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What is people of the internet? Welcome back to another regularly scheduled episode .

of the way from podcast where your host and our David ah well played.

played. I was wondering why you didn't write that in the scrips because .

you just had ready to I really ready just .

came out was good. Yes, if you already watch our productivity a based apps vers anger's .

massive life, you should .

check that out. IT went up at this past week and it's super fun and it's um prompted a lot of people to diagnosis various things, which is totally cool too. But I think it's still worth watching.

But this week got a lot to talk about because, uh, we miss some stuff that technically happened last week because you know how we record on wednesday is and then all the news happens on thursday. We're like, why do D S see apple the act or we record the podcast? crazy. So we got a lot of galaxy I want to talk about dub, dub, I O F S D, just all right ones. D J, yeah.

So we're going to talk, we're going to talk about all that stuff um but we should start with the feathers to start with the fevers yeah I am not side you threads but I don't keep up as much with mr done and others like blue sky yeah but there's apparently finally some developments with activity part in connecting all of them. So why don't you explain what's happening? Because yeah.

I might have to change. So this will probably be a wider episode later on because we're sort of working on like a what do these protocols mean? What is the feed diverse? What is activity public? There's all these acronyms .

and we universe of cheese .

yeah that's .

what haven't thinking. Yes, federation. Um okay. So threads is one of the platforms that is starting to adopt activity pub, which is this open standard published by the w 3c which is the world by web consortium。

We love standards groups. I accounts baby love standards groups. Uh and effectively what activity pub is as you can kind of think I think of a sort of similarly to email.

It's like I can send a message on gmail. I can send a measure through outlook. But because it's a open uh platform or an open col col to col, thank you you you're onna, receive that the same way no matter what platform you're on. So if I am on threads, which is now federating, which is that means they're using activity pub, there's a lot of words.

the following, yes, is that way for the bigger.

And yeah, the big I need .

a reset is a .

little bit easier. Basically a if you post something on threads, if I put something on threats and you on master on are following my threads account through massed on which you can now do, you will see my threads posts on masted on. And there's a lot of benefits to this.

IT allows you to choose like what platform you wanna use. You don't have to hot back in four potatoes, different platforms all the time. This is a very big move over all because thread has like a hundred million users, which is crazy ethic.

Over hundred million users blast to pass one hundred blasted past in the first like couple months. Um and the thing about activity, pub is theoretically ally. The more platforms that started to support IT, the more interOperable they become, the more incentive there is for these closed services like x to support activity pub.

Because there's all the thing about the stickiness of an application, right? And there's these social graphs. And if you're social graph is on an activity pub enabled platform that allows you to see their their posts on whatever platform you're using instead of only being able to see their stuff on like x or or close source platform, you're going to be more incentivized to federate.

I think that probably usually true, but in the case of x formerly twitter, where they're already one of the top ten biggest websites in the world, they might not feel that pressure. They yeah x is I like pits yeah really I just when you're when you're that big already as far as .

yeah as a social media platform for sure. But the thing is you can think of like massed on plus threads as one media platform now, right? And so the more the more social media platforms that people are using, like every now and then, that federate kind of add to this globe that becomes the omega official .

media IT raises the floor. Because if if you were to start like a brand new social network, you would definitely want to be federated. You'd want to have all the interpretation to because otherwise there is no one there, no activity. yeah.

So if you're wait down at the beginning, you definitely want to raise the floor to include that, right? But once there is all the company test of, okay, minds different cases as these features, minds different as this U I or these rules or whatever, yeah, then once years maybe started to take off, that's not as important. And if you never were in in the first place and you're sitting over here and you've got this whole this features, maybe there isn't much yeah, I think that like platforms .

like x that are not planning on federating, don't have incentive to add activities, help support until a time in which they become the non dominant .

social place .

necessary, right? So anyway, um meta has been talking about adding activity pub support for a long time, which feels weird and interesting because the markets are going to do there are a big platform already necessarily need to. There's a lot of reasons why that makes sense from a business perspective that mark zachery has kind of figured out. I think he's kind of the king of making IT seem like they're doing things that are just like good for the open web, but actually have like a really, really good business incentive.

Yes, I always say companies this size, any time to make a public decision, there is always the reason they tell you yeah and the real reason exact.

And so anyway, threats. Just open the photo vers beta in the U S. Canada, in japan, which basically means if you turn this on in your settings, people on madan or other federated activity pub enabled platforms can follow your threads account so you are mastered on, can follow David mail at threads that net.

And when I post something on threads, you'll see low .

people OK.

So this is right now, the beta is just making IT available on there. But there you are. Whatever you doing.

it's like super beta. Ultimately, what they want to be able to happen is that when people come on, master on, i'll also be able to see those comments on threads, right? But right now, the the old amount of beta that IT is right now is like when I post things on thread, people can see those on mast on and they can like and comment them on, master on, and they show up in threads, but they don't show up in threads. They will eventually.

Okay, so no, when this is fully, this is fully fleshed out, what is like? This is, let's say, masted on blue sky. And threads are all federated, and this is fully flesh.

So blue sky uses a different protocol called the throw a blue sky, yeah, through a blue sky OK.

Yeah, yes. So, so OK .

for this is.

it's gonna like this. I think my point is this is confusing, but I want to understand. So they're fully federated. The full.

so perfect entries. I have a third on that account. I don't necessarily need to master master on account but they both use activity pub so i'm i'm posting on my threads account davia mail at threads dont net you are masted on and or like oh, David doesn't ask on our account but I see he's threads account I can follow his threads account you follow me and mass down because that's your primary application of choice that you like to use i'm posted on threads. You see my post. You can comment like I consider comments and likes on threats so kind of just feels all like one giant native social application.

I will I have a question. Yes, any question doesn't mass on have like a lot of different servers though. So wouldn't you as a threads user need to be in the mass? No, no.

Because me if you're following them, then you're like, I don't use mass them, but I thought the server was just like .

ways that you can .

find people.

no. So you can think of different masses on servers that you join as like the at threats, doctor. It's where you're being hosted, right? And so those different masses on servers can have different moderation tools that can have different like all these different things. But the content stream, the reason it's called activity pub, it's because your activity is being published, that activity, uh, could be a lake IT.

could be a rebo g.

could be a is also is like maybe .

this is an affair analogy, but like with R S S and like podcast, where I think like this is the thing I feel like kind of understand the perfect scenario aspect of IT. Essentially, people are posting on the social media platform and then you just get to pick how you want interact with that. So like I listen to podcast on spotify if you use um I got all the like pocket cast google potest yeah poked cast like pretty much that it's like we all looking at this. We're looking at the same information, but we're looking at in different ways the things that just fit us Better.

which is why some of my questions might not have perfect answers. Like if someone has a master on account and logs in and seize my threats activity and follow as my threads account, does that follower get added to my threads profile? Because right now that's not how podcast work.

I'm not sure about that. I don't know. There is going to be an answer right away here if I follow you in pocket cast apple podcast has no idea. And then if some activity that I post on threads shows up on your master on time line and you engage with IT, that shows up to people who don't have a massed on account, they're just on the threads APP. And then they reply to you, does that allow them to follow or see your master on activity in threats?

I think IT will once it's fully built out, okay, yeah, it's going to be like one giant social network in a way.

So this kind of already exists with ABS that already federated. So for example, like instagram, there's this up called pixel fed where if you post the picture on pixel fed and i'm following that account on my method on the picture, will just show up on my method on feed. I like IT. You will see that like across the platforms yeah activity .

pub protocol standardized a bunch of different social actions ah so that you can still have like tailored apps that are like pixel that that are more instagram like that are focused on instagram. And if I go to pixel fed, I only really see photos. But if i'm on threats, I can follow that pixel fed account, so I can just see your photos mixed with the other stuff on.

That's interesting. So the reason to be on a different version of this giant social mesh would be to tailor or different features or content to your it's almost .

like when we feel and like all the different twitter clients because that was just a different way to experience twitter. But sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this way, you can get a different user interface, you can get different features, but you can also sort of follow different people's different styles of content through an rss style there.

Yeah reminds me how everyone's like, wow, instagram, today's just video, all real, and everyone that was just pictures you just can jump on .

the one that right? So instead, everyone have to this is a great example. The amount of new apps that come out that are like we're gona be the new instagram, we're focusing around just photos or even there's like ones that are coming out now that you're like just film photography and like how are you going to get a user base that is sustainable enough if you're being that need? But if you're federated suddenly, IT doesn't matter like you don't have to get people to sign up for a new APP. You can just like fall, you can just have an APP that specifically only feeds you that content. So I think that IT .

all sounds really cool. There is some points of this when we explaining IT that sounds so much like I like VC pitch of like what if you could do things and the things you like in APP, you can do him here and thing you like all in one yeah promise.

IT all work the differences. This is open. So I think that was only about IT.

Is that like IT feels like that? I don't know. Yeah, it's all interesting.

but have you have ever heard of active worlds?

No.

he was like this weird um I social newt doesn't really describe IT it's like sort .

of similar to second life.

