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All right, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And Adam and Ellis are here, but...

They may be replaced by AI soon, so just say hi to them at least one more time. While you can. We'll have a story about that. We'll figure out if that's real or not. Hi, Adam. Hi, Adam. Hi, Alice. Hi, Alice. Bye. Bye, guys. Bye, Adam. Bye, Alice. We also have two more wildly overdue tech features. This seems to be a theme. But also the Lucid SUV, a little bit of a quick thoughts on seeing that start to get teased.

And then, of course, we have the shoe launch to talk about. Sort of just the experience of being on the other side of where I normally am, which is embargo happens, I publish my review, all the other reviews come out, and product managers are starting to freak out because of all the reviews.

This time, I am the product manager and all the reviews come out at the same time, or at least all of the people's thoughts on the thing that I made. And it's just a very different feeling. So we'll talk about that. First, though, we have Galaxy S24 rumors. This one is actually interesting because it's whenever we talk about batteries, it's always incremental. I've said this a thousand times, but what was a good battery life in a phone 10 years ago?

Like, oh, all day would be pretty nice. Now what's a good battery life in a phone in 2023? All day would be nice. But the phones do so much more that it's like I think we forget or we don't really appreciate how much better batteries have gotten where now we have literally 5,000 milliampere batteries in pocket-sized phones. And that was unheard of a long time ago. So this new rumor is Galaxy S24 may use a new stacked battery technology that's borrowed from EVs.

which may give us maybe a 10% improvement in battery density, which again is just incremental. 10% is 10%. But again, going from 5,500 to 6,000 milliamp hours is more battery for us. So I'll take it. So that's kind of cool to see. It's at the point where like batteries are big enough that a 10% on,

on number wise like going from 5000 to 5500 is like legitimately something that's pretty decent yeah like like tech nerds online will be like 5500 is way better than like that's a good number yeah like smart watches often have like a 170 million power battery yeah so like 10% of that's gonna feel like look like nothing but like you

Yeah, we're at the point now where 10% is a solid chunk. And then phone screens and processors are getting more efficient. So you add 10% more battery, all of that with more efficient components and stuff.

maybe you'll get all day plus a half day. That is kind of nice. Some phones are capable of that. It's kind of just like we smartphones are so capable that I am much more appreciate the efficiency gains than the peak power gains because like a phone can do everything that I want it to. And in those crazy extreme scenarios of like maxing out frame rates in certain games, peak

People love the benchmarks and like oh, let me see three more five more FPS cool But I want to see like snapdragon agent to having better standby time Being able to throttle down faster when it knows it can LTPO display is going all the way down to one Hertz like I want to I want my phone to last Yeah, even though it's super powerful. So yeah, give me more battery. That sounds great Yeah, and just clarify this is different than like the one plus two separate batteries that are like

Just to increase charging, this is actually the way the battery cells are stacked inside of the battery. So you're getting 10% more battery out of the same size. I do wonder, though, do we think that necessarily means going the 10% more or leaving more room for components or smaller sizes of phones, bigger batteries and so on?

Bigger phones and smaller batteries? Well, it's supposed to potentially come out in the S24 Ultra first, which I doubt they will make smaller. Did it? Or battery. It said that, right? Or a bigger camera module. Yeah. That's true. Who doesn't need five more macro cameras? I mean, the S24 Ultra, I could see them going with a 1.0 type sensor finally. So if that's the case, then they are going to need more room for that anyway. Yeah. For some reason...

As much as I would like the 10% more battery capacity, I feel like we're just going to get same battery capacity batteries.

something else in it. Yeah, that's often what they do when they come up with these new improvements. They're like, we're not making it better, but... Yeah, we use that extra room to put in a better haptic motor and more cooling and a little bit extra something, something else. Bigger cameras. More decks. Yeah. It is funny in product decisions, so now I'm thinking like a product manager because we just did this whole shoe thing. Every product is just a culmination of...

trade-offs basically so you can decide to just use that improved technology to have more battery in your phone but also batteries are these really complex things that require insulation and cooling and you also have to think about charging speed and if they charge faster then they take up more space because of the cooling required to charge faster

And so do you use that improved density to have the same size battery but that charges faster and takes up a little more space? Or if you're Samsung and you're like 45 watts is okay, we don't really feel like chasing 100, 200 watts of Xiaomi or whatever, we'll keep it 45 watts but we'll use extra density for more capacity instead. There's a ton of choices you can make. And at the end of the day, we'll get the phone and we'll review the choices they made, but

yeah, I think I'll take 10% more battery. I just want capacity. I just want phones to last longer. I agree with you. Like you said, like our phones still do so many things. They're already fast enough. They're already doing all this stuff. Just like make it last longer. I mean, and take this technology and then also like we've

We've talked about being okay with phones being a little thicker to go up to the camera bump, please. So now add that extra battery plus being able to jam more battery into it. We could be looking at six, 7,000 milliamp hour batteries. Like the Xiaomi 13 Ultra. I was going to bring up that design. Yeah. Do you have it with you? I don't. Should I grab it? Grab it. Okay. I'll be right back. I have not seen it yet. Yeah. Let me show you. One eternity later.

