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What is that? People, the internet will come back to another episode of the way from podcast we're host on our kiss i'm David. And from remembering this right, our last episode outside check IT out it's a bone episode and IT has absolutely no tech whatsoever. So if you're in our Normal audience really loves tech, okay, but if you're in our new audience who is maybe like a little to not so much tech, hey, some animal stuff over there, some mechanical stuff, grow a stick stuff .

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I put I just now we're back is a friday for real .

this time and apparently there's a word restaurant I need you to explain this to because I wasn't aware that that's a sentence that could be a real thing is happening. I thought .

that's just what you call stuff that happens .

on tumbler work, word press. Well, a but is timber built on word? correct?

It's owned by automatic, which owns word press. But I need you sort sort of owns work. Okay, uh, do you get know what word press is? I thought, you know.

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Day's episode, we've got to .

the right keep on toy's episode. We've got our .

favorite developer, Christian Shelly, getting another APP taken from him will talk about IT, but also picks leaks, no bar a some more relative to microsoft killing holloway ds, but first, David, please, what is happening?

You guys know what happened on october fourth, one thousand hundred and fifty seven? Oh god, no, i'm it's not make very close my dead birthday. But no, wo yeah.

My .

dad was .

also born.

If you're so around one press rama.

you have you guys heard do you know do you know you've heard of you .

know what IT is? Is a site that you can it's a it's kind of like what's what we square space, square space, it's like you can build a website on top of IT, usually a blog with written posts. That's that's what I think .

of what I think of word press.

Yeah, yeah. So it's open source, right?

right? So yes and yes, I know. And that's what makes this drama so spicy OK. okay. So wordpress is technically A C M S or content management system that throughout the years has been built out more and more be able to run for websites. Now the thing about wordpress is that it's it's very interesting because there is wordpress at org, which is a open source foundation that builds word press right, and then there's also word press up com, which is a four profit company that is owned by automatic, which is a company that also owns pocket casts, tumbler stuff, old school. Hold on.

this is already reminding me of O B S versus stream lab O B S.

And that's because it's extremely .

simple OK call. Yes.

it's actually almost the same story. And when I was yeah, I was doing lot of research on this sit and I was asking a lot of my friends who are really deep in the open source community about this stuff because I wanted to, like, find some analogies and that kind of stuff. Um yes. okay.

So where press at org is this open source foundation that builds word press? And then we're pressed up com owned by matt what mullen wegg e who runs automatic, which also owns tumble pocket, cast long range gravitas and actually recently required beeper. If you remember that IT is a cool portfolio.

yeah. So that moon weg is a cofounder of wordpress. He like built IT. He wanted to be open source. He's like a hard core open source kind of guy um but it's also hard to keep contributing to an open source project if you want IT to be your job, right?

If you want IT something to be open source and you're not really like making money from IT a lot of the times what will happen is companies will spin up a profit wing of the project that makes money, but then contributes back to the open source project. And the point of open sources that other people can take. That code would use IT as the foundation for something to build out of things.

Yeah, okay. Now just so happens that another company took that open source wordpress code and hosts wordpress for people called wordpress engine. Specifically, what work press dot calm does that work press dot org does not do?

Is there like a hosting service, right? So they provide like really easy set up of your website and will host IT for you. And then they have like customer service and plugins and all this stuff.

Yeah so you can have youtube can have a blog. Yeah that sounds .

like what market is comparing to square space?

Yes, okay, because you can use square space to host you, or you can just buy domains from square space, or you can just use the major host. Yeah, I used to have google domains, domains. Uh, they got bought by square space.

Now i'm forced into the square. Is space ola galkin? yes. okay. So wordpress engine, which is this other company that is a host provider that uses word press, has been around since about twenty ten. So they ve been around for a long time now.

This drama all started at when you believe IT, a conference called word camp, which I cannot believe people go to. Yeah, this is like the best thing ever, but that's OK forty percent of the web. It's a conference around wordpress that toasted in portland.

Where can I also, I think that think confusing me is saying word press every time. And so this was word camp was hosted by word press.

the phen source. Yes, okay, yes. So we're press up.

Yeah, it's confusing. We're press up. Org open source where press com automatic company. But matt mullen, wegg is like on the is like a chair of the wordpress toward foundation, and is the CEO of automatic.

So there is some weird cross pollination, because that was his idea where he has control over the organization. But he also runs a four profit company. And this, this is why the drama .

is .

spicing. We OK fine. yeah. okay. So at the a word camp conference, he basically had this whole presentation where he started just directly calling out word press engine and telling people that they should move off of them. And the reason is because in a blog post later, he called the company a cancer to the community because they do not contribute like almost anything back to the open source code of overpressed at ork.

Generally in open source, it's kind of like standard to like if you are using open source code, have engineers that are like building upon IT and then pushing that back into the open source version of the project. Because the whole point of open source is, is that the community is getting together to make something really good that everyone can build off of, right? So apparently math says that were pressed up com automatics company that he is the contributes three thousand nine hundred hours per week to the development of the world wordpress open source code, whether he says that wordpress engine only contributes forty hours a week to IT. So this story is kind of a mix of like what's legally OK versus what's morally OK, and that's what makes you really interesting. So matt then sent to A C, D C letter towards press engine for using the abbreviation W P, because IT says he says he will mix people up thinking that it's actually wordpress when it's .

not word press that is exactly stream log A B S like a but what did he send the letter to himself?

No, no, because he sended to to W P engine OK. Because so math ones, math on the chair of work Price org, the foundation. yes. Also C E O of repressed up com for a profit company. And then wp engine is a separate company oil by the private equity firm.

Okay, yeah, we're pressed up.

Common wp engineer, both hosts, like they host wordpress sites, right?

Yes, I got lost a little.

No, if you are confused.

I don't know .

the protest.

Am I the only one confused by that?

I'm trying to keep up OK.

What's your? What's your questions?

Your questions. What's the drama?

H, well, the main draw .

MMA is that matt moulin wegg. E, who is the cofounder of the word press foundation and CEO automatic, which answered press up com, is angry that W P engine does not contribute to the open source code of warped at org.

What they do, will they do?