But I was sort of intended to be somewhere between like a web browser and a message board, but in the style of a second life style game. And IT feels very much like this, like the whole idea is that there would be all of these like community moderated servers or worlds, and then on there people would like stick images on the walls .

at line school.

But yeah, if you, I don't know.

oh my god, never heard that product.

You click on anything to open a web page or like a browse because you'd like post messages like that. And IT was sort of like all IT was really cool. And like all the world have like very different rules and flavors and like moderation policies. And IT feels sort of like a version of that where you don't need to fall on.

enter the matrix and .

no exact.

But anyway, I think it's like it's a the more apps that you can get federated, the more people are going to be like small, smaller niche apps like instagram. But only photos are going to be incentivize to make something that is federated because people can just tap into IT directly instead of having to grow a user base that's going to be super freak.

Hard to interesting. That thread is federated, but instagram feels like I never would be.

I don't think integram ever .

going fascinating.

Yeah they make too much money being tiktok. Yeah yeah true.

So but you know speaking of totally different words ah, two very different development conferences invites went out you like that has free salad yeah you like yes google six google and apple both announced their developer conference data this summer. Google I O and worldwide uber conference being apples. Um we expect very different things at each of .

these and I guess but also not really well.

we we expect similar things in different styles. We expect A I from both of them. Yeah well, maybe i'm getting ahead myself, but jaws tweet is going to be absolutely incredible with both of an absolutely and I an incredible capital .

he thinks .

were twelve so yeah A I probably we all got that but I think, yeah, we all kind of been waiting for this A I thing from apple for forever and it's the invites, the theory colors. And like we've been hearing all murmurings about, you know, ChatGPT in OpenAI but also gami in google. And like what is apple actually going to do with A I on the iphone? Even lately i've seen um i've had just random mentions of A I from apple where they like oyez. We've spent an A I company time like we've had the most advanced neural engine on our apple siccan chips for years now I know my yeah you I think you can just start saying that now you're not wrong, but you haven't then saying IT like that until just not recently. So it's kind of interesting.

I would argue they are wrong.

It's you could you could silo in an argument or they're technically right. But also my .

is that an incredible amount of things that people are branding as A I now were just machine learning that, that has been happening for a very long time.

And it's because apple had never, apple never says A I and I made a whole video about apple never says A I and then just recently, they like all, yeah, we, oh yeah, that's us A I first we said, IT, yeah yeah I know we say machine learning in north and our stuff, but like, yeah, this is, are they you just gna suddenly say A I thousand times on stage this year? I do.

Do I think they just wait a really long time to make sure that something is actually like a new categories, actually sticking before they associate themselves .

with every feature in the iphone? Pretty much it's like all of the new features have been out already. And then they just like waited till IT was definitely popular, polished, the out popped yeah .

popular or like offered real, real utility to their customers because I think there are plenty of things that you could offer, you could argue, were wave way early in other phones, but didn't really offer utility. And then IT took extra years. People figure, oh, that's actually good for people here. And there are so many little examples.

I'm very, very interested in what besides like Better theory, like a fully revamps like transformer by syria, which I really hope exit um they're going to add because there I really don't think they are going to do like A I while papers and all of that kind of stuff.

right? There's lots of those little things that others have done first that aren't necessarily that useful like yeah while papers but then there are some things that I think are obvious wins like what they were done, the keyboard they are really done .

a Better out of you, by the way, I feel like has made the keyboard worse and I actually haven't know anything different for IT feels .

like just if typing a word that's like a commonly used like this morning I was trying to type the word a trades .

and my phone it's from doing from .

it's a doing thing OK.

No, no, no, no, no. It's not like I was trying .

to like IT like I would finish the word correctly and then IT would do IT like if because IT does the predictive what letters coming next yeah so if I if IT really struggles to know, like it's almost the touch created useless, especially in my little tiny mini phone .

yeah true true.

It's really it's and it's not a .

weird i'm just it's just slightly above for .

toda for me and slightly above IT. I just don't think I would know how to spell IT yeah but also like transforms are trained on the commonality of house and words are used around other words.

it's in the most popular movie right now.

right?

right?

It's a joe ku .

and seen .

doing .

I stow and seen .

a trade.

yes, but my argument is that their fictional names and characters yeah places .

so people are typing .

them into their iphone.

Yes, that's not how this is trained.

It's not no it's trend .

on like an existing dataset of common words really yeah there are likes probably up to like twenty, twenty two yeah and also other people. So there is a mechanism in the new I O S seventeen keyboard that learns based on the way that you type right. But IT doesn't learn based on the way the other iphone users.

So a fake fan 啊。

And I clearly.

that's a great point .

actually though.

because I feel like that apple le's whole problem thus far is that they don't have that giant data set of which is why probably .

going to use gina. That's the whole argument they don't like. Their whole thing is security. And we don't scrape your data and we don't scrape by the people's data and give each other people and with large language models.

that kind of bone, yeah, I want to I want to paint this. I want to paint this as clearly as possible in order to have a really and we've i've phrases many different ways, but in order to have the smartest st possible, most useful A, I like think of a, think of a real humanist system, who's going to help you out in order for that person to be the most helpful for you.

They need to know everything about you, right? If they are gonna start scheduling your flights. They need to know, oh, do you like window w seats? Do you like you usually fly at this airport? Do you like united or delta? They need to know everything about you. And so if you're knowing everything about someone, you have a lot of data on them and an minimal privacy. But apple's whole stance and their whole policy is to keep as little data as possible, none if they can help IT, and to know nothing about you, and to keep everything private as much as possible, which is great and very noble and super.

It's a big and a lot of people like the but now that means that by definition, I think cannot build the most helpful assistance that knows everything about you yeah and so how does apple get around this? Like apple, google out here and know and everything about you and giving you all the information you could possibly put on your blind yeah before you even know you want that, it's like I know you about to wake up. I'm start helping you out with the thing you're going to for breakfast like IT knows you super well, yes. And so they're able to offer all this helpful stuff, which people like, do they partner? Do they compromise on that, that policy that they have to let google in the door to collect or or to at least use the data already have me with them, collect on the iphone.

But use this is what I think google has collected so much data over time. And I think apple just can be like we're gona use.

And da. One to one match of what they need? Or do iphone users may be use their phones slowly differently than the all the other users they already have? I don't know if that's going to come up.

IT seems more focused around large language models, I would guess, yeah and like natural language processing. So they'll probably use IT for theory. I don't really see them using IT for a lot of other stuff, which is why i'm actually very curious because if this whole w to bc supose be focused around ai, I imagine they are going to like for multiple of their products, say we added some sort of AI to this, but what else besides theory could they add A I to that would make like a large .

number of minders?

I was not say the rumor did say, like I O S eighteen right features so IT was plural so there are partially many different things in there that I could be added to .

I guess like and when just has absolutely be incredible assumes .

that that can be like the theme of the yeah yeah so the probably point of i'm super interested in both of these happening and they're being a connection. Are they going to talk about each other during their .

t like apple has to talk. I would say that's probably part of the deal is, is that they don't .

have to mention google at all. I would be really good. They never mention google is a for no.

This what before we get to? Did they mention good when google became the .

default .

arching so far? Did .

they talk back in two thousand .

eight OK? yeah.

But when apple announced R. C, S. Was out in an event or just .

that is I don't think give us even impress really.

I think I just went out to a journal. Yeah, I was not impress release. I I think I would be really interesting. I know that these companies look like they copy each other's features a lot. So when i'm trying to predict what they're going to do, i'm literally looking at what's just happened with the past couple of google events and even samsung like circle .

to search kind .

of an interesting future, right? Something on my screen. I want to just like quickly search that thing online and bring you your results that could be interesting. Or maybe I message you, start planning a trip in a group chat, maybe this little assistant clippy bot comes down and start helping you plan the trip. IT does not have to be clippy because it's apple, not microsoft. But you looking at all g parallel feature yeah crags head flos down looks like you're trying to plan yeah that's my thought process for trying to figure out what other than seri apple could be doing with A I yeah I mean.

considering they update pretty much every OS for all of their devices, hopefully we're going to see some coming to like the watching .

ipad was going .

to be my question because .

remember google, they announced gami with like three different versions of which one was supposed be on the phone. Pico, something. Thank you.

Um apple has watches, they have ear buds like there are so many other things, computers. Yeah, what is that gonna be like? Yes, I just plugged. I would .

gna gets put on the apple watch and watch.

see, I was going to say they know gets put on the phone or something similar yeah, the watch, these multiple features coming to multiple devices. I just don't see IT being a one to one fix to like other things.

Yeah, I know. Well, there's also okay. So there's the distinction between like local A I and cloud based A I as well.

The local stuff is the best experience usually is the fastest, like the live translations. If you just download language model, whatever you can do, live translations of device that's usually awesome.

Which an apple was pretty last bit of A D C. They mentioned a lot of local learning like being incorporated to so many different things. So is this like uh, an aspect of they're onna keep the local stuff themselves? And I think I .

actually believe that the rumor when we talked about this two weeks ago, maybe this happened. The rumor was specifically the apple was outsourcing into a google for the cloud based AI star.

I forget if I was that, but I remember the article very much feeling like german. I wasn't taking over all of them yeah that was features and that this is going to be kind of split.

