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What is the people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the way from podcast where your host and David, this week we got a bunch of fund stuff you rose on in. I think it's still going pretty well.

Um we've got some phone leagues. We've some C, E O reviews their own product to talk about. I thought I was.

And we also have some tiktok music battles and a new ChatGPT feature. But first, we have an update on way form trivia. Remember how somebody made a way form trivia website is so good. They've updated IT massively. You you've gone through IT already.

yeah. How we actually we talk about the last time we made this is W V F R M trivia dot com. And previously, I just had like that updates of all of us on the way you can play trivia. Now he added more intense player cards and like every season and all of the guests, which I think with there before, but there's also a new trivia section that you can play by yourself that's based on the text sounds that else has done, which is also there's also the typing test that you can do ull link you to the APP that also shows the leader board and how you can compare everybody else. And IT is also some .

this is Better develop than like most of the other site for sure.

In fact, you can play. It's pretty great. I highly it's in the shown note. I highly recommend checking out, doing the typing, test yourself, playing some trivial yourself and uh, check out that leaderboard.

H IT, also, it's not just each of our playing cards, but it's all of us together. We get together thirty seven point six percent of the questions. correct.

Is that good? I know that like an f like a hard yes, questions are difficult. Fair know when you ask questions, like what do the three stars mean? Can you explain that? And no.

thank you enough.

You know you know exactly why I could explain that and you know I can't say in front of the audience so you just hanging me on.

sorry, we will have, i'm sure, all of our percentages over time like we to be fair.

I Better this bad in like .

this was your slugging .

percentage in baseball.

Very is a ta .

three percent? Yeah, yeah.

There are boys. Is that we can make this look good. How often I can drive a car without crashing?

No, that's not not one of them pretty good.

Not one of them. Thirty seven, that definitely that where you want to be, you want to be, uh, much close. Two hundred for that one. But some would say add one hundred. Some would have thirty seven percent.

yes. Yeah, sixty and seven.

You know what stuff Carries all time? Three point percentages .

is seven percent, thirty eight nine, forty two percent.

I know if his player card was on.

Mark s really? Andrew mag, David about stuff.

That we're all chasing stuff out here. I think that was happening um OK we have anyone check those out, but I want to have A A quick correction from last week. I think I was last week, we were talking about how youtube of mel A B testing works. I said I mentioned at some point that I was giving you the option to test three different of nails and then testing them among your audience and spitting out the watch time percent for each one. That's actually not exactly what's happening. The reason you may have noticed that the percentages always add up to one hundred percent is because it's actually giving you watch share, which means it's totally all of the watch time generated from one evenly distributed them there with all of the watch time generated from the other from now. So it's not purely watch time, but it's combined with how many views IT gets and how how will I get to click through yeah .

like is the company. And I think if the if IT doesn't click down accounts, zero watch time right right. So IT gets IT does actually get impact by click rate, just extremely confusing.

I try make a little you have a youtube video. You want A, A B test. You have two sum ales.

Youtube goes, okay, you've got a and funnel b. I'm going to send us up to ten people. Some know a gets sent to five people, know b gets to five people.

If all the people click some L A, and all the people click sum L, B, you have a hundred percent clip. The rate of each. That will purely be which one has Better watch time that wins OK.

But if you have a video where nobody, only one person click sum L A, and five people click sum L B, and the person who clicked on L A, watched the whole video with the people who clicked on L, B, watched eighty percent of the video, that will have way Better watch share. Even though I had a worse average watch time, eighty percent per a hundred IT has a way Better click through rate. Five out of five vers is one out to five, which will weigh heavily towards total watch share. So watch share accounts for both click through rate and watch time percentage. Does that simplify IT at all?

I think two things are true. We've learned one, IT does actually take into account click through rates. So that is more of a number we should be looking at them.

We thought too IT is entirely way too confusing. And how on earth anyone supposed to figure this out? I is a well.

yeah.

nothing behind the scenes that youtube is ever supposed to be figured out because then IT gets gamed. But I think if you're a creator who's A B testing, this is just complicated enough to accommodate for the different variables that you were trying .

to optimize for. I yes, I shouldn't have said figured out. I said understood because like you're getting numbers, you should send my understand what they mean at least. And we are a fairly large channel and you've been doing youtube a long time and which had .

no idea that was yeah I guess now as long as as long as you see the fun pet test, pick a winner, you can probably safely assume that that's .

a good the note pic I trust in the youtube.

Sometimes you get to go through gut, sometimes I just pick it's one of them that's not the winner.

But all of us are like forty, fifty one. So IT makes that .

we don't really do like drastically different.

which is we talked about we want to do more fundamentally different thuma ls that we ab test, we've notta ally tested like, well, what if the background has a red background versus blue? Or what if the phone i'm holding is titanium versus silvers? Like that stuff doesn't really make a painful difference.

But as far as the purpose of the video, sometimes you have a big difference in what you think of them now should be. But that's a lot more work for him. IT is, but we get a lot more data out of .

that time is so we can t yes.

that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. I was hoping that will come up. So yeah.

there's that. Well, i'm still confused. So I about. Next story yeah but universal music group polls Taylor swift and others off of tiktok. And I added the story because IT is sort of a social media story, sort of a music industry story. Overall, just a very interesting story where we're kind of talking about like who has the power dynamics in the relationship.

I also want to confirm here real quick that they are saying Taylors with i'm assuming they are talking about U M G Taylor swift where as if i'm good tailors version is not under U M G. And therefore, almost the entire they're clearly throwing Taylors with here because she's one of the biggest artists out there are ripping out her old stuff that yeah is actually under U M G. I am assuming her new stuff is still on tiktok because .

it's not I don't know.

I don't think they can pull off stuff .

that's not look that up. So this is a very interesting basically, tiktok wanted emg, wanted to pay emg very little for the licensing rates of all these very popular artist. U M G is like where a giant music company are. Giant artist are popular and don't need tiktok to get popular. So we kind of think we have more bargain power, which I current like I I kind of agree with.

I kind of have agree yeah, there are a big artists who still have songs to blow up on tiktok .

yeah like meaningfully right I agree. But I think that this probably hurts the smaller artists that are just trying really, really, really hoping that their song is gonna low up on tiktok more um but at the same time, I have mix feelings about this because a lot of artists now are sort of making music gear specifically towards being that tiktok like sound bite sound. Everything around that little sound by is kind of just thought .

less and they .

don't put a lot of effort I know I would you agree with this song on album that ally for tiktok.

it's not even that. It's like this.

The part of the the bridge .

of this song is the tiktok thing that we're going to be shipping to our influence or partners .

yeah I guess liz, to do .

that clarify, I think U M G does .

own tails versions, do they yeah no.

no. It's more complicated that I am trying to look at up to. I'm pretty sure .

Taylor owns .

the masters.

but they're distressed is they don't have a new deal um the new deal of twenty anyway uh all of the tiktok that use the music just have no sound now yeah so if you go back through .

like someone's .

liver and they're dancing to a tailor of video there just dancing to nothing yeah I mean.

that happened a lot of times where like music that pulled off because of corporate issues and difference and it's always very awwad yes, very funny to like scroll back also, tiktok basically lives within the week and then dies. So yeah, you don't .

back whak tok anyway yes yes.

Tiktok is giving users of those videos the option to like select and other song but I feel .

like no work no like but it's a good .

point like IT lives a week. People aren't going to go back and watch IT. So um yeah it's pretty crazy.

I just I think this is a good story of like who has the most power here and they would both argue that they are more important than the other. But ultimately, I kind of think that tiktok is eventually going to go back to U. M, G, B. Like we really need your artists and just be like to pay the money.

