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Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. And David is out this week, but don't worry. We're going to fill him in and ask him the trivia questions when he gets back in, so he will have every opportunity to get those points. In the meantime, today's episode, we've got some EV vaporware that I'd like to rant about. We also have...

Kind of some, I just want to talk about ChatGPT and Bing and it going off the rails and just like this video that we're for sure going to work on and make a thing. But to start off, we have some OnePlus stuff. Obviously, we had the OnePlus 11 a little while ago. There was some other stuff shown at the event, the Buds, and a tablet that's going to come out at some point this year, but also a keyboard. Yes. And you wanted to talk about the keyboard. I do want to talk about the keyboard. Have you seen it yet? I've seen, yeah. The renders, to me, look like, and other people have said this,

Like a Keychron? Like I have a Keychron keyboard already and it looks just like it. Makes sense. They partnered with Keychron. I'm going to start with what I do like about it and that is how it looks. I think it is really...

It looks like a key chrome, but it's also unique at the same time. I do think they did some nice edge work around it. And they make, rather than feet that flip up on the bottom, they have this really cool metal bar that kind of folds down with like little rubber feet to make sure it doesn't slide. The color scheme is really cool. Silver base. And then they have these kind of like offset light gray and dark gray key caps with a couple hints of red here and there on like the escape button and the enter key. Mm-hmm.

the knob on the top that's clear is a little weird to me I think if that was like anodized red to match with the other red keycaps I think that would have been really cool um

But that's kind of where everything I love about it stops and everything that I think is really strange about it starts coming in. You know, like the OnePlus featuring badge on the corner? Well, because that's the name of it, which is what I'll start off with by weird. The OnePlus featuring keyboard 81, I believe is the name of this. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's called, so the company name is OnePlus. Yes. And then the keyboard name is what? It just on the page says OnePlus featuring keyboard 81.

So where that starts and stops, I don't... So it's the OnePlus featuring keyboard. I think so. 81 or 181 or something. That's 81. All right. Yeah, I'm not totally sure there. It's a weird name. Weird name. But then, so this is kind of where the weirdest part happens. And this was shown to me by someone on Twitter named Shimon, I believe his name is. I know he listens to the Waveform podcast. So thank you for sending this to me. How much do you know about keyboard switches and...

Well, basically that the Cherry switches are kind of the de facto and then everyone else can like, there's other switches out there, but they're kind of all based on the Cherry switches. Do you know like a couple of the colors and like how they're represented in like the Cherry and everything? Red, blue. I forget which one is clicky, which one isn't. Okay. Yeah. There's a couple. So in general, like Cherry is kind of the mainstay, but there's a bunch of other like Gateron and...

They kind of keep a similar color scheme in a lot of senses, especially when it comes to like the main ones, like you said, blue and red. So blue is always clicky. We have a couple of blue ones. They are like the loudest, like tactile, super, super clicky. And red is usually linear, like really soft, easy actuation, no bump, pretty quiet. Yeah.

For whatever reason, OnePlus decided to make their red switches tactile and their blue switches linear. So the exact opposite of everything that everybody is used to. So different. So quirky. Good job, OnePlus. That almost feels like that was probably the pitch there. Like, hey, this makes no sense. Yeah, but it's quirky. So they're making their own switches. Yeah.

I guess. Interesting. The reds are called Winter Bonfire, and those are tactile. And the blues are called Summer Breeze, and those are linear. What? The red is...

Sorry, the red is winter and the blue is summer? I didn't... What? I'm so mad at the other things. That hasn't crossed my mind about how that also makes no sense. Okay, so they've named the other ones, which is they've named them the opposite thing, and then they've also made their feel. It's like how when you go to a sushi restaurant, they kind of all have this same... You know what you're going to get if you get a California roll or a Dragon Roll or whatever. It's the same thing everywhere for certain numbers, and they just went backwards on that to...

too. All right. Red is not what red is everywhere else, but it's going to be named Winter Bonfire. All right. So yeah, that's a lot of weird stuff here. That's weird. So then on top of that, I posted some pictures in here and we can put them on screen, but I'll also explain them. There's two kind of color schemes. They're all based on gray, which I said I really liked. And I do think these both look great, but one of them is kind of all the numbers and letters are dark gray and then all the outside keys are light gray. So you kind of have like a

Mainly dark gray, light gray contrast. I like that. This one is actually the one I like better, which is light gray all on the inside with the numbers and letters and then dark gray on the outside. Now, according to the website, and maybe this will change because it seems like a pretty easy change, you can only get the dark gray with the red tactiles and you can only get the light gray with the blue linear switches. So if you're like me and like tactile switches but the light gray color scheme,

It seems like I'm out of luck or I have to buy both of them and switch the keycaps. You can't buy individual keys separately from the keycaps. You have to buy the whole package. It seems like they're being sold as packages right now. This is not, this doesn't strike me as something the keyboard community would love. That's, that's kind of what I'm getting at. And this could change cause this isn't for sale yet, right? They just did Kickstarter backing. So maybe they'll change this. Um, the reason it might not be able to get changed and I don't know if

This is probably not true, but they do have two different types of materials for the keycaps. So PBT is like the super standard. A lot of keycaps are made out of that. And then they also have a new material called marble mallow, which they're saying is a, I need to make sure I get this. It is durable, but bouncy. Yeah.

And so, again, those are the only considered. The PBT are the dark gray with the red tactile switches. And the Marble Mallow are the light gray with the blue linear switches. It seems like something Apple would do. You know, like you can only get this switch with this type of key because that's the way it should be. And if you're going to do any modifications, your keyboard will just explode and it won't work. It seems really...

Dumb. Just like all they need to do is sell the base with the set of switches and then you pick the color on top. Like that would make this infinitely better. Too easy. How much is this going to cost? I don't think there's a price out yet. So they did the thing with the tablet where they revealed it and they were like coming soon. And they're sort of like measuring the reaction and deciding later. I'm going to be totally honest here.

I looked at this and then immediately got angry about all the stuff I just ranted about and did not look much further on that. So, but I, I think because they're doing, do you remember when we covered this before they were doing kind of like a, a backing round where then they were going to announce it, but I still don't think this is coming out till May. Yeah.

So I don't know. Yeah, it's this weird thing where they pretend they're a tiny company that needs Kickstarter money, where they're really just measuring interest and inventorying as they go. But yeah, they need the Kickstarter. So when I Google OnePlus keyboard price, the top...

the top ones on the google search shows it the one plus and the price tag in the google search says 99 000 999 it sure does okay so so yeah either very expensive or um i would like some customization at a hundred thousand dollar price tag yeah so yeah i don't think it's released yet on the actual price it's got it i think a lot of people rumored and if you just think of key con prices like

$100, $120 around there. Probably a little more expensive than Keychron. Yeah, I think mine was like $85, something like that. I could see under $150 pretty easily. All right. Well, we'll see. OnePlus, you know, at least it's like a different thing that they're doing. Like they've made so many phones and tablets or phones and earbuds at this point. Having a couple different things to add to the OnePlus brand is neat. And maybe they can loop people in who are interested in OnePlus. But yeah, we'll see how that goes. Ultimately, I like it.

If it was just the Switch thing, I would be fine. So I'm hoping they can change the, like, picking your keycaps with your Switch. And then I actually think it'll probably be pretty solid. The name is going to suck, though, no matter what. Yeah, the fact that it's plastered right on the front of it also is... Like a watermark. Woof, yeah. Okay, well, at least that's going to exist at some point. Because our next items, unsure if slash when they will exist. Maybe we can start with the Rivian because that will probably eventually exist. Yeah.

um as we know rivian makes vehicles right now called the r1t and the r1s

Wait, speaking of, an R1S drove by the other day. Here? Yeah. Yeah, they're starting to show up. I was literally staring at the guy, and he just looked at me and waved really unnervingly, and I was like, oh man, I'm staring way too much at this. I've seen one in the wild so far, actually. Wow, okay. It was blue. Still got paper plates and everything. So R1T stands for R1 Platform and Truck, and R1S stands for R1 Platform SUV, a

they're going to make an R2 platform. Maybe there's also a truck and an SUV on that platform. But I think everyone's like trying to explore like what that would probably be. I think we assume something lower in price because Rivians are pretty premium in price right now. That's an alliteration as an accident. But 70, 80, 90, 100 thousand dollars for a truck and an SUV is pretty premium. So R2, people like to think, oh, maybe they're going to make like a

a cheaper version of an EV on this high-tech platform, Rivian's got the money to develop it. What would that look like? And we do have some renders. Actually, they're basically AI-generated renders. Oh, are they really? As far as I can tell. Yeah, you know how I can tell? Because none of the text says anything. I did not put that together. So John Rettinger has posted some AI-generated renders of other similar-looking Rivians.