- Whoa. - Whoa, I got it. - Ellis thought you actually fell. - Here's the phone. Okay, the Xiaomi 13 Ultra has this shape. You're gonna talk about it. It's kind of like two levels of thickness. - Exactly, so for the audio listeners, it's not just like a flat back on the back. You know how the Galaxy S21

had that sort of like smooth granular lift to get up to the camera bump. This does sort of the same thing, but then there's also the camera bump. But the reason is because it has a 1.0 type sensor, so they need to have a bigger image circle to project onto the sensor. And so you've got this like lip that's on top of the actual back of the phone. It's the entire top half of the phone. Yeah. So my thing is like if you're going to do stacked batteries, then you don't even have to do this lip. You can just make it slightly thicker. Oh, true.

Yeah, which I mean, I think it's cool how it looks. But if they're just like they can make the phone thicker, people are not. It is interesting. Like, I do think they could just keep that the whole way out. My guess is their their reasoning for this is underneath that lip. It's thinner, which is mostly where your fingers are. So it still feels like a thinner phone, although that still looks like a thick phone.

it is a thick so here's a here's a sort of a thought like remember when we had that era of like phones getting thinner and thinner and thinner yeah and that moto z came out oh my gosh it was like four minutes and there was a little bit of magic to them going on stage and being like look at how razor thin this gadget is we're clearly trending towards like these impossibly thin devices

And there was a little bit of magic to like how impressive that was. But like, what's the use? But there is no use. It's just aesthetic. And I think that we kind of realized that there is a point of diminishing interest in how thin a phone can be. And we got to it. It's like, if it fits in my hand and it's not weirdly weighted and top heavy, it's thin enough. Yeah. I'm not like going around waving around my phone like, look how thin it is. So it's fine. I do feel like the Asus ROG phones are a little thick for most people. Yeah. But they do have 6,000 million power batteries. And I mean, it,

They probably only feel thick because regular phones are thinner. So if we start getting people more used to slightly thicker and thicker phones, like if Apple ever actually released that iPhone for 15 Ultra, which is not going to happen. But if they did and they made it thicker because I had better battery and more rugged and whatever, I feel like people would start to adapt to phones being thicker in general. I mean, I even think some of the last couple generations of iPhones feel a bit thicker just because of the squared off edges. So like Apple,

People are clearly okay with that. Imagine now Apple goes back to having curved edges, but they're the same radius of the squared off edges now, but then the back is just a little bigger and it has a bigger battery. It would feel exactly the same. You're literally going to have to do that if you keep making bigger sensors anyway. It's going to be a thing where you're going to have to either have a bump or you could just add more battery capacity. So at this point, just add the battery capacity. This 13 Ultra has a 5,000 mAh battery.

It's great. It's a really good phone and a really good display and really good cameras and all that. It all fits in the phone. But if they stacked it, it could be $6,000. They could probably fit like $5,500. The more you look at it, the more interesting it is. There's so many extra lines going on here. Yeah. Like even all the way down to the non-stacked edge, the thinner part. We'll get some B-roll in there for those of you who are like, what are you talking about? Yeah, audio listeners, it's a pretty aesthetically good looking phone. I like it a lot. It's very different. It is literally top-heavy when you hold it.

The 12 Ultra was also really pretty, so I'm glad that they kept up with that. The 12 Ultra was a unique looking phone. I wouldn't say pretty. It was pretty brutalist, wasn't it? Am I picturing the same phone? I think you're thinking of a different phone. Holy moly, this gets too much light. Oh, the 12S Ultra. I'm thinking of the 11 Ultra. Yeah, you're thinking of the 11 Ultra. That one was ugly. Yeah, the 11 Ultra was this square...

yeah the lights on the back of the yeah that one that was a situation pretty okay the 12 volt tray yeah it's better looking i like how 3.2 x is the second lens it's not just 3x it's 3.2 very specific yeah okay we're a little off track but uh wow this gets so much light that it's actually overexposed that does not happen very often on phones yeah crazy i mean we're in a

Very well-lit podcast studio. Yeah. I'm going to steal this after we review it just so you know. Okay. Be careful. All right. So, yeah, I'm hoping S24 Ultra gets a battery bump. The stack battery tech seems like pretty cool. Also, the fact that it comes from EVs, like EVs, the number one thing we're trying to do with those is get better range, more capacity. That's where the development and the front lines of like battery chemistry is happening a lot. So we love to see it. Yeah, this is used in the Audi e-tron Q8.

