, how do you like that? I just said, honey, because you've said honey a lot to people in this episode. There, finally, Sutton has arrived. Sutton is now at the reunion. I said honey in a sarcastic way.

Oh, here she comes. Here she comes. And Sutton's like, well, you've been calling people honey all day. Okay. And so Jennifer's like, well, I'm going to say that Sutton is very generous. And I don't really feel like she really tries to buy anyone. Like, she'll give people gifts and things like that. You know, it's like small little drink. It's like...

And Kathy's like, yo, she's frugal. And Erica's like, oh, now Kathy's calling her cheap. You called her cheap? Call her cheap again, bitch. It was good. That was a good one, Kathy. So Garcelle's like, what? She's definitely not cheap. I'll say that. I'm not going to say much this reunion, but I will say Sutton is not cheap.

And so now we're talking about the 4th of July party. Garcelle, you accused Bo of being Dorit's spokesperson. And now Garcelle is just like, oh, Garcelle is just rolling her eyes like, I had another question for me. Let's just beat up Garcelle. Bring out a bat.

Well, is there a part of you that should be pleased that Dorit has a spokesperson who can deliver her message succinctly? And DePose is like, huh? I thought that was a funny question. And she's like, well, look, I was having a bad morning. All right. Listen, I woke up to find that my screener for Black Girl Missing was missing. Do you know how difficult it is to call a Black Girl Missing office and say Black Girl Missing is missing? It's very confusing. Yeah.

It's Missing Squared. And Garcelle, yeah. Originally for the title, I had to explain to them, squared doesn't mean doubled. I mean. Well, I had a very difficult morning and I gave a copy of Black Girl Missing to a friend and I said, here's a present. It's Black Girl Missing present.

And then my friend said, is it missing or is it a present? I said, it's a present. So the black girl's not missing. I said, no, the black girl's missing. So it's not a present. I said, no, it is a present. Went on for about 30 minutes. All right, let me just rephrase that. Black girl missing here. I'm missing my black girl missing present. To where's she missing from presently? And that's the last time I tried to give Dorita Screener.

So she's like, you know, she's like, look, she came over and said, like, hey, guys, what's going on? And Boze was like, oh, really? Well, you're acting like there needed to be an investigation, huh? And what I knew was Sutton wanted to leave. And the question was, why is she sitting there? That's what I wanted to ask. If she wanted to leave, just let her go. Let her go.

Well, I didn't ask them to chase after me either. Well, I know you didn't. And so that's why I even went in the after show when you said I wasn't... You basically said I was an angry-like woman, basically. And Garcelle's like, what? And Bo's like, yes, this one said it. She said it. And so we see a flashback. I'm sorry, stop yelling at me. I can't hear through all the yelling. What are you saying? You're so aggressive right now. You're so aggressive. Please don't hit me. Please. Please. Which, for the record...

Yes, Bose literally never yelled. So we see the after show and Sutton is telling Jennifer Tilly and Garcelle, she says, I mean, I'm like, what did I do, Bose, to make you almost angry at me? I didn't understand where that was coming from. I cannot believe that Sutton's reaction wasn't like, I didn't call you angry. I called you almost angry. It's very different. Am I not allowed to call people almost angry anymore? Look, she didn't say angry black woman. It's almost as if

of that phrase it was a black woman missing so stupid sudden i mean look the sudden should know by now like come on seriously this is not your first time in this rodeo

What the fuck is wrong with you? And then she makes it even worse because she goes, well, I don't remember you were saying angry without it almost at the beginning. She's like, oh, you did. You did. And Garcelle didn't even pick up on it. And she goes, well, I didn't even hear it. You know, I'm hearing it for the first time. Sometimes when you're friends with Sutton, the best thing to do is just tell your ears no. Yeah. Don't listen.

And she's like, I wasn't calling you an angry black woman. I was just saying, you know, maybe almost angry. And Jennifer's like, oh, here's what you said. I hope that this helps. Hold on. Okay. You know, Werther's originals are hard to chew, but they're hard to swallow. So anyway, here's what she said. I don't know why she's so angry at me. There, I hope that I fixed it.

Bose is like, then Sutton goes, well, because you were kind of yelling at me, which is like, okay. Sutton could have maybe gotten away of saying like, well, you seemed a little angry at me, which Bose was not actually angry. Bose was just like, why are you acting like this? But then when she says you were yelling at me, Bose is like, um, she's like, uh, yeah, that is, there was not, uh, there was not a yelling. So she's like, um, see, now you got to straighten up. Cause I don't say I was yelling because I don't yell. No one has ever seen me yell here. Um,

And she goes, okay, all right, all right. Let me, let me phrase it. You were strong and aggressive and yelling and angry, like, and super angry and scary. Like, okay, is that better? Okay. Next time I'll just say, I wish we had metal detectors. Cause I'm about to get killed with a weapon by, by very angry, upset, screaming person up in there. So stupid. Such thing is like, and look, I know we're making light of this, but yeah,

like it's just an idiot I mean what are you gonna do there's no standing up for setting on this one okay but we're not even gonna do it it's in a gothic um you know I think that this lady clearly was not angry and it's also it's very sudden you know I guess if there was a defense for Sutton it would be like she does this to everybody she accuses everybody of yelling at her I mean even in this reunion when Garcelle's like this really hurt my feelings sounds like I

They all hate me. Like, it's not you. We're not talking about you. But Sutton makes everything like she's the biggest victim in every situation. Everybody's yelling at her. But still, like, she should know better than to be. And especially when being called out on it. To be like, oh, well, I didn't call you were angry. I just said you were yelling at me. Yeah, the yelling was actually worse. When she said you were yelling at me.

Like, that's like the angry thing is already wrong. But like, she could have like, she could have said like, no, I'm not saying like, you're an angry person or whatever. It just felt like you were like, you seem like there was some friction or whatever. I used the wrong word. But when you start saying yelling, there's like, just not even any evidence. She just compounds her problems, you know, fucking stupid. So basically, she goes, well, okay, let me say it this way. You came in strong.

Can I say that? And she goes, well, I am strong. And so it's like, well, okay, well, well, but you didn't know what was going on. Okay. Which maybe you could hear if you weren't screaming at me right now. And Boze is like, oh, well, it didn't take a rocket scientist to understand what was going on. You were sitting there crying by a door. And Andy's like, okay, well, here's what it was. I'm just going to say, because it was so good. I love this part. What a great season. Garcelle said,

asked about Butt Suttons drink with watermelon and it became an alcohol discussion. So Bose, did Dorit mean the comment about the alcohol as a harmless joke? What was your reaction to that?

"No, I think she was intentional, but I told her that she knew what she was doing, 'cause I invented intentionality!" And Sutton's like, "She knew exactly what she was doing, but I told her that, remember? Didn't you hear what I just said? I told her that." And so Sutton's like, "Yeah, but it's a bit of a two-year thing that she's been doing." "Oh, what is that? That I'm making it look like you have a drinking problem?" She's like, "Well, yeah, keep bringing it up, Dorit. Just keep on bringing it up on camera, Dorit."

Oh, am I the only person in this group who calls you an "e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e

Well, here's one that you did do, Dorit, on Instagram. Someone commented, Sutton's behavior changed on a dime because she's a drunk. And you commented, hashtag facts. And Sutton goes, oh, yeah, facts. That's what she said. She said facts. And Dorit's just like, ooh, yes. Mm-hmm. Yes. Well, I don't really know what to say about that. I will say that when I did it, I was super drunk.