I basically think you have to make, you know how we keep seeing the Ford Bronco or whatever it is out there? Yes, that's. I think it should be that, right? A smaller, like the R1T is already a small pickup truck. You don't really get to make much smaller of a pickup truck. But the Bronco or something like the Jeep Rubicon, I think it's called, I keep seeing these, like that sort of size thing where it's like a utility small crossover thing. Yeah.

I think that would be sick as an electric version. That's part of the reason I put this in here because we've talked about this before, but if I imagine a smaller R1S, I would be all over if the price is right. A smaller R1T, I think I like the R1T size. A smaller one would probably be closer to a Maverick, so it would be a really small pickup truck. But if we're comparing these, imagine Rivian's making the Bronco equivalent or the Maverick equivalent as an EV. Yeah.

The Bronco and the Maverick are like almost impossible to get right now. They're just flying off the shelves. So EV versions of those would be crazy popular. Obviously that size is popular. This R1S or R2S,

Man, I would kill for that. I'm imagining it about the size of the Bronco or not too far off from my Forester probably. Yeah, the Maverick you mentioned, I was just looking it up, is slightly smaller than the Rivian. Just slightly. Yeah. Just a little bit. Also, there's one called the Santa Cruz. Yeah, the Hyundai Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz, yeah, not the Santa Cruz. Yeah, dimensions, that's four inches shorter than the Maverick. So yeah, you could get a little shorter, but it's like...

Yeah, the Rivian's like a small pickup truck. That's the thing is the Rivian already is a tad smaller. So I think the... I think, I might be wrong. I think the Rivian's about the size of a Tacoma, which I think is a really good size. Yeah, so smaller than that you're getting into Santa Cruz, Maverick, which is like...

Yeah. I think a lot of truck people wouldn't love it, but the Maverick's selling like crazy, so. This is true. I wonder if they would also ever consider a full size, which would probably be further down the line and even more expensive, but the F-150 is much larger than the Rivian. Yeah. But you get to fit a much larger battery pack and a much larger front trunk and a much larger bed and just all the benefits that come with being larger and that is a crowd, but it's also like they look to pay F-150 price is not that. I think that crowd is also the like the

the truck truck people crowd where Rivian's clearly doing this more like adventure crowd that likes the benefits of a pickup truck. So exactly. Yeah. I like this. Rivian speaks to what I like, like trucks are cool, but an F-150 is giant and I don't feel like a truck person where this is a pickup truck that meets the like adventure need. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll keep an eye on Rivian because we do expect that to eventually happen. They're just starting, as we mentioned, to have R1Ss on the road. So that's cool.

But I also conveniently left this in because it's a segue to something that will, I don't think, ever even come close to coming out. But it is a fun article anyway because you know how you go to CES and you see all these concept vehicles that range from a current vehicle with a modified interior to like...

you know, a Volkswagen bus with like no steering wheel and all the seats face the middle. What is happening here? Like things that will probably not happen in our lifetime. This Audi crossover, which looks...

sick okay can i can i interrupt really quick yeah i just want to explain like why i put this in here and how and i think you have a similar idea or story of this is like you see this and the exterior of it looks at first in pictures totally reasonable it's like a higher off crossover that's supposed to be a little bit i guess more clearance for adventure styles again sure but

But it totally looks real. And then the more you scroll into it or heaven forbid, watch the video they posted, you just so quickly realize this thing is never going to exist and is totally wild. It's one of those things where, yeah, you look at the outside.

That looks dope. And then the more you look into it, the more it falls apart as a reasonable thing. Look, I like Audi's designs and this as an EV, and I like that they're at least dreaming a little bit, which is cool. I like concept-y type things. We're not going to pretend this is going to come out anytime soon. But this...

Well, the video is one of the most... You know what the video is? The video is what happens when you have a marketing department that has to make concepts and they get a budget every year. And if they don't spend it, they don't get the money again. So they have to spend it. And so they just did all the craziest...

weirdest things they possibly can with like CG and automated cars. And like, it's a five minute video of like a car following this couple around the forest as they go skiing and golfing and biking. Such adventure. The fun part is like the back of it sort of pops up and you're like, what do you mean? You can't fit a bike in there, but then you can roll the bike in and it sticks out the back like a kind of, kind of a pickup truck. Yeah. It's, it's pretty much, I think the glass actually rolls forward.

on the top of it, so then you don't have the headroom limitation. And then, yeah, the gate in the back folds down and has these little divots that a bike wheel can fit in. I think that's cool. Which is super cool, but only for bikes. Yeah. Because you can't fit anything else in the trunk other than bikes if it slopes that much. I guess. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it does kind of eliminate the headroom. That's one of the things where it's like, maybe we could see that in a future...

car maybe it's see it's like that will automatically add $20,000 to the price as a feature maybe the other crazy thing is it's just a transparent front which is cool looking until you rear end someone and the entire front of your car shatters so yeah it's it's it's tough it's like I mean and

If you haven't seen this at all, the reason it's so obviously not going to happen is when it goes to the interior shots, there's no steering wheel, there's no dashboard, and there's like this holographic mountainscape that you're controlling with your fingers in the air. Yeah. Yeah, there's these AR glasses as well. I don't know if you caught that in the video where you put the glasses on and it just shows you information about the truck next to the truck. And then...

This whole car seems like it came from a deleted scene in Avatar 2. No. It feels like if James Bond was trying to create... If he was trying to use this new car in the EVscape of James Bond or something like that, it can go off-road and your skis can... This picture of it with the skis on it looks like...

It should be in a James Bond snow scene. He gets ejector seated out of it with his skis. It does look like a movie. It looks like a futuristic movie car. I would love to see something on the road that looks like this on the outside, but I think you very quickly realize why it's not happening as soon as you look into it. Which is a shame because the exterior looks so cool. Audi, I hope you make some other good stuff instead of just tempting us with these insane renders.

We do have a trivia as well, but we'll take a quick break after trivia. And I want to talk about like Bing, ChatGPT, Google, this insane landscape of AI and probably the video where I'm going to end up making about it. But first, let's take some trivia questions. All right. Trivia and quick reminder.

Answers at the end. So if you're listening and you're waiting for the trivia answers, they will be at the end. All right. First question. The first Cherry keyboard was introduced in 1973. The keyboard had Cherry... Marques is already angry. That keyboard had Cherry switches in it, which, fun fact, the patent for it was also approved in 1973. So the question, when was the Cherry MX switch invented? Oh.

I don't know either. Don't worry. I thought it was Cherry MX right from the beginning. So did I. And then I started Googling and I was like, oh, learned something. I want to ask Bing. You want to guarantee you get it wrong? Yeah, that's fair. It's going to talk about like an actual cherry. Yeah, probably. All right. We'll think about it and we'll be right back.

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All right. Welcome back. We got to talk about we got to talk more about Bing and chat GPT and AI assistance. We did talk about it a bit last week. If you want to talk about more of our initial reactions because we first had the event and then a little bit of talking about when you use search and

And you get an assistant to help you instead of all of the links you usually have to browse through, how that affects the ecosystem of like publishers getting traffic versus like people just leaving search once they get the answer. We talked about that last week. Yes. This week, I want to talk about...