I know I I think tiktok got the behind here. Really I would be I that there the marketer essentially not actually the marketer but the marketing platform, I feel like. And I think eventually, if they realize they're losing a lot of views, tiktok brought fly wood mac to the number one billboard yeah thirty years .

after the song was released.

But great. And there there are a lot of such cases of that happening. Or is that kind .

of songs being the number one bill .

board like really old songs?

Oh no. I ve served the poll from take tok at IT .

from a label's point of view, right, like in the fleet wood mac example, like realistically, and I don't know if that song is is part of the u mg. cattle. I was just an how much money did the label actually make from that song getting one again, maybe one hundred thousand.

That's the exact maybe i'm just going to use this as an example of how something can skyrocket to the top. And like if that's a new artist, that artist could literally start an entire career based off.

I really can't though, because apps like tiktok have lowered the dollar value of music to such a point that you can't actually generate meaningful revenue off of the music alone.

All of the musical becoming like A A known artist that then can torn like i'm the artist that have started boring because theyve been .

found on yeah but U M, G is not getting a cut of that there. A G, so U M G has no reason to go back to the potentially .

they not have artists that want to sign with them anymore because .

they're losing an opportunity. I here's the .

other thing that very long.

yeah, they are massive. It's also worth like emg excuses like we're doing this to protect our art, that because there is an to be made that .

tiktok does not .

pay for sure for for music also U M G has at every opportunity make sure their artists get paid less on stream yeah every single turn they literally there's a lawsuit being formed right now about them lowering the per stream Price for their artists in exchange for spotify stock that their artists no sharing like an actual crazy stuff.

I want to want to confirm i'm not in anyone's corner here. IT is just so I think but I think IT .

would be asked to talk to an artist probably because they have really strong opinions on whether or not like the effect that tiktok and all that it's done has had on being an artist, whether you're a small one or a big one because I think there's a lot of arts like, yeah, I was doing what I was doing and then I had a couple songs blow up on tiktok and now people are going to concerts to see those songs and that might be a real thing or I could just be imaging that. And that's not an actual thing that happens. And they are very fleeting birth of attention .

that disappear at me. I also wonder how often that happens, how many two, how many small artists .

that happens time. So i'm fairly confident there's a lot of examples of songs hitting number one and maybe this is just because i've seen IT personally so many times but a song that I look at on spotify is is like bilboa top one hundred years that i'm like, oh, that's the one that spent on spotify or on tiktok for the past week. Yes, that's probably .

wide by rick b he's a music youtube r he's like, he's he's cool but he's like um he does this spotify top ten reaction videos where every three months spotify has like this new top ten list of music and it's very often music that I have never heard of before and he is also never heard of before. And IT, there's probably a strong chance that he just got popular in tiktok for like two weeks and then speak on spotify and that's .

why I see its bian artist c has like no other yeah like everything else at this level on and one song is like wave of the resting talk. see.

So sorry, just want to know that you trigger us.

us companies like U M.

G. And this applies more to major label s than independent and quote, quote, independent or medium size label S U mg owns a lot of music and and what's administration? S A lot of music for artists who are dead, for artists who who cannot tour.

And i'm not saying like all we need to defend this like large corporations business model, but IT is like you can't make the argument that the promos worth that on tiktok if the artist is literally deceased. You know like just like speaking or just to say that I think u mg. Or tiktok needs universal music group way more than the other way around.

I well, I also don't get why we're making the argument like a one song pops off because they're been one hit wonders for the past fifty years who have made entire .

careers off of yeah I full sixty .

five has one .

is amazing .

just saying like that is a been a thing in the .

music industry for you by up until about twenty fifteen years ago. If you if you went platinum or even if you went gold, you going to recoup on your contract, you're gonna come away with a fat check and you could actually live the rest of your life on that money. Now, IT is like if you get ten million, spotify plays ten million, a huge number.

嗯， 哼， that is about fifty grand. You have congratulations. You have now almost made minimum wage, right? Yeah.

no, I agree. I think you're all still just harping on just dreaming, though I feel like you could have more than just that have to very quickly help like artists now have instagram ages that may have tons of followers and stuff like that. If that Spark tiktok, they they have me increase like .

and I will be up to the artist to like properly, hopefully capitalized on tiktok success to bring them over to something they can actually make money on, whether it's your instagram m or your merge or your tours or whatever. It's just how easy slash heart is that.

Actually I probably agree with you that U G like hearing all this. U M G probably needs IT more. And ultimately tests are getting the artist out of everyone, which sounds like what take talk N D M G are pretty known for.

Yeah, that sounds kind of like the whole argument for, like, unpaid internships. Like, but think of the exposure.

Instagram and youtube are the real winners in all of this, because now if you wanted, like, make a real with a specific song, you've gotta put IT on instagram or youtube shorts.

Yeah, I also, well, like this all happen eventually, but tiktok people will just now they must have some sort of copyright thing, right? Because you just upload your own sound just taken. I'm assuming you get taken down and eventually, but I have .

no idea if you just use the built .

in tool won't be that you find original sounds. You I K E, I was just using the actual library sound. They're like uploading their own and then yes.

like this is still a problem. It's not as much for the problems that was right after instagram reals launched, but almost every instagram real had the tiktok water mark in the corner when I first came out saying with youtube shorts and now those platforms are driving more organic. uh. Short development. But I think it's still a thing that people are just use IT because the tiktok editor so good that people just edit their video inside of tiki.

I think most people use the tiktok built in tools yeah to do that. If you have an M P three of a Taylor song ging are like editing and another phone to be in the video. Good for you, but I think you're in the minority.

The probability of people to hit in the button the apso ana a minute yeah it's a whole dynamics. We'll see you plays out. I think tailor swift will probably OK, but she's gonna book from you guys here.

You want the super poll SHE did .

there is an our literal is an a betting pool where there is overrun on how many times you should be shown on the screen. And SHE easily cleared the over. I think he was like, five point five was over under five .

point five percent of the game.

five point and five times shown on screen.

Tailor, oh, that's way too IT was way. And I heard a lot of people say they did a good job of not cutting to hear too much. Yeah, in a lot of other, a lot of .

other didn't.

Do you know celebrity is watching? But I was like, very clear. There was cut to travis healthy. And then they would cut to tell swift reacting to what travis Kelly.

They are only cutting to other people that get seem like we're not A, A, A, A, B, A, A, camera c, camera, camera. A, okay, yeah, we ve got her. We got her.

Yeah, there was a thing. Yeah, there was a thing that's funny, right? We should take a quick break.

And when we come back, we have some phone league to talk about and we also not even league, just a new phone. And there are some C E O reviewing our own product fun. But before we do that, 区别。 So well, I can make that .

post and that he responded to you.

oh yeah. So if you didn't know the announcer who does the N, B, A top ten stuff on twitter saw the clip, I just want to shot you guys out for getting him the clip and shot him out for seeing the clip and tweeted in the clip .

also his name is the goat tat or get up yes.

sorata, mr.

Gator, professor .

acquire. All right. So i'm working .

on a video for the studio channel right now. It's about speakers. And so i've got a lot of speaker stuff on the brain. So this is could be a speaker .

question on the brain. The brain .

OK for shadow.

I think this called spoiling.

We're smart. We're smart. It's called for shadowing when it's smart. Anyway, Andrew, mark, has you guys both have speakers that are part of the ya ha H S line on your desk, and those are what we call two way speakers. They have two speaker drivers that one of the top that makes all the high frequencies that's called the tweet like a bird tweets. What's the bigger one in the middle speaker?