Yeah, forty hours, he said, which is one employee. Yeah, sure. okay. Um so he sent a season to this letter to wp engine for using a name that makes customers think that wp engine is wordpress.

Because when people go and they want to set up a word press site, the C E O probably sometimes do you. The W P, sometimes directly the wordpress dot com. And it's kind of his fool, in my opinion, that he called his four profit website were press dot com when were pressed up. Org is the open source foundation. I don't know that's kind of confusing.

okay. I can confirm there is confusion to be had.

There is confusion. okay? The engine then responded with their own season disease that claimed that matt demanded that they send a very large sum of money just days before the wordpress convention. And if they don't send IT, he was going to Carry out a quote, scorched earth newt clear approach against this company. So he allegedly sent them a taxing. He was going to make the case at wordpress camp as to why they're banning wordpress engine in a slight deck called how private equity can hold out and destroy open source community. A story in four parts um I would watch you.

I already want to watch. yeah.

And then he demanded that they pay a sensing fee for the name wordpress or contribute their fair share to the development of word press. So this story is kind of around like technically open source, right? You can build anything off you want off the open source code, and there's nothing legally that says you have to contribute back to IT.

However, mad is very angry that this private equity firm clearly does not care about the development of a repress. So n opportunity sought runs forty percent of the web and was like, let just make a ton of money. And its name is very similar to wordpress.

who has good S. U. already. You get one percent of that forty percent.

your bank. So then were pressed to org, banned wp engine from accessing their servers to actually pull the open source code from which means that none of their customers could like ever update their sites when the wordpress org foundation updated the code um and IT made IT. So IT was very difficult.

Wp engine customers to use the service then did reverse the ban but gave them until october to create their own mire toward press or dog or resolve their conflict. Anyway, that most of the drama there was an update this morning that IT was revealed that automatic asked for eight percent of wp engines revenue, either to be paid directly to automatic or two wp engine employees to contribute toward press that org. But if they chose the a percent out, wp engine would have to give wordpress that organ automatic full rights to their time shets to make sure they were fulfilling obligations.

yes. So it's a lot it's very confusing. It's very boring. But IT IT is kind of while I think this is kind of what happens when you have one person who is hard core about open source, who runs the foundation and the four profit company off of the foundation, it's like you're allowing other people to make things based on your code, but you're also demanding that they do with things that they're not actually legally obligated to do.

Yeah, yeah. But I feel like he's also coming at this from the point of like it's kind of an unwritten rule. We're like.

yes, it's open sores .

like you should be contributing to IT if you're using IT. So like for him to make that demand. Yes, it's illegal or not not legally obligated, I guess is the way of crashing IT? Yeah, but it's kind of fair in my opinion. I don't know because it's like like you're using .

this is one of those things that's not like legally incorrect but morally incorrect, right?

And because of private equity firm.

yeah, yeah, yeah. And like the whole point of IT is, you know you're taking all that again, stream ops. O P S was like taking all the stuff from an open, open broadcast.

Oh yes, whatever was IT was a streaming site, a streaming that was all open source. And then stream labs of a four profit company that was like taking me. And they threw O B S, the end of their name to the program.

Thought IT was O B S. Open source. Really, IT was a way to make money off of what felt like .

the name is where you think this gna go.

You where we are, right?

right? The reason that the story is like spicy and kind of important is that I could change the way that open source works um and like all the ability for an organization and foundation to have like such a closed close affiliation with like a four profit company because I think that there is a kind of a conflict of interest there. Yes, that seems like good people have a strong disagreement. What especially that he said, either pay automatic directly, which is not wordpress that org. And i'm sure that his mindset is like we will have engineers work on the project based on your funds or you contribute directly, but we will like look at your timesheet.

which is I feel like that's just a wild trying to force their hands to just have their employees work on the open source code yeah I don't think he actually expects them to pay him eight percent.

You know I mean.

he asked for IT yeah it's like give me a million years invested in your own company like that's basically what he saying so that they can work on open source yeah so again, you can give me the money and I would gladly take IT. But like the smarter road is to just have your engineers work on the open source code like everyone else.

Yeah, yeah. So who knows where this goes? I think a lot of people are just like this could end up in a legal battle. And that legal battle could change the way the open source or organizations work. But yeah it's spicy because they cut off W P engines like access for a while and I made a ton of websites not work properly.

But yeah um thank you for explaining that. I'm sure anyone listening well in tune with what's going on was like that was a terrible um example of that but because David the dump down, so hard for us to understand um but thank you for doing IT for us um yeah it's all kinds crazy. I'm interested see how that comes out where this is if IT goes anywhere, if this is just going to be A A public .

headbutting for a little probable, probably anyway we can move on until there's an upon .

right Christian time.

sure. So I remember you a couple months ago telling me that he made a vision pro youtube back. And I don't remember exactly what I said, but i'm pretty sure at some point I was like how long to let get remove?

sure. Can I explain you a real quick? Yeah, there is no youtube back inside the apple vision pro. Christian selig e very popular developer. What we've talked to at a million times on .

because he made to follow the red APP which .

is um and he made this APP inside of the vision pro tells you watch youtube no IT wasn't specifically a youtube APP. IT was kind of like a red skin safari browser that was solely focused on youtube and like made IT feeling a native youtube up. But the way he got around that was kind of like this is it's not using youtube A P. I, but it's using a precious, safer. And it's kind of just like a new way of opening a safty tab inside of youtube with a full screen player and like skipping play, pause different controls and suffer um the APP so just took IT down um which yeah you kind of called .

yes youtube google .

forced .

to take IT down saying IT violated their trademark OK. Um in April, youtube told Christian that june violated youtube S A P I turns of service but he rebutted to them and said we don't I don't even use the youtube A P I O K. So they were just assuming that he was using the youtube P I apparently.

Um and then after all that he like removed the youtube blog from the apps home page and added unofficial to its up store. And but now it's at the point where it's getting actually serious and he has to take him out now famously, when the vision pro l launched there a bunch of apps s that we're missing that everyone was like this is making this headset like less useful. Netflix was one of them that still is like has not launched a netflix APP.