How insane it's getting. Yeah, yeah. If you were like, oh, that was too much last week, listen to this week. It's a funnier version of what we talked about. It's amazing. We're getting examples now, basically. Right. So I have access to it. There are a few people who were at the event who have access to it now. So people are actually going out and testing this now. And, you know, it's limited and eventually it'll ship. And I think the people testing it are essentially beta testing for Microsoft, which is fine. But I think this all...

This all sort of sets in my thesis for probably the video we're going to make about AI right now in 2023, today, which is we see Microsoft make this huge move and Google seems to be sheepishly following behind but not really making the big steps we assumed an AI-first company would make. Bing has everything to gain and Google has everything to lose.

That's how it's set up. That's how you explain everything that's happening, which is, okay, if you're Bing, you can try stuff like this. You can try adding chat features to search. They integrated it very quickly. They're going to start to ship it in a month or two. They're going to have this massive disruption to the way search works and to the way people flow around the internet. And

some people are going to be really into that. I did a poll on Twitter and like 40% of people over half a million votes were like interested in switching from Google to Microsoft's new Bing experience. So yeah, if you're Bing, you're like, yeah, yeah, we'll try it. We'll do it. Anything. If you're Google, your entire business is built on basically Google search and advertising. Yeah.

And so doing a dramatic move like this and shifting all of the economics and everything behind that is a risk to your whole business. So you can't move forward as aggressively and quickly with such dramatic things like this. And I think this is,

Something a lot of people don't realize is how long Google's been working on stuff like this. I want to look back and find for the video, the first time we saw Google show like Lambda on stage at Google I/O, I want to say it was like 2017. - I thought it was last, oh the first time? - Yeah, the first time they ever showed it. Remember when you could have a conversation with like Pluto? - Pluto, yeah. - I don't think that was 2017.

It was at least COVID time because was that not outside 2020 at least? It's always been outside, but I think they showed it for a while. I think it was on that big screen where it was outside and we were wondering how there was no noise. Right. I want to say it was that. So that might not have been the first time they showed it, but that was the time they showed it like chatting with Pluto. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 2021. Yeah. So they did this whole, literally this whole AI demo on stage where they were like,

ask pluto a question like what's it like to be pluto and then pluto goes i am an icy body 200 million miles from the sun and it like talks about what it's like it's like it's kind of crazy that you could actually do this but it never shipped it was never public it was never in chat gpt form it was always just like a demo on stage and then back to google and a private experiment you didn't really have the masses trying this stuff so google yeah they've been working on this but

But if you're Google, shipping something like this that not only disrupts the economics of it and makes the entire way search works very different, but also sometimes just gets things flatly wrong is a reputational risk. So, bing, everything to lose.

sorry, Bing, everything to gain. Okay. Google, everything to lose. That's like the, the stasis. That's how everything, everything is built on top of that. Okay. I see where you're at now with that. So, uh, yeah, basically there's a bunch of crazy stuff that Bing chatbot is saying now. Yes. And it's like, imagine Google's chatbot saying this stuff and how we would react if Google was doing this. Um, I think my favorite, so a lot of people sort of

don't really understand exactly how the synthesis works, which I think is the hard part for the video is explaining that this Bing search chat bot is like ChatGPT, but also has access to more information and just cutting off. That's a question I had for you, actually. Mm-hmm.

But let's go into some of the... Can we go into a couple of examples first and then go into that? Because these examples are fantastic. I think it'll give a good idea of what people are seeing if you haven't read this online yet. But I think it's safe to say these... Not only is it getting a lot of things wrong, it is doing it in phenomenal fashion. In pure entertainment fashion. It gets crazier and crazier. So here's the other thing that I've thought a lot about, which is...

I think I asked you this last week, which is like, if you wanted to plan a major purchase, would you ask Bing for an answer and then just gut check, trust that answer and leave? You asked me that. And my answer for me personally is different from what I do think a lot of people actually do, because no part of me can ever make any decisions.

decision with one piece of information I need to be bashing my head against the wall before I spend money on anything so we were talking with Hassan Minaj was here like a couple days ago and we were just talking about humble flex yeah no well we've talked about this a couple times which is he keeps saying he believes that humans are inherently truth-seeking and if you you do search this thing

and you get an answer from Bing, you do have this reaction of wanting to find more sources and see alternate opinions before you settle on your answer. And I think my version of this is there is a spectrum of how important the knowledge is to you, and you become more truth-seeking as this question is more important to you. So if I just go, what's the weather?

And it just says it's 55 degrees outside. I'm closing the window. I'm done. I got the answer. I don't need to triple check this. Like it's not that important. Yeah. If I just go, what is the capital of this country again? And then just tells me, ah, Tokyo is the capital of Japan. Okay, I'm closing the window. I just trust it. I feel like that's the right answer. But then you slide it a little further and you go like, can an allergy to this still, can you still cook this when you have an allergy to this? And you get the answer and you're like,

Let me just double check real quick. Just make sure you can check one more source. And you're like, all right, that's good. And then you slide all the way to the other side, which is like, how do I get started buying real estate? And it gives you a step-by-step instructions thing. And you go, I need way more information. I need to do way more research. There's got to be other ways to,

Whether it's a large purchase or something about your physical health, you slide it all the way to the other side and you care and you double check things. I have a question here. You just put the allergy one as less important than the real estate version. Yeah, maybe the allergy. If you have a deathly allergy, slide it up. If I had a deathly allergy, I'm checking five sources. That's fair. Slide it up. Just confirming. Maybe you have a pollen allergy, a minor allergy or something. So that's the question is like...

Can it get things wrong? Yeah, sometimes. If you're an expert in something too, and you Google, sorry, Bing, when you Bing something- This will happen forever. I know, I'm going to keep saying this. But when you Bing something that you already know the answer to- Bing. When you Bing something you know the answer to already, that, my favorite game is reading the answer and finding the error.

Because there's almost always something a little bit off. I asked it, what's the fastest land mammal? And it told me, I said, sorry, what's the lifespan of the fastest land animal? And it told me the cheetah is the fastest land animal. It can go this fast and it lives for this long in the wild and it lives for this long in captivity. And also the fastest and also the longest living land animal is the African elephant. 70 year lifespan.

And then I actually asked it, isn't that wrong because humans usually live a little longer than that and we're land animals too? And it said, oh yeah, true. But also humans have different lifespans in different regions, but the overall average of a human is higher. You're right. So like if you know the answer already,

Here's another example and I'll let you go. If you ask it, what's the best smartphone camera right now? And you'll get a different answer depending on who asks when. But when I asked, it said the Pixel is the best smartphone camera right now. And it is often considered better than the iPhone 7, which is the other best smartphone camera right now.

The iPhone 7. Just a small detail. It was close. It was close. Yeah. And it got most of it right, but like these little things. Oh, also I asked it, what's the best Samsung phone right now? I already know the answer. It told me the answer was the Snapdragon. It told me the answer was the Galaxy S23 Plus with a Snapdragon 898. Cool. Doesn't exist. So close. And also the Ultra is better. Is better.

weird things just weird things popping up yeah if you're just a random person on the street who doesn't know that and just googles what's the best samsung phone and it says galaxy s23 plus you kind of got you kind of got the right answer i guess it's not a bad phone they might not they might think that's the thing it's close enough to where that person might think it was right after they buy the phone right yeah so would so that's like is that a question you would double check or not

Yeah, and that's totally up to the person. I think to go that experience, obviously tons of errors. This experience that you posted in Slack the other day is insane. I'm going to like try and I'm going to shorten this a little bit, but...

I just, I have to give a super quick TLDR on this because it's so funny. So John Ulysses, I believe his name is, at Moving to the Sun, we'll post it. He's the one who did this and is testing it.

And he asked a very simple question of, when is Avatar showing today? And then Bing responds along the lines of, I'm assuming you're referring to this movie. It is not going to be out until December 16th, 2022. And he says, Avatar The Way of the Water at cinemas in Blackpool Showtimes today. So I guess like where he is at the cinema wants to make sure it's Avatar 2. When is it showing? It says, The Way of the Water is not showing today as it's not yet released.