To be fair, here's really what happened, Andy. I enjoyed that comment so much, I wanted to fax it over to PK. So I told Siri, please fax this, and instead she wrote down hashtag facts. So it was a simple misunderstanding, and I never would have written that down, even though it is a blatant fact that Sutton is an alcoholic.

I meant fax Sutton and tell her she's an alcoholic. I was trying to help you. So she's like, you know, it's funny, Sutton. It's funny. She does that, like grabbing a little mosquito out of the air. It's funny.

Because this narrative that I'm perpetuating actually started from you. It started from you. Do not remember. When you did press in 2020, I have it taped up in my closet. There's no clothes there anymore. And I said, and you said, I have my first drink at 10 a.m. Do you remember? Do you remember?

Oh, I was joking. Okay. Listen, I was joking. Okay. First, I was drunk when I said that. Okay. It was a joke. I mean, COVID or something like that. I don't know. 2024. What year was that? Do you not remember? Do you not remember when you said it?

uh shut up like to read it's not even wrong about some stuff i'm just by this point is three hours of dory now dorit is yelling constantly in this call her angry you know tell her she's yelling yeah dory's just like going on and on about nothing over and over again i'm kind of sick of treat i do like that people pointed out the threads that are pulling up her face though because that's all i can stare at now and i'm like i want threads how do they get the threads in there

I want that. I just want threads to come under my skin and just start pulling my shit up. They don't take the skin. They just pull it in a different way. I would look like this with threads. Yeah, soon. Soon, you can do it.

So Dorit's like, the reality is that that is the reality. And you don't want to make it a big thing, then don't do what you do, which is get drunk all the time. And Sam's like, well, that's my business to talk about, okay? If I want to get drunk in the morning, in the afternoon, at the night, all times of the day, that is my choice. And Dorit's like, well, how am I supposed to know when you are joking and everyone's making jokes about it and you're walking around with a big ocean spray, the most obvious sign of alcoholism?

No, an obvious sign of alcoholism would be walking around with vodka, which I don't doubt that Sutton does as well. I feel like Sutton probably walks around with little airline bottles of vodka and with ocean spray. The point is...

I'm allowed to say when I'm an alcoholic, not you, you know? And they don't really do it. So they just like go around in circles about this. Like, oh my God, are you an alcoholic? Why can't I make fun of you for being an alcoholic? Why am I not allowed to make fun? You talk about it all the time. And so she's like, well, you know, if I wanted to paint you as an alcoholic, I would have done a hell of a lot more than what I've done. Do you understand me?

She's right, because she just would have walked into a party and said, "Oh look, there's Sutton Strack, she's a severe alcoholic!" Like PK. So, um... So Andy's like, "Is that a threat?" "Yeah, why do you make a threat like that?" She's like, "It's not, it's not a threat. Is it a promise? It's not a threat or a promise." "Uh, it's a joke. And by a joke I mean a threat. And a promise." "And by a joke and promise, I mean there's actually something very serious that's hadn't been admitted to in 2020!"

So Andy's like, okay, well, I mean, listen, you know, to be fair, Sutton, this only did come up one time this season, you know? And that's kind of true. She made one little joke and then Sutton made it a big thing like, oh, she's trying to insinuate I'm a...

Alcoholic. And also, in Dorit's defense, if Sutton's going to be like... If Sutton writes down something, tweets out something like, oh, God, it's 10 a.m., I guess it's time for my first vodka. Like, this is the lifestyle, right? Like, the ab-fab kind of thing when locked up in COVID. Then, like, is it possible that Dorit was just trying to, like, kind of yes and her a little bit? I mean, I don't think she was. I think it was passive-aggressive. But, you know, like...

Like, Dorit had that defense too. Like, if you're gonna say it's a joke, then Dorit can say it's a joke. Well, I mean, Dorit, you know, Sutton walks around calling her poor and Dorit walks around calling her a drunk. And that's just kind of their thing. And then they get all moral against each other because one thing is supposedly worse than the other thing.

But I don't, I don't think it is. And also Dorit's big thing to use against people, cause she used it against PK all year, is that they're an alcoholic. Well, you know, watch your fucking mouth. You live in Beverly Hills. Who's not an alcoholic? Have you driven? I mean, they can't even, they have a five way stop sign in a circle with no lines. What do you think that means? That whole town was designed by an alcoholic. Have you seen how that town's laid out? It makes no sense. It's not smart. It's a triangle in it. It doesn't make sense.

Sandy's like, well, the low blows continued. They call something a post office where no people who deliver mail could ever live. Just

It's a confusing place. Just try to like drive around like Rodeo and Beverly and all those things and everything's going in different directions. It's really, it's a shit show in there. Who do you think named a street rodeo and then insisted it was called Rodeo? A drunk person, okay? Why don't drunk people get enough respect? Drunk people do things too, okay? Drunk people contribute to society. Get off our asses. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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Well, Andy is like, well, the low blows continued because Lisa Barlow described Dorit as pretty. And Sutton said, when you've had enough surgery, anyone could be pretty. And then Andy said, Dorit then hit back and said, why hasn't Sutton done it yet then? That's pretty good. And Sutton's like, oh, she hit back hard. That was hard. Do you know how hard that hit? That hit harder than a shot of vodka without oser spray inside of it. See?

And she's like, well, that's what's going to happen, Sutton. You're going to hit. I'm going to hit back harder. She's like, oh, another threat. Another threat. Terror level orange. Dirty as my ass. No, it's not a threat. I'm letting you know. And she's like, so it's a promise.

Oh, okay. I was like, yeah, guys, it's a promise. Yeah. It's like, okay, got it. Got it. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Those days are done now. I'm done with the threats. I'm here to the promises. So Sutton's just like doing her lipstick in the reflection of a flask she's pulled out of her purse. She's like, I don't think we're going to get anywhere. Okay. Can we just get going with this? Thank you. Move on.

All right. Well, things came to a head in St. Lucia when Erica said that Sutton has a tendency to kick women down at their lowest. And Jennifer, you know Sutton the best. Do you see this as a pattern of behavior that the other women are talking about?

Well, I haven't really witnessed that, and I have known Satan for a very long time. But in this group, you know, it does seem like maybe Satan is asking questions of people when they're not really in a place to answer the questions. You know, maybe if someone is

extremely poor or down on their luck, Sutton will say, "What is it like being poor or down on your luck?" I remember one time Dorit said, "You better watch your mouth," and Sutton said, "What are you going to do? Come after me with your Salvation Army?" So maybe, you know, maybe it just hits wrong if you don't know Sutton very well.

Yeah, well, sometimes, this is Erica speaking, not Andy, and I just like to say, sometimes those questions hurt, okay? It's like, well, other people in this group also ask you questions, Erica. Yeah, and Garcelle's like, oh, yeah, yeah, she knows that. She's like, yeah, I do know that, you know, but we're talking about you right now, okay? We're talking about you, Marco.

So Sutton's like, oh, really? And did Kyle and Dorit also kick you when you were down? Because I seem to remember I wasn't the only one kicking there. Okay? There was a lot of kicking. Those were not only my feet. Okay? Ballet is not a one-person sport. We were all in there pirouetting all over your stupid poor ass. Am I right? Well, we were all... Okay, we're talking about you right now because we like to protect each other, so we're only going to talk about you. And I've already cussed them out privately. By cussing them out, we just sort of had some...

lot pastries and by lot pastries I mean a few crumbs because we don't have more than that and then we just laughed and Kyle's like yeah she didn't feel like we supported her as much as Lisa Rinna but like we never kicked her when she was down we just did a few performative questions on camera so that the audience would think that we were holding her up to some sort of standard so

So Erica's like, "Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not rambling on this. This is my question. Listen, I didn't have much going on in this storyline, so shut up, bitches. All right? We're talking about what happened in St. Lucia and why I feel what I did and why I said what I said. And I said what I said because I feel what I feel and I ate what I ate when I said it." So everybody understands. I am what I am. So it's like, well, what's the difference between them kicking you down and her kicking you down? And Kyle finally is just like, "It's intent. It's intent."