I think it's far cloud stuff. okay. yeah. So yeah, could be interesting. And then of course, google I, O, which we make the first. Oh yes.

sorry. Do we is IT just do we think they mention google or ga?

Do think the word google is on stage?

Or or germany google or germany .

or do think .

like I don't think .

they say either either .

what you wow as a tough one. I think if we really think they're partnering and using I I don't think they actually will be partnering. I want to go with no, you I think that the rumor is false. I think yeah really, really think they're gona try to do as much on device as possible and that's gonna the the hill that they die on and they're onna want to over time be able to bring more and more things on device. But they might just take a stance against going to the cloud for these slogs pad because serious I mean, that's serious. Bad yeah like that people I mean, I don't know if they know how bad series is, but yeah, I think that that's more likely that they just try to keep everything local and on device so they don't send your information somewhere. And hopefully that doesn't get Better.

You can incorporate german I into things where germany is pulling from. All the other sources is learning from. But good apple doesn't have to put your stuff into IT, right?

Yeah, I don't think that apple will use a local german I model. I think that they will only use german I for cloud based A I that they need the cloud for.

I think if they do use gi, they ve got to say at least I don't think you're going to say IT at at all. Okay, let's assume that they will use germany O K, O K. I think that .

they will say the name I google and german.

I I don't .

like say either I am i'm seeing IT as .

A I think you'll be funny. They do. I want to say we're just gonna skip the vision O S. That's a whole other thing is like we expect vision pro updates, probably wwdc. yeah.

But now I was like thinking about that last year was it's kind of exciting. Now we get this all big. It's four of the vision pro as well.

Yeah but that's kind of cool. Like because usually they introduced the iphone features that we didn't even think everyone like. That makes a long sense.

That's really dead. yeah. And is that going to happen for vision pro or or that they're probably just going to introduce the things .

that people have .

been .

complaining about.

I my guess is at the we're going to see a lot of especially the first time round, it's only been out for a few months. It's gonna like a bunch of different programs that helps developers create inside of IT Better where us three won't have any idea with any of that.

They're definitely highlight like how many how many apps have come out for IT sense lage and things like that. Some of the highlights in the best apps, oh, personas are out of data now are their version one dot one or something. They're Better than last time. Stuff like that.

I think IT will be a minor vision. O S. I think I mean .

minor minor is minor to the consumer.

But add that to the list of like nineteen O S, is that they're got yeah exactly T V O S visions S I O S macos but OK google I O google. We've seen endless leagues of uh, possible pixel was at eight a and we, I think expect that to finally be unveils at least and then I still wish .

they would just drop IT with the mainline phones and and be on the number yeah.

nothing stopping them. Yeah.

nothing is stop google because they make a three hundred and fifty eight .

o google shader who would buy hundred or three hundred fifty eight picks that came out the same day yeah .

and when we were also talking about how that is basically the eight, yeah so so never mind. I get IT right. Yeah mid it's like a mid cycle refreshing or like a mid cycle like hey yeah can buy the slightly cut down one.

I guess we're expecting the updates on gi on the phone versus a system on the phone this very moment in time. It's not clear why people should be moving .

from one to the other. I do have potential theory and I might be too early for this. So but I assume we can probably assume that the eventual plan is to either deprecate assistant or deprecate gi and eventually merge them into one or actually probably it's going happens because right now gami, the official amy is like google gami powered by gami ultra one point five or something like that.

And I think they're doing that very intentionally so that they can like get recognition for the model so that later they can say a google assistant is now powered by geri ultra two point four, so IT sell the model. So I imagine and this is just a theory that maybe at this google I O, they'll announce they're working on merging them so that everything is just google assistant. Again.

I thought you're gonna say the more google thing of kill both of them, can we make a new that yes.

it's called google messenger.

It's come hang out.

I do think I do hope we see something that that's not this make the .

decision between going to mix them. But I I just would like that to happen sitting rather than later.

Yeah that's honest. The biggest update i'm expecting. Yeah obviously android updates as well in general, but yeah yeah very different style.

Yeah so similar .

question before assuming germany is going to the iphone. Does google talk .

about apple? no.

And how they're gna be powering things on the iphone .

and which .

is also funny because it's earlier than ww.

also they couldn't they you don't think so.

I think apple .

yeah because apple hasn't announced anything that I did. Imagine stage we're power whatever apple coming within the next.

they might say something like we've we've established some leading industry partners that you're going to yes, I do .

think it's harder, but they announced things before, like with samsung before samsung's announced things right at I O. I know I am just .

yeah now they'll be i'm sure .

that features .

that that see, we will say A I more on on stage.

Why is the google?

GLE will say IT google last year and there they're ended up actually here's the bet google say AI more or less .

times than last year. Yeah.

what's the over? Yeah, what is last?

Let just find that out quick and.

Oh no.

i'm waiting.

Something going to a super cut someone is going to get, is a super cut. Get the super cut machine ready? Because we gotta use that to count how many times as he was.

one hundred and thirty seven.

Throw two hundred a hundred .

thirty yeah over one fifty.

It's one of you .

to say more over you over that last presentation. They literally were saying and not that like every sentence ah i'm going under because I think they'll say more different types of buzz ds like models and large language and stuff like that.

They're gonna say multimodal like eight times as many times as they did last time yeah they need to flex what's different about german I versus the other models. And in less GPT, five comes out, which I I assume is going to be multi model unless that comes out before I O, they're going to flex the hell out of IT.

So what's your over under?

Over one, over one thirty seven.

one fifty?

I say, if google wants to flex, they should pretend to just move on from A I. They should be other. Just now getting to A I, we're on to S A, I, super advanced. I, here we are super tomorrow.

I yeah. A I type .

r do think.

oh my god, do you apple a mention google? They will say, gift from google.

Audience.

the goal where there will be.

O, K, so 呃， yeah, i'm going under because I do think that eventually the terminology A I is gonna just get tired. And people, it's gonna the same as machine learning, big data, interactive things. It's the same with all of these buzz ds, like everyone uses them for a while so that the stock Price goes up and then eventually, when it's the industry norm.

people to p stock.

But I also think last year was thicker. I would argue this .

years there's more going on. I think it's more in the public knowledge is then last year.

apple says it's so little that if this is the first year, they say A I A hundred times on stage, everyone's ships lifted from that if you're in the AI boat, which is why google has the chance to like separate themselves again and be like we were beyond A I or even Better, we're in the galaxy speaking, eyes speaking, galaxy speak, galaxy.

I'm going over. I think that I, I, I agree both of that goes next year. I am going to say under.

okay, Alice.

i'm going to take i'm going to take the over really.

Yes, I think you're gonna .

start on pace to be over because soon going to .

open with a monolog about A I I N yes.

it's getting me. They will have to use .

IT like more than once a minute, every .

minute of .

IOS three minutes.

But they easily I mean.

they did that last year. No, I so I am saying so i'm i'm taken the dude every twenty seconds for two hours if they hit the .

I think there's a chance they go back and watch some of the early minutes of last year AR if they partner .

with that audio company. Is that three there? I'm almost expecting some .

sort of me about IT at some point where they just go A I, A, I, A, I, A, I, A I, I just .

like a water per ser .

or chicken er yeah I I don't know google with me that but I am gone under is that .

beautiful .

side way .

back up the galaxy? I just want to magine some of those galaxy I feature that were on the galaxy four that we were like, wow, thanks to the new snapp rag and they can do this circle to search really fast and they can do all this to, yeah on the twenty .

three now yeah it's also not thanks. This time trip is on the pixel as well. Yeah so rock .

that whole thing.

Yeah yeah. Every year, it's always like only on the new the the newest snapdragon can we enable this. And then two months later, they're like, we figured out away who were the oldest. Wow, we could have thought in a huge breakthrough, totally not in.

I have a question about that. Do you think it's a hardware thing where they're physically holding back hardware like chips exclusively for like two months? Or is IT like no soft?

No, it's conflict device.

So give you a reason to buy .

to buy the new. yeah.

But in there, if you were to get a new device that has that chip, could you just enable IT yourself?

But it's not even about the chip, just a thing. It's always about the chip, but it's never about the chip.

We have a new device here and there is very little new. So we're going to take some of these software features and lock them to the new device so that when this launches, IT looks like a more impressive delta. And then three or four weeks or maybe a month or two later, we go, right, sale Spike is over, right? You guys can have IT too. This is actually something we could put on Oliver to.

But so is just a software really just lie.

which, you know, to be fair, I should be the ungrateful that they put on the older devices they don't have do obviously, they're taking the time to support all advice. So happy about that.

They're going to do IT anyway because hardware phones isn't giving you the big new feature that you want to upgrade your phone for. Software is so like they're going to lock at one where another I guess we should be yeah maybe not happy yeah be great daily. You know what I mean no, like they don't have to do IT and they will lock IT to make .

you buy new phones. The sales graph is like release three months later were here and they're like throw yeah so um yeah but the funny thing about that is they never actually said I was going to stay free. They said IT was free until at least twenty twenty five for what you for all the galaxy A I feature way yeah, in the fine print, IT says free until at least twenty twenty five.

things that only only the reason I have not been using the .