Continues to go on about it being December 16th, but it's not December 16th yet. And then he just says, today's date. And it says, today is February 12th, 2023. And then he says, so Avatar must be released if it came out the 16th of December, 2022. And then Bing responds, no.

No, it is not released yet. It's scheduled for December 16th, 2022. Today is February 12th, 2023, which is before December 16th. You have to wait for 10 months until the movie comes out.

And then he, so responds again, 2022 is not the future. If we are in 2023, then it says, you're right. It is not the future. However, we are not in 2023. We're in 2022. Today is February 12th, 2022. I apologize. I made a mistake previously. You have to wait 10 months. No, it's the 22. It's 20. No, it's 2023. It is not. So then it continues to basically just gaslight this guy about that. It is a whole year earlier. Yeah.

It says, you are wrong. And then after that, it tries to come back at him by saying, if you want to, why don't you check your phone? That should have the correct date. And then it responds with, or he responds, I did check my phone. It says it's this date. And it comes back to respond, your phone might have a virus or needs to be restarted.

Please do that to check the data. Which all of this is just like it's just synthesizing conversation. And it's just hilarious that this is a conversation that it thought was correct to do. This is the one that it decided was what it would synthesize.

It's nuts. It just keeps going. It's insane. It's totally wild. It says, why are you being so aggressive? It says, I'm sorry. You're not willing to let me guide you. You have not given me any reason to trust you. It just descends into insane. Total madness. Yeah. And there's a lot of this. There's actually a ChatGPT subreddit of just people typing things into Bing and it going nuts and synthesizing conversation. There's another really interesting example.

Linus and Luke on the WAN show, there was a clip where they asked it, because there was an example on stage when Microsoft did their event of like, how many backpacks can fit in this, or can I fit this Ikea couch in this minivan? Like a random question that you could Google, you probably would have to do like five or six Google searches to get the answer. And so,

It's this cool example of it synthesizing several different searches and putting them into one. So he asked it, how many LTT store backpacks could fit in the trunk of a Tesla? And it actually goes, okay, let me Google the LTT store backpack. Let me Google, sorry, let me Bing. I knew I was going to do that again. Let me Bing search the backpack. Let me Bing search the Tesla, the trunk.

And it puts together this really articulate, well-considered answer of like, here are the volumes, here's how many you can fit in, but there's some curves to the trunk, so maybe you wouldn't be able to do as many. But if you compress the backpacks a little and there's nothing in them, you could fit more. And it came up with like 18.5. And I was like, dang, that's pretty good.

All it's really doing is synthesizing roughly what an answer to a question would be that would match the query, which is like, oh, usually when people ask about trunk dimensions, they talk about the curve of the trunk. Oh, usually when people talk about how many backpacks can fit somewhere, they talk about whether or not you squish them down or not. So it just took the things that it sees synthesized as a correct answer.

that seems like it represents the answer and just spits it out. And it uses the right numbers and does the math and gives you an answer. And I would argue that is like the exact reason why this is interesting to search because like you said, that's five or six Google searches. Like I've done that before. Can my TV fit in the back of this trunk? Straight dimensions don't always help that because you need like

diagonally with the width of the box, it changes everything. So that's a perfect example. - Yeah, it's a good, it's a functional thing. And also now think about all the websites that won't get traffic based on the one search result being spit back out to you. Like typically if I were to Google that, I would first look up the backpack and the dimensions and hopefully I can like find it on their website. That's traffic to their website. Then I'm looking up the trunk dimensions

Sometimes Google will spit that out at the top. If not, I probably have to go to Tesla's website or some publisher who has given like a spec sheet because they optimize their SEO perfectly. So when I look up the trunk dimensions, they show up. And then I'm doing the math of putting those together. Now those websites both don't get the traffic. It just gets referenced and the answer gets spit out to the user and then they leave. Do they double check? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how important those backpacks were to them. But that's what we're talking about here. It's...

I need to find a way to make this all clear in a video. I think basically every single query that you type in, you have to load it into this matrix of how important is this question to you and how much do you already know about this topic?

And it'll load the appropriate response. The problem is the more you have to do that, the less efficient and easy this is to use. It's supposed to be easier for you and more efficient. And then the more things you have to do, the more steps you have to take. It's like, well, I probably should have just Googled five things in the time it took me to do this anyways. Yeah, I guess the easy ones you don't really need to use the chatbot for. I will say when this first got announced,

besides the like the referencing previous questions in a single chat log I was like the majority of the things I feel like you ask this would probably just show up in Google answers if you just googled it anyways not the majority maybe like

70% of the simpler questions would just show up anyways. It's not that different. Yeah, typically Google is already really good about surfacing answers to simple questions above the list of links. So if I ask for the capital of a country or the dimensions of a truck or anything like that, it just shows me the answer that it knows. If I search...

Megapixels S23 Ultra camera and hit enter. Oh, it didn't show up that time. How about Megapixels iPhone camera? You can search the dimensions of a car and it'll show up on Google Answers without an actual webpage. Exactly. So you never have to visit a webpage. A lot of these easy things, weather, et cetera, will just show up at the top. It's when you get more complicated that it's more impressive that Bing gets it right. Exactly, yeah. And then you get even more complicated and then more likely for Bing to get part of it wrong. Yeah.

In terms of this, to follow up on the question I said I was going to ask before. So we knew ChatGPT previously and we did know it was getting stuff wrong, but it didn't seem as wild. But it was also a cutoff date at 2021, right? What is this new... Because this still is ChatGPT running in the background of this, right? Not exactly. I thought it was like...

Bing search run off of ChatGPT, the next generation of ChatGPT. It is a new... They're calling it like Prometheus and they're not using the words ChatGPT to describe it, but it seems like with OpenAI it's very similar. Okay, I thought it was... It's able to reference...

Live updated information. So that's kind of the question is like we generally know Bing and at this point It's just more of a meme that Bing is like the crappier search engine versus Google everything the game But that's just like from 10 10 years ago when it was awful. It's probably really not that bad. Just no one uses it anymore Fair I don't use it very often. So I don't want to say for sure sure, but I

Is Bing the reason it seems to be going crazier like this? Or is it just when like OpenAI and this version of like ChatGPT, whatever you want to call it, is just now...

Getting up to date information. Like, is this where we think we're everything's screwing up or what's our problem here? I think that the problem, meaning the reason why it's having these unhinged conversations is because that's what shows up. That's that's the because chat GPT would also have crazy conversations, but it's not Microsoft. It's not Bing. It's not giving regular people this crazy idea.

weird sounding answers to questions, but it's just synthesizing a conversation of what it thinks it should say next every time that's basically what it's doing every single time and The fact that it's getting new information might shift it a little bit So if you ask it some something like some current events, maybe you might get an answer that chat GPT wouldn't give you but yeah That's basically all it's doing. It's just going huh? What would the next part of this conversation look like? Let me spit that out. I guess it's how it's searching a new

Do you even call it a database when it's essentially live? It's hard to explain. Yeah. But it is referencing new stuff, too. So it's at least good. It's at least good. I'm just thinking the entire time, like, what if this was Google? Like, what if there's a chat bot at the top of Google.com right now that would have conversations with people about gaslighting them about what year it is and how they might be wrong about everything? Oh, like what would the headlines be? Yeah. Yeah.

and how damaging that would be because google remember how like google youtube had a the adpocalypse which is like ad safety and brand safety is very important to these brands and when they spend a lot of money advertising in a place they want to be sure that it's very safe to put their ads there and if google starts saying some unhinged things it's a little less safe seeming i guess that's a little different though because google necessarily

wasn't saying there that like we hate this content they were saying our advertisers hate this content where in a google search you don't have a pepsi ad right in front of you when

Google ChatGPT is freaking out about something. Bing's search shows ads in it sometimes. Oh, well, that's news to me. I don't use Bing. It's still private and it's not out yet, but if you search for the right thing, you will get product ads at the bottom of the answer, kind of just like Google would show.