I think it's out. Starting at 74K. Oh, I've seen that. So that's a 285 mile range, so...

That's not great. It's not great. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're good at converting battery to range. I could rant for a long time about that. It does have a 114 kilowatt hour battery, which I think is, I'm not good at battery hours on EVs. That's a fairly large battery. That's fairly large. There's like three main factors when it comes to like determining how good your range will be. One is literally how big of a battery cell can you fit in? Like how much density can you fit? Which the answer is 114 for this one. Two is how well can you convert that energy to driving power?

know drivetrain efficiency electric drive chains are pretty efficient but it's still variable and three is uh how aerodynamically efficient and just space efficient can your car be so if you build a new ev from the ground up you can generally fit a larger battery and and go further on a charge where if you just put a battery into a car that's built to be a gas car you won't be able to fit as much battery in there yeah so all these things combine

I'm sure Audi is somewhere in the middle on that spectrum. But yeah, we see a lot of that. I'll save that rant for another day. But yeah, we also have a little bit of AI podcast editing to talk about. I think I showed, you guys both saw me post this on Slack the other day, right? The AI podcast editing tool. I was probably in Iceland. It was last night.

I was probably asleep. It was probably your birthday. Wow. I forgot to mention that. Everyone wish David a happy birthday. I'm basically dust now. That makes me feel terrible. But...

So it's like, I'll explain it to David and the listeners because Adam and Ellis definitely both saw this. We are very aware. There's this new tool called Autopod, which is an Adobe Premiere plugin. And it can essentially... That name is threatening. It's pretty, it's very threatening and it's very accurate because you can take your Adobe timeline, sync each separate camera for like a podcast with audio. And once it's synced,

You open up the plugin, label each voice, and then it'll essentially go through the entire timeline and cut to whichever camera is currently talking. I'm honestly surprised that wasn't already a thing. Because that doesn't seem like that's that advanced of a new AI feature. It strikes me as something that could get built into Premiere tomorrow if they started working on it. Yeah. And so it can...

change the camera cuts and then not only do that if it senses more than one person talking and you have a wide angle it'll switch to the wide and just auto cut the whole thing so even if it's not perfect like

Losing that and just getting to run it all, watch it, make small adjustments here and there. That seems pretty wild. We should definitely try it. I do wonder if it actually saves time based on Adobe exporting times afterwards. Are you actually getting any faster because you're waiting 10 times longer for an Adobe export? I mean, if it makes Adam be able to do his job that much faster, then we can just make more stuff. It'll be way faster because I'll be unemployed. Yeah.

We make all these jokes, but that's obviously not going to happen. Yeah, Adam, it's called Fun Employed. Adam, way too much. We already did a human skill versus AI thing, remember? Yes. We had Tim go up against Dolly. And that was early Dolly. And early Dolly. Speaking of, we are going to be doing something like that soon with a different AI plugin. Ellis is currently working on a video right now, right? Yeah, definitely.

Should we spoil that? Or just don't spoil too much. Tease the concept. Here's what I'll say is the initial draft of the video was going to be Ellis versus AI as far as like audio restoration and cleanup and stuff. And I got started writing it. I started playing with the tools and

And I've already lost. We've put out three videos now that I did with AI and no one even said anything or noticed. So I don't know if the competition... We're still doing the video. The video is chugging along. The script's almost done. But it's not going to be the... I'm not going to go head-to-head like Tim did. It's really interesting. It's also because the...

how perceivable the result is, is very different based on the medium. Yeah. Like Tim is creating an entire new image from scratch and it's very visual and you get to look at this thing that Dolly made and that Tim made where if we're just tweaking or editing the way something sounds to a lot of people, that's more subtle. And so it could pass more easily. And I,

And I could probably point out and be like, oh, did you hear that? See that? That's the AI. But I think-- I mean, it's proven. We get tens of thousands of comments on every video. And no one was like, this sounds different.

- I mean, that is a good test. I think that's kind of what we did. Mariah probably edited like three main channel videos before, 'cause we don't announce new hires for three months. I think she had three full videos on the channel and not a single person noticed an editing difference. And that is like the perfect test to be like, wow, this worked really well. - I do wanna say Adobe,

If you're listening, I'm looking dead into the camera. If you're listening, give me access to Adobe podcast. I've signed up for the wait list on every email I have. I'm out of emails. Just, just give me it. Just make more emails. We need to try it. We definitely need to try it. Yeah. I'm trying to make this video.