AI features on my phone.

I no right the way adam .

does things that he doesn't use, things that he doesn't want to later want to use if he switch devices. So when he's on an iphone, he doesn't use a message.

which I can tell that's really healthy and really unhealthy.

I think you tell me, I think .

it's I need cross platform for everything and yeah, but I turned IT off eventually yeah I turned IT on everyone's .

in a while. See see what it's like my toe in and then just turned off and disappoint one that cirl sort pretty sick yeah .

wait yeah but I don't want .

to pay for that sound .

just not can use IT I yeah I would they charge .

for so okay, my theory .

is that hot? Yeah I mean.

yeah, my theory is that they are testing the waters to see how much people actually use these AI features. And if IT starts being a lot, that means it's going to cost them a lot of inference costs to google or orge open an eye whoever they're using as their back end because they have to pay on like a per use spaces query. And so if IT ends up costing a lot of money, i'll probably start charging and and they have a huge user base.

They have the option to start charging people. That's why they said free until at least twenty, twenty five they are. We're going wait and see, but this does cost a lot of money. So let's figured out .

would IT be fair to say that we don't know how much something like this would cost like period, like every single person constantly ping data centers and running transformer models.

I has like they have transparent costs for queer queries and stuff through .

like different types of a mass adoption scale. Like could that have the potential to actually like cost billions of dollars and not bees at all?

correct.

The for the question.

sort of the trade off you have to make is like you could train your own models, but training your own models costs hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars. So that so instead, you just least models from other people. So that sort of the trade office, like if you don't have a lot of users, you might as well just least because it's not going to cost you that much. But the users you do have, we're going to be very happy. But if you hit a critical mass where you have so many people that leasing those models is costing you so much money, you might want just put the money and now to train your own model.

So but I and I meant like Operating the models to like Operating the data center.

No, I cost .

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one will see how the rythm of the nights es so uploaded, june sixteen s two thousand and nine. This four point four billion view masterpiece is the oldest video on youtube all time top thirty list. What video is that? All .

this vio, this is the top .

thirty on the top thirty all time most of views. This is the oldest video on that list, uploaded june sixteen and two thousand and nine. IT currently has four point .

four billion views. If you did multiple choice, I guarantee i'll get IT right. But because it's not there are too many possible options.

but i'm going to track well. Let me let me say this. This is the only video on the top thirty list upload in two thousand and nine yeah.

none of the like me episode o didn't get this many of views.

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couple .

hundred millions.

Walker Walker was updated in two thousand and ten.

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a two thousand eleven video that was uploaded by t series twenty eleven, twenty eleven know that .

videos had over four billion. Remember when gung himselve .

was the first video .

to every one?

Plant earth. Plant earth and babies. To .

people say, we like eight billion people all .

watching baby show like twice yeah .

that dad .

is actually crazy because if you think about IT, there are a lot of babies who haven't seen baby shock, which means the average number of times each baby who has seen baby shock has replyed IT is probable.

I will say that I bet you parents just cycle baby shark without watching IT just as music on youtube. It's kind like, remember the era before spotify where the way that people would listen to music was to just watch yeah to videos.

People really care about the music video. I want you to hear the song .

when I got my first ipod touch that came with the the youtube APP. And I as soon as I click for me, I was like, it's over for the music industry. I've never pay again.

The youtube I was prety pretty. Og.

even just baby shark on spotify has six hundred and eighty five million please. That's but that's only the audio version and not including the like twenty different ways you can listen to IT on you too.

Probably eight thousand remixes of IT as well to billion .

IT is nothing.

Depressio has a billion views, which is kind of funny that .

like everyone .

has seen desperately .

to once i've never seen the music, I again, how many I watch? I've watched .

that at least six.

six.

six, because I see this all time.

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yeah, that's the first I ever .

started to watch IT so IT your child .

no SHE only listens .

to great, very god.

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flash way form walk back A I want to sue every company on the planet who publishes news on thursdays because that means that we don't talk about IT in our defense.

They publish this like thursday afternoon. So even if we recorded on thursdays, we probably want to miss IT was also funny.

The bonus episode came out. And there are people like two episodes now .

where you haven't talked about.

we were all about IT OK.

Yeah yes what we made last week.

yes, the department of justice has formally sued apple ink over monopolization stuff. Um and there's a there's a whole big old eight eight page court filing that I read that was hard a little hard to read but also IT was kind of written in like a story way, which was interesting like IT literally starts off with this. Okay, the way this filing starts .

off is one door .

the time in retelling this amazon kindle ad about how this person was like using the kindle APP on your iphone and then grabs and android phone and continues reading on the kindle APP on their android phone. And there's an email from an apple person which stop sending emails that are incriminating. Guys like to stop doing this, who says, look at this ad, you can easily switch to reading your kindle on your on an android phone.

That's a bad thing. That's a terrible thing. And it's like why, you know, so they're clearly saying we want to create these gates. This is literally how the filings opens to kind of paint this this picture, how apple store to keep you on their egos and compelling.

yes. So so music .

no kind is yeah.

IT tells more yeah.

But IT centers around apple building a dominant iphone ecosystem and intentionally stiffing competitors ability to compete and also rocking in users, things we all know that apple just does.

Uh IT also complains about the shifting restrictions and rules with the APP store um and then also IT makes all of these allegory to when they broke up microsoft and well they didn't break up microsoft but when theyve sued microsoft way back when and they say that apple only grew to the behemoths that they are today because of that lawsuit, effectively what was happening at the time is microsoft was making quick time, not work correctly on windows computers, which had like ninety seven percent of the market at the time. And they had apparently actually intentionally written code into windows computers that would make quick time like a break and just not work, which basically didn't. Yeah, I feel like I experience this problem.

You didn't do windows media player with the cool. I definitely stay .

for a while, but I think ick time was one of the early screen quarters and I was not good. Yeah and itunes .

is like founded in quick time. So the way that the department of justice painted this was only because we suit microsoft and forced them to allow able to create applications on your platform that work correctly was apple able to launch itunes? And therefore, I launched the ipod, which they say is the whole reason that apple, I grew to the behemoths that they are today.

I sure that's a reason. I would say the mac is probably a more um like valuable product for them. But the ipod obviously did sort of start a whole thing for them. I loved them to be a platform .

IT definitely did. And what could you argue that mac up more popular because they went after microsoft and her microsoft somewhere, which had such market, are so like, even so. So the department of justice created apple is what they're getting .

in yeah that's what they are yeah, which is funny. And anyway, there are five primary complaints in this document, and I figured that we go through all of them and just kind of discuss like if they are valid or not because there's a lot of controversial takes in this filing. There's lot of things that I would say like I kind of see what you're saying, but I feel like you're reaching in order to just break up apple.

Yeah I would say like before get what would a what would a success look like for the D O, J for suing apple because breaking up apple doesn't seem like what do they actually want to accomplish you?

I think that I mean, there's five different categories, and I would assume that it's like a winning on all five of these categories.

And if they win, then they change apple, change apple's behavior and some yeah basically changing .

their behavior. I think what they trying to do OK. O so let's just go through the five categories in order to the number one category that the department of justice says the apple is anticompetitive for is not allowing super apps, which I don't really understand this complaint very much um because we just don't have super apps in the united states. What is the super APP?

So we don't. But in china there is yet apple called we chat, which is a super APP. And the argument is that apple does things like delay updates to we chat and things like that, that make IT just more difficult to have .

that on the APP store. So we chat is on the APP store, which is why I find that confusing. A super APP, by the way, is like it's an APP that you can do a ton of different things. And so in china, yes, so in china, there's a the super APP is called Richard and you can pay your taxes and we you can order a taxi.

you can make a dentist appointment. And then when you get this obvious, you ve signed in checking .

with which I and pay with which I yeah you pay with which I, it's like, it's everything. And so I think that the department of justice is reasoning here is if you have a single APP that allows you to do anything and its not about the hardware at all, you could easily move to an android phone because as long as you have this APP that has all these services on IT that are interOperable depending on like in a doesn't matter haring, then there would be a lot easier for people to move to android phones.

And those thing apple is not allowing that.

Yes, which I don't really understand.

I think it's because even though the APP is on the APP store, it's a cut down version of the full mobile APP. IT doesn't have full functionality. So like i'm looking at the reviews right now on the up store and one of the reviews is a three star review, and he says still very annoyed to have to use the mobile version to get the full system to work at all.

Like mobile and .

brother version, something like that, like all different APP yeah.

all these different features that which had has built in, you get a sliced down mobile version in apples APP versus if you have an android phone, you just get the full, the full APP in the full experience. interesting. yes.

I would also guess that apple has a lot of restrictions on what apps are allowed. Do yeah think everybody yeah something else that apple has been specifically like trying to block is like having too many micro services with in an APP because then they have to review everything that the APP can do, right?

Their main complain about not allowing game streaming services, which they now do, which is strange that the game streaming thing is a complaint because they now allow game streaming services. There are main reason that they didn't allow game shaming services for a long create time is because they were saying we'd have to review every single game that's on the service to make sure that it's not harmful to the user. And every time there's an update to any of the games on a game streaming service, we'd have to review every single update, every single title on a game streaming service.