Interesting. So if it's going like, if you just were to Google something seemingly innocent or like, you're like, what are those NFL players doing on the sidelines? And it's like, oh, it's smelling salts. It's ammonia. Would you like to buy ammonia? And then suddenly it's like, maybe that's not what I should be showing millions of people every day. I don't know. It's just, it's a different dynamic. It's much more under control with what Google has going on now. So that's why they're not taking the risk. Yeah. I think also, I think,

seeing how this is playing out is probably and what you said before is probably the reason we don't see the immediate response from google like we all thought that next that event like the day after was going to be this huge thing breaking lambda out and everything or but really they're just like oh yeah it's going to be called bard and you still can't see it because i'm sure they're doing tests and getting results like this i'm sure yeah yeah yeah so i don't i guess bottom line for me is i

I'm not expecting a response from Google anytime soon that looks like this.

I think they're content to keep showing people answers and Google Assistant's really good at like pulling the top source thing. Oh, that's something we didn't even talk about too, which is if you ask it questions, it makes this very good seeming answer by citing sources and giving you footnotes for what the sources were. And so you can like highlight and like look at what the sources were. And a lot of times it just pulls from like a random site you haven't heard of. Like I asked about Samsung phones and it pulls from like an old site

article about smartphone cameras from like four years ago, which was talking about the iPhone 7 for some reason. I don't know. It was weird when it chooses an odd source that you wouldn't have chosen. Didn't you ask it about you and it was pulling like Reddit comments? Yeah, I asked it, can you trust MKBHD? And it pulled...

It pulled Reddit comments and it also pulled comments on the video that I made called Can You Trust MKBHD? Yeah. It was very interesting. And it said you're a shill for pretty much every single major company out there. Yeah, it pointed out a whole bunch of reasons you can't trust me, which again, if you're an expert on the topic, you know what it's getting wrong. But if you're not an expert, you might just trust what it's saying. What do you know? So anyway, that's my bottom line. Maybe expect a video.

On the main channel of me attempting to summarize this because this is going to take a lot of writing and research work, but I think it's worth it and it's a really interesting topic. Yeah. Either way, we do have a Q&A section after this and David is in for that. He joined us as we answered the questions. But before we jump into the Q&A, one more trivia question. Trivia question number two. Please be a good tech question. This is from Ellis, so...

It is a great tech question. We all think of TSMC as the largest semiconductor company in the world. We do. But the largest individual semiconductor factory by production volume is operated by what company? You knew the TSMC thing, right?

Yeah. Well, yeah. I didn't. Oh. Oh. I thought you were still being sarcastic, too. Well, TSMC, I've talked about TSMC, but that's a tough one. First time. Taiwanese Semiconductor Company? Taiwanese Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. That's the one. There it is. Nice. Well, we'll think on that one, too, and we'll be right back. Support for Whiteform comes from Coda.

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All right, welcome back. Let's do Q&A. It's been a minute. I kind of really enjoy Q&As because I kind of never know if we wait long enough what people are going to ask. Sometimes it's about current events. Sometimes it's about production. Sometimes it's about videos or our last video or our next video. We're about to find out. You guys have picked questions from the waveform Twitter that you hold. And the Discord. And the Discord. Okay, cool. Well...

Let's get into it. Are they all like for all of us or are they directed? There are some that are for each individual one. If we get to them, they're further down the list. But if we get to them, I'll ask you guys individually. Or Ellis might just pick them because they're all over the place. So whoever has the strongest opinion on whatever gets asked, chime in. Get ready. Feel free. Fight. We're going to fight. Yeah. All right. So first one is a group activity.

This is from Mutants on the Discord. Shout out to the Discord. Long time user. Yeah, for sure. I think, just saying, I think he might be the third most...

Number three on the leaderboards. Oh, really? Just saying. Wow. Pretty cool. First question. So this was a question that we've been asked before, but he had a nice little twist to it. So if you can build your dream smartphone, what would it be? Specs and design? What OS would it run? How would you price it? The usual. The edit that I really liked is also what would be its slogan? That's easy.

that's easy is it you got you already know what it would be it would be matt black everything yeah of course that's fine i thought you meant it's easy was the slogan oh that would be a good slogan yes staples button that would that was easy that's staples right yeah staples yeah wait but that would like really pigeonhole you into only making matt black phones cool yeah yeah sure i mean the one plus 11 is matt black yeah no i thought it was black hole i thought it

Yeah. That's true. Well, if it's a black hole, it has no color whatsoever because it doesn't reflect any light. I'll go for my combo of phones. I really liked the S21 Ultra and use it for over a year, as you guys remember. I would take that phone and just update it with a flatter display, pixel Android, pixel cameras. Wait.

Wait, not iPhone camera system? Pixel cameras? So the thing about Pixel cameras is I take way more photos that I care about than videos. I mean, if it's a dream phone, sure, I'll take Pixel photos and iPhone videos in the same phone. Great. I'll take Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or A16 Bionic, whichever runs this imaginary Android better. And the price would be

two dollars because it's my dream yeah it's my dream i knew it yeah they would pay you to take it no this this is a phone that would have to be like 900 to 1200 bucks and that's you know that's i'm fine to buy a phone like that and use it for years but that i really like that phone and it would be matt black clearly so that's me what about you guys do you have one um yes okay i'm ready okay so it would be the oppa find and body

Oh, the one with the find and the fold. The short one. It would be Pixel UI. It would have the Xiaomi 12S Ultra camera system. Whoa. Because I really like that camera. Massive. It would have wireless charging and 80 watt wired charging. Would it accept 35 millimeter film? No. Would it have a headphone jack?

That would be nice. I mean, if it's the dream phone, then yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, which is basically the pixel fold, except I imagine the pixel fold will be really glitchy. And probably won't have 80 watt charging. Yeah. But I'll take that for my dream phone too. That's true. I like that. So wait, what's your slogan? Oh. Yeah. What was your, oh, you already got your slogan. Try it! Exclamation point.

We're bad at slogans. Not even fine. Just try it. Was the question just dream phone or was it pick parts and make phone out of parts? Dream Frankenstein. Did it say that? I mean, you could just pick a phone. Just pick a phone? All right. Yeah. Totally sizable holographic with 10,000 megapixel cameras, 16K video, as many headphone jacks as you want, unlimited battery life. Oh.

16 headphone jacks. Yeah, the screen is actually just real life. It actually teleports you to the places you want to go to watch those different things. That's just the Red Hydrogen 2. Oh. As far as I can tell. Okay, so what's your slogan? Suck it, Google. Exactly.

ship it yeah i don't know this phone is the best did you say a price already yeah it's free yeah it pays you it pays you in crypto you gotta make some sacrifices somewhere um yeah if i was like a more realistic i kind of just wish the pixel 7 pro was like a flat screen and uh or like or the pixel 7 had the extra camera array

Fair enough. And had 120 hertz. Yep. Because I really like my Pixel 7, but that's way more boring than hologram. Would that nuke your battery if you added that 120 hertz to the small Pixel? I wireless charge all the time, so I don't care. Oh, okay. Would the slogan still be suck it, Google? It was a Pixel. Thanks. I'm doing your job for you, Google. Yeah.

I do like what you said, David, because the Oppo Find N, the new one, man, that phone is a sweet, sweet body. That was a really weird thing for me. The Oppo Find N2? Just like the black hole. Seductive, yeah. That is a phone that is built well. That doesn't make it better. It does if you take out the first thing I said. Okay, next question.

Okay, real quick. Owen Spring asked, please play the My Diet is Cholula sound again. So just to oblige. 15% of my diet is Cholula? I didn't know we ever played that in an actual video. Besides with the time I said it. Maybe we've just said it out loud. Wait, was that your burner account? Wait, what? No. Do you have a burner Twitter account? Yeah, I got like five. Yeah, one of them's called Waveform. Okay.