Call the mid tones the the.

The twitter.

Well, think about IT answers at the end, like usual, will be right back.

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We ve got a new, a new phone to talk a little bit about. Not that it's out, but it's at least starting to be tears. Now, nothing phone to a, so we already had nothing phone one, nothing phone two.

They make headphones now they started to branch out their portfolio little bit. And IT looks like the next thing they're going to do is a two, a, which I think we all assume as a budget phone, a cheaper phone. That's what that's what pixel did with a, that's what they probably should do with a cheap or found.

So nothing phone to a march. Faith is when it's getting unveils iled and they have this like teaser video. It's around mw c will probably get pricing around there.

There is a bunch of rumors flying around about what exactly they would do to make a cheaper nothing found um one of the big rumors of courses knocking down that S O C. So there's a rumor saying IT could be a media attack dementia seventy two hundred, which I haven't personally benchmark. I don't think I have experience with the fund with that chip set. But if it's immediate attack dementia chip, lets say it's pretty safe to to assume not on the level of a court snap dragon ship like agent agent two or eight three.

I think it's definitely not going to have all the same A I feature definitely .

want a minimum, really probably also have hard work cut downs like from the camera IT looks like based on like some wire frame stuff and people doing renders based on leaks. IT probably won't have wireless charging. I'm guessing it'll still look like nothing phone um but yeah, it's going to have to find ways to cut down on certain things and still deliver a nothing phone ask thing. This is like how do you make a revision r two that doesn't feel like you're taking away too much character from the rival r one make you see through speaker. So the render .

from what i've seen seems like it's based on a mix of this tweet from someone dulan rusal. That IT seems to be like a video almost of like a feature that that would be inside android showing how something works. Um i'm sure you seen leaks like that before and IT briefly shows the back of the phone and some of the glimpse in this like washed out wait versions and then along with the coral pay video that came out and in the thumb now there's like this White board as sketch people took those together, made this really sick looking render that IT seems to match everything that shown in those two things we know about IT. And I think that looks sick.

I think looks good.

I think you look Better than the nothing yeah it's like if we wanted really if we want to, to explain IT yeah, this one is all black IT has two cameras kind of in the middle top of the phone and then turned by a circle that doesn't cesspool ily look, a camera bump, just a circle. And then there's three clifts around IT.

I'm kind of like a longer curved, late a smaller curved and one state light kind of typical nothing like bars looks nice but as necessarily follow any form factor um and then he has like kind of this black ribbon cable looking thing coming down the bottom. But like you mention before, I didn't put this together. Why are the charging circle? So probably not having where are .

the charge that .

makes everything yeah.

exactly. Yeah, yeah.

I think it's great. So the interesting thing about this is that camera array, it's two cameras, so it's unlikely of a telephoto camera that's usually what they do with budget phones. But the interesting thing about this array is that when the phone is in the vertical orientation, the cameras or horse zonia aligned, which is not something that you see on phones that often. And the reason is because when you are filming horriston tally, which is the correct aspect orator to film in, if you are above the age of twenty five.

you want IT. I have made my goals.

You want to be able to switch between the lenses without there being parallax. But because this phone has horizontally aligned cameras when IT is in vertical orientation, this is clearly made for like people that are OK with firming, with filming vertically very frequently. And I would bet you that nothing is probably going to reference that in the like most people film vertically these days. So we decided to put the cameras vertically.

saying so it's probably a standard camera in ultrawise. Yes, and they're right next each other, but they can be on top each other so they're left.

right instead of top, bottom, they could be. But when you're filming video vertically, if you switch and you have slight paralo on the right versus like up and down, I think that IT translates Better. That translated it's the reason that usually cameras uh are above and below each other because you you turn your phone to film .

yeah there wouldn't be more pair. I feel like the like the right pair. Yeah I guess that makes sense because .

those dual reflects cameras are A T lr to and now you have a viewing lens and a shooting lens. They're not like both being used. One is only being used to view OK. So that's just my okay, that's just my theory.

Well, here's here's my theory.

okay. Carl .

place said .

this looks cool and I agree with his hard, easy .

software.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. I I think that looks decent.

yeah. The irony of this is that, if we remember correctly, only about one and a half years ago that nothing phone one was supposed to be a budget phone. And then the two used last year's flagship chip, and like relatively .

expense beat running, the .

one plus acceleration of, yes, another making an airline again, which is unna. But i'd really personally do love the design if this ends up being the final design. And in that animation that you are talking about shows the timer, clifts and all of that type of stuff. It's has functional.

The Normal one is like twelve clifts, right this is three. Um yeah I think .

they're just like flashes and then together they make a gliff. I can you right? Well.

that what I mean you like I guess kay, part that good later. Sorry, you yeah. I mean, like a there's three different lights that do different things.

right? Yes.

if anyone knew more than three, congrats. That's awesome. That sounds like a lot of things to remember on the back of your phone.

I love L D notifications. I miss L, D indicators on phones. I miss that so much. So yes.

this is cool. IT depends how often I, but like a big part of the discuss around the gliff interface was like, well, we use always on displays now, which toss in fiction. If you have your phone upside down and you see the other notification, you're gonna want to flip IT anyway. And then there's the awkward part of like, well, it's a flat screen so if you put IT face down, it's gona get scratches on the front.

And so it's okay. Two were bottles. One, everyone has a case on the front and I get, well, most I keep getting told .

everyone has a case on the are people .

that you a lot on and put, sorry, a lot of people, we're going to buy this phone, you're going to the case on IT. They'll put a face down and there will be fine. But the other thing is, I want this to be a color, a color thing.

So bad spoiler, we're work out of video. We're reading A A lot of phones that are older that have the little light on them. And that little light is so, so useful.

When IT has colors, you could program what you wanted each color to show you. And I would, I would, member, I would have like five, six colors, yellow over tweet deck, blue for this, Green for that. Ah and they'd all just tell me everything about me.

I remember the next six six had an RGB L. D. That they disabled before they launched the phone for no reason.

They just decided they didn't want to use IT. But I was still in the hardware. So every rome in the world is like, are you? Yes, I remember that?

Yes, yeah. That was good time, even when you have bigger or like at the track ball or something would light up and you have colors, I would be like, that's all I need. I like, look at my phone.

And like one, this is the whole phone.

Well, suing, there be cases that phone, let's give, like a clear plastic pack, whatever. And they get to see the lights lighting up in a way that tells you .

whatever happening on your phone. Yeah, I don't like always on display. So like just one.

My no day added. Yellow was a snapshot. Blue is an email, was a all I needed. IT was the .

best thing ever. I wish these can turn colors.

Yes, that would be great, although they don't know the Normal phone, right? So the nothing Normal phone, uh, so be very funny if the budget version head .

because yeah that would be rib. That yeah suspect won't be. I think that will be all White. L, D is of the same as last time, where you can pick one APP where if that light lights up, you know that that one APP has an notification fine, like a text.

I also really like, looks.

how much do you think it's going to cost? Okay, if I go nothing phone too. How much is nothing phone to? Actually.

right now, five forty nine.

five forty nine. Well, okay, so you go nothing phone to take out wireless charging, take out some water resistance downgrade to a domestic chip, take out, I mean, they still do cameras on the nothing phone to, so still do cameras. And you could knock some screen down and some battery down. I think you could get down reasonably to a competitive three fifty be .

number pixel.

A launching IT was fifty pixel. Pixel the first, a pixel fifty yeap, three fifty would be nice.

There was there the four was also three fifty, which was just like, yeah, yeah.

yeah, yeah.