Apparently youtube is planning on launching a vision prop in february ah which is interesting because everyone was sort of thinking that google is just doing IT because they didn't want apple's product to succeed. Um but yeah, I don't know i'm assuming if they're taking down Christians at this point because like if you don't have your own APP on a platform, and so what makes the third party one they're giving you another way to like watch your service which yeah to me says like yeah which to me is like that only good for you. But then forcing him to take IT down tells me that they are planning on soon launching theirs and they just don't want her to be a competitor to play.

Those I will get to also, if you run youtube and someone else makes a three party youtube, and a lot of you people think it's youtube APP, yeah, that's out of your control. So no matter what that person does, what that APP in the future, people will think it's you, even if they lots .

of things that's great, you ad to catch flag. They don't need someone else.

They want to own those bad things, all of them. So yeah, I I guess I wasn't shocked. I'm actually surprised that I took this long, but at this point now, the only we can watch you two videos on the vision pro is back to just the browser, the saari like going to youtube dot com. Yes, sorry. And watching them there.

I think this is such a view into the future versus what I used to be like in the past on like android phones and early iphones when everyone was making rappers for everything to make the experience Better. And IT was just kind of known and open that people are going to be doing this. And then we're like twenty different redit clients and a bunch of different clients for twitter and like the developer community was so cool and viBrant. And then now all of these companies are trying to take back control their platforms, keep all their users in on their platforms that they see the ads that gives the money all the stuff.

Um the thing about IT is like wasn't even IT wasn't like vancsik whatever that takes away ads. You know I was still playing all of the regular ads because it's still .

just dreaming a youtube video. Some other there not I know sure.

I I mean, clearly, the lawyers didn't .

really know anything about how he built IT because they were like your using our area and he was like, no, so i'm sure that google is just like there's a thing that does our thing.

You should make a stop. Yeah yeah, it's using our name. IT is, yeah, I will say I am old enough to remember when youtube, the APP was preloaded on every ipod touch. And then in that fire, yeah, I G O R T V I. That was like the first .

piece of tech .

that I really got for myself as a kid and having the youtube ipod touch like was, I was formative for me.

So I was also like basically my first. yeah. So I remember the good.

the good collaboration days between apple and youtube. But yeah, yeah, this is gone from the upstart. I will see if end up if we end up getting a youtube APP for vision pro. Some point I will say I haven't actually use my vision for now in least two months. Yeah.

what do you think is for you the most useful time? Do you think the plane .

is the most useful time to use IT? It's great for just casual browsing, random ran. I'll take IT on my next I will.

Mark doesn't do anything casually.

Well, so .

hundred percent.

There are. There are some movies that I want to watch, and I think one of them was on apple TV. So I think I will. Downloaded on the vision pro and .

watched on the plane, I ask alien.

the new one, the first, the nineteen nine.

why is that .

the country? There's a few i'll see there's a .

few watching something. I i've known you for a little bit. Yeah, i've never heard you feel like I want .

to go to the movies.

No, I want .

to .

go to .

vision.

I am i'm going to watch IT when IT comes out, and I can watch IT now. This reminds me that I had like us, I was many. It's not really attend IT, just a small thing.

Speaking of the moving.

speaking of the movie, a last night, I accidentally win and watched a two hour children's film in the movie.

What's the accidentally? Yeah.

how was this an accident? So there's a movie called the wild robot that came out and IT.

yes, okay, look.

yes, it's animated OK, but ninety? yeah. Look ninety seven for around tomatoes. I saw like two people that I follow on twitter being like, dout robot is like, really beautiful and and really fun. I really enjoyed IT.

And I was like, huh? IT might be like one of those animal movies that's like, actually made product. I didn't look up anything about IT.

I took a friend. We bought some tickets. Neither of us had read anything about IT looked at anything about IT. IT was like really hard to watch because IT was such a .

children's movie.

Awesome I mean the animation styles incredible yeah um but just the writing and the like, the passing and the fact that there is like music playing twenty the entire time and there's no like pacing at all and just kind of like fast pace children's movie and then everyone's happy together and working together all the time. I was just I .

don't think that makes a good children. I always think like I always keep going back to a bug's life being a good by undertake movie. There's like deep and dramas and William and like it's so well around in moving the movie you can still enjoy IT as adult I think that's what .

makes you a good yeah yeah no, bob and .

says like a ninety eight percent yeah i'm not okay.

Look, to be clear, i'm not saying this movie is bad. I'm saying he was clearly made for kids and it's really no, I didn't know so I kept waiting for there to be some sort of like real, like gripping story. And IT just really wasn't there.

And I left the movie. They are being like managed, just literally washed a full kids move. There was only like eight people in the thear and there just kids running and scream the entire time. I like, sorry, I can do this. I can be the next store kind of guy that I .

feel those kids lock .

them in their chairs.

told you there was a twenty minute details that .

was only like five. Anyway, that was my those my movie theatre, so that you will not be watching this in the movie.

Uh, okay, we should take a break. We more talk about pixel stuff, read the stuff. But before we do that, I I think we should do some trivia.

trivia. So first question front of the pod. Christian selig, maker of the Apollo rated APP, which we have covered at link here, also pixel piles. Yes, I was question.

No.

that's not the question because it's awesome and everyone should go get that up. But did you know he also has a youtube channel?

You did I do video, nice.

His last .

video was all about making a common tech accessory from scratch. That's right. Can you tell me what he made? Here's a hint.

There's one of them in this room right now.

You like you have both in youtube channel oh my god.

I got serve the video and I was like, oh, he just started to you teaching and I clicked on IT. He is like multiple sounds like, well.

I feel like a terrible friend. There's one okay using there's one in this room heavily yeah OK. Well, are we thinking about that? And the answer will be at the end, like you, who will be right?

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Like it's not like advisor. It's more of like a bubble in the corner and it's just so I kind of wish is more visor. It's sort of it's a square actually.

Either way, it's not adviser. Right now, we have leaks of what may be the next a series pixel, the budget pixel pixel on nine eight. And for those who are not watching in the video, IT also is not adviser matter. Fact is just an central fund. Is the the central like it's like it's a flat sided, glossy .

backed.

big, big, not huge.

but like is an a that's big vesa.

even vesle whole punch cut out and totally separate flash. Next, the car module, dual cameras IT looks very essential phone, but with a giant g on the back and a huge camera, how we feel? And is this boring? I mean, it's black. There's no like colors leaked in particular render.