Yeah, and Andy's like, okay, so you think her intent with you and with Dorit and Kyle was to humiliate me, it was to force a reaction out of me, as opposed to Kyle and Dorit who just wanted to ask a few softball questions, that way America wouldn't get mad at them. Yeah. Well, let's see. CoffeeFromCop on Twitter says, Sutton yells and throws tantrums when people clock her hypocrisy and bad behavior. Garcelle, what's your response to that? And she's like,

well i mean sometimes you know what i don't know it depends on who's pushing their buttons i mean i don't know why are we still doing this is this over have we had lunch yet i'm exhausted by this i've been hurt i've been very very hurt in this reunion andy and i don't really care about this anymore and he's like uh are you okay and she's like i'm pissed and she says he says what are you pissed about and she's like all of it you know since i sat here on this couch i don't even want to answer any more questions honestly

Do you feel like people are piling on Sutton? I'm not thinking about Sutton right now. I'm thinking about me. I've had to answer three or four questions that were a little bit unpleasant. So I'm just pissed. I'm really pissed right now.

So something's like, oh, that's great. This is a me segment. Good or bad. Okay. No press is bad. Press. Shut up. So I think that I get very rattled by this group. So I feel very not well liked, you know, much like a rattlesnake. What do they ever do? Rattle, rattle, rattle. You drop their heads off. Really? What's their nice?

Listen, I want to like you, son. I just want to trust you, too. She said, well, it seems to me like you don't really like me and you don't really want to be my friend. Are you looking at me? What, you think I don't like you just because I just think you're a piece of shit garbage you kick women when they're down? I mean, nah, whatever. This was so good when she changes, Erica changes the whole thing and says, like, you don't like me, she goes, what? What in the world would I ever do to give you that impression, son?

I love you. We're like sisters. I mean, come on. We're like granddaughter, grandmother. You know, you're like my mamaw. I don't hate my mamaw. Even when I think she's wrong, you've always got gum in your purse. And by gum, I mean vodka. I mean, look, just because you remind me of all the traumatic aspects of growing up in the South doesn't mean I don't like you. It just means that you make me feel a bit in my stomach when I see you coming and I don't want to ever talk with you and I actually try to run away from you. But I like you.

Well, then why do you say that I kick women down? You do kick women down, but who cares? A lot of people kick women down. I mean, please, how many people have you seen over the two years begging for their money back that I told to go fuck themselves? Now, listen.

Kicking women is fun. You just got to choose the right women to kick. Not me. Do not kick me now. Listen, I have a great heart, as you will soon see when I tell everyone that I'm not willing to see my dying husband as he enters the last few years of his life. I have a great heart, and I'm moving forward with my life, and I'm in a better place. So, you know, hooray for me.

So Sutton's like, well, I guess I can do better. You know, and I did feel a little bit ganged up on the boat. And Kyle's like, but no one said anything except arrogant at that moment. So I don't even know where you're coming after us about that. Grass went onto her crystal. She's like, ah, crystal.

Dorit said something, and it felt like I was being ganged up on because I've been ganged up on in the past, okay? And Kyle's like, "Yeah, and it doesn't feel good to be ganged up on." "I know for sure, everyone!" And Erica's like, "You know, I've been ganged up, it doesn't feel good, we all have, we've all--" Everyone's doing the, like-- Everyone's doing, like, "So have I!" They're all just trying to take away that, like, Sutton felt ganged up on by basically nullifying it by like, "Yeah, but me too, bitch!"

Well, they seem to get to have a victory tour with it. Of course, they all make it about themselves, which is what you're saying. But Sutton's making this about herself, too, because it's like a Garcelle question. Garcelle's like, I'm furious. I'm not answering. Okay, just ignore her and go back to what we're talking about. But yeah, they're all the biggest victims in the room. But that is also kind of part of the show, right? It's like...

Well, Kyle loves to say, Kyle's like, well, I've been ganged up on too. And yet Kyle is more than happy to take 25 minutes on like a reunion every single year to be like, it was just like really hard for me because I just felt like, I'd like know what I'm at back. And I'm here just like trying to share with everyone. And like, no,

no one's listening and all I'm getting is just like I'm getting it from all angles and like I open my mouth and I hear it from this person and that person and that person it's just like really hard it's just hard because I've got daughters and I don't want to ruin their lives like she gets to have the floor for 20 minutes talking about how she gets ganged up on and the moment that someone else says like well I felt ganged up on even though

son was completely not ganged up on when she says i felt ganged up on kyle completely does not let her have the floor and have her moment yeah um it's gonna make this a kyle issue i'm gonna prosecute kyle over this that's the one this this is the episode where kyle does that monologue too it's like oh god here we go when she started that shit i was like i'm just kidding here we go the annual kyle cries and talks about how mean everybody is so then um

And she's like, Sutton, you have to recognize. If you can't recognize, there's no way forward. Now, what is this? What is this piece of fruit? It's an orange. Congratulations. You recognize one thing in the world. Now, I do want a way forward with you. I do want a way. And she's like, well, what do you want me to recognize exactly? Hello, you go. Hello. Hello, you go. Hello, can you go? Limbo, limbo.

Well, I did go low. 100% I went low. I went almost as low as your bank account. But I promise I will not do that ever again. Now, I did go low. But unlike you, I did not overdraft. So do I get credit for that? You know, as Michelle Obama said, when they go low, you run away because that means they're probably poor. Yeah.

All right, let's leave it there. All right, Garcelle, before we move on to a package about how the world has hurt Kyle, I wanted to ask you, you're steaming over there. Steaming. So I want to know if you want to tell, I'm allowed to say steaming, right guys? Am I allowed to say steaming? Anybody? Okay, good.

I just want to know if you want to tell me what pissed you off so much. And she's like, well, all of it. Is it because I said, I'm really not sure. Sutton, could you just take these questions and ask the most offensive things possible? Okay. Darcelle, why are you yelling right now? Can you control yourself? It has to come from Sutton. So she's like, all of it. He goes, but all of what? And Kathy's like, well, I wasn't here. So I want to hear what's going on. Hmm.

Well, I don't want to get into it, but I don't think I ever get any grace in this group. I didn't feel it today. We talk about accountability. I stand by the things I say. And even though I'm taking accountability for them, it's not accepted. It's not. Not one person looked at me and smiled. It's like you can't even accuse someone of orchestrating their own home invasion and their trauma anymore.