That's the perfect budget phone Price. But also the pixel phone that year or those two years were is more expensive.

wasn't IT it's got more expensive.

I feel like the nothing phone too, like the Price difference ouldn't be that drastic. So like if they could even sneak a dancer like three hundred.

they might bob up and nothing than three Price though.

That's very remember. Let's remember.

The here bob did .

that the Price by one hundred dollars or something was pod .

was just u and I really like that that be so funny that what did and .

then they are giving the nothing will be more expensive, but you're saying they'll just .

bop up the Price on the two as IT exit.

We we have a history that's the best .

later president there.

Is this a rumor of what the Price might be OK IT. Is the at the moment from what are some of the things I read is, is approximately four hundred year s, which is around four thirty ust. So not quite what you will .

say at that Price. And this is gonna a hot take because people disagree this. You have to be higher fresh rate. Oh.

you have you know, that's not what I thought you were going with.

You need to be because like the budget phones now or all ninety heart plus, if you're going to have a four hundred dollars to the one, you Better not to sixty hurts. And I will personally make sure I talk about that. What if make sure? Is that a thread? I'm just say you ve got to be what if they .

have some other crazy feature .

like what if a software in that based on that?

Yeah, but that's cheap. You can do that. I mean, already built IT so you can put on on your phones.

I feel like, what if they made IT clear? No, I think they they'll spend the extra money for the nothing phone too, to be the differentiator in aesthetics at this Price. There will probably not be an amazing performer for the Price with this demented chip.

Maybe maybe i'm wrong. I could be shocked and this could be an incredible thing. But I don't think it's going to have the best camera at this Price.

I don't think it's going to be the battery p at this Price. I think it's going to the one that has sick design at this Price. Look at this software.

Look at this clear back. Look at this gliff on the back. That's what this one is going to have for this Price as a differentiator.

You prety great. And if you want IT to be the cheap iphone, you can get the cheap iphone. If you want IT to be the cheap, great pixel camera, you can get the great, cheap pixel camera. This is only the design one.

I mean, I remember that media attack was making a big deal about how its dementia series was a lot more competitive than its previous chips have been because I believe that this is their flagship line. And they make a lot of chips like they make the chips that go in palette, they make the chips that go in the amazon. Alex A, I ve used a palon.

IT is not sorry. Well, oh, I that's not supposed to be a phone. So I am I do see the sixty seven hundred ultra is going to be a foreign my or chip. And of course, I want to be petition cocom, and i'm sure it's going to give them Better Price flexibility than going with the quality ship. I'm sure that's very help for I just am like google and trying to find what phones the domestic seventy two hundred is in, and i'm not seeing any yet, but I just have a sneaky feeling it's not going to be mind blowingly good and that's gonna fine at this Price. That's fine just to be fine.

Yeah I think you be fine. yeah. I mean, again, it's like you can't really tell the difference between chips. Now I think a big reason that call had stuff the agent three with A I features is that they didn't really know this point. It's like, yeah, a agent one versus two was the same chip of five percent headed.

Room difference in performance is not a meaningful difference to most people, twenty five percent most people. But the AI stuff is .

meaningful. I think the right dim don't have to have a passivities instagram.

Yeah yeah. One other interesting thing about this, and I think IT was in the actual video that nothing posted, but IT seems like the two a is gonna in the U. S.

Developer program, which is what they did with the nothing fun wine. There is the nothing fun to you having an actual U. S.

release. So it's kind of wear that they're going back on that. But I guess trying IT out not in the U.

S. At first or what wasn't the developer program. You ve got a way cheaper, but like a basic was like.

yeah but does not .

really work over there. Yes.

but that was like a that was a while e after they had launched the phone.

So I that mean I S later for ably immediately.

But yeah, I think their long term play is probably to get into the page you go market because currently one plus like is slaying the page you go market. One plus and motor a are like extremely popular phones in that market and make a lot of money through that. So yeah then one post nord phones have weirdly high market share in the states, specifically in the page you go market.

Yeah so the so the nothing phone nod .

that's carles.

There's one last update. There is a phone that has a chiera, the vivo t 2 pro。 That one that phone is not in the U. S. But it's a roughly three hundred dollar phone o and now .

you can't say we didn't talk about IT.

There's a context how recently did to come out pretty recently is a vivo phone. So they're just true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

yeah. That's true. Vivo and realme, we get packages from them every other day. You think that's an exaggeration? Literally every couple days, real me and read me, we just get packages every .

other day of another .

version OK.

But that went hard though. I know that sounds on that one.

Yeah that sounds. yeah. One came on september IT had a hundred twenty eight giggs story or two fifty six Andrew, thirteen hundred twenty hundred three fresh rate ages agram. wow. IT runs fun. touch. O S.

nice.

That's an an unfortunate name.

That's an unfortunate name. yeah. right? Well, there's a prety short section, but we obviously a lot to talk about with the quest and vision pro stuff. So before we do that, let's use juvia. I get, take out of the .

lights every time. Tribe, so we have two questions you guys could pick, which one you want? Do you want a VR question? Or do you want a .

media attack question? R, I.

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每天 在 question number two before met a quest， there was the oculus rift. The first oculus rift prototype was made by palm m lucky and his parents garage in long beach, california. How old was he when he did this?

Kay.

that's the question .

I remember trying at at. See, yes. Did you try to see also? We yeah, see, yeah. That's a long time ago.

I have no idea how all this guy is there, so i'm going to have to guess. Anyway, answers later. I'll be right back.

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Reduct IT.

Did he? He refused use .

some problems.

which I think .

is with someone else care his own product .

to be dramatically Better than the competitive product. Uh, but he jumped in a vision pro. He had some words to say up a vision pro, which is really interesting because he runs meta and it's almost like they are in their own world of lake.

This is the metaverse and this is the products we built. But even he has something to say about vision pro. I think that's because everyone has something to say about vision pro and it's kind of like a little bit it's like threatened.

It's like on the radar here. Let me just say some of the vision pro. So he ah let's just play what he actually growth a lot of what he says, just play some of what he says about quest 3.

our guys. So I finally tried apple division problem. I have to say that before this, I expected that quest would be the Better of value for most people since it's really good.

It's like seven times less expensive. But after using IT, I don't just think that quest is the Better value. I think the quest is the Better product period o .

and you know .

the different companies made different design decisions for the headsets. They have different strength. But overall, quest is Better for the vast majority of things that people use mixed reality for mixed out. My friend Kenny is actually capturing this video on quest, higher mixed reality paster. Right now.

it's just a good for audio listeners.

IT is just a guy sitting there.

Hey, hey.

Candy Candy. Sorry, Kenny. If can he's a real person because is not moving in the video.

I think that looks more or less memorable than people doing video with vision pro, which was just like the ice is shining through, I think less memorable because the eyes are a really big part of the had perfectly still to be a tripod for this video. And the cut of way to Kenny is just.

it's great, but very funny. Also, he is like surprises being shot with the quest for that, we can tell the video quality is not good.

Yeah, yeah.

yes, I figured I think he goes on next to start listing things. You just want to pause after each thing he lists, and we will say whether we are agree.

I like that format. Yeah yeah. I think in general agree with most of them, but break IT down one one.