I mean, I was made out of the same materials as the essential fun. May I be excited?

So I. People forget that phone back in the day was like, pretty, really well built. And I was like a four hundred box, right, and .

five, five.

nine and a heavy jack. You .

could buy an attachment.

I don't think they ever sold that attachment. alright. IT was on the road, man, but I don't think they put .

that I thought eventually did. First one, is that three? Sixty six?

Yeah, maybe they did. Anyway, the the pigs on nine will probably be very, very predictable. IT will will probably be four, forty nine or something like that.

IT will probably be a tensor. G 4。 IT will probably be the old camera sensors, regular and ultra wide. No, IT will probably be, do you think it'll have in screen.

fingerprint power button.

fingerprint render .

looks like two regular buttons. So I would guess.

I guess probably in screen, but maybe not ultrasonic could be cheaper EXO tico. Probably hundred .

eight storage. G eight around. Did you exchange?

Why is the essential phone? Because there is no camera. yeah. AmErica is very flat as well.

which I like. I think a lot of people are gonna like i'm hoping that means enough battery as well by ahead and ad battery. If you want to fly out the back of the phone, not have a car bump and have more battery, great love that.

But I just generally means the sensors away smaller, also one hundred person reason of the camera bumps on these ones because the sensors are huge and have a large access dimension, which means you just need to portray IT up the back. yeah. So yes, smaller sensor is equal. Smaller camera bum.

I think the conversation will fixed for me is still mostly around like, is an x version actually going na be like a huge jump up for tensor? Is that actually going to be the exciting like, well, this is going to be g for right? This one is not going to have the new one to be big ten generation that has that stuff.

You so still wait for that. But that's the question is like, okay, should I should I buy the pixel nine series generation stuff? Or should I be waiting for this alleged amazing huge efficiency update for the ten and the tensor g five if they still called that? Unsure yeah about rumors about that.

Well, for the hundred th time they're releasing this allegedly in spring, like usual, I want to, and they need to stop doing that because I know why they do IT in in that they're just like the parts are so similar to the regular phone that people aren't buying them anymore if they really say new thing, but that uses a lot of the same parts. They are technically just selling more of the phone. But when they do this like this, the nine is our only like six months before the ten yeah nine eight, six months for ten. So it's just like I don't want to buy this phone when the tens about to come out, but it's have the Price, then maybe .

people won't all the pixe don't think as much is just a budget pixel and the way that apple does that .

is they only released in S. C. Every few years.

true? yeah. Oh yes. It's phone. Ten body. People are in ten r maybe. yeah. Which is annoying because I wish I was a mini which would just make IT die on anybody. This .

shot down.

how leve I reading the meeting .

has less self driving case, uh, like legal and trying to decide were talking about but I heard iphone mini and was like.

I just want to say I appreciate six months until this probably comes out yeah.

we are yes, out there. Yeah google.

I know, was so on brand.

Yeah, they are not good at keeping secrets.

Also do think this is going to be .

more expensive because .

the eight, eight we keep .

jack in the Price every year. I don't .

think you can .

launch this higher than five hundred .

and all jemini. They also increased .

the Price of the standard pix nine by one hundred dollars. Remember that? Yeah.

so that will makes like good ye or I really Better .

because that A A was almost the same Prices sale.

Should we okay, should we bet on the Price, the launch Price of the pigs on nine.

nine, eight.

four, nine? I hope that's wrong, really wrong, really have eight giggs iram the AI stuff because all the all the pixel nts of I think the reason the regular .

pixel could go up is because you start getting to that next iteration of like five hundred right, or even two fifty maybe. So like five hundred feels like the lime of what these middle range lower and phones are, but like the pixel ones were under a thousand. And so they could bump that up to get to the thousand. They shouldn't IT well whatever they can do, whatever they want. This feels like if you go five forty nine, if you go five ninety nine on this.

that's crazy that to be on sale like a week right after IT comes out.

Yeah, I think that's bad.

Every year goes up by a little bit.

I bet it's going up again.

Please remember the pigs of four. A best valley phone ever, correct? Three.

forty nine. I gave everything. A, yeah, anyway. okay. So way you are gearing about picture a about test of driving.

Do you guys see the cyber truck is still the roll out of driving? Just want you to know, are you um I guess i'm in the early wave. I don't use autopilot that much, but I kind of want to see what happens.

Oh, I got to get a homer review the .

other day and .

almost thought seen quite .

a few recently.

Yeah.

there are out there. Was that there just trucks or the S. U. V?

There's a pick up ture because is the blue by me to the because I .

was recently reading a comparison of the homer S, U, V. To like the R, Y, S. And some other electric pickup trucks.

And I realized the hammer is only two rows. It's like pie, far the biggest one, but it's only two rose for some reason. I thought that was weird. Yeah chiana. Also, for those who might not see in the silao e review, um the serio pickup truck gets well over four hundred .

miles of range .

we got we added this .

is one where .

I was like.

is IT actually gonna this much range because everyone keeps selling me like all yeah the rivals fine and like the phone fifty lighting is fine, but just don't forget about silver to get four and fifty very serious. I do really things going to get them a range. But then IT comes out and we test IT.

The thing has a two hundred and five killed out our battery that is enormous, that is extremely heavy, just like the hammer. But the hammer is not era dynamic or trying to be efficient. It's got off road tires trying to be efficient and no intention of getting a ton of range. That has a thousand horse part, but the south to E V, not a sporty four hundred seventy five miles on the dash and like a very logical c like if we drive like a grandma, I can get four hundred thirty probably that's so really but that's really good yeah for but the only way they could do that was by having s six thousand and battery yeah .

so yeah yeah that's where read. Also, the reason we have been seeing way more hammer evs is because according to good car by car automated sales data, in twenty twenty two hammer sold eight hundred fifty four and twenty twenty three they sold three thousand, two hundred and sixty. And this year so far, they've sold eight thousand, nine hundred and three.

Why are people in some money air? They still expensive? What's going on? What is happening? They're taking off for some reason.