I mean, when can you, if you can't just tell someone, you know, you think they're a lesbian on TV and then they get mad at you and you stand by what you said and they just don't get over it. I mean, absolutely unbelievable. Unbelievable. I think she, I'm assuming she's saying she wanted Garcelle. I mean, she wanted Sutton to stand up for her a little bit or like have her back or someone. Right. But since you just left there hanging out to dry. I,

I mean, I think that that's true. I think she's also just like, fuck these fake people. You know what I mean? I said my truth and now we're just going to pretend like nothing was ever said and they're just going to go on fighting over this stupid shit and just ignore me now, you know? And she's also probably like, you know, you call me boring, but you're the ones who are hiding all the good stuff in your lives. And then you're going to make it seem like I'm the one who's at fault here.

you know, I'm trying to show you everything I can. I just don't have much going on in my life. I made a movie, I made a movie and I built a house in Oxnard and, and you're going to call me boring when you're the one who spent the entire season getting wallpaper and you still won't give a straight answer about Tom Girardi. And you're the one who is like crying about your marriage falling apart. We spent all last season, uh,

complaining about your husband and flirting with another person. And then you're going to deny any of that. And then you don't even want to bring it up anymore. You shove it in our face and then we can't even talk about it, but I'm the boring one. I'm the one who's at fault here for this show. That's probably what was going through her mind. Cause I know me and I would probably do the same thing. Well, yeah, but the problem is it's housewives and she needs to say that because she's

She does need to. This is her fatal flaw. Her whole thing is like, I'm pissed. And then she's just going to shut down, which is her right. And as we were saying last week, she loses either way. Because then she does get mad and tell everybody off. And they're going to be like, oh, there she goes, falling into the angry black woman trope and all of that stuff. But I don't know. I need more than just like, well, I think she should have been like, fuck all of you guys. I don't want to be here and walked off now instead of waiting until the end. Because they're going to call her a professional either way.

And that's the thing with this entire show is that everyone always kind of bites their tongues. In moments like these, it's like, I just, I don't feel supported. And then someone walks off. As opposed to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, where instead it would be Lisa Barlow ugly crying and being like, I said everything to you today and you didn't say anything back to me. And this makes me really feel really fucked up. This is really fucked up right now. That's what we need. Yeah, and I get that Garcelle...

You know, look, I get it. But I also think maybe this just isn't the right environment.

Well, I think you got to come in and like, give it back. Like if someone's going to shade you, you have to be able to shade them back. And if Dorit says, you know, well, how dare you insinuate? Nobody else thought that my house was robbed by PK or whatever. You could be like, oh really? Then why was your debt to Bellagio paid off after two months when the insurance money came in and why, you know, like give all the evidence we've all been reading online for the past couple of years, you know, but to just be like, well, that's my opinion. And nobody like, you know, nobody accepts it. It's like, hmm.

Garcelle has already got one foot out the door because she's got a successful, you know, uh, you know, TV movie venture that's happening right now. And she sees the light of doing things that are more creative and more fulfilling with people that she likes more. And she's like, you know what?

I'm not going to flame out my professional reputation over these stupid idiots. I'm just going to shut my mouth, get through the end of this episode, and then it's goodbye for me. I think that's a good point. That's probably what she did because she was like, look, I've used the show better than any of you have actually to advance my own career away from this show. So I'm not going to blow it for you idiots. Like I'll just sit here till the end and then I'll leave. I'll just say fuck you by not being in a picture. Yeah.

So back to it. She's like, yeah, you know, like no one smiled at me. And Andy's like, well, do you think maybe it's because everyone's stressed that it's a reunion? She's like, no, whatever. And Kyle's like, I mean, yeah, because like, you know, maybe were you smiling at people and then they weren't smiling back? And Dorica just goes, I was smiling when I first got here and then it all changed. And it was like, okay, well, it's not okay. I mean, you're upset. And Garcelle's like, it's okay.

It's okay, I'll smile at other people and I'll get those smiles back. 'Cause you know where they do smile back at you? Hogsnaught. It's like, okay, cool, let's go to commercial. - And they're sitting there and Sutton's like, I mean, you said you're not answering any more questions. And she goes, no, I can't stand them all, so no. And Sutton's like, oh God, they really hate me, don't they? They really hate me. Can it just be about your friend for two seconds? Why is everything fucking about you? Oh my God, someone called you a drunk.

I know. All right, welcome back, everyone. These women might be known as the housewives, but this year there is not a wife in sight. Whether they were getting their flirt on with their private chefs or massage therapists or boat captains, we're just going to scrape the bottom of the... We're just trying to use the last scraps of footage to cobble together a fun and games montage. Here you go. Yeah, so it's fun and games. Oh, my God, they're so horny with the manhands people.

And Kyle's like, "Guys, that was more like the real horny housewives of Beverly Hills." That was almost as good as Angry Spice, Kyle. How long did you have that one saved up? So then they basically make little small talk, like who should Dorit be with? And they're like, "Oh, some pretty young thing," and all of that. I like that Bose had to say, when Bose was like, "Oh, Dorit needs to be with some PYT," and everyone just sitting there like, "What?"

Pretty young thing. Okay, everyone, come on, keep up. And Erica goes, oh, I thought you meant something totally different. Something different. What does she think? Pat, you're tushy. What did Erica think she meant? PYT is only one thing, right? I think so. I wanna love you. Which we all know stands for... Yo-yo toddler.

Yeah, so they talk about their rosters and nobody will basically admit to fucking anybody. And Jennifer Tilly is like, well, I wish that I had slept with more above the name titles. I've mostly slept with just squishy comedians and character actors. You know, everyone thinks that actors automatically get laid here, but they don't. Not the ugly ones. So it's sort of my...

You know, it's sort of, it's my reason for being here. Give the ugly guys a chance. I'm like, well, it worked out for you. She goes, yeah, sometimes they can even animate.

When she said strange, squishy comedians, that was such a specific turn of phrase. And yet it did like, it painted an exact, like I imagine going to like the improv and I know exactly who she's like, the type of guys she's talking about. It's like, yeah, only non-famous people for me.

So Erica was trying to squirm out of the fact that she said that Garcelle had peaked by being like, wow, your roster is amazing. All I've got is a cannibal and an old fraudster. So good on you, girl. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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So now the big questions. Kyle, it seemed like a big moment when you removed the word wife from your Instagram bio. Has anyone sledded into your DM since then? I wanted to make it more of a sporty kind of a phrase. And Kyle's like, yeah, I like men and women. Yeah.

Um, anyone interesting? Um, no. And Erica's like, yes. But of course, Kyle's not going to share that because, you know, the rules don't apply to her. So, uh, and he's like, well, okay, cool. Well, before we close this out, one more question, ladies.

"Okay, Boze, you're excluded from this. Who here thinks, who do you think is gonna get married first? Does anyone care? Does anyone here in America care? No, but we're gonna ask this question anyway. Who's gonna get married first?" And then they all think, Jennifer says it's gonna be Kyle that gets married. Yeah, they all say Kyle. "She's the one that can't be alone. I mean, have you seen the woman trying to cook salmon in her house without children there? It's pathetic, Andy." And Kyle's like, "I do love being married. I love that."

So then we talk about Erica's son, the cop testifying in the ASAP Rocky trial and she's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He texted me, said I'm going to be on TV, but I thought I should tell you. And I said, well, by the way, I should tell you I'm still being sued by four people. Just kidding. I didn't tell him that. What the fuck does he care? Yeah.

And she's like, yeah, I found out about that the night before. Like, he gave me a text. It was really cool, you know. I was sort of pissed because I really made it 10 years on the show without having to show my son. But, oh, well, I guess you got to show something about your life once in a while. Yeah, and she says, the one thing that came out of this Tom thing that was really good, other than the earrings, which, of course, still wear, is that, you know, the police were called to my house so often that I got to see my son more. So that was good.

I mean, I would have only seen him more if he was a plumber. God, I can't even flush pee in that house, Andy. Not even pee. You know, I gotta say, one of the fringe benefits of this is that I became much more, much, much closer with my son. And now we have a beautiful, beautiful relationship where we sit and we talk. And he gets to really see the real side of me. And I see the real side of him. And there's a beauty that's there. And through him is how I truly understand empathy. Anyway, fuck y'all. You don't get to see it on TV.