Yes OK. I just want to add the vision pro eyes. It's not exactly the least crich thing in the whole world but with the like weird triple try club, it's like the guy is like .

a face hugger.

looks like he's being controlled by the headset and not the other way around yeah all right .

in this video on quest tie resolution mixed reality pass through right now. We're which there in my living room you can see this is browse your windows and know whether else he's got running up here. So yeah, quest three does high quality pastor with big screens just like vision pro. But we also designed IT to be great for a lot of other things, moving around, playing games. I'm hanging out with friends and socializing.

working out and post quest. I would generally agree that because quests lighter and more countable and doesn't have a cable running your back pocket, it's easier to walk around, especially being more active in IT. It's kind of like wearing light plastic headphones or is wearing airports? Max, I saw somebody running in the city recently wearing airports. Max, like.

that's, yeah, I ouldn't want to get my .

your sweat on those cushions yeah so same thing .

with vision pro that that light your cushion you can really buy in other one yeah. So I wouldn't want to work a big, heavy pro being active nearly as much as i'd want to work quest being active.

So i'd give him credit. Yeah, a lot of people also like working out inquest, like supernatural, a very popular exercise APP inquest that people .

use all the time being just beat up that too, rather like i'm sweating every time I played that. And there's .

one two apps similar to beat saber right now in my vision proof and not exactly be sabor, but one of them is .

basically like hands, like a lot of exciting things, like things coming at you and .

yeah you got dodge things and jump and like duck. It's specially a high training, but it's fied.

I think he talks a little bit more to about something you say surely okay.

I think is just a lot more comfortable. Now we designed to way to gram, which makes a really big difference on your face. There's no wires that get the way when you move around. deal. Our field of view is is wider, and I found our screen to be brighter also.

Okay, okay, nicely specific. I love that. This is a straight to camera, one take by zc, and he nails all of these like specific point.

Yes, this screen and the quest is brighter and has a wider field of view but is IT Better overall as a different question. Well, he brings that up later though. Yeah um I would say yes, you're right. Rock IT is specifically brighter and has a wider field view.

I would say i've heard the thing about wider field of view putting both of them on. I can't really tell that much of a difference. Both of them I can see borders around my eyes and you don't get that like poor feral vision.

And you figure that out very quickly when something comes into the corner of your your eyes or like was that you win or you in and we are sitting next to each other? Oh, that's another thing. When you like drink a water.

it's really to start .

real hard. So yeah, yeah sure. Like cool is a little Better. I don't think it's a notable difference .

that wider fill of you yeah ah but in general, that's something that I mean, this is the quest three third generation. It's something has that have been working on a while is getting progressively wider and wider and more immerse the field of view. So to see a thirty five hundred dollars set have a narrower field of view was like a big point of contention for request enthusiasm.

That is a fact. Also, wait is a big thing because he mentioned he made IT one hundred years later.

Yeah, that's a big we all .

agree that the cost is for people because is willing to make things a plastic apple yeah .

and has baty yeah I I feel like the vision pro is more coffee personally really just because the the quest pro .

and three gets so different .

situation gets happy but IT gets so hot it's like like literally I pulled the three off after, like a two hour session .

and my face drip IT.

Have you used the vision? Prove for two hours? I have not used the vision.

and I find IT really hard to believe that is a of interesting, warm the vision proof. I mean, on the part, I didn't have anything in tempo of running, but for a long time you can start to feel the warm air passing out the over your forehead and the fans turn on, and you never hear the fans and ever really feel like hot air hitting your eyes, ramping like that. But you do kind of notice, like go at the top of this thing is kind of warm. That's as far as i've gotten as I don't I haven't actually warn quest three for two straight hours doing anything crazy that's interesting that he gets a lot harder.

I've only made IT like three hours. And at that point, it's like the combination of the ice train from looking at IT and the heat on my face and like i'm done with this thing personally, but not right, I haven't try vision pro for that for an extended work. And as soon as everyone is done passing IT around, i'm going to try no .

one thing you mentioned before, he mentioned the wire hanging down, I think is actually like, totally agree, not having that wire is so nice. Like IT makes everything more comfortable. I do also find a funny else brought of quest pro. I think it's whole layers that he doesn't compare to quest pro once in .

this entire video lately just regards .

which feels so much more like the comparison. And then oh, the third thing we're talking about, comfortable. This is going to throw this out.

I saw this awesome the other day where you can three print a connector so you can use the apple solo band on the quest three. And people say it's so much more comfortable because is so much lighter that you actually do get there. Really nice like boo version solo loop on the last time I want to that is probably the all time .

best quest accessory yeah kind of sake okay get to know cool.

Um I also noticed that apple headset t has this motion blur as you move around which quest is just a lot, Christopher. Now apple screen does have a higher .

the most is annoying. agree.

I'm trying to remember I guess I don't think I used IT as much. I I will say the quest has this thing and I know there's a name for, but I don't know where IT is, where if you're IT feels like on the bottom half of your screen, if you have something in the foreground and background and you move your head side, decide IT feels like the top and the bottom start swing and like almost disconnecting. It's something that what is it's weird.

And even though like the quest pro has uh, motion blur or sorry, a vision pro has motion, I feel more comfortable walking in the vision pro than I do in the quest pro. There's something about the quest pro that feels just a little disorienting. And I think the quest pro wins in her side. This is to be a very const 3 history vision problem。 I like walking in the vision pro.

Pater is definitely Better in the vision pro, and he mentions the emotion blur while moving around probably more laterally. And you do notice this especially because I think if in vision pro, you stare at one thing and then move your head, you'll notice that gets blurry while you moving your head and then you stop moving in, its sharpens up. And I don't think that is a Normal behavior. Most of the time in vision show you're focusing on the thing in front of you while you move around. And I don't think i've noticed any difficult motion blur in that he also used the word crisper interesting choice of .

words yeah because he's doing gene .

editing good one one that was good no.

it's is he thinks it's Christopher while moving your head. But the pixel density of the vision pro is dramatically higher. So crisper while moving versus crisp r in general is a bit fuzzy. That fussy. nice.

Yes, nice.

The resolution and and that's that's really nice. But I was surprised by how many traffics they had to make to the quality of the device and the comfort and organic ics and other aspects of the display and artifacts in order to get to that. Now for input, 快 supports precision controllers that are great for games on both headset support， hand tracking. But you, I found ours to be a .

little .

more accurate. Pause is OK. Oh.

sorry. No, you go. Okay, okay. The controllers on quest are great, yes, and they are Better for gaming than anything you can do on the vision pro.

And vision problem should have a controller option.

IT would be nice to have A, I mean, you can use IT like a game controller, but I would be nice if you could use like a point or controller whatever for games that bin said. The hand selection of things in quest is not even close to as good for regular moving around the U I. As the vision pro.

Just not definitely ask good. Um that being said, with quest, you're usually just holding the controllers and so that precision is really, really great. And if you just get use to controllers, you never have to worry about the walking's of like trying to grab a window and move stuff.

But I think the intuitiveness of apples I attracting, combined with how good and how wide and area IT can pick up just a pinching is fantastic. I would say it's just apple's oranges. Like controllers on one really good.

There are no controllers on the other, but the eye control and hand controller is really good on mp. And you're going to get way Better gaming out of controllers and way Better U I. And intuitiveness out of the other. I think that's what like sort of split IT down to yeah agree.

someone who has like a quest work flow where I like I leave IT charging on my desk and never use the controllers like the controllers are in a or just pulled on the first thirty five two seconds to a minute is just me looking at my hands going.

see them, see them. But again.

that's quest pro. No, it's three.

It's both quests. I didn't really feel like the hand track and got Better once IT finds your hands on three. But even still, you're like now making here now yeah.

the ending thing is not good .

taxing out of .

windows like I hit, I highlight the x and then I do this and I like and misses the x and I tried to hit like over and over .

and maybe IT boots the hand tracking like program a little bit after turning on because IT assumes you're going to use the controller. But every time I like C M yet and it's like no bro armless.