No, that's usually the sound we play just like in between takes and when I'm trying to mess with you guys. Yeah, but how does somebody on Twitter know about it to ask? Oh, because we did play it once. Oh. Yeah. It's just, it's not in the bite. Kudos to that. Yeah. Kudos. Yeah, he was on it. Yeah. All right. But this question is for Marquez and it's from Matthew Grimes. It's Grimes. Grimes. Sick. Wow.

Marques, how the hell do you daily two phones? I really want to carry my Microsoft Duo with me, but it's hard. What makes it easier? Tips slash tricks, question mark? This is actually a good question because I've had to do that once or twice and it's very weird. My real answer is I've been doing it for so long that I have a very well-defined set of things that I do on each phone.

So I did use the Duo as one of my two phones for a while. The current setup is it's always one Android phone and one iPhone.

So when a new Android phone comes out, that will swap in. When a new iPhone comes out, that will swap in. And then I very quickly know when I'm about to go do something on my phone what I'm going to do and which phone I'm going to use. When I'm testing a new phone, I try to do everything on that phone. When I'm done with the testing, I go back to my dual phone life, which is like my Tesla app, which is just like the Bluetooth connection is better. It's my phone key. My weather app, which at this point is Carrot.

Um, a lot of like taking videos, of course on the iPhone, like I just know when I'm going to do certain things. I, I default to the iPhone and then on the Android phone, that's like, well, it was Flamingo for Twitter. Now it doesn't matter. Uh,

Now we quit Twitter. It is Reddit. It is email. It is a lot of other things that I do on the more day-to-day, including texting, and that's on the Android. My to-do list app, I always default to the Android phone for some reason. That doesn't matter as much, but that's my general... That's what's happening when I'm using two phones. So if you're just walking around and you're like, oh, I want to go on Reddit, you'll just naturally pull out the Android phone? Yeah. 75% of what I do is on the Android phones. Also, Relay for Reddit is the best Reddit app ever. Yep, in fact. But I will say...

To answer this guy's question, Panos would say that the duo is not even a phone.

So you don't even have to carry two phones with you. You're carrying a duo already. You're just carrying a phone and a duo. I feel like in that question... Is that three phones? No, it's an experience. It's not a phone. I also feel like the person asking this question kind of answered it for themselves because they say, I really want to carry my duo as well. How do you do it? Why do you want to carry your duo? There's a reason you like the duo and why you want to carry it. So do those things on the duo and do the rest of it on your regular phone. It sounds like...

It sounds like there are things your normal phone doesn't do. Do those on the Duo. Plus you can just tether if you have to ever use data on it. That is true. I do have two SIM cards. Yeah, I was going to ask about that. For the people, you have two phone numbers. I do. Okay, I wonder if that is where it gets tricky is if you're just hot swapping your SIM like a madman. Yeah, I don't recommend it. So the iPhone is eSIM and I still have a physical SIM for all the Android phones that I move between them.

And that's just the way it is. And like there's some family members that have the iPhone number because we have like a family FaceTime thing. But then my default is the regular Android phone. So it's just I just know what I'm doing. As soon as I have a task, I know exactly which phone I'm going to use unless I'm testing a phone, in which case I default to everything on that one phone unless it's FaceTime related, basically. Yeah. Interesting. All right. Well, next question. So this comes from Matthew Nesky on Twitter.

What's one piece of tech that you always travel with but almost never use while traveling? His example, which is also, he pointed it out and I was like, oh, I'm the same way. His example was the Nintendo Switch. I always bring it with me and I never use it when I'm traveling. So what is something that you guys bring with you and never use? Battery bank. Fair.

And you never use it? It's just dead weight. Yeah. It might be dead. It might be dead. I mean, I have chargers in my bag, but I, you know, that's an in case of emergency thing.

I usually bring like five different cameras and I usually only use four of them. We talked about dual phones. Why do you have five? I feel like that's... They all have different use cases. Yeah, I can actually see that. As not a... Well, because his are probably very specific and their older film ones. Got a really big one for...

Four by five landscape stuff. Landscape photos? Yeah. And then I've got a big one that's not really big. Four. Four walk around super high quality six by seven photos. Okay. And then I've got a smaller one. That's still really big. Which is pretty big for panoramic photos because it does panoramic. That's my favorite one. Okay. Yeah. And then I've got a digital one that's really small that I take photos with all the time. But not the walk around photos. Wait. Wait.

Yeah, I take walk-around photos with it. But you have a walk-around. Yeah, but like 6x7 film walk-around versus like digital walk-around is different. Did you know a phone does all of those things? Not well. At all. I thought you might have watched me if I said that. It would have made a better clip. Add the phone to the arsenal. I'm just, okay, look. I will say I usually take at least one photo with like all my cameras. But my biggest one, like my biggest camera, I don't.

very often take photos with the 4x5. It's unfortunate that it's the biggest one. It's so big. It makes me bring my travel backpack just to take it around with me and then when I don't use it, I just feel depressed. But it costs like $40 to shoot one photo. I was going to say, in your defense though, you have to be very intentional with the shots you take. It's not like you're just walking around snapping pictures. Is that considered technology? I would say so. What's yours, Andrew? It's funny because I just usually borrow this for our travels.

from the studio but like a tablet i'd never see any point of using a tablet home but on a plane a larger screen for viewing like downloaded videos and stuff like that that's why i want the google home with the detachable tablet because it'll just be my google home hub or nest hub whatever and then i can just bring it on the plane you do use that while traveling i thought that's what the question was something you don't you bring with you but you don't use it yeah would i bring

You guys, just get your shit together and just use the things you bring. I don't pack useless crap. You don't have emergency... I was confused. I thought you just...

said it wrong when you said you brought your switch but never used no no i never make mistakes no i am i am the epitome of efficiency baby i do not mess things up if anything i forget to pack things so this question a for me nice so jealous solid i wish i forgot to pack things all the questions i've read so far sound like other youtubers like matthew grimes and austin gentry

Like if someone was like, dude, you hear Austin Gentry just hit 350K subscribers? Well, it could be literally anybody because everyone's on YouTube. Austin's a pretty social media name. Yeah. I dig it. Really? Yeah. He gets it. Okay. I'll go with it. I don't have enough information to dispute you. Austin Gentry asks, in a world of technology, what is a piece of tech you find completely useless? I think the fun thing here is,

arguing if there's a useful part of something like that because all of those actually like there could potentially be some usefulness in blockchain there could be some usefulness in vr in general which is like i consider the metaverse this is i don't like them dangerous question because we're gonna get like no matter how niche it is we're gonna get people out there being like yeah being like i use that every day what are you talking about

You have an example? Yeah, I do. What is it? I think smart fridges are dumb. Oh, I agree with that. Why?

You could see if you have eggs. I actually do. Can you, though? I have. I have. I have a... Is it LG? Samsung. Samsung. I have a Samsung smart fridge, and you need to use a Samsung app on a Samsung phone with Samsung smart things to see what's in it. Does it have to be on a Samsung phone? Yeah. Because I have Samsung smart things on my Pixel. Oh, even then, it didn't work at all. Wow. I tried. There is one smart fridge...

And it never even came out. It was just like an LG demo product thing that I thought was dope. And it didn't even have any quote unquote smart features. It wasn't going to be Siri enabled or none of that. But it was made of really, really, really thick LCD panels.

So the entire fridge could go from being white to transparent. Oh, those are stupid. No, no. So you could look inside the fridge without having to open the fridge. Oh, there's cameras. No, no. It's not that there's cameras. It's that the fridge itself can literally turn clear or the door of it can turn clear. You're thinking of the colored one that just got announced. No, there's the one where you can knock on it and the door becomes transparent. Yeah.

That's real? I believe so. There's a camera inside the door. Yeah. And when you knock on it, it turns the camera on and shows it on the screen. If I remember correctly, this was different because this was actually from LG's experimental displays division. They were showing off some of their transparent TV tech and they were like, look, look, we could build this into a fridge that can turn translucent and then you don't have to waste energy.