You know, my son doesn't want to ride in my coattails. He doesn't want to be famous because mommy's famous. He's going to blaze his own trail by testifying in celebrity trials. So good for him. I said, if my own son can't make it as a famous cop, nobody can. I like that she's talking about him like he's in show business. I know. He's like, yeah, he doesn't need me. He wanted his own path. And now he's famous on his own, testifying against A$AP Rocky.

I don't know. It just drives me crazy how they really gate these huge portions of their lives, all of them on this show, or at least the Fox Force Five do. And then they get mad at Garcelle for not being interesting. It drives me nuts. They just will not talk about the big things in their lives at all. This isn't even scandalous. It's just her son. You have a son. This would be interesting to learn about you. But no, of course not.

So then we talk about the pizza party therapist who said that's not pizza party behavior. And she's like, you know, these women have known me being married and being a huge pop icon and going everywhere in private jets and holding up the walls of a crumbling, crumbling marriage, Andy. So, you know, just seeing me be

be amazing again. I think it might be hard for people, Andy. I think it might be hard. And Andy's like, well, have you divorced Tom? And she's like, no, you know, it's funny. It's funny. You know, I don't have to answer for that other than my divorce attorney reached out to me and was like, we need to get on this. And I was like, just wait for him to die. How long can it take? And he's like,

He's like, well, in August, Tom was convicted of wire fraud relating to embezzlement. And, you know, and he's pushing for hospitalization instead of prison. Yes, and Martin does promise to do the wallpaper. Okay, cool. Do you ever think of visiting him? And she's like, well, I thought of visiting him. And this is going to sound cold, but I'm going to visit him when he passes away. Like, yeah, that does sound a little cold. Like, it's funny because she won't...

She's made a great effort not to throw him under the bus during all this, like in terms of the crimes, etc. I guess maybe because it could implicate her. But she has in many ways protected him. She said that, oh, it turns out he was terrible and yada, yada, yada. And I believe her completely on that. But it is... She's still going with his mentally incapacitated defense that she tried to... She has like been...

Yeah, she has like pushed also kind of a sympathetic narrative of him at the same time. Like he's it's the man you see is not the same. It's very sad. And I don't know, like, for me, I have a weird reaction where it's like, you either divorce this, this person and you move on with your life and you do your thing. But if you sort of are staying in this, and you're still kind of being protective over him, but then you won't.

he kind of won't see him in his dying days. I don't know. I felt like that was, I thought that was actually really, really cold. I mean, that's shitty. It's just like rotting away. Then she's like, I mean, why even talk to him? He's not even there mentally. So it's like talking to somebody who's not even there. I mean, geez, so you don't go visit patients with dementia. I mean, my goodness. No, that's what I was thinking. It was just like, God, that happens to me. I,

I fully expect you, Ronnie, to be there in about 40 years. I will be. I'll be like, "Hi, Ben, it's me, Danny Pellegrino. How's everything been going?"

Hi, it's me, Park Overall. God, I brought you these cookies. I'll be someone new and fabulous every time. Park. Oh my God. You could just do 80s sitcom stars. Did you know this? Here's something that has nothing to do with anything, but I just discovered that Eileen Graff, who was the mom on Mr. Belvedere, she was Sandy in the original...

run of Grease on Broadway. She wasn't the original Sandy, but she was like the second Sandy. And she played across from Richard Gere. Richard Gere played Danny Zuko at one point. So just imagine that. The mom from Mr. Belvedere, she played the love interest to Richard Gere once. And that just goes to show anything is possible. Just put your mind to it, guys, and then hope someone discovers it like 40 years later. Yeah.

Um, yeah. So basically she won't go see Tom because he's, he's got a mushy brain anyway. So she's kind of an asshole. I think the reason she's not divorcing him is obvious, right? That guy's got money hidden someplace. That guy's got a lot of money hidden. I don't think Tom is like a non-money hider. I think he's going to pass. They're going to give it a couple of years and she'll go dig up that money somewhere. Obviously I don't know anything, but I'm just assuming that that man was so good at stealing money. Men who are good at stealing money are also good at hiding money.

And she's like, well, I'm going to keep all of my wifely privileges. Thank you very much. I'm just not going to do anything to earn them. Yeah, this whole response definitely hit me. I don't know. I was surprised how much it struck me. It left a real sour taste in my mouth. Because I understand, too, if it's like... It can be hard if there's someone you love and you don't want to see them in a state of utter decay. But, like, I don't know. It's weird. It's weird to...

Be this be in this middle area that I think that she is in where she hasn't said, you know what, I'm moving on. I'm very sad for what's happened with him. And it's in the in my past. And I'm going to go forward versus versus I don't know. It's weird. It's weird to me. The whole thing is weird.

So Erica's like, you know, yeah, I've got nothing to say to him. I'm not going to get the questions that I still have. So what's the point of visiting the old fucker? Anyway, that's going to be the third. And so it's sad. And I worked really hard to make my peace with it. And I worked really hard. I mean, I called up Martin Lawrence Ballard and said, give me a couch. And he did. And now I feel better. So, yeah, nothing good could come of this.

And, okay, well, you know, Tom has been convicted, but you haven't been charged. So have any of the people who turned their back on you come back around? And she's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I don't know that she really had any friends that we've ever seen. I was like, who turned their back? Who turned their back? If we knew her friends, we would know.

Yeah, the one she pays for is still there, Mikey and Laia. So then we go to commercial and Jennifer Tilly's sitting there and she's like, oh, well, isn't this fun? You know, I just had three bites of a corn dog that I found outside. It's right outside the studio. It was delicious.

You don't just get errant corn dogs outside of buildings in LA. Ranching, do that. That's called being rich. It's like a studio cart or something. That's called being rich. So Andy's like, "Ah, welcome back. Okay, well, Sundance has given us so many comedic moments. We don't have to name them, name them, name them, but nothing was funnier than watching the way that her mother Reba totally destroyed her in Augusta. Let's take a look."

Yeah, so we see the whole Augusta journey again. And Andy's like, how does it... By the way, it was kind of a... It was a rough one. Because, I mean, it goes from, well, I've been raised by a narcissist. You know, going after Reba. And then the whole... Garcelle being like, well, Reba, I think you should talk to your daughter. And her being like, I think that is none of your business. You know, the whole thing. They went through the whole thing. And so Andy says, how does that make you feel watching it back? And she's like, well...

that was just so special to me. I can see how that would be special, but there was a lot to unpack in that clip. She's like, what a great clip. What a great clip. Thank you. You know, unfortunately, you missed the part where we all sat and laughed and watched as Kyle Richards tried to go jogging in the Georgia humidity. That was so fun, watching her pass out on the side of the road, almost get run over by a four-wheeler. Anyhoo, so she says that it was like really, she had really good closure there.

from being in that room and talking about it. And forgiveness is really important. And she just knew she needed to forgive her dad. She didn't know she even had to, but then she realized she did. And then, but she has not talked to Reba about the episodes. So I'm really hoping there's a camera, a real meta moment where a camera can capture Reba and Sutton talking about Reba's portrayal on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yeah. And she's like, I'll go home in April. So we'll talk then.

Well, you're a brave friend, Garcelle, sitting with Reba and saying stuff that she needed to hear. And so it's like, I told her, I warned her, this is not going to go well, Garcelle. And then I hid behind a column and I watched it all go down. And then I had my hands up in the air in case I needed to flee and say, I was not involved in this, mommy.

Well, I was scared. Well, you handled it very well. You didn't break a sweat, unlike Kyle Richards after she tried to jog in the Georgia heat. Am I right, everyone? Look, I'm getting in on it. So Garcelle's like, yes, even though I know people had opinions about her, she was actually very sweet, and I would take her crusty old ass over anyone else in this room right now, to be honest.