So I kind of think he's being strategic and what he's saying there and to be his hand tracking is like he he is about to mention eye tracking. And I feel like comparing the eyes tracking with the pinch isn't hand tracking for the vision pro. It's just like you're just using the pinch at that point and the interaction is far Better than any cause the quest like pinch and like point.

It's it's horrible. It's so bad and I don't think that's what is. I don't know. It's very confusing every saying this. I think he's just trying to say something about like hand tracking and being like how good IT seize your hands and shows them in a space because that pinching thing is terrible. And I tracking is different because is tracking your eyes and always using your hands for pinching.

And he could argue that it's more advanced.

Think I can yeah.

but the the quest hasted no more gestures, right? Because you have the menu, open, pinch and select pink in the rist in the best turn in yeah so it's not like they're not make trying to make a serious hand tracking thing.

I would use the controllers one hundred percent of the with the request totally.

Shall we continue on apple .

tracking is really nice. Um we actually had those sensors back in quest pro. We took them out for quest three. We're going to bring them back .

in the future that interest that was like a um what do they call IT when you complement someone .

but understand IT I thought a compliment sandwich like yeah .

it's like it's good. We actually had that years .

ago yeah .

and we're going to bring you back once. We think IT .

is actually a good feature.

Those sensors are in the quest pro yeah queer part of you again have controllers .

most of the time and and end up not using like the fundamental thing about vision pro is IT doesn't doesn't come with controllers. So you have to rely on the eye tracking being good all of the time for everything you do in everything yeah which is different from quest. yeah. But they bring back.

they're bring to bring to wonder in the future. I wonder why, just like how they brought color pastor mix reality, the quest before the vision can .

feel like the eye acting and pinching the far more intuitive non controller way of doing IT. Um IT is extremely frustrating when I like doesn't work because you just feel like you're using trying to use like telephonists by sitting and you like I can get this to go up .

a little higher.

you start lifting your head and there times just stood up to walk to the window that I have like in front of me and like just .

yeah which good works? Super .

frustrating to do.

I think also, and not to drag on too long. This kind of goes a little bit more to like we keep doing the philosophical thing where like what do we want the future to be and I think in like a twenty year, however long future you put on the glasses or whatever and just start using things without a controller. You don't want to have to think about IT a controller.

And for meta, if you get people still use of that precision controller, I think you now have to eventually find a hurdle where you get rid of controllers. And there has to be this leaping off point where they're like, I know you guys have been using these controllers. Theyve been really, really good for all these games, all the experiences, but every APP and everything that we do is going to have to lead off of controllers to graduate to this super .

light weight invisible mixture thing. We you are always going to have optional controllers for games.

I feel like possible. Yeah, maybe you always have optional controllers, but it's it's kind of like, what did you train your users to do for the past decade?

Yeah, I can seen the moving fully to hand tracking and and I tracking, but I feel like they're always going to lean into that, especially because they are a lot more about the VR experiences like people buy quest to play games. People don't buy vision proves to play games, right? Because you're not buy a vision pro for fruit danger. Yeah no so they have very different use cases even though they use fairly similar technology.

Yeah I um it's a .

nice and interface. It's not perfect for everything though for typing or complex task. correct. You're going to a want things like hands or a keyboard or controllers or eventually in neural interface like .

I would just casually dropped before I like like I don't know, keep Better like a narrow interface anyway.

Yeah what he's pretty much like all there's new like kind of review, maybe not revolutionary, but the thing that quest vision pro is really good at is that I can you like this new thing? It's like pretty good. You know the old school things are good. Like neural .

engine had had .

plugs in your brain.

No, I know not exact actly but some sort of it's funny because I agree with him that for simple tasks the the I tracking everything is great but the second you get to a complex task, yeah let's consider typing maybe more complex task then it's a little more like, okay, do I look at the letters or do I like type of thing in media? It's a little cumbersome m and clumsy.

And for that, I would just want to think of the word and IT shows up on the screen like things like that. You get a little more future looking and i'm sure they're working on stuff like that. But yeah just casually dropped that in there so like .

way so he is talking about IT plugging your brain.

Know if that's exactly what that mean yeah or there because in in the vision pro you have syria and you just say the word so you looked at you looked at the text field and just say award and IT shows up o and that's you know that's not a neural interface, but IT feels like one. And what's two steps are the down that line for for meta? Is that just had like wearing a certain like elector detector thing on on your for head?

I don't thought I .

can even type with my eyes. Imagine trying to focus so hard to only think of the word .

you're trying to say anything else also not think of .

an also this this is meta like I don't want my inner box scraped her advertiser data. They they well.

as you were .

thinking about hot dogs a lot, a lot like all day .

so we show you two ads in the bottom yes, yeah, interesting. I I agree with what he's saying. I just don't know how to get to that future yeah weird.

I do agree that using the environments and having IT make your keyboard .

go away is really stupid. Yeah I mention that yeah .

in the video yeah especially if you're like using your mac display and you're mirrors IT and then but then you to your tune environment and you just have to touch type floating in the area.

And that's one thing .

I really like about the meta remote desktop application is you can place a cut out on your desk yeah for all of your controllers like I all my macro buttons, my keyboard, my track pad. And so I can like physically, look, i'm a big macro button guys, but it's really awesome. That's why I have a quest workflow, you know I mean, because I actually. As much as that sucks that as hot and hurts your eyes and and and reads your thoughts or whatever, he does actually work, like at the day, IT does work. Yeah, yeah.

I just also want to point out.

at the end of every time allies does this, he takes off the heads up and he's like, I got to go for a walk.

Been on mars.

It's so real yeah.

I I did mention in the video. But like, if apple can do this and this and recognize your hands and pass through, then surely I should be able to do this, and, sorry, auto listeners, and like holding up my hands, and that's how you detect your hands and they work in pater. Surely I can hold up a keyboard or not.

if you can recognize a big book pro display and know how to automatically lift that out of the stream. You should be able to do like semantic segmentation and .

know where your keyboard do supported keyboards um like the lodge attack M X series keyboards mechanicals if you tell the quest that you're using one of those IT will can IT and then fully do .

a three d render. Oh really yeah wow. Yes, he.

I mean.

maybe works.

Now when I was trying to do, I couldn't get IT.

I think, but it's in the menu. yeah. I think I think you should be even more advanced with like you you looked at my hands and you know hands generally look like, so you will figure out in my hands, I think you should know what keyboards generally look like because the clouds is the same mostly every time. And then you have functioning easy.

喂， and you you can use the keyboard at all. It's not that you can.

arn T. Y. board.

But there's something about having my preferred visions see my hands typing on something yeah. And that being linked to what i'm feeling by pressing on buttons that is comforting. I not saying that I don't touch, I don't touch type. I know at a type. I just like something about my preferable vision telling my brain, yes, you are typing while feeling the thing .

is beneficial mostly and I state, but I agree, do whatever time. Try and get up a high monkey type on the vision proof I think I got like fifty six.

How are you with poking?

Yeah poking poking single fingers. Thirty seconds on monkey type. I got to like fifty two or fifty six.

Were you like .

interests from like just .

that I said in .

for an .

hour and that is .

a cost.

Immersive content library is a lot deeper. You know, we've working with studios building virtual and mixed reality games, another content for a long time now. And if you wanted watch youtube or play x box on a big screen anywhere you go, that's only available .

quest for now.

okay.

So i'm very fix working very specific wording. Did you watch his video? Yeah so IT shows he shows these sive videos that he's watching or whatever. And they just do not feel immersive compared to everything you watch in the vision problem.