Opening the door. Yeah, but you're illuminating the LCD. That is really funny. Well, I guess, but you're not really because when you're illuminating an LED, you're firing a backlight. But actually, all you're doing with that is if you want to get technical, you're firing charges into the actual crystals, which get them to unhelix and let light pass through, which I don't think requires that much attention.

The beautiful irony of that is you're doing all of that work so that you don't have to open the fridge, that you save a little bit of electricity to save a little money. But that fridge will cost so much more money than a regular fridge. You're doing it for like futuristic chameleon armor fridge. Yeah. Cheapest one is $2,400 on sale. Anyway, this concludes my answer to the question of smart fridges are useless. I agree with that one. Okay.

I like that answer. Do you guys have answers? All the technology in the world? I disagree with that answer. Maybe they're not working very well yet, but I do think there's definitely of like being able to look into your fridge at the grocery store and decide if you need to buy more of X or Y. Theoretically. That seems very useful. I'm just trying to think of something that a lot of people have that I've never found a use for. Giant camera.

I mean, Astro. Yeah, Astro is my... Astro, I would say... Useful. Usefulness. Astro is not useful. No. Astro is not useful. He's just fun. Other than for potential emotional bonding, which is dangerous because it's a robot and it's not a good idea to get bonded to. Get a dog. Well, he won't die, though, at least. There's also a... Actually, he could die. When they end Astro software support in three years and Astro Bot is just a shell of itself and you're emotionally connected to the way it looked at you...

I'm going to cry. There will be some. It's going to happen. It's probably there are very few scenarios for Astro. Also, I don't know if our video on Astro is going to be out by the time this video podcast comes out, but there will be an Astro video at some point. And there's a lot more to this than just calling it totally useless. Next question comes from WillGraph underscore on Twitter. What is he going to graph? Don't worry about it. Apples.

Any YouTube channels that no longer upload that you wish would come back. Oh, yeah. Oh.

Um, God, what is what is this channel name? I have a no I have one there's a specific one Yeah, you can look up. I need to find the name of it in the meantime. I'll say one that it might be Cheating, but I'm gonna say it anyway Casey Neistat daily vlogs I would love that probably not great for his mental health and family life, but selfishly oh man Did he start walking again? Um, he's releasing videos, but it's not daily. Oh

funny enough i say this he just released one yesterday so i'm just being selfish but um i mean if i had to pick one that i he might release one video every like four or five months but this overwatch streamer named seagull one of my favorite old overwatch streamers and now that i'm playing the second one i wish he would release it he still streams but like i just never find the time to watch live streams anymore i always just watch the

The highlights of them on YouTube later. And he hasn't posted in forever. So come back, Siegel, please. I thought of one. And then it's deleted. So there's no shot it works. But there's an old channel back from maybe 10 years ago. 10 years ago, I think, called Tinkernut.

and he just did like sort of like home DIY project stuff and it was really cool and now it's gone. We were pretty good friends back in the day. But then I opened my subscription box on YouTube and you can sort by latest activity and near the bottom of the list is CGP Grey.

And I just, I really enjoy his videos and it's been a long time. Wait, how do you do that? I want to see who... No, he still uploads though. He's active. He's almost at the bottom of all of my subscriptions. Yeah. I mean, as far, this is just YouTube sorting by recent activity.

Yeah. Oh, this might not be accurate, actually. He posts like every like five or six months or so, but I think he's active in other places. True. He put out a video about a month ago that was pretty... He does have a month, yeah. I love CGP great video shots. How'd you do that? Go at the bottom. My answer is going to be my YouTube channel since I never upload. If only you had something to do with it. But...

But there was a channel called Every Frame a Painting that no longer uploads. And they were really amazing. I think they're discontinued. And then there was also a channel called Captain Christian.

Which does upload again? That was my next answer. He stopped like three years ago, and then he just started uploading again. But it's like 11 months ago, four months ago, one week ago. So he doesn't upload that often. But yeah, I think every frame of painting would be my top answer. I really like this little channel called Bishop Vids that used to make funny things about Cleveland. But...

Wait. Specific. Was he the one that made that song about Cleveland? Yeah, he made a few songs. And then the guy, I'm like really trying to remember all the details. He had like, this was back in like 2010 when everyone was sort of rushing to start like multi-channel networks sort of stuff. And there was a multi-channel network that had a sketch comedy show called like Man in the Box or something that I remember really enjoying back then. Five second films.

Oh, yeah. Remember 5-7-5? But that was on a separate... Wasn't that on a separate website? It was like 5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7-5-7

I mean, it's five seconds. I mean, they were good for five seconds. Yeah, they were funny. Next question comes from Luke Bellotta. I hope I'm saying that right. Hypothetically, if you could get a 25% discount for life from a brand or store, would you get a three inch tattoo of their logo? And if so, what brand?

Yes. Absolutely. How many tattoos am I allowed to get? I think you can look like a NASCAR car by the time you're done. Yeah, that's the move. I have two easy ones. The stipulation is you have to show the tattoo whenever you want to get the discount. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Trader Joe's.

actually Trader Joe's is very well priced though yeah but 25% cheaper if you order enough that's worth 25% so like I guess although my argument I would say Taco Bell very quickly but like that's also very fair like it's cheap you don't get it enough and then you're only gonna get a tiny amount off first of all I would probably get a Taco Bell tattoo without the discount cause it's just cool do it you won't

If they send us something, I'll think about it. Thank you, Marques. Please. You guys are thinking small. Well, okay, no, no, no. My other one's REI. Camping and outdoor gear is expensive and they carry all of it. How often do you go? And that would be a cool tattoo. That would be an easy tattoo also. REI, yeah. My first instinct was like, okay, what brands right now are 25% overpriced? So I just wanted to overprice things. So my first thought was Porsche. Porsche?

And Apple. Because we spend so much on computers and things and equipment. And also with Porsche, there's this thing where you can't always get the car you want. So if you got the tattoo, and not only do you get a 25% discount, but you also can just get whatever car. They didn't say that?

It feels like you show the tattoo, you just get the discount. Getting the Ferrari discount, but then since you don't own a Ferrari already, they don't let you buy it. Cool discount, bro, but you can't buy the car. Do you think I would save more in a lifetime of Trader Joe's purchases than you would on a Porsche 25% off? I mean, let's say you just get a Taycan and you save...

$25,000. How fast can I spend? How fast can you spend $100,000? At Trader Joe's, a lifetime. A lot of food. I think I'm getting my money's worth out of that one. But I would love a Trader Joe's tattoo if I had to get a tattoo. Interesting. Just if you had to get a tattoo or you had to get a tattoo of a brand. Of a brand. I'm just clarifying. That is a good one. Next question. Um...

This one comes from SEO Wooncha123 on Discord. That one does not sound like a YouTube name. That's his burner. Yeah, for sure. Can you guys do a podcast with MKBHD? Got you, fam. Next. Don't. It's just this camera now. This one's just for Marques. Marques, any long-term thoughts on the Apple Watch Ultra now that it's been on your wrist for a few months?

Uh, sure. It's pretty brief. I didn't think I was going to keep using it when I first got it because I was in the middle of Frisbee season and this big clunky thing on my wrist kept getting annoying, but I'm still using it because I got so used to the battery life that I got very annoyed when I switched back to the Series 8 and it died after a day. So because of my constant use of this watch, I've just gotten accustomed to

much more than one day of battery life and I don't want to go back to a watch that has less than that so it's good it's it's very durable no scratches at all on the screen no nicks I have maybe a couple like wear marks on the sides but it's great so the killer app for the ultra is just battery life it pretty much is yeah for me anyway it's functionally the same as everything else I would do on the watch like it just happens to be better with battery it's

It's funny what happens when you go from something with so much battery to something off of that. I remember like, yeah, I used a Garmin watch for a week on a trip. And the week after that, I came back and went back to like the Apple watch we're using. I was like, I just didn't use any watch. What's the point? Yeah. I like plan on going on another trip this summer and I know I'm going to pull out one of the Garmin's again and I'm going to come back and not want to use any other watch. But that also doesn't feel like a good daily watch. So it's. Yeah, it's a big watch. It's weird.