Well, baby from Ruth on Twitter said, of course, Kyle would get along with Sutton's mom. She grew up with Big Kathy. So Kyle and Kathy, do you see similarities with Reba and your mom? I'm sorry. Did Reba ever cook screws into a hamburger to try and kill one of her mates? I mean, from book House of Hilton, in case anybody is wondering where that comes from.

Kyle's like, well, I do appreciate the comparison, but unfortunately I did not get to meet Sutton's mother, which is too bad. But I did get to meet the lovely cook in that house. Kyle, that was my mother. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that was the cook. That was my mother. And Kyle and Kathy are both like, no, no, no, no. Nothing like mom. Nothing like mom. I mean, our mom was amazing. And Erica goes, well, I can tell you it was like staring at my grandmother. Just staring right at her.

And we see photos of Erica with her grandmother and she's like, "You know, it was generational. You know, those were steel magnolias." Who could have used a better hair salon? You know, I'll tell you one thing Reba could have used: the steel magnolias. All right. "Shelby, drink your juice, Shelby. Drink your juice!" "Does it make you understand Sutton anymore? And why are you... Why is Sutton choking on the floor right now?" Erica's like...

Yeah, I get it. You know, Sutton's gone through a lot of trauma and having a therapist as a mom, that doesn't make anything peachy or great, but like, you know, for Carselle to sit there and say this to someone's mom and for her to say, that's none of your business. I mean, I swear to God, my grandmother was resurrected. In Sutton's face, that is. Of course, she looks way older than I do. You know, Sutton was worried about seeing a mom. I said, just don't see her. Wait for her to die and see what she leaves you. That's how I deal with old people, Andy. That's how I deal with them.

And Garcelle says she didn't have closure with her dad. And so that's why she wanted to talk to the mom. So Sutton had a better ending, you know? And Sutton's like, you know, I need to put this in my mother's perspective. You know, it kind of looks like I'm blaming her. And, you know, I am. But maybe she was scared. You know, there's more to the story. Well, yes, she grew up with an alcoholic for a daughter. Could you maybe bring your daughter to work today? And they're like, is that girl drunk?

Well, Jennifer, as close as you and Sutton are, what did you learn about your friend from watching? It's like, I was very brave of Sutton and also for Reba to play this out on television and that it's very important to be open about these situations and just to never speak about them ever again.

Um, so what, what has the experience taught Sutton about herself? She's like, well, I think it has shown me that my mother deserves nothing better than a pool house and I want to do better. I just want to make Erica like me more. That's what I learned. Thank you. All right. Well, that's great. Okay. Well, thank you for opening that hilarious and depressing part of your life. I know that was really tough on you. Hilarious for us. Okay, cool.

Okay, so then we go to a Teddy acknowledgement because Teddy's been so sick. So they talk about Teddy a little. Speaking of cold, oh my God. So they're talking about Teddy and Andy's like, so has everybody been in touch with her? Like to say, you know, hope you get better or whatever. And Dorit's like, no, you knew. I did a little something on Instagram. She said something about cancerous tumors and I replied, hashtag truth.

I know. Hashtag fact. And then I realized that was supposed to be on a certain post. So I deleted that. And so that's pretty much it. Because I figured, listen, if here's the odds, if she gets better, I'll talk to her then. So what the fuck is that? She basically said, like, I'm not talking to her because she's really in the thick of it right now. And that's not really when people need your support. You know when they need your support? When they're healed.

Yeah, she maybe she was trying to like reinforce her argument in the beginning of the season that she's not that close with Teddy. And now I think that's pretty, pretty evident.

So Andy is like, well, my thoughts are with her. Okay. So after last year's bombshell separation between Bravo's golden couple, Kyle found herself stuck between her old life and her old face. And now, then suddenly a photo came out in Greece of a girl kissing Mauricio. Let's take a look. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

Oh no, I dropped my crystal again. Oh God, Kyle, Jesus. Literally put the fucking crystals down. Okay, that's your third time. Three strikes and you're out. You cannot handle crystals anymore. I haven't seen a crystal drop this hard since the end of last season, am I right?

So we see a very long montage just scrolling through these flashbacks. I can't with any more Mario. Sorry, I can't with any more Mauricio. Was he cheating? Was he not cheating? Why is Kyle always hinting that he is cheating and then not talking about him cheating? So she watches that and basically watches a 20-minute montage of her accusing Mauricio under the radar of cheating. And...

Which he probably did. I mean, let me just say that right out the gate. So then she's like gaving her eyes. Yeah. And she's sad. And Andy's like, well, where are you and Mo currently in your separation? Has anyone filed? She's like, no, we're just like literally the same. Like we're close and we talk all the time. We're having the best divorce in the history of mankind. Yeah.

Like we literally talk to each other every day, you know, but I feel sad for my kids. You know, all they have is like a hundred million dollar business to take over that they work in with their dad every day. I mean, when are they going to see their dad? You know, dad.

Do you think you're mourning your old life? I mean, yeah. I mean, I just have a life where people knew how to open the second French door and move chairs through doors and things like that. And now I have to do it myself. So yeah, I am mourning a little bit. It's just like, listen, I mean, it's sad no matter what. And it's weird. You've been with somebody for 30 years. It's just sad, you know? Like we literally talk every day. We love each other. And I just feel sad for my kids. Like when I look back and I look back at what a great life we had, it's a loss. It's sad.

It's a big, big loose, Andy. Huge, huge loose. It's like the time Sutton was looking in her bag and she couldn't find the vodka in there. It was a huge loss. She almost lost to shit, Andy. So Kathy says that she actually wants to see them reconcile. She's like, I just don't like things changing. I don't like to see things change. And Sutton's like, yeah, Kathy still wants me to reconcile with Christian. He's rich. He's just so rich.

I didn't say Christian, I just said a Christian, that's all I want. So Kathy is, yeah, she's just like, I like things to say the same. And so Andy is like, all right, well, coffee cup, tweeted it again. Amazing, got through twice and said,

This is a little heartbreaking. When Kyle asked about the towels, it was her way of saying I want to take care of you. It was also her way of saying the scope of my life is so small that all I care about is towels. Anyway, Mo said he's good. And then last year you seemed so angry with Mauricio, but then this year, do you have regrets about separating from him?

And it's like, I mean, you know, I regret for both of us allowing to get this place. You know, like, I wish we communicated. And she's like, do you think, Jennifer's like, Kyle, do you think that Mo regrets it on some level and wants to get back together with you? And she's like, well, I mean, he regrets things that got us to this place. But, you know, I mean, he doesn't want us to get back together. I mean, would you? I mean, have you seen how he lives? I mean, the man has two towels and a...

his own condo. That's all a man needs. I have kids. I love Kyle saying, "I wish we had communicated better leading up to this." I'm like, I seem to remember many scenes where he was like, "What's wrong? What's wrong?" And she was like, "Nothing. I don't want to talk about it." So she says that the show isn't what brought them apart, but he was actually her biggest supporter

on the show, basically doing the show. And now he has all this money and fame and the agency is growing and he's getting all this attention and women are snakes because they see a man who's a good husband and good father and he has money and they're like, oh, I want that. So they just throw themselves at him. So...

Kyle. Kyle's like, "Guys." How can we blame him for anything that he might do when the women are the shitheads? How can we blame a man for having his agency over his own reactions? Kyle, who last episode was like, "Guys, I am a girl's girl. I am totally a girl's girl." And like, how could you ever say I'm not a girl's girl? Women are snakes. Women are snakes, and they're jealous of my man. She's so full of it. Yeah.