I think like the term immersive is I mean, he is a his business thing. There's a lot of V R.

Yeah he says the immersive content library is deeper because quest three and quest two and quite they they ve been around for a while and theyve partner with tons of studios, all this stuff. So yes, they have a much, much larger collection of things to do in VR and immersive experiences. Of course, what is IT as good as the extremely small number of the ones that we've seen on vision pro?

Now I think you guys are using immersive as hyper realistic. And I I don't know if I I agree as that being the definition firmer.

I think that just refers to A, A, A type of media, which is this is fully in the X, Y, Z space around you, whether it's full V, R or mixed reality. It's just they have they have all these experiences. And if you watch the video, there's one that's mix reality like something coming out of the wall.

And there's also obviously V, R experiences and quest o as tons of this stuff. So yes, the library, which is what he's saying, is way bigger. So the amount of stuff you can do is way bigger. This feels like android IOS all over again, like the the vision pro is like you can do usually as much. But you could argue that the fidelity and the tracking and how wealth things they specially locked are in the media, especially the videos that like four videos that exist that we're shop revision pro, look Better by a mile than anything i've seen through request, has set some like do you want more or Better?

I think the big thing is like the the immersive video on the quest kinds just feels like to d video that is around you wherever vision pro videos feels freedom like feel more volume metric he said .

immersive experiences right now immersive video .

yeah yeah but he shows a video on screen when he says that.

yeah I guess my argument was immersive experiences is very obviously change me of the r game yeah I would argue that it's more missive and V.

R game. And then there's watching a fight from the corner of the octagon. So it's this content.

This doesn't exist. Vision, a beauty video stream, though all that looks like IT looks bad, but IT exists. yeah.

And I wish you could do this .

vision problem.

but they can. Now he's specifically using that language of our content library is deeper correct? I agree with the exact words that zc used in this video.

I'll put that I would argue the experiences in quest three are more mercy.

be more IT depends .

on what .

I think I mean, I like in the sense of I am in a position where, like, i've thought I could lean on things that weren't there and like IT just feels like you're in something where you're not actually there. Like you even like graphics aren't the only thing played super hat, which is like the most like bored, not boring, but like simple polygons. And i've fAllen over because i've tried to touch things in the actual this. I argue that extremely a most.

I think I know where you're going, which is and I I didn't really talk about as much as I want to know the last video, but the only really fully immersive things in vision prior the environments, which are like the five or whatever that you can do and the play area of that world is very small yeah.

So you can't really move around because you didn't like draw your play area on the ground or whatever sort of puts around you and you can take like two steps in each direction before IT breaks and you're out of IT and in super hot. If you have a huge play area, you can like walk across the room and get and crashed down behind the thing and IT will look like you walk across the room and crash down behind the box. And none of that exist on vision pro.

So in that way, the quest experience is more immersive because you have more play area. But if I just stand in place and look at a character, there's no question the vision pro looks more realistic, just in like foreign, but like standing on the moon or mount hood, for example, and just looking out and hearing everything and seeing everything and how well my head tracks and how how detailed hectors are that part advantage vision pro. So there are different things that make certain experiences more or less immersive in the play area is a big one.

I think there are other things we just haven't experience. Ed inquest pro that are like I remember on our life, there was like being on top of amount. And it's just like super high quality years standing on top of amount and can move to different areas, very similar to vision pro environment. yes. So I think we just haven't experienced enough of IT because i'm sure has plenty of three d environments you consider like yes.

eadie don't look as good yeah.

but I kind of agree with the you, Andrew. Like yeah on the fact that like super hot is immersive and not because IT looks good, but because it's responsive and fast like IT IT IT makes .

sense to your brain.

Mean, I get you ying.

Yeah I think a big part of that too is just that the vision prose resolution is so sure.

Yes, I not to .

which I .

would you even .

really notice because that feels good enough to me.

You know, when I look around IT IT, seems like there are a lot of people who just assumed that vision pro would be higher quality because it's apple and IT cost three thousand dollars more. But you know, onest ly, i'm pretty surprised that questions so much Better for the vast majority of things that people use these headsets for with that Price differential. Now look, I know that you know some fan boys get upset, whatever anyone there the question .

of apples .

do and in hands.

But the reality is .

I love that .

every generation of computing hasn't open and a closed model and yeah in mobile apples, closed model one. But it's not always that if you go back to the P C era, microsoft open model as the winner. And in this next generation, meta is going to be the open model. And I really want to make sure the open model wins out again. The future is not yet written.

So you have moment. Yes.

he's looking out for us. He's he wakes up. He brushes the macedonian dust off of his hood. He walks out in his yard. He's just a Normal .

given one thing in there that I was when I was listening to this that was thinking of like a lot of the fan boys will be upset about this. I was like, what about the facebook .

and boy company that doesn't invoice for sure and I don't know that was just people that defend the company into the area. Yeah there's not as numerous because a much more niche product.

Yeah yeah I like the quest ah like really yeah for sure. I don't know. I wonder if the fans there are more like I want to use this directly compared apple because I just like apple or they like hard core I west fans.

Here's a way looking at IT, if you have been using a quest for like a year and the vision pro comes out and you look at that APP store and what IT does, there is no reason to swish the vision pro. And if you're suck, that's what just happened.

You're like i'm shocked that there is no reason for anyone who's had A A quest right to even consider that three thousand dollar thing apple came out with no great games, way less content library, like no partnerships like we have like we've been doing this. We got control as we get all this stuff. And like why would I get a vision pro? The question, he does all this stuff. So that's from that perspective .

makes perfect sense because .

the the go caused mainstream where.

It's also not at all this similar to like when a nexus phone would have something for like four years and then apple would put in in IOS and all of hundred people would say we've had this for five years.

You guys going have to keyboards and and twenty twenty three a lot of the times apple would make IT more polished or they would do IT like in a way that um people who are not willing to put up with the evolution of technology would be OK ay with yeah um but they did have IT for a long time before yes yeah so it's kind of the same same deal. And I also I would disagree with his statement that apple won the open versus closing their face war because like yes, they're department generally more popular in the united states. But globally, android phones are like a vastly more popular.

I would also argue that in the long run, apple sort of did win the PC war. Like give you a hospital, you're going to with a .

lot of people have .

PC and he definite oversimplified.

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But I think in general, he is trying to paint a very broad picture of how he wants us to go. Yeah.

can you replay the start of that one more time? There is something very specific, he said.

prize that so much Better for the vast majority that people use these headsets for, with that Price differential.

Now look, I know I think it's really funny that is like, is so much Better for what people use these headsets for, because we've been making the headsets for years and the vision proves been .

offered on money. They ought all the studios .

that make the content yeah what people use this has sets for is what quest users have already been doing. And so yes, of because this is what we offered them.

yes. Well, in in in Marks defense, it's like one of the reasons I have not been jumping on the bit to use vision pro in the same way that I use quest is literally because of a small little feature because I can have multiple remote, just top windows like that's that's a product killer for my specific use case. So we is ready is like.

yes, it's a bomb that you basically if you want to have multiple windows up and you have to use safari in the vision pro, that's what that that is like. A very, very opic version of apples like world garden play is where i'm going to let you just use whatever browse or you want. If you want to have the best experience, you've got to use safari and we're going to associate multiple farry windows with the best experience.

No, you can have multiple APP. So yeah yeah just not mutio windows of the same APP.

Yeah multiple windows open.

Not like, can I have multiple instances of the notes?

APP, yes. OK, thank you. But you cannot have. The only thing you can have more than one of is virtual displays for your mac. yeah.

And at least currently, uh, no other .

growers are companies make a vision.