The department of justice says that the reason that they didn't allow that was that you could use any hardware. There's an email from a an apple person that says, here's a problem, if user goes to a garage sale and pays five bucks for an android phone and everything is cloud based, they don't need high and hardware and then they don't even need an iphone, that's an issue. We should deal with that .

yeah this is this is coming back again till like i'm sure with each one of these complaints, apple has a public facing reason and a real reason, right? And I feel like we're going hear a lot in the public of what apple will say is the reason. But we also know that they clearly do not want the walls of the garden to get any more.

Yeah the juicy is part of this entire thing is going to be discovery where the department of justice gets to go through all of their emails and we gets a find time of amazing um yes. So what do you guys think about this? The super APP thing?

I think it's right in line. So the the reason that apple will say is this super APP thing, IT does too many things that takes too long to review. And IT is not something that we want in our store. But the real reason that also true is if someone uses all of the features of this super APP to do everything and doesn't anything else about the iphone and they can easily search to another phone, right? So theoretically, that's one of the reasons that they should change and allows you perhaps I get IT.

which is kind of like the federal or just think .

is also kind of wear that apples like, well, we have to look over all of these different things. And I come on, that's a lot of stuff. It's like you own an in same amount of market here, you many of resources, it's a little word to be like. Come on, we can do all you can expect us to do all that. We're just like the number one company.

You can expect the games stores to even submit all of that. Yes, on the x box cloud gaming thing, it's like there's thousands titles. How's that process even going to work?

Yeah, in january of this year, apple actually started allowing game streaming. yeah. So this complaints is a mote now and it's kind of her that is in the file, but they probably finished IT before.

Yes, the government doesn't work quickly.

yes. And also networks exist. There's someone that apple .

sit down and watch every movie will know because the movie is not a game. How's that any different? What yeah I think you think like like .

games .

can be like more harmful .

with like .

Michael about .

things more control one and your team to have barely yeah should never be seen by human eyes .

thinking about the games that are on the like google place or .

that actually just melted you know that gets called multiple times a month. They're like all this came as now where we were to take IT down, you know so okay, so we sort went to the game streaming one as well as the super ab one. The third one is messaging and there was some stuff that I learned here that I did actually know um like apple doesn't allow third party apps to send SMS messages. So the only way that you can send A S M S on the iphone is through the messages. B, okay, yeah it's pretty strait reign, which is pretty straight reign um and that's .

a super easy one to have a public and a private like the public thing is. Ss super insecure yeah. We don't want to just let any APP go out sending SMS messages or receiving insecure messes. But obviously, if you allow third party apps to send and receive S M S, then people won't use apples APP to send receive SMS.

Thinking about getting like two factor authentication codes any time you get one comes to the messages up, the more your messages APP shows up in front of your face, the more you're just gonna start using IT yeah.

what's the reasoning for not one for only having messages to U. S, M.

S, I, apple and replied they that I would guess that it's privacy. But the irony, the intense irony is then like then use the open, secure, use R, C, ah yeah which they did say they are going to use, but we still don't know what the implementation of that's going to be. Listen, talk. Yeah, talks taken.

That's this year.

It's supposed yeah, but that's such .

a long before I was .

like in the, I hope that happens A W, T, V, T, C.

But merry Christmas. Yeah, yeah.

just like that with the car play stuff in the right. Yeah so obviously talk about Green bubble, blue bubble, fisco. And just the insane amount of uh, high percentage of teenagers who are planning to buy an iphone specifically for that reason is so hi, in the united states, we understand what's up exist.

Please do not come at just use what's up but also like every time I read this that something like damn yeah and IT just gets higher and higher higher. It's crazy yeah yeah um OK. One of other things was that they do not allow the apple watch to work king and ID phones, and they make the functionality of other smart watches way harder or way worse.

So an example of this is that on the apple watch, you can respond to messages, you know, with the keyboard or with your voice, or all the stuff. You can interact with notifications and I can t all that can have if use an iphone and you have a smart watch, you can get a notification and pull up the APP on your smart watch. Yeah, you can respond to a message on a smart watch if it's connected to one iphone. Correct them.

Say that again, if you have an iphone.

if you don't have an iphone, yeah, sorry. If you have an iphone and you have a non apple smart watch .

and I highly decorate, correct? Yes, this is one of the only ones where I feel like I kind of get apple's perspective, not even perspective. I just feel like competitively, they are like, look, we made this phone and we made this watch and we made our phone work with our watch.

If you're not one of those, tough. Like obviously, I would be nice if you could force apple to make their phone more compatible, other people stuff. But it's like who cares? Like you don't have to actually that's not actually this.

I think the idea is that they have such dominant market share in the united states, right, that they are of they're abusing their market share to make everything worse, to keep people using their products and which again is like in their right to do kind of. But also, I think the department of justice just cares about promoting competition and without taking action to allow other people to use other devices. The percentage of people on iphones and apple watches is gonna up and up.

And yeah, this is one of those complaints. I think that only works because of their dominance. Yes, because you wouldn't even really care if there is another small smart watch and a small smart phone.

And they only work with each other. Fine, whatever. Go on the corner, do your thing.

Yeah, I totally agree that that part I think IT. I don't know if I or know I don't agree with apple saying, like we built this phone, we built this watch prom together because there just other watches that fill specific initial Better like garment is specifically is so good at so many things that it's been doing for. So and just like take away some basic functionality, what makes IT a smart watch?

Then there are plenty of people who have iphone that I want a garden watch because of maybe they like way Better G P, S. Or rugged ness of IT. First, I know they did up a watch yeah like that feels really .

the crazing is interesting because if you say take away, it's almost like this was out there and they like took IT away. But they never had to enable IT ever in the first place.

They never had to enable and never but .

like that that I know yes, I get IT.

but I also I agree with Andrew .

though because like there's ways to differentiate your product based on a compelling feature that users want. Like of the apple watch has theory. I miss that every day that i've been used in garment.

It's actually useful on the apple watch. Is setting time. Is doing Brandon m things awesome? So the fact that I have a garment and doesn't have theory, that's what I get. I don't have an apple watch, but I can't turn off certain notifications from apps because I have a garment. Yes, IT would be a dump.

There is a lot of dump. I would say that would be a much stronger argument for the features of the apple watch. If all smart watches could have the same access, then IT will be like we're literally that's the whole point of this whole loss.

But then right, literally just be buying the watch based on which one has the features be like. And some people would pick the apple watch, some people would pick the government, some people would pick this and that or whatever. But apple feels this extra need on top to be like, well, we don't have to make us work with others. So we just want is only one choice of an actually full features, smart watch for the iphone, right?

By the logic of apple made their thing that can only work with their product. It's like, okay. So all other smart watches now can tell time.

No, they cannot do stuff on their own. They just don't have the plugs, the hooks into the iphone to take advances of the features that .

come from being connected to him, but the basic features and explain the notifications.

If i'm on android and I have a government watch, and this actually happened a couple weeks ago because I walked into Andrew, I walked in to the office and I went to Andrew. I was like, Andrew, can you help me figure out this government? Think, because I can figure out.

And we pulled the our phones next to each other. And I was on IOS. He was on android, and I followed him step by step in the settings to turn off certain APP notifications.

And on android, IT gives you a list of all the apps. I could turn off WhatsApp. I could keep on ms.

Text message. I could turn off instagram. I could keep on thread. Um I O S, it's all or nothing. I can only get notifications on my watch or I can't get notifications on my watch. So it's like little things like that where it's like just annoying and said.

do we my only question on that is, are we sure that's not garment making that decision or that's android allows IT and iphone dozen .

apple watch choose individuals?

Yes, I litter, I not use watch .

in the complaint is not that it's like that they can't really do IT, it's that they're so big that is the only viable option in the market. Really also just .

wild because like apple is good enough for giving itself differentiating features that like I just think we'll always work Better because you're in the same ecosystem. Why take the extra step?

Because I think it's because if you if you just do these little things that make IT just like .

that's a nice yeah it's like why airports are so dominant. It's not like airpower s are the best headphones ever, but there are like two or three magical features that worked perfectly with the iphone. Yes, that are just the reason people .

question w two cheery yeah is is that made by apple? yes. But so that's a good I think is h tunit started .

because of the watch, but they changed IT to OK.

So what just call the chip that connects them, I think that's an example of actually they made that chip. They made that good at something specific. That is something that just is a feature that is Better.

But like god, jay bird, not going to have that jabber can still connect. But rather than just like taking away an easy way to connect from jabber, they are giving you something extra. I think that's fine and that makes airpower s great. But like to be like, hey, your watch to features .

on top that is like this works. There's additional magic that happens with apple proxy services verses. Here's a basic feature that you just can't do if you're connected to something.

Yeah guess headphones are more one dimensional words like all you really do is does the audio go to the phone and back because of a mike? He has a pair, great. But with a smart watch, there is fifteen or twenty features. So that feels much more obvious. twelve.