So she's like, you know, we married so young. He didn't get to do his thing, you know? And so now he's out getting to do his thing. So I guess that means sleep. I don't know if it means sleeping around or just partying, you know, if like now he gets to party, but that should be something you guys can do together. Like now you're both rich. It's not like it's just him being rich. That's not the good thing about being a couple. You retire and you go fucking, I mean, I know he's not retired, but you get rich and you go party all over the world.

I don't know. I think, I mean, I think that he's partying now because he's now divorced and now he's like set loose on the world or separated and, you know, he is going to have his midlife crisis and all that, all that crazy stuff. But I did not get an indication last season that that was the driving force behind her divorce.

wanting to like pull, pull away from Mauricio. It wasn't like that was like the storyline, like, Oh, he's partying. He was traveling a lot. That's for sure. And she's very, you know, she has a hard time with that, but I don't know. I just feel like it was traveling for work and all that stuff. It feels like a different story this time around. And I don't know, I feel like there's more to it, which is like what we all feel. I think, well, there is, she admits that she just says she's not going to talk about it.

So then she's like, you know, like, I don't want to party like we were in our 20s and 30s, you know, like, I don't want to do that. And so he's like, well, I mean, it was a little while to see Mo and PK partying with Kyle Cook from Summer House. I mean, wow. Wow. What do we think about that crossover? Yeah, that's that is kind of a wild thing. I'm surprised Whitney wasn't there, too.

So, um, uh, Andy's like, were you surprised by that? She's like, no. She's like, but the, but see those guys, the cows, like those kinds of things. They're like, I'm just like, yeah, I would like, I wouldn't, if I'm seeing those videos, let me tell you. I'm like, no, no. I actually need those reminders to know that I'm doing the right thing right now.

He goes, well, you don't have any FOMO? Wow, you ever partied with Kyle Cook? He's fun. He's fun. And Kathy's like, I would be so jealous of her, but she's not. She's not. So then he's like, well, your life is quiet. Do you want to leave the house ever? And she's like, well, I was about to buy a house actually across from Lisa Vanderpump. Oh, my God.

That would be amazing. And he's like, please do. Do it. Do it. Do it. You know Lisa Vanderpump wants that, too. Like, oh, come. Please come over, Kyle Richards. Kyle's like, literally, the bedroom looked at her driveway. And he's like, come on. You got to do it just for the show. She's 50. She's like, I went back, like, three times with the contractor to add things and then also to, like, throw eggs at Lisa's house. But, like, I just didn't do it in the end.

Yeah, so basically what Sutton was not shy about speaking her mind when Kyle's marriage or Garcelle, what were you thinking when Sutton brought up Mauricio's alleged infidelity? She's like, oh God, me again? I was just doing a wordle over here. Well, I was shocked. We'd heard stuff in the press. I mean, well, Mauricio's cheating. Shocker! But no one's really spoken about it. And by no one, I mean Kyle.

And last year you did, you kind of alluded to something on this reunion. Yes, she did. And so we see flashback of Kyle basically saying like, there was something that happened. I'm not going to say it, but something happened that made me lose my trust in him. So Andy's like, well, I was surprised like you were acting a little obtuse about it on the show. And Ark is like, obtuse? That's a choice. By the way, what does obtuse mean?

Oh, wow. She won't answer your question, so now we're calling her fat? Great. Good one, Amy. Damn. Listen. Listen, everyone. I have my daughters to think about, and this is something I care about. My daughters are going to grow up to be snakes someday, and I'm not here to hurt anybody or throw anybody under the bus, but everybody in our lives is up for grabs, and I'm not here to talk bad about Mo. I don't like when anyone speaks against him. Now, I'll talk about all those bitches who took him away from me. I will do that. But I did feel like that was done intentionally, and that day was sudden, and I was like, wow. That was like...

Like, she said it wasn't on purpose. It was an accident. But I'm like, no, I don't want to talk badly about the father of my children, except that he has extremely...

Low amounts of willpower when dealing with all the slots that are out there in Aspen. Yeah, she's like I don't want to talk about the husband of my children or the father of my children But I do want to insinuate that he's been cheating a ton on me and completely destroying me Without saying it. I'm not gonna say anything but I'll insinuate it so that you guys all talk about the father of my children Yeah, it's very Kyle

So she was like, well, I don't even know he was seeing anybody, but before he moved out and got his own place, I used to see all his messages on his iPad. And both was like, what? And Kathy's rubbing her hands together. Like, yes, yes, she did. So she's not reading them anymore, but they're all like, oh, wow. Erica's like, your close friend is a master detective. And Kathy's like, I'm your sister.

And Kyle's like, "Well, I don't want to give anybody tips so men start putting their little things away." Like, this is women's rights. Wow, that's crazy. So she was going through his DMs and everything. So of course the implication is, like, he was cheating. Although I think she's also saying she's going through the DMs during the separation, or I don't know, her timeline was a little gray. But the point is that she was...

I think this also goes back to a larger point that has come up before, which is that Kyle has displayed that she is a very jealous person. And it seems like Marisa was giving her good cause. But then she's always so shocked when people are like, why would you make that video with Morgan Wade? And you're always hanging out with Morgan Wade. And what she does with her life is her business. But she always seems so surprised that anyone would ever think that there's anything...

anything going on beyond just a close friendship there. I'm like, but you're the one who's actually exceedingly jealous. Who's tracking Marisa's every single move. And then you're shocked that anyone would dare to even raise an eyebrow what you're doing.

Yeah, I mean, I guess my question would be like, so these DMs that were so bad, were they before or after Morgan? You know, that would feel like who started it? I think that's an important thing to ask when people are fighting, you know, like because from what we've seen, Kyle started it. But who knows? Because we don't know any information. So then she says, you know, like, I just want you to know, I do know every fucking crumb. And Andy says, did you do still? And Kathy's like, oh, she doesn't care anymore. She really doesn't care. Bullshit.

And so she says she stopped looking at, but now they talk about the Aspen photo where he was making out with a girl at the airport. And she's like, well, I don't feel angry. You know, I mean, it was like jarring at first because, you know, it was my husband of all these years. And so he was with another woman, but angry? No, no. Sad? No. Devastated? No, no. Yeah. And then Andy is like, okay, well,

When public speculation went into overdrive, you started to question things and you even talked to your daughters about it. Tell me about that because don't forget, Kyle said that, um,

She's not a lesbian, but then because the public thought she was, she started to think that maybe she was. So it's basically us that caused that. And so Kyle's like, yeah, I mean... Kyle, we've thought that you're an asshole for years and years, and you've never considered that. But suddenly lesbianism comes into it, and you take that at face value? Give me a break. Yeah.

She's like, maybe I'm missing something. So then Kathy just starts to crack up because she's very uncomfortable with this entire topic about Kyle possibly being a lesbian. So she just reacts by laughing uncontrollably.

Yeah, and they're like, what is it? It's like, I mean, it's hilarious. Did you know that people talk about scissoring? Do you know what that is? I've never heard about it before. And they're like, what are you laughing about? She goes, I mean, look, I, you know, even I talk to my children about it. They're like, about you being gay? And she's like, yeah, I was trying to help Kyle. What do you want from me? She's like, Kathy, please stop talking about this.