So how many just say were sold this year? Nine thousand? Nine thousand. Yeah that's also how many r one S S were sold this year year yeah ten thousand.

But is driving going down in sales.

Um no, that's yeah maybe a little. They saw twenty three thousand last year and maybe down a little, but in the last year, the year. So it's probably similar last year.

crazy. That is a lot of hammers. Why are people buying these? Who is buying these? Maybe for home battery ackers? If you are watching the dishes and just bought .

a hammer E V twit zero tweet.

that's wild.

Maybe one.

Well, shout out to the hammer and fishing. All right, Andrew, you won't explain this. Uh, redit.

I use David pry actually knows more about this than idea.

I saw something that you could be.

I don't feel answering .

the next three .

minutes is okay. Did IT OK what is happening?

right? I'll try to make this less boring.

It's not worth get angry.

You know that mean we're .

reflect .

the game sitting OK. okay.

So if you remember last year.

there was a big redit revolt because they basically made their A P I. Completely inaccessible because they made IT so expensive that no third party APP developers could really feasibly run a third party read client unless .

they charge for IT. What there's like one or two.

that's .

how .

I get IT, right? So OK, yeah, that's how Christ.

So can we like to go by .

pixel pals?

Because if cry i'm sorry about talking about all the things that have been taken yeah yeah OK um so that A P I change .

they got rid of all the third party apps because the official APP really sucks and has like it's just not good um there was a match of sight wide protests which included a bunch of sub retta tes taking their subjects its private because if you didn't know, red IT is run by a bunch of unpaid moderators of people who are just enthusiast about a topic and they are the ones that basically like a run the sub reddit, they moderate the best reits.

They like take inbox request in all this stuff. And so now that read IT ipad and is trying to make money back for its investors, he basically effectively cut off the API so I can like maintain all the users on its APP. Um kay, so red IT eventually won that war because obviously they just needed to wait IT out until either the red ads took over the inactive side redit or just close down the subjects. Usually they took over them.

You can't. You can't the reader IT. So as far .

as .

I know, probably all of them are open because he was down long enough and someone requested to take over, like read administers would do that, which is what happened to M, B, H, T is now.

And because, yeah, okay. So a way that separates were also protesting, but I was basically taking their to private, which is the thing that you can do where you have to be invited to be on the separate. It's a feature.

But by taking a private IT forces, anyone that's not invited to be part of the separately to not be able to see IT. So this british private, another thing that they were doing to protest was they were changing the separate from a safe, forever separate IT to a not safe work separate IT. And what that does is IT stops ads from being able to play on the subway because ad networks don't want their ads affiliated with not the content.

And I think IT also made IT. So like if you're in a log doubt stay IT won't show not if I were. So I believe won't show on the front a front page of bread something that's not curated inside of a user account, right?

yeah. So now what redit is doing is they are making IT so that if you either want to take take the sub private or you want to change IT to and not say for works, I read IT, you have to submit a request to read IT itself, and then they will approve or deny that request. So they are basically taking away as many possible ways for people to protest unread as possible.

Shocker, you know. And they have all this kind of hand way we think of. You could still protest by commenting.

You can so protest by giving us more traffic.

Yeah yeah which does nothing. Um yeah there are some little astraea says request that I will be automatically approved for separates that are smaller than five thousand members or less than thirty days old so technically .

you could protest .

if you don't matter yeah to the to this traffic .

IT just seems like a to red its traffic the fix for I mean.

it's basically completely stopping people from being will effectively protest on redit yeah I like in the way that they have in the .

past yeah yeah I wonder what would constitution they would proof on setting as a bit private? Like what would what would we have to do something .

for work content or no, that's a whole .

other switch.

So and you have to get that approved as well. Yeah so what's the approval process of that post like a bunch content .

on the page and then say how would how do we get private the M B H T party approved? We want to. How would we is there any good reason to not that I know if there's one .

thing I know about the red community, they will find .

a way to protest.

We should all move to dig. Let is dig down around .

um I mean everyone .

left dig for I know I was like such a this .

just that's .

a sad to take you .

back yeah .

I want to see in .

the state right .

next up microsoft discontinuing hollands two with no replacements you I see this and nobody was I know there .

was still making okay.

that's what I am talking about. But I think it's because hollow lens is all in .

the military .

contracts have a bunch of, I think that have turn of different contracts and IT actually is extremely popular and a lot of different enterprise situations. Um I I would argue their problem like microsoft n island's prior some of the best, i'm assuming best A R technologies out there because working on .

IT for so long, you would think they did in two thousand and sumption.

but I think they stated IT again later and there is two there was talk of a three coming up and now that's obviously .

not happening.

Like I think I think he was a part of the reason that was so enterprise focus as we they didn't have a good forming factor for uh, consumers. You know it's this so this big que IT looks a lot like the meter quest pro um or I keep thinking about, uh, magic leap. Did you know there is a second magic leap? I came out two years ago.

found that out recently.

found out looking up stuff in this yeah um yes but I think the main reason I want to bring this up as so there's stop. They they finished production of hollands do and they're not wrapping a backup. So any ones that are built now or the last one available, they will have update until december twenty, twenty seven. But with seeing arriving glasses and meta bin glasses and I guess not rabbit, but like these new snap spectacles, do we think microsoft is fully out of the A R game? Or do we think we're gonna see something under a different name that's focused on consumers?

I lean towards the second one. Me too. I lean.

And every time with microsoft, but you think it'd be done for them to set OpenAI? What i'm sorry. I I know, kay, I was thinking about something.

Do you think microsoft is going to just stop A R?

Oh, every few years microsoft makes a new A R thing that they like use a bunch of oe like lenovo and dell to create A R things for. And then they make paint 3d and continue paint three。 And I have, no, I have faith that they will make another consumer A R thing. And I also have faith that I will last .

a year and a half fair yeah.

I I go for the sell in viar. No, I didn't fair that microsoft is very enterprise focus. That was probably where they will continue to focus. I let me zoom out your question a little bit. Actually, I just watched clear abms interview with a much socket bird.

And one of the sort of larger topics of that conversation was that, like zc firmly believe that these A R glasses are the next generation computing platform like post smartphone. Do you think that that's possibly true? I hope that no.

because there's wearable.