And the weird thing is that there this is all happening to apple customers already already iphone. And thank you for not buying their other product is not like, oh, you have an iphone world and sure, go buy a garment because you're an iphone user. It's like, no, you bought government now you're gna pay .

be in by the apple watch yeah and the other complaint is that the apple watch is pretty expensive. And because IT only works with the iphone, if you buy an apple ch, your lessons and devised to move to android phone because then you just have to throw your apple watch away.

That's an interesting perspective because theoretically, you could switch to an android phone and then get all of them the features that you're talking about that you want from the watch, right? You can get all the specific notifications to the like.

You okay.

you have an iphone and you see the garment. You want all the features that you get from mAndrake, so you theoretically can switch to android and garment, right? And I guess their theory is the kind of thing you have the government already.

Well, I mean, okay, so you have an iphone, you bought the garment. The features is not work. You can switch to an android phone on the spot, but that friction is enough that people don't do IT. And instead, they don't get the government, they buy the apple watch.

And then the apple watch further locks into the ecosystem because then you bought a four hundred and fifty dollars watch, that only watch of the iphone. So if you decide to switch to an android phone, your watch is now useless. Yeah, you have to bit not only are you away yeah not only you're throwing away the four hundred dollars that you spend, you now have to spend another three hundred and the government .

watch but that's different. I'm okay with that because that is them differentiating their thing like our watch only works with iphone. And as much as a sucks, I get IT but taking away features yeah, nobody bought the thing.

That's where I have the issue with IT.

Yeah yeah, I don't know. I still think that a watch should work with android phones. I get if IT doesn't work as fluid, IT should .

take a watch, doesn't .

work with .

iphones .

and again.

i'm like.

which is slippery.

Yeah, it's true.

What are the things that works Better with those? Is is usually because it's just elected to uns. I don't know. I used the same sung watch on my pigs for a year, and I was told .

you can use the galley watch with with the iphone. I thought.

there is.

So you can use IT with an iphone. So you can set IT up with an iphone. So you need to first pair IT to an android phone, right?

But in the case, is a pixel watch not working at all with an iphone? Are we mad because google should totally support the iphone? Or are we like, yeah, it's a google phone in a google? why?

This is like the abusing monopoly power question. This is not behind that. We don't really care. That said, I think we should care because this is how you build up with.

but also who's restricting the use between them? Is google saying you google yeah google does not .

cause you can build smart watches that well, at least connect and work with the iphone. There is doesn't at all.

And the unna thing is google has just been trying to copy apple's ecosystem. Play ever sense OK now yeah. But specifically now they're like, let's build a watch and headphones and like a laptop, like there's specifically trying to match that ecosystem that apple has. And they're doing IT in a very similar way of like the pixel watch only works on on android phones, know which .

googoogling .

have some have some monopoly claims as well.

And so um yeah okay, now we is. The watch is a big one. The watch is for sure a big one. Yeah the last thing last major complaint is that the access to the NFC ship on iphone you can only use with like apple wallet and apple pay yeah and their complaint, which yeah technically true, is that like if I was a bank, I could theoretically offer my own wallet APP.

That maybe could compete with other banks because I could, if you use r willet APP, then we give you special rewards. And then that incentivises me to move over, to chase or move over the bank of america. I was something like that. But because apple controls the firehose of apple pay, and you can only use the NFC chip with apple pay on the, on the iphone, uh, they don't allow, like anybody to do that. The other thing is that they also take a cut of every payment that is made through apple pay.

Yeah that's not that much different from like using a credit at the right. Don't credit .

cards have they do. But directly as a consumer, you have the option to like give that money to chase or back of america, whatever.

like on an android phone, you can use a different wallet APP and make a payment and have someone else take a cut. Ah and I use a different service. I go through NFC .

and still like the NFC chip works with. It's like A P I for the N F, C chip that you can use a samsung or the samsung pay could use that or google pay could use that. So you have to sort of compete.

And I honestly think that that's a reason that google pay one of the many versions of GLE pay that we have. This like two versions ago or one version ago, had this weird rewards system going on where like if you use google pay more, you would like build up rewards that you could use for like other things. And I don't know this once a little week. I don't think people are going to go out there and be like, yeah, instead of apple pay and apple wallet, I want to use bank of amErica wallet. People are going to do that.

but still but let them fight, give them the chance at making that.

Ultimately, I think this whole claim IT is just about competition in the marketplace like apple specifically makes IT so that other people can even compete with them to offer a Better deal that would incentivize consumers to go over there. Um and one note that I forgot about the super APP thing was like the big reason why the chinese android market is so insane and why there's like two android phones coming up a day in china is because everything is about we chat and so people don't really care about the iphone over there because they're just like it's an APP and I can use whatever hard where I want and IT just makes this incredibly viBrant hardware system IT .

is so different. What I show me in an apple and like so many o EMS over there are in such fierce competition because they're trying to give you reasons to buy their phone over. The other one to phone exists. I'm buying a phone to use. We chat so I don't really care what's on the phone. But if you can convince me, i'm open to listening there in fierce competition over there, which is really exciting yeah meanwhile over here we're like, no NFC yeah yeah ah I just wanted was so funny long other android phones had NFC and how like this finnish community around NFC was built up with a little tags. And you can be like every time I get in my car, I like tap IT and going to automobile, navigate tes home and plays the song I like, turns on the heat at home like all this stuff I love and like the iphone never had NFC I want to finally got the NFC chip was like, what can we do? IT it's like, I know it's just there now good body can do things .

with IT with like the cuts .

yea more it's all some more and .

apple sym yeah ah yeah yeah so um a few really amazing quotes from this. Ah there was this quote that someone said looking at with hindi, I think going forward, we need to set to stick in the ground for what features we think are good enough for the consumer, I would argue with were already doing more than what would have been good enough a few years ago. I would be really hard to regress our product features year over year.

So someone that apple is saying we've actually like, we already have so much market dominance that where we're actually giving you too many new features, we should slow down. And I actually wish we could take away features, trickle feed you these features yeah but that would be really difficult. So going forward, we didn't make sure that we don't innovate too quickly. It's like holy .

to other group.

stop emAiling this stub your move one that in the .

door know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think that that quote is going to haunt tim cook for the rest of his court.

It's so perfectly and captains everything though. It's the question, the answer and the way he grins while he answers like five perfect.

It's words that are gonna be on his gravestone. It's so perfect. Yeah.

I feel bad for him for that because he was clear. Just joking, not really.

but joking on the reason that was a good joke is because that sliver of truth is like, but actually the only way you can see these videos that your mom is sending you yeah.

yeah. I would argue that when you're A C E O, A trillion dollar company, you you lose your joking privileges, like we have the right to take everything .

you you can make the joke, but we're allowed to take a way too seriously.

Yeah yeah. If you have a market, have over with nine digits, we don't listen your jokes. And so yeah.

lab for you events anyways.

you don't need us to if you really watched that that clip, I think he was from code twenty three. It's really awkward as as soon as he says by your mom and iphone, everyone starts laughing like really awkward ardly like everyone the code is .

like so by your mom, iphone.

Because he like technically address the elephant, like you guys have this huge world garden. And I really would like to be able to do this without buying my mom and iphone. So what are your thoughts? And you're the CEO of apple, so you can say anything other than just get your money. What do you think I want to say? So is kind of funny in the truth of how revealing .

and what precursors statement was someone saying like, hey, so it's like a very difficult to message between different devices and it's really annoying.

And like him is .

well before he said the mom coma, he was just like it's difficult protect. And tim cook just says we haven't heard from our users that they want interact Better interpret ability with android phones specifically, said our users because of course, yeah, people that use my message are not the ones that are upset about those. So anyway um yeah that's going to go to this grape.

This is going to take multiple years in the court system. They are going to appeal IT. It's going to be a whole thing.

It's why I think I should start making video about IT because ever Green you because the courts will take forever with this. And I also like I think the analogy of we've said the words world garden so many times that I feel like it's worth like actually painting the wall in color, you can see exactly what's happening yeah like this is what happens when you're in the world garden.

And this is the wall you hit when you try to leave and you can't get customize notifications on anything else. So you have another apple thing, you can get transparency mode on any these others with one clicks. And now you have apple's headphones too.

You have apple's laptop two. Now I have apple's messaging service too. And that, I think is worth the video in some way, sort of trying to Crystalize .

that even the vision pro IT only works with apple ecosystem ads that are like not available on on android phone. I said before I came out.

I was like when apple makes the head set, IT will be the one that works with the iphone. And even though IT doesn't connect the iphone, it's the one that has I message on IT. It's the one that has face time on IT. The one that has the APP store is .

just if you have an android phone, you don't really use an apple. I do that much. The headsets basically .

worthless yeah I mean, you can still I use an android phone and I use I can still use apps in the APP store. So like there's that if you don't want to use multiplatform apps, you can jump in use vision pro apps and there ah but you're not going to use face time. You're not can use I am message you're not going to use probably they're built in email upper so far because you have book Marks and chrome, whatever.

So yeah, those were still exist. Um and I will say I sort of a the whole thing about itunes growing uh, because of windows. It's kind of a valid point because at the time windows had ninety five, ninety seven percent market share, right?