So don't I don't think you can actually more than one note that I think so far is the one they more into crazy that they didn't like an an apple silicon m serious chip inside the vision process that I could do these things.

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Yeah that these are intentional decisions.

Smaller thermal headroom anyway yeah that's that's basically at our reaction to our CEO. Reviewing his own .

product .

is always fun to hear here reviews .

the iphone and told on bias yeah yeah and mark didn't even .

go through the trouble of dressing up as more cas come.

i'm gonna need tim cook to record a video response to he's too .

busy chilling at the super bowl .

lucis sharing the division. Do you see .

tim cook? He's a celebrity. We can't relate to mark. It's just him in his cows. That's a real guy.

Tim cook went faced with difficult questions, doesn't try to defend the product. He just says, buy your mom and iphone. Oh, you make the experience so bad for you. When I want to text my mom, the pictures .

don't come out good like.

yeah but he flips IT on he lips.

I think apple's natural response would be vision pro just came out. Give you a second. We have the best developer error from six hundred to a thousand in the ap store for vision pro like word generation one here. I think that's what their natural inclination would be, and that's also a totally fair response.

So I think ultimately, meta is so happy division proxy for so many reasons because we're going to sell so many quest pro for people who are interested in a similar experience but do not pay thirty five hundred dollars. Yeah they're excited that people are going to start investing in the mix reality space, which tend generally means they are going to be investing in quest contact and by the studio. Yeah, yeah, I think I think for them it's like a win win. Yeah.

I think yeah, they definitely want mix A R V R, any type of heads that to be more popular. And that's what apple does. Well, do popular .

sticks to come. And years. And you just remember the first generation of your pause. Yeah, I been same as go and that happened.

And all of a sudden everyone was walking around with these like, these like in tennis, come in other years. And I was like, this looks, so does, oh my god. And I was laughing at people for months. And now it's just completely Normal yeah, I do get .

asked a lot, what do I think is the future of media like we've been doing this whole D U. Two video thing for a while and the natural incantation is, yeah, the future would be an immersive video. The future would be, I hold the video and I hold the phone in my hand and you can see IT like it's in your hand and you can look around and that feels like that's the future where barreling towards. I just don't know how far along that line we are yet. I also don't know if it's actually going to work out M.

K, B.

Well, so so I used to to run a VR website back in the day, not run. But I wrote like ninety percent the article for IT called VR source. And I start going to oculus connect at the first oculus connect forward. And at that time they were, they were like partners with all these studios to make these like three short films. So IT was the way a Normal movie works as they direct your attention to drive the story.

But in that circumstance, they can not need to have multiple story lines going on at the same time, so you can pay attention to one thing, watch IT again, kind of look over here and pay attention to another thing, notice more things. And it's a very, very cool idea, not the similar to your like three immersive content thing. But IT felt like IT took way more work and its way harder to be like, precise about what kind of story you want to tell totally. And only a few short films were ever made for that.

The dao sphere movie had sort of the same, like the canvas was so broad you'd like, look over here and then you'd like, wait of my missing what's missing .

the movie you just to watch like six times and .

no actually wants to do that and that's financially .

so hard .

to do to yeah well, that's about how we have to talk about for now. But we of course you have in the episode yeah we end the episode. No.

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with. 吃瘪。 Next time i'm turning that way.

I feel like people are going to get so mad at this. So quick up. They on the score.

Marcus.

Yeah, in the lead with a single point.

just one point thing all the way up in front.

Andrew, with one two minus one zero. David with zero as well.

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true. First .

question.

Mark OK break famously named all of .

his cows after .

famous .

kick box. Just kidding. Are you?

I wish that we're true. Mark has added, you guys both use speakers in the yma, haha, H S. Series, terrific series of speakers.

And those are what we call two way speakers. They have two individual speaker drivers on that. The one on the top that makes all the high sounds is called the twitter. The one in the middle that makes the lower sounds is called the wet.

Are you? Well, this already I I did.

Very confident .

about this one.

This is not.

You can use my alternate you want.

Oh, yes, give me mine .

wasn't good enough.

All right, you're at a time. What do we have?

Right.

but right, David, what did you put sub? I'm sorry.

What is what did you pid?

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what did jupp suber?

I am unfortunately not.

I never thought I was getting there right anyway.

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invented these things. But and before I will make .

the things come that i'm pretty sure that sure I I that.

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so what's A.

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next question, how old was palmer lucky when he made the first prototype of the oculus rifts?

I don't lucky.

Close winds.

Sure way, really, without going over Prices.

right? No way. Prices guys mess up the questions.

Multiple choice.

Now that makes not guess what?

That's .

crazy. wow.

And when I guess a different score, i'm going to get there wrong. Therefore.

i'm not changing my stick with my to actually be close. yeah.

Lebon read what you got.

David. I wrote nothing wrong.

Andrew.

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twenty .

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that's over.

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is eighteen .

eighteen I.

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Yes, yes. I think dav get a point as funny as IT is that .

he didn't get really.

No, no, no.

I tried. I'm upset.

I was GTA change IT to eighteen .

and then I was like, no, i'm sticking to my gun to be delta. It's not.

We will reconsider our Prices, right? Rules from here on out, maybe starting now.

starting now.

Do you want the media tech question as well?

All right.

IT actually is a shrip media tacks marketing department. Makes me laugh with almost everything they say. They d have a way of inventing these words that aren't stupid, like a lot of tech markets, but they're very funding .

to ask me what the city means.

please. So no, density is not on here. That is such a silly word. What IT is? Real density. density.

I was I .

IT doesn't matter.

I am to IT was dimension and density because they're talk. It's like a anyway, anyway, I don't think get a real word alright, but which are the following media attack, branding, marketing terms is also not real. Again, i'm going to give you three real ones.

One fake. One, are you ready, guys? A in magic, which I think is appointed to to be either imaging or imagine, and then the word magic.

But IT also ends in a queue for some reason, not even going to try to explain the one I A A G I Q in magic. The next one is mirror vision, M I R A vision. This combines the spanish word for look mira with the english word for vision. Vision.

thank you.

Also me that there's .

your cut.

It's going to be a piece meal out. It's because .

typically when people use that word in spanish means they're matic. You look me, there's look, look, you're not getting IT man.

People is Better.

yeah. See looks, see a combination of the words look no way and see looks. In case you're curious, it's like a lighter protocol for auto focus instead of literally l it's look. But then see is with A Y S C Y Lucy looks a Lucy and then d is. Make linker is is a linker, and if you don't know, the linker is is something that allows you to take object files in .

the system code and generate executors .

outside mick linker is spelled exactly like .

a mcDonald liner would .

be well in magic with A Q mira vision, one word c Lucy, L, O, K, S, C, Y and d Michelle inker.

This one of those one you need that want to be wrong and it's right. I just.

alright. David erb, you know, be as a mirror. Sion is fake. yeah. No mirror .

vision .

is is IT a magic? Now it's Lucy out of.

make that fact I there I think I felt like a kind of gave .

IT away but but nick linker.

I magic with A Q is just too like i've i've seen that too many think it's anyway .

that was that was in the journey. We all just talk together quite the clinker, we quite linker from from youtube some L A B testing. Remember that all about like today all the way through Taylor swift and tiktok, three with nothing phone to a remember the vivo t two pro member, no member .

versus vision pro.

This episode is literally gone to take a year off my life.

This is a winding journey. If you guys appreciate the other else, have to go through to give two guys by friday. I want for at least give us a rating somewhere where we be listened, watched a, nonetheless, we back at next week. So thanks for watching, thanks for listening and see IT .

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