A ito is. No.

you did that guy just say, like two years ago, that Normal V R headsets were like the next thing?

Yes, we have the tech to do a stuff and out there showing these prototypes. And I think I really want to try this prototype. I when I think about this idea, IT feels possible because, member, we did this video about, we have V, R.

headsets. We have snapshot glasses. yeah. And somewhere in the middle is this like V, R experience, where the whole computer, like, fits in the glasses and you can just see, see things project on your world and that's where they're both racing from both direction yeah the ray bends .

and the and the oculus yeah and if you give that tech to .

benefit that out just fast for the tech in your head, and let's say these glasses exist where you actually have like A R experience, could you go without your smart phone in this world? Is that actually the next thing? Or is this also in addition to your phone because I have a hard time picturing.

So the orion at least has a separate compute park. He does a um I could see this being a thing. I don't I just don't want IT to be a thing because I would prefer to know when people are not listening to me verses them just wearing glasses like this like facing and I just have no idea that they're like watching a tiktok that is the most this topic thing .

I ve ever that's a very fair point yeah which I mean IT seems like throwing away anything if you can tell .

and it's not as bad yeah. I I I that's why I think they're going away from hollow lens. But microsoft doesn't put six years, six or seven years into like A R A R technology and research development.

And I think not go a different right. I think if they were staying with them enterprise, they will keep the hollows and's name because it's super popular by I don't I think there's no way they just dig A R together. I feel like they're gonna. They have to .

release something new. I think they will because there is like is like high tide, low tide, right? There's a time for IT and then he has a nuclear winter and then there's a time for IT again and next. Make the time go up and down in thing yeah so yeah, I don't know. I think microsoft will see IT as an opportunity like, oh oh, maybe this time is the time is gonna do be the thing .

and then and then IT doesn't .

work and then they're like, well, we're an enterprise company. So we were trying to make for that prize and then try to converse, try to converse. Everyone is going to work for surprise and no one cares.

I got, you're so right. I just like when I was like in elementary school, I had a large attack web cam that had a features built in like, like very basic, like, oh, you're a dinosaur, you know, you mean and then IT went away. And then then intendo three D S, came out and there was the A R.

cards. And then no one cared to get. And then came back.

Yes, it's it's literally the sign way cosine or sign, I don't know. Ten.

did you guys see what these two harvard students did matter in glasses? Yes.

many bad. So what's the button?

these? These two students are for the bad. No bad, don't you? Thank you.

So these two harvard .

students took a pair of meter ravin glasses and essentially found a way to, like live ducks, people by, essentially, they take the glasses, they run IT to a live street on instagram. And then they have a computer set up that is scanning the instagram life feed video, facially recognizing people like recognizing a face, taking the face out of the video, and then using some sort of like A I to like reverse image search, IT through the web, and then send to your phone all the information can find my mind about a face that I just saw.

So is this video of these two kids like going around like a subway and essentially like walking up to people and being like, oh, are you baba do you have this like charity um in this country where you do stuff like this? Oh guys like yes um and there's one video, there's a video of them doing it's different people like the subway they've never met. They know like their names.

They know their relatives names. They know like different places and it's all based on public information because it's ending photos of people on mine and just using the correct like different ways they trained IT to search through faces on mine. Um one of the wildest st ones is there like on campus and they just go up to this girl like eating lunch and like do you live IT and she's like, yes, they're not releasing any of this. And the reason they said they made IT is because they want to show that like we all talk about this, destroy an future of like facial recognition and cameras everywhere and showing like that's not the future. This is total capable right now, which is kind of .

terrifying and yeah .

and this .

sounds like a proof .

concept of expected months you just ruined.

I think they are just yeah I mean, not wrong yeah I mean, yeah, a good point. Good point. But I do think they're just like trying to show that like devices you can get off the shelf today can do pretty good stuff like that.

A love shown for I thought you as I the way I fixate you were like, there are his harvard students and they got these glasses and then give you like reay the the footage from the glasses anywhere and then using image recognition, and I thought you were going to say, like something like, you know, gi, whatever could analyze the buildings around you and like, figure out where you are in space, like the meta A R ity.

Exactly which I thought, again, like this is the every tech has all this upside and and all this horrible downside that comes with that, which is like, you IT would be cool if I gear superpower. You could just look up at any building and I could just tell you where, what building IT is like, tell you what, landscaper, what history on your hand, what building well, probably that wouldn't work. But something like, yeah these air class tell you like what you you're walking to find your car that tells you with a little error over like way part a google glass yeah can be actually like pretty cool and useful. But the dark side of this is the the sharp after and you made, which is A H I can also just tell you anything about the people because the facial recognition, the public database about them yeah that so yeah like a cool super power to have would be to just look at someone and immediately know their name yeah exactly.

I that's that's the example that's been used hundreds of times is like, what if you just like didn't have to remember this stuff and you could always know people's names? But then when I was a kid, I was like, that's incredible and now i'm like, oh my god, you know what anyone to know why?

Yeah yeah.

It's like, it's funny though because they built this all with, like, nothing too far outside of the ordinary. They are obviously super talented and they found away for whatever program they built to watch the video, recognize what faces, pull screen shot of that face, and use that as an image search by all they did was like the very basic things that are allowed in.

Uh, the rabin glasses, like rabbit matter, has a privacy polity that says like respect people's preferences and urge you to clearly just sure your cat capturing video live streaming. But like what does that mean? Like please please tell people you're streaming like. I don't know there's so much bad that could come out of that. I an in the .

wrong ones ever used a meta product to do anything bad before OK guys, what's not .

going crazy? Yes, it's not like a cambridge alica didn't really happen like like .

mark political. But here we are political. But china has been doing this for like a decade plus C, C, T, V of the .

elf parts. This is the argument that people are making about the google image manipulation thing because it's the same thing. It's people are saying photoshop be able to do that forever.

The thing is it's not about the ability to do IT necessarily. It's about the accessibility of IT. I think that's the whole point of these glasses. It's like technically, yeah, you could set up your own security camera attached to your laptop that is constantly seeing and do the same thing.