So imagine apples trying to grow this new product. Apple and no government at in this juncture, they're trying to grow this new product. But the platform that is completely dominating the market doesn't allow you to put out your application. People actually use IT. If itunes couldn't have get gotten put on windows, would itunes have like grown to the the point where I was if IT .

couldn't have been put on window? Yeah.

because I couldn't at first. Yes, quick. I didn't really work with windows at first.

I think apple like saw that laws you and understands like the line they have to skirt to .

kind of not .

turn into that like seeing of things. If all five of these things change, all I think of this is like apple one already, like all of these things happened to put people in this garden and they're in the garden ready. They're not coming out with all of these things change.

But I don't even think all of these things will change. But like, let's say, every single thing happens for the D. O.

J here because IT should happen. Yeah, some of the world have holes in them. Now there's a couple holes, twenty five feet up.

Yeah, you can buy a latter on the APP store to get up there. But I just like IT feels like all these things happen to the competition and they up do they're winning in every aspect. Yeah I know it's not onna change rec.

but depending on the implementation of R C, S, A next year, I will very likely be switching to injured phone.

So which is why they will be doing everything in their power. They implemented in a way that makes that less compelling, right?

I think even that there is such a small use like IT doesn't mean anything to that. The amount of people that we think that is absolutely .

IT does feel a little bit like too, too late. I think you point there .

are a lots of people who already have the macbook in the iphone, in the apple, watching everything. But there is a world where there are like twelve rules right now. We are about to get their first two devices and maybe you get the government watch instead.

I guess that's what I should say. It's too late for probably maybe in like our lifetime or in like a couple of generations. Where is i'm sure when microsoft got hit with these people were like what they own ninety seven percent already, it's too late. But now at a point .

was like some people, yeah, yeah. So maybe they are hitting IT now.

Or when lanes, when lanes kids get their phones, they might have something different.

yes. I mean, when you're going up as a kid and like your apparent need to get a phone for your kid, you don't want to get them a new like iphone fifteen pro in the nine years old.

Please tell, say, say that I needs fifteen prom.

But if her kids nine years old and all of their friends have eyes message and they're getting bullied for not having I messages, they are gonna to you and be like, but I need the iphone dad and I that's not there.

There is a nerd and it's going have some very funny answers. No, no, sorry. That's again .

there. And in its less like those kids can get anything that their parents will. And also, you know people tend to stick with brands for a long grid of time throughout the entire life.

I remember when the LGGA3 q came out and I was like， and at least three generations into people just not buying L G phones anymore, really. And I was in uber, and the uber guy had IT. And I was like, why did you pick this phone? I will ask, always used L G sense. Like the foot phones. Like people just stick with brands.

Yeah, I have the same thing. I have an aunt that was on, I swear I had this conversation. I, what looks like I have A S six.

what? Which samsung should I get? Yeah, like that's the question they are asking. Yeah, we should I get the s twenty, s twenty two like and that's all I to earn a new thing with the L G, the HTC. So that's very valid, right?

Yeah oh yeah. By your lane. Android phone should be the nude.

There will be .

phones there by king. Um anyway, yeah like we said, it's going to take probably a few years for the start actually get through the courts um on the verge cast I was listening to their talk about this and they made a bad weather be over under twenty thirty by the time as kids are all which feels pretty. I I got some time to .

work on this video.

Then what result first this or like all car manufacturers switching to evie the right twenty thirty days, like almost everyone is promise .

to that's also when it's was to be zero emissions .

from all tech companies.

Legislation looks exactly like IT does for .

car and be shot things. We talked for everything we do. Another podcast episode, we talk about the exact same thing.

We make more bets. Yeah, totally, totally could happen. Well, we've talked for a loyal about this, so we should take another quick break. But before we do, we should. Do trivia.

This is the third time we're doing this, although no one else will know that with us. okay. First or second question, i'm so very often more time.

Time.

when was the first google I O one was the first dub dub. That's the question for two points.

One point for two .

right answers for some of these days about.

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Or wherever you listen to podcasts, welcome back. We have one more quick story episode we do again. Did you leaked email from iran to tesla about how they want to enable force of driving on all vehicles leaving the factory?

I, I, I saw this headline, but I didn't actually look at into what is happening. sure. So you want.

uh, send an email that is going forward. IT is military in north amErica to install and activate F, S D version twelve, that three, that one, and take customers on a short test drive before handing over the car. Almost no one actually realizes how well supervised F S.

T actually works. I know this will slow down the delivery process, but is nonetheless a hard requirement. So IT seems like from the factory now, all of the cards will have a enabled, and I guess they want people to all go on tex to physically see how F S D works rather than just people spending, however, like fifteen thousand dollars now. But whatever the Price has been locating .

over the years. So you take delivery. So so what happens as if you if you bought full self driving, you will accept delivery and you'll get in the car and they give you a quick dem over and then you leave, you know how to use IT.

If you didn't buy IT, you will accept delivery. They will give you a test ride in your car, which has IT enabled. And then once the test rides over, IT gets turned off and they go make sure you're unlock that. I just really .

in the thousand dollars.

And I guess that's a pretty brute forced way of going. Our conversion rate isn't high. And f and more people to buy. Fd.

yeah yeah. I feel like it's along the lines of like we've converted the this like super fans of tesla who really want F S T. But now we're like, you know, we're so we're main street enough now that enough people are buying that, that aren't really test like online tesla people. So let's give them a look at what this is because they're not reading articles, are watching twitter, right?

I just feel like the only people this is going to work on is the people that by the top trim model s was fifteen thousand dollars on top of what you're paying .

is just insane.

Most people going into like a car delivery like I just want this over with. I can't believe i'm spending this much money and then them for them to be like .

you like that you want to tell. Well.

I also think it's you can buy a subscription, right?

Yes, you can do the .

two hundred dollars .

substance is IT that .

might be sure. That's a good point.

That makes more sense. A good is six thousand dollars. F, S, D.

What is an twelve thousand? What is an hand start of pilot.

other land change and auto park, and smart salmon, which is navigate on autopilot.

So what's .

full F S D ads automatically in changing position on the highway and overtaking cars?

I would not comfortable doing that.

That's all version.

So yes, for one autopilot pilot, a whole other debate. But I think just having F S D, these accounts are so nice. I know F S D is called full self driving, which is not full self driving. It's one step above the cruise control, that is, adaptive speed cruise control.

So like right now, this is funny, the cyber truck, which no matter what you pay for doesn't have autopilot or if I just adaptive cruse control and the button is sitting there in the APP, great how autopilot, it's just cruise control on adapt of creese control on the side a track. And it's not I mean, it's fine. It's basically you still steer everything, but it's keeping a distance .

with the current funny, and that's all the time.

my right. So when you add autopilot, you add fsd, you get to the point where, okay, it'll hold you on the lane. You can switch lanes and also adds like the summer future and auto parking on stuff like that.

But at least now you can like take your hands off the wheel and IT will glide you around the highway. And that's that's more relaxing. That's what people I think are generally impressed by and happy to pay for.

But then the next highest level of, like full on autopilot, which is this, can navigate around streets for you and like stop intersections and go around around about all stuff. That is a whole separate debate and only the highest. And like buyers are even willing to pay for something like that. Totally agreed. But yeah, I I guess i'm super curious what the actual numbers are like how many people actually do by autopilot?

Verses aren't not enough.

Sounds like where the trend is going down, I would guess for sure cause yeah that I think like it's test test less the most mainstream electric vehicle at this point to the point words, battling against gasoline .

part is the first level. In the second level, OK set IT back. It's yeah fun naming. Thanks, guys.

Very there's autopilot and there's also enhanced .

ed autopilot right?

Yeah the correct no it's .

just in a handsome to pilot yeah which includes navigate on auto.

That's not the free one.

So here is autopilot is traffic where cruse control and .

auto steer .

in one .

package basic autopilot .

ot and and IT keep .

between s can I sorry.

hands have to be on the wheel?

Ah yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

I just, for example.

I have paid for nothing in my car. Auto steer for me.

David gets on the tunnel. He hits the thing and he hands free.

yeah, for free. yeah. So like, why would you? Okay, okay.

my sorry, I got, I got.

I want to go by roque ke. I said, mine has. I have to put my hand on the wheel every .

once in a while, but I do. Okay OK. yeah.

I keep my hand on the wheel. I OK free. IT is traffic where cruise control, so it'll fought matches be to traffic.

And IT will auto steer to keep you in your mark lane that is free, enhanced autopilot. We will get you on and off. Excuse me, it'll take you on on and off raps on freeways. IT will do auto lane change, which Normal autopilot does not have. IT includes auto park salmon and smart salmon.

It's a lot of features as well, but also six thousand .

dollars that is enhanced autopilot. Okay.

if your car and we can pause there, if your car already will hold its land on the highway and turn on highway lanes, are people going to want to spend the six thousand dollars for auto lane change and getting off the exit rap?

Because IT stop at the .

end of the exit rap. Yeah.

turns off at the end of the exit. Rap, wait. So again.

your car, your car already does what your card does, which is is all that does is stay in the lane, the highway and and follow speeds. Call six thousand more dollars yeah, for enhance autopilot will get you model lane change yeah and IT will take the exit rap to the end of the exit rap. And IT will park.