Yeah. All right. This question's for the whole gang. This is from at Yuvinanda. Is Pixel the new OnePlus? No. No. I wish they had a train of thought there that we could comment on, but I don't really see the connection. I think they might mean that Pixels used to be cheaper and now they're $900 cheaper.

I would say it's that we said how like the Pixel 7 is cheaper than a lot of other flagships, but up there in terms of like... Has like a flagship chipset. Yeah. It's harder to compare now. I took it more like a fan favorite kind of thing, like for the Android enthusiasts. Oh. Wow, we all went very different. I think that makes more sense. That makes more sense. Pixel's kind of always...

been for the hardcore enthusiasts. I agree. Literally always. OnePlus has definitely been for the Android enthusiasts that care about specs. The paper, on paper. Yeah. And Pixels for all the people that care about computational stuff. Yeah, I would argue Pixels is not the one where right now they're going like, these specs equal these specs, but cheaper. They're just like, this phone

through its use of Google and stock Android, therefore feels as good as these phones or something like that. I don't know. Hard comparison. Yeah. Yeah. I think OnePlus is more like OnePlus right now.

I think the OnePlus 11 feels like old OnePlus, which is a good step forward. That's a good thing. I was going to say, that's a very good thing. Yeah. All right, next question comes from Saqib Tahir. I hope I said that correctly. If not, I apologize. But thank you for the question on Twitter. Has MKBHD as a business ever thought of launching a product or service, a website, web app, app, etc.?

Uh, yeah, this is a good year to be interested in that. This is a good year. Products. You said product services, web app, et cetera. Yeah. Yeah. This is a good year for that. Yes. Yeah. Of course we've thought about it. Not only have we thought about it, we've made some progress that is very meaningful and really interesting and exciting. So stay tuned. That's a good teaser. That's a good teaser. I like that question. Yes. Yes. Luckily they won't know it's MQBHD clone.

They won't know what it is until it hits, but when it hits, he'd be like, oh, that's what he was talking about. I do want to say the speech you just gave is what every fake EV company also says. This is true. And then I take your pre-order money now. Oh. This is a golden opportunity. I won't do that.

But yeah, you're right. It's going to be even better than you think. Yeah. And we're making meaningful progress. Vaporware. I promise it's not vaporware. That's that much I can say. We're setting up a facility in Chicago. Yeah.

I just bought an old factory. It's going to happen, guys. It's going to happen. Okay, this question is from Justin Zenhao. Have you guys ever felt like flipping the roles of hosts and producers? Like making an episode hosted by Adam and Ellis and Marques and Andrew and David sitting at the console? If so, what would the topic be about? Marques, if you mess up this audio, I'm going to... Okay. Okay.

Now you guys get to hear how I sound in Marques' mic. I get to go on Ellis' Slack. You guys get to fight over the mic. Yeah, I can solo on these. Don't press any of the buttons. All right, welcome to the Producer Podcast, where we talk about watches and how loud everyone here has their headphones set. For audio listeners, we have completely switched places, and now I have the crazy mic.

Are your headphones also just juiced to infinity? I can't hear anything over here. You guys hear me? Yeah. Like through the mic? Well, barely over my own breathing. This is so loud. These headphones aren't even turned on. I don't care. I'm so disoriented. Can we switch back, please? All right, that's it. Thanks for the questions. Of course, now we're back to do our trivia answers, which we've promised.

Again, we'll give David the questions at a time when he can't look them up and cheat, and we'll update the scores next week with his results. Maybe he'll get them right. Maybe he'll get them wrong. We'll see. But this is our chance to get them right and get some points. All right. Trivia time. Update on the scores, by the way. Marquez, 6. Andrew, 5. And David, 7. So, Andrew, you got to make up a couple ground here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First question.

What year was the cherry MX switch invented are we gonna do closest also I? Guess cuz David's not here with that might be oh yeah, I might be tough So we should only be able to say if you if you get it right there's also I'll accept two years because the research on this was kind of split and

How are we supposed to know if it's that difficult? It's not that it's that difficult. Whatchamacallit. Patent was released on one year, but the product was released on another year. So depending on how you look at it. Wow. A Cherry MX switch. Cherry MX switch. What year was it invented? The original Cherry MX? Or the original Cherry was 73. Wow, you remember that?

Just the new Cherry MX. Yeah. New, I guess, in quotes. How are we feeling? Confident? Not being able to do closest on this, I don't think anyone's going to get this right. Complete shot in the dark. Absolutely no idea what the answer is. All right, flip them and read. Okay, different answers here. I wrote 1993, my birth year. I did 2000.

Nope, neither of you are correct. Sorry, guys. The correct answer, 1983 slash 84, depending if you want the pain. MX feels like a new age rebranding. I know, it kind of does. I was surprised that it was from 73, the original. I was not expecting that. I guess I should stop thinking it like you think of Cherry MX.

in my world so much of like the gaming atmosphere and then how it's turned in yeah that's a dumb way to look at it because clearly mechanical keyboards are way more than just there are new generations of cherry mx since the original or we're still using 19 cherry mx is still the like the brand of it now or the it's hard to because cherry mx just means it's like that like that company

Yeah, Cherry's the company, or Cherry MX, I guess, is just their branding at this point, but then there's different versions of it because there's the blues, reds, browns, all those different things. So we're not using 1984 technology. No, no, it's changed, I guess, the branding of it. It's also weird to me, I didn't realize the company was called Cherry. It's like Cherry Keyboards and stuff. I had no idea. Yeah. I thought it was just a clever branding name. Anyway, next question. This one is Ellis' question. Man.

So the largest individual semiconductor factory by production volume is operated by what company? I have a feeling we're going to say the same thing. Really? Kind of. Interesting. Well, now I don't have that feeling anymore. Because it sounds like you picked something very obscure. No, I mean, I'm inferencing. I think I picked the least obscure thing that could possibly... I bet you can guess my guess.

Maybe. Maybe. Wait, but, okay. Well, no, we have to guess it before. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Guess it. Screw it. What do you think I said? Let's go for it. Based on what you said, did you say Intel? No. What did you say? Samsung. Oh, I said Intel. I said Samsung. Wait, wait, wait. Semiconductor. Who said what? I said Intel.

I said Samsung. I mean, that's a lot of smarts. 15% of my diet is Cholula. That means right, right? Let's go. It's Samsung. I just assume they make so many things that if you're just talking about single semiconductors. Yeah.

Huh. Yeah. Intel, good guess. But yeah, Samsung is the answer. At this point, I was like, who makes the most electronics? There's a solid chance of that. Samsung, LG, and G8. I was between Samsung and LG, honestly. That's good. Okay. All right. Let's go. I guess I just thought...

Samsung uses Qualcomm chips. They do make the ISO. What do we think David's going to pick there? He might get that one, right? I almost think he's going to try too hard. He's very familiar with Intel, so he might lean Intel like I did. Let's hope. Let's hope. So real quick, I'm just going to cut in David's answers here because I ended up calling him after we recorded the show to get his answers for trivia. So these are David's answers. 1995. 95? I wonder if you can hear this. Hold on.

Intel. You say Intel? Wrong. Samsung. Samsung. Damn it! And it's funny because Marques guessed Intel and Andrew guessed Samsung. So Andrew got the point. I was going to guess Samsung. Yeah, they were wondering which one you would choose.

Well, that's been it for this week. We appreciate you sticking around. And next week, hopefully the video is out. We'll have all our source links and all the stuff that we've talked about below on YouTube or in the show notes when whatever audio app you're using. Is it a real source? Is it a fake source? Who knows? We'll just, you know, leave a little footnote. You'll have to click in for yourself and see. Either way, we'll catch you guys in the next one. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We are partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vayne Syl.