The point is we are like now buying things off the shelf that could be easily modified to be able to do this that no one we would be able to notice because you're everyone's wearing them. I think that's the point that they were trying to make. Yeah they were .

closer than we.

Yeah and do you know what else starts with the T.

Now I am really bummed out previous I was, you know, this story bomb out so much, i'm not onna hit the .

back of .

that's a .

hard love to there. Uh.

correction, earlier this episode, I said that inside the T, V, C, R, T, T V was a gun that was wrong N N so i've .

been waiting .

for the chance to try. The words left my mouth and I felt a .

big dummy diet.

Anyway, David actually already ruined my trivia question, really this pisos. I had write another one that IT was about the hollow lands military contract.

So thanks, David.

L is defense. That was the answer, not the question.

What kind of things as we become?

It's because they cantle hollands two, but they specific earliest reports, the developing the earliest report indicated they did not cancel the military spect hollands, which is called the IT, has a very silly name. IT is called the integrated visual augmentation system. And IT looks terrify forward, the forward, the action.

Anyway, hollands two has a trim option, which is called the trimble X R ten. The hollow ends two. Trimble X R ten is a Normal hollends with what .

attach to a trimble.

the trimble X R term.

I guess it's .

right.

will out that .

you will find out what I guess at the very end 说 go go back。

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I welcome back two more quick things, one quicker than the other the pro camera APP Haley helali great start Angel the .

film .

new camera control features on top of with the new i've on sixteen .

camera control button quick up with OK click pop quiz .

raise your your hand in the room if you are using a sixteen gene iphone, okay, suggest David keep your hand raised if you use camera control more than once in the past two days. But des, to show people how I were besides to demo people and to open the camera besides to demo to people, I use IT to open camera every .

time you do with .

the action button, with the swipe on the thone screen. Ck screen, sure. cut. You can do IT a thousand different ways.

yeah. But now you can also sensing you guys .

don't like IT. It's not that I don't like IT, just it's not useful that much Better .

than using the screen of the phone.

I think one of the features because now you can control focus and exposure in how I I do think focus controls on that in video would probably be nicer than having your finger over the screen.

I still think I don't phone isn't big enough. I would rather use the enormous screen and only block part of IT.

cool. Next story.

Okay, I just okay, we talking about this for are another I will have in the future that we didn't the past. But I really think that this button is too complicated. It's too complicated.

David, saving for the future?

Alright, that's our teaser for the future episode. Yeah that we should on the past. Let's talk about IT.

Yeah well.

next segment and i'm going to open this up. This is not a add, but I might feel like a add products that we got recently that I myself and a lot of people in the studio have been thorough enjoying is the new line is precision screw driver. You guys, you guys have all played this, right? I play with o, yes.

what are .

bearing L, T, T teams into over few of these? And I can't believe how I impressed. I am by house. How much? A little screwdriver?

I've never used to disco anything in, but as a figure toy.

IT is impeccable. IT is they put a bober to explain the audience IT is a small school driver very similar to the I fix IT kit. We'll talk about that in a minute.

Um small precision school driver for smaller you know and tasks precision tasks that are unlike with the regular line screw driver vers, which are also used big like a lot yeah but not Normally in these small persistent screwdrivers. Do you have a bit compartment for IT when you pull the top? yes. But what they did specifically that is fantastic with this thing is they put a ball bearing in the little top that has the logo on IT, and this .

sucker rips IT does.

letting reber here that.

And and I will do that for about three minutes.

I think, at least six seconds.

Yeah.

really.

let's just all here in eight sixty seconds.

Well, and here an angle. So you would actually go longer IT straight out.

I just do yeah because .

it's because it's the bearing and trying to do that.

So yeah that's basically IT. That's why we like this .

year ever still disagree. Also, I just want say for every competition we've had a year, who can spend at the long as i've want every time, just .

really like wait .

can rip up fridge even harder.

I mean, okay, i'll just do a really quick breakdown of what this is for thirty dollars.

You get is thirty dollars.

That's I no, no driver IT is thirty dollars for just the screw driver with no bit. The reason they did that is because from what I heard, they match the bits with I fix a kid to like fit IT perfectly because they've already, you know, partner with I fixed a bunch. Is the hex .

buying one right now?

There is something, there is something very specific that they mentioned with how the bits fit were as like some screwdrivers measure the inside to the standard, with the measured the opening to the standard, where some the bits or measure to the standards. So if you have one of one and one of the other, IT won't fix because they'll be the same, want us to be bigger than us, to be smaller. And I think I fix its are a little different. So they actually matched ed, there's to fit with I fix IT. So if you have an, I fix a kit already, because a lot of L.

T, T fans, but you can for .

thirty dollars by this, and I can replace you. I fixed the screw driver because this does not be any, this is a great IT .

doesn't even if and .

IT does not have the compartment on the they also did a great job with the partner because is very nice mechanisms actuates and goes down it's yeah say that again.

If fix a kid, then you you just in you .

can put them in there.

but you like taking IT somewhere. You can put a couple inside your favorites. Yeah, like your booker.

If you only use five or six, you can keep just basically that I .

were doing this. I would probably keep the standard ones that are useful, like my computer builds. So I don't have to remember each time is IT, I don't believe so. Um no.

it's not really.

No, i'm A i'm a fan boy for .

the O G.

IT has a little bit compartment.

IT doesn't spin prety good. Yeah he does not yeah. Ah a lot of people also recommend an electric screw .

driver is a very specific one. All the keyboard people stick. I think there's something.

So it's like somewhere between like a drill and yes, analog screwdriver .

while sticks is a very popular an analog screw driver. And but so thirty dollars school driver, fifty dollars for the case with sixty bits. In terms of comparison, I fix from IT was sixty four bits is sixty four bit.

Sixty four bit is forty dollars but IT does also come with arguably best tool and all of these one hundred and fifty no ter bending exchange. This thing is awesome yeah um but I think it's super well Price. The case is great.

The whole build quality is great. Minus does a great job with other stuff. So orge, it's orange.

What's like a read and .

like paying an extra ten box because it's like a creator that you like and you're supporting them, I think is a super fair creator tax if you want to say that. But i'm sure this .

was IT is so nice .