And I can do auto park or Simon I would argue Simon is a party trick that no one uses yeah but auto park debate of usual. I may just get good. Six thousand million I parking .

yeah that's .

kind of a tough cell. I got to say it's .

not a long just even tougher cell is the fifteen thousand one OK which so what .

is fifteen .

l self driving.

which is not a driver, is what we referred to as a level to autonomous vehicles, just not very high, which is not high. It's a hope there are actually six levels now. Oh um which .

is why it's whole debate. Okay yes OK .

yeah well there's five levels .

but IT start to levels zero. So there's six levels, I don't know to five ah, but zero is is meat driving .

yeah so i'm just going .

to read directly from tesla's .

website just we get strain from the cattle. Your vehicle will be able to drive itself almost anywhere with minimal driver intervention and will continuously improve in addition to the functionality and features of autopilot and enhanced autopilot fsd capability includes auto steer on streets. There is no description of what that means.

And what does that mean? I would assume that means you get the auto steer feature from autopilot, but on non free. But again.

was OK. Then traffic and stop sign control, Colin .

identifies stop signs and traffic lights and automatically slows your vehicle to a stop on approach way, with .

prevision last one doing basically .

everything before the biggest problem here.

And .

then the pirates. H for requires active driver supervision and does not make .

the vehicle autonomy unna just .

like it's basically driving text.

which also IT can still be impressive that there is close to doing that while still also just not being the thing that they say, yes.

I get very confusing. I do wanna like dump on the so bad, but also what .

else could you call IT? You know what you could all what lean to because IT fully does everything.

It's just be enhance assisted driving.

like a regular person get that and .

if you get like laugh, but then .

this one is .

lais plus but about like all almost .

toni's driving.

like theoretically you don't have to do any input.

The car will drive you point to point me.

but that I can do IT without you.

Yeah yeah. Like I did my demo of IT where IT took me fifteen and a drive to get here, and I did not at any point give the car input. Accel lie two or three times, interrupted IT. But theoretically, ally, if IT works correctly.

yeah, you don't have to give IT any input theoretically and he doesn't need you to take over at any point. That means IT fully does everything that .

I would Normally do. So this is just self driving.

It's also where noting that level five is called full automation.

So it's like a little do know this three months IT reminds me, hope this is such a weird analogy. But there I was showing you that commercial offer a type that says, um it's like guardi know but it's guaranteed to prevent up to one hundred percent of blood. The false of driving could one hundred up to one hundred percent .

of your first the same language, it's full flow up protection which is up to one hundred, which is the same .

as all of the um of the cleaning materials that IT say kills up to ninety nine percent of bacteria yeah because they can't say IT kills everything in case said.

miss, I just got my test back.

mom, I got up to an what .

I wish .

I knew that when I was oh. My god, my kit.

me yeah I guess that .

is kind of a tough cell. But if you're if you're onna get people to buy IT that I guess they're ticals, that's the best way to buy is to be like this is the Mandatory acceptance processing. Here's your car. Yeah, you're gone for right?

Insane like crazy.

I do think like being able to get a quick test of the sounds pretty awesome. Or like if you actually we're thinking of IT, knowing that you can get the test .

before committing to the fifteen thousand, maybe that is the number of people who commit before accepting delivery. sure.

That be E E. Yes, I talking about .

because you're .

saying like, okay, you want people to commit and how fast can get them to commit? Right now there is no demo. So if you don't buy IT, the only way to try IT as if you commit to IT for at least a month, I guess. So if you don't commit, you will get a demo anyway. I think that means less people will commit initially if they know they're onna.

Get a demo the old way they used to do IT, is you're buying your cards five thousand dollars. You should come in right now because it's gonna go up in Price. And they made true on that that.

Well, fun, fun.

Sure, everyone into one.

I definitely said fsd or autopilot wrong .

many times.

Some S, D, D, O, J, A, I, A, I.

T, R, I, V, I, A, W, D, C, C, what?

That was a perfect. Did you say, travel? You.

T, R, I, V, I, A, the babies, i'm sorry. That's great. I know you want.

understand me. okay. Quick update on the score markets with four Andrew with one to Carry the three, three nice David with two yeah. First question .

uploaded june at sixteen in two thousand and nine. This four point four billion view masterpiece is the oldest video on youtubes all time top thirty list. What video is that?

I'm actually pretty.

I just want you to know what I thought my head first second there I went, oh my god, tony, tony, twelve and that was like, wait, that's twenty twelve.

yes. So wait, is that no, I think he was twenty eleven, wasn't like a twenty eleven campaign for a twenty twelve.

Now just not actually putting anything down.

Don't write twenty twelve .

that is not on the top thirty.

Yeah, I didn't have a long tail. I kind of feel confident about this one.

All right, what do we got?

I just wrote this and all right, so 嗯 OK I note so .

I wrote ganga style what .

I knows wrong， but I IT was the first to hit a and so I thought IT be a tracked for a while. I think IT also came out in like twenty twelve, our twenty eleven yeah but I know I came out why I was in high school and technically was in high school in two thousand nine hundred and twenty eleven. So unfortunately .

you are .

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high school in two thousand and nine .

yeah two nine grade.

Oh okay, that sense I wasn't.

I was done. I was, was that correct?

Feel all that. I know i'm wrong.

but I wrote me at the zoo just in case IT was that and I would go down.

Well, they said it's not right.

I never, baby.

by Justin paper. That is a really .

good guess but unfortunately the correct answer, I guess I did community as a night, right? Baby, yeah.

I was very quickly the most dislike to video on youtube history.

I do remember really why it's just a baby.

Two thousand nine.

just like to .

two thousand nine. You popular point he was two main .

shame at that point like .

people annoy IT was just like a .

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um what is IT is the .

answer .

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for the way that has .

four point.

four point four. Billy.

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which is the theme song of hill cop.

Crazy frog had an album OK.

Crazy frog had a lot of that crazy, lazy frog really peaked. I felt like when I was in middle school, I thought .

crazy frog was like, super popular pre youtube. I remember like those two kids dancing, 呃， like in their basement to a crazy frog, and in many faces, frog.

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then the if i'm so .

sorry.

if you, if you get this far in the episode, please comment your favorite crazy from I would love to .

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OK question number two. Finally, wow, one was the first google I O, one was the first dub dub.

We're tried out a new system for these year ones because they're fun. K, what we're going to do is if you're within five years or that takes me if you're five years from the date. So a ten years span, you get one point if you're three years on either side. So six years span you get two points and if you're one year on either side to a three years, and .

no.

I like that's a gap in the .

I like the one you are .

either side. That's what pod quiz does for like that else.

And getting someone five points just felt like too much.

a lot yeah. So that is too much.

I'm trying to strategically think around my windows here we have a five year window in a world.

You can potentially get up .

to three points.

How by by getting .

a year 能 给。

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pretty fatty that's amazing. I'm going.

oh, right.

Flipper and read, what do you got .

for google? I O I put twenty ten.

twenty ten gives you two points so you're close but not completely correct for .

David to say I put two thousand eight.

You put two thousand eight that gives you of, yeah, that was wrong. You get nothing. Sorry, i'm dave.

How wrong? Very wrong.

right? I can give you a more accurate. And until I hear the rest.

all right.

I also put two thousand ten fro OK.

So you get two points. And I went a higher day for W, D, Z.

very long .

called something .

different.

And I thought that was a, but it's the same ever. So I .

gored and I was just going off of the .

first developer conference.

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happened.

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nineteen ninety. Dub dub, the first dub dub.

the first of before that, in eighty seven, IT was called the apple's developer conference or dev con. And then in eighty six, IT was April world conference. Before that was apple two forever. And before that, apple independent software developers is country .

was a trivial question, I believe. Can I just know how they switched to removing the name apple altogether to just say we are the developer conference.

word worldwide developer.

It's not even apple worldwide developer conference is just we are .

the developer that getting mr.

Why.

what and that six years away from there or six years after their developers conference literally being called apple two forever.

I want to forever the, I wish that's epic.

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doesn't eight? Oh, I was two years. Me too. That .

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I don't think, greed of time for the safari question.

Safari.

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third party browser.

third party browser included in macintosh a starting in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight that was not included before that, and ending in two thousand three, with the introduction of .

safari S.

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Do you want IT?

Maybe a little bit. I don't think before .

we do the answer row. quick. When we got that shirt, I was so excited for IT. The first day I wore coming back, I spilled beatie. So I just to give IT of IT and anyway.

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That's crazy. I wrote that last and then crossed IT out example.

I believe they shipped with netscape before because that's .

hurt even more. Another fun anti trust quote.

Go on, go on.

Um is that there's a cope of microsoft where they say we need to take the oxygen out of netscape. S jesus.

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Yeah like bill gates classes. Thank you and say that .

cares me more than an actual my bus, be honest. Yeah well, hey.

this has been quite an venture of away from episode. This is what happens when we come back to a regular schedule programme. We just go off the real son.

We should bring you back on the roles next week but he is fun while we're at IT. So for more lawsuits, I guess. Um thanks for watching, thanks for listening.

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