Kyle's like, you know, when the chatter first started happening before the music video and all that, I was like, never crossed my mind. But then like, you know, look, I have a very specific type. And I started thinking, am I not seeing that? Is this like a crush? Is it like...

did the people make me do this? Did the people turn me into a lesbian? And then Kathy is just still laughing at everything. And Kyle's just trying to, again, kind of like squirm out of this one a little bit, you know? I mean, I talked to my girls and they said, mom is 2013. When I said, wow. And Andy's like, oh, you told your girls you're a lesbian too. And Kathy's like,

And Kathy's like, "Yeah, you know, they just looked at me like I was an idiot." And Kyle's like, "Shut up, Kathy. Just shut up." She goes, "I don't want any help with this." It was just hard. Everyone was supportive, but then Portia told me, "Mom, you buy me amazing cars and there's nothing you can do except stop by any cars that would ever make me say, 'I don't love you.'" And Andy goes, "That's what my dad said to me when I came out." She's like, "I'm not coming out, Andy. I'm just saying, I'm questioning, okay?"

I then asked Portia, does this mean I'm invited to Panera Bread with you and your sister? And she said, no, mom, absolutely not. But we're getting there. We're getting there someday.

Final thoughts on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So Jennifer Dilley, what was your most unexpected surprise this season? It can be good or bad. And she's like, my unexpected surprise was how many footage they shoot of me and then only use footage of Kyle. So that was something interesting. Yeah.

You could probably film three seasons of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills put together with what we filmed. And Kat's like, don't give them any ideas, Jennifer. I'm like, yeah, please, seriously, don't. And then Kat is like, well, I had an amazing time. It was wonderful. What was the question again? He's like, what was your biggest surprise? Well, I think learning that I was actually a white woman, that was surprising. I mean, all this time, I felt the spirit of China through my veins, but turns out I'm not just a white lady.

And Erica, Erica's answer is, I don't have a surprise, but I feel good. I feel good. Okay. Thanks for being here. And then Boze says she was surprised at everything. Everything. I mean, such a depth of emotion from all the ladies. How deeply they care about each other. How long of a scene you can shoot at a bench by a front door. That was shocking to me.

What about you, Dorit? Well, I was surprised that I think I found a friend for life and that just how wonderful it's been getting to know Bose and having her in my life. And I honestly feel very, very, very blessed. And he's like, all right, cool. We'll see. Can't wait till next season when you guys have a huge feud. All right, son, what about you?

- I'm sorry, Garcelle. Garcelle, what about you first? - Garcelle's like, "Well, I was surprised in a good way about seeing more of Sutton and her mom, you know, that was really revealing and touching in a lot of ways." Sutton? - I think that I'm surprised by how much I love Erica. - Puts up her hands like to cover Garcelle's face.

I think Garcelle's not here. I only care about Erica and I want to go to lunch with Erica. Okay. That's it. Garcelle's like, wow, glad I wasted my answer on you. I could have plugged Black Girl Missing 37.

What about you, Kyle? Well, I think, like, what surprised me the most was, like, about myself in these moments this year, like, walking out of Bozo's, I found myself surprised by my own behavior and, like, not really recognizing myself and, like, you know, on the positive side of it, I feel, like, really, really strong now, okay? And I'm just, like, happy that, like...

I could storm out of someone's house in a bathrobe, but my hair could still look pretty good. And he's like, okay, cool. Well, next season, you'll be living in Rosalisa Vanderpump, dating who knows who, and I want to finish things off with a toast. On the 4th of July, this drink left a bad taste in some of your mouths, especially the alcoholic sitting right there. Ha, ha, ha, Sutton, that's you. Mm-hmm.

Jennifer Tilly, why don't you give us a toast? I'm saying, well, normally I don't eat toast, but I will say there are friendships. There are big ships. There are relationships. There are chips. Chips. There's chips.

There was a show, Chips, that I actually really quite liked. You know, it would have been nice to have sex with one of those gentlemen instead of the little sheriff man with the Confederate flag on his car. What were we talking about? I don't know, but I just went to my childhood fantasy of Eric Estrada, and I've kind of checked out at this point. All right. So, cheers. I got Chips mixed in with the Dukes of Hazzard. Sorry.

Sort of. They're kind of like the same in a weird way. So they give a cheers and everybody drinks their watermelon drink. And he's like, okay. And now finally we're going to get everyone in this cast photo. And Garcelle's like, I'm out. And she just walks off.

And he's like, what? What? No, Carcel. And Dorit's like, Carcel, that is really unprofessional. You can't. Dorit calling anybody unprofessional is hilarious. Doesn't Dorit show up like two hours late to every single event, including her own, and then call everybody the C word? Dorit, callate.

Jennifer's like, "Well, we get better cut of Garcelle in the cast photo." She's like, "Just Photoshop it. Come on." Sutton doesn't even consider running off. I know. That lady left for you for your fake hospital trip last year, and you're just going to sit there and take the picture. She's like, "I want to get a picture of Erica almost agreeing to have lunch with me. I'll talk to Garcelle later." I know. I couldn't believe it. I was like, "Sutton, go after her. Go after her."

So, Garcelle has had enough. So she goes into her dressing room and she's fuming and she's like, "Guys, I'm not doing this. Camera person, I'm not doing this anymore. I don't want cameras here. I'm done. I don't want cameras. All right, cameras, you can stay." I just had, gives me 10 more seconds to plug, Black girl missing, number 45. So Kyle's like, "Yeah, she didn't like being called out for every little thing, you know, but I mean, that's what we have to do there. Like, that's what we do here. Please don't anybody say anything to me. I have children." I know, Kyle's one to talk, right?

and son's like i don't know she was really unhappy this entire time and both like she's unhappy and suddenly goes i i don't know i mean i guess i could go after her to find out but that's something that a friend does and i think i want to start with my new friends erica and kyle so garcelle's back there going i'm just so sick of it i mean they're all assholes you know and no one said i understood what you were saying no one and the fact that i owned how i felt about her situation with the house no one liked that like well

Again, I don't know what kind of props you were expecting for accusing me. It's a bold accusation. I like that she did it, but it's bold and you're, it's, it's going to be, you're not going to get a lot of like warmth from that, to be honest. But I think that she wanted, I think she wanted to,

Sutton to back her up because she's talked shit about it with Sutton before and Sutton said nothing, you know? Yeah. So she wants credit for being accountable for what she said, but they wouldn't give it to her. And then Erica's like, well, life is unfair. You know, we had it all unfair in this place. You get the shit beat out of you every year. Welcome. Welcome to work. And Kyle's like, yeah, that was like child's play. I mean, that was really child's play.

So is asking about your fucking marriage, Kyle, which you won't even discuss. Oh my God. I feel like there's a joke in there with Jennifer Tilly somehow, but I can't get to it. So Bose is like, I mean, did she say that we didn't smile at her? Kyle's like, yeah, I mean, people were not exactly smiling. Like, we're not going to a birthday party today. It's not cool. And you know what? I say we take a photo.

Yeah, so they do. And meanwhile, Garcelle's like, I'm done. I'm done. It's been an amazing ride. I'm grateful for the opportunity. Garcelle out. See you later, suckas. And so she leaves. And the rest of them take a photo. And Sutton knocks on the door, but she's gone. And she's like, what in the world? Yeah, Sutton. That's not really support coming when it's all done. Too late.

Too late. Because you know it didn't take Garcelle. We're supposed to have supper because it's Sutton, so that's what she cares about. Like, are we still eating? I mean. Yeah. So that's how it ends. Garcelle leaves. She's sick of them. They're all fake. They're all dumb. They're all stupid. And she's out. She's out.

Thanks, everyone, for being here this season. What a fun season. I really liked it. I really liked the season of Beverly Hills. I thought it was great. I am sad to see Garcelle go, but I'm always excited for Fresh Blood. So we'll see how it goes. And we have our recap of the Valley premiere coming up later. We're going to record that right now. So stick around for that. We'll chat to you on the next episode. Bye, everyone. Bye.

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