I think there's different tops you can buy as well anyways all in here because I ve just feel like I like L I could um yeah it's great. Highly suggest IT I was some sure will try IT and I I think I want IT like we know the product is good when people come to our like medal table where we open things and like play with the new product.

These have been spent by every member in the studio multiple times and theyve been stolen to desks, uh, more often than I can count. And you hear people spinning them all day. So great job. L, T, D, team.

And what happened? A fidge spi.

i'm going to buy a fish.

this. instead. We have three. And yeah.

it's still sell them. Do you know what I saw? Interesting with the first of the other day, there's this really great um creator Grace wells. SHE does like a product videography like kind of like really good advertising stuff but he did IT on tiktok would be like I would buy x from you and then what do you like a whole close up mro kind of like r intro ads unlike a coconut or like something like a wall outlet um and the way he does a lot of the spinning shots is SHE just put IT on top of a fig spinner and spend IT on a table like .

is lazy season yeah and smart, I thought, was really because a ball bearing is so amazing in a big anyway, that's that's about IT for this week. We really run the game and we should probably rub IT up though with this other thing that starts with the tea collection m news trivia.

oh.

Telegram, um they .

gave the data .

to the cops. That's the news.

Yes, no.

that's .

staying because .

everyone should you signal so quick update on the cores markets with seventeen lag, ander and David tied with twenty one, twenty one one. So for question one, Christian selling maker of the red IT Apollo APP, has a youtube channel. His last video was about making a computer accessory, one of which is in his room right now, not the one he made, just like a version of that accessory. What's accessory did he build on his youtube? Gentle.

quite question he made .

from scratch. He made IT from scratch. Did made him from scratch? Like, scratch, scratch.

scratch. really?

Yeah, yeah. He was also.

I think, IT just a tech accessory.

You going to take this ninety second break going attention because it's been on my mind for like a week now about the child, the precision screw drive, thinking that I was on red IT as I go on sometimes don't really like that website, but someone made a red and post about buying a hammer for their concrete crew and they're like, what do you think of this hammer? And one of the comments was literally grow.

This is the ferri of hammers, and I lived IT up. And this hammer is in between two fifty and three hundred fifty dollars. And everyone in the comments is like, once you swing this hammer, you will know what being god feels like. So if anyone in the comments is a framer that has ever used a leto select trim bone series hammer, if you know what it's like to swing that hammer, let me know in the comments.

I want to feel that, oh, my career, you know, it's funny, is on the bonus episode when you brought you a keyboard, when I didn't bring my keyboard, when you didn't, you are when you talk about your work and you said sofa, anyone was thinking of buying the cord S P seventy thirty .

two keyboard s two, seventy three S P.

yeah, there is a comment that was like, bro, nobody's taking my.

But like I said, if you have some a ten, fourteen or fifteen hts trimble hammer made by stock to please let me know how I feels because .

I am curious you can only swing IT if you're worthy flip IT and read.

what do you we got? Okay.

I hope you are right OK.

We all said keyboard.

And I also .

do one correct .

technical.

I was icy. Boy.

oh my god, why I just give me to you with .

greater on blues at forty great activation point. All right, dammers.

I got one right. Has huge this branch else.

I think adam initially said, tech accessory, you said computer access to the second .

time helps me a lot.

I saw go up.

And because I was looking at computer x and I like Andrew said that showed up on his recommended .

so it's probably, yes, Christ, you just.

I know you I after this.

actually I didn't .

I think I found IT .

on twitter and didn't know.

We should just title this episode episode two, fifty three.

Christian, we just in as one of the people all right.

Question number two, hold lens two has a trim option called the trimble X R ten, which they standard hollends too with what attached to IT gotto be.

It's a tached to IT.

Maybe IT would be more fair to say that the holidays to is attached to IT, but yet they are attached .

and inseparable a rail gun.

That's what I really .

another IT is attached to me. Another another product that I think is like the god tear version of its class.

This is my .

favorite honor product.

The do you cook at home ever?

No, not like god tear product cry.

All right, the lampson brand spatch las, if you have never used all lampson brand spatulas do.

It's a sixty dollars spat.

IT seems not. Is a plastic.

I have a .

killer pepper grah, right?

All right. It's good answers can see. So what do you go first?

I wrote.

battery no.

chair.

no, that's you connect the chair.

adding some chair that the holds is attached to. And no, like extra. I like a forty experience.

I like forty.

I wrote full of view extender.

What is that like?

okay. So the hollands doesn't have a particularly wide field of view and only has like a certain area and sent to had X, R in the name I was kind of inking that had something reality. yes.

No.

is a hard hat.

First .

construction .

sites.

That's an excess. That was the X R ten. That was the .

trimble X R.

It's not an accessory. It's a trim option. If you go to my, if you go to myself, that com hit hollow ends to.

The first one that comes up is hollends to. The second one that comes up is hollands to industrial edition, which is made for people who are clean suits. And the third option is the trimble xr time with hollie s. two.

So you can buy ways that built into the hard .

hat ah all the listings that I could see made IT seem like that but perhaps IT is just a specially sized one, but IT looks like it's part .

of the heart hat like real tech logy. Here, i'll send you back on the page.

Oh, you're on the page. Yeah, yeah.

These spats look. And if they are full time, there are the whole page.

They're not sharp enough to like, cut your cellphone, but they have a really sharp edge. So when you're cooking in a stainless or a castle, you can get under something and pick all of that up and leave all the fund.

It's like I think they're like the best part about stuff like this in high quality kitchen utensils is like going full time and having the baLance of like the handle .

and IT cooking feels different with lamson. Yeah um and that was not sponsored either. I just love .

your my pepper mills by uncorded mills just saying it's sixty box. What is not yeah you should .

about the same .

it's not wooden. But so there are .

two different types of way form listeners when that love IT when we go .

on tenants.

and some that hate. Sorry.

your welcome x ten is made by .

trimble are watching, attached to kes were listening. Uh, this has been an exciting return to your regularly scheduled uploads. But of course, we have much more for the rest of this year.

Twenty twenty four, I already know this, that time, years, lot of exciting stuff you to stay tuned. Thanks for describing. Thanks for rating .

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