- Dog. - Dog. - Well, between Autopod and this audio editing stuff, if you are a white male in your 30s and you're sad that you don't have a podcast like all your friends do, don't worry, man. It's gonna get real easy real soon. - I just saw a really great tweet. I wanna find it. Because we keep talking about how AI tools are borderline replacing humans.

And then here's this video that I believe was created entirely from AI. It's a pizza commercial. Oh, no. And it's written by AI, voiced by AI, and video by AI. Is the text by AI?

Everything. The text, the whole video is by AI. As far as I can tell. It feels that way anyway. And the caption is, AI is now indistinguishable from reality. It's hard to believe, but this ad was AI generated. It's not real. The future is here. I'm going to play it for you guys. Oh, God. It already looks like the Will Smith eating spaghetti. Yeah. The guy's eyes are just dead. Are you ready for best pizza of life? Bring friends down to Pepperoni Hug Spot. Oh, God.

Our chefs make pizza with heart and special touch. That guy's arm was on fire. Pepperoni, vegetable, and more secret things. Need delivery? Pizzas come fast. Knock, knock. Who's there? Pizza magic. Eat pepperoni hudspot pizza. Your tummy say thank you. Your mouth say mmm. It's a pizza hud building. It's the pizza hud font.

It's like Family Book with more cheese. I do like that as a tagline. Are you ready for Bette's Pizza of Life? It's pretty hilarious. Wait, what was the name of it? Pepperoni Hugspot? Yes, that's a band name right there. That's a jam band in Brooklyn. Pepperoni Hugspot. We'll put this one in the show notes. But the idea is

Yeah, the AI tools aren't like full on replacing people at what people do. But as far as helping people do what people do, they're really good. Yeah, ultimately, we make the joke about like taking over Adam and Elsa's job, but it ultimately just makes it way easier. And then there's more stuff we can do with the free time. I could just tell jokes like what did one dinner plate say to the other dinner plate? What? What? Dinner is on me. That's pretty good.

Can I ask you guys an AI question? I'm just out of curiosity. So I've been using ChatGPT for a lot of researchy, assistenty sort of business. I've been running into this problem lately where I ask it a question and it responds very confidently like, "Yep, that's the answer." And then I say, "Hey, can you send me your sources for that?" Well, it'll send me links and they're all broken.

Oh. Like all of them, all the time. So they're generated links? Yeah, it's not like I can never even find the correct link. It's almost like it's making up URLs. That's possible. It probably is. Like you click the link and it goes to... I get 404'd on the Verge's website. And then if you put the keywords in the URL in the Verge's search box, nothing comes up. There's nothing on Wayback Machine. Are you using ChatGBT? Indeed. Yeah, if you were using Bing, it would cite sources. ChatGBT does not have the ability to cite sources. Because when I use...

Guess I should use Bing then because when I tried it with Bard Bard was just like I'm not giving you sources It was just like no, sorry, I've only gotten Bard to give me a source once Yeah, very few times as Bard give me and that's when it chooses to get their whole thing was to post sources Being is our single time you do a Bing search. It gives you three plus sources. It does not have that No, it always offers to Google search

Whatever your query was and rate positively or negatively the response you got but it very rarely actually decides to sometimes give you a source yet to randomly I've gotten it once well guys, I'm I'm downloading Microsoft edge. It's happening. Yeah that happened to me too. I I honestly you should Happen

Yeah, you should be really careful for what you like for information and fact based things.

don't trust it. No, I know. I was hoping it would just sort of like point me in the right direction, you know, and like scrape the internet for like the one. Use Bing. Use Bing. Well, do I need to have Edge? Yeah. Right now, yeah. For the chat feature, yeah. Yeah. It happened to me too. It'll happen to you. Do you know where your kids are? They're on Microsoft Edge. Oh, God. Jimmy! Jimmy!

That's too many toolbars. Okay. Speaking of things that happened way too late, this is kind of a theme. Remember last week we had, what would you phrase it as? It was the most overdue tech feature ever. And it was print screen being the snippet tool. I love that you printed out your mom's text. Mariah printed it out for me. That's so funny.

This year, this week, we have an even more overdue tech feature. Yes, I think so. Two of them, actually. Two. That are legitimately a decade after they should have happened. I'm not exaggerating. When I say a decade, I mean actually 10 years after they should have happened. Yeah. The first one. At least. The first one. Google Authenticator adding Sync.

Now, just for those of you who don't know, who aren't aware of how bad, good but bad Google Authenticator is, lots of waves of please use an Authenticator app have happened over the Internet's history where you realize, oh, SMS two-factor is better than not two-factor, but really easily sort of hackable, socially engineered. You can kind of get through that. And so we recommend you use an Authenticator app.

And for years, I've used Google Authenticator. And the problem with Google Authenticator is you can only sign into your Google Authenticator app with your Google account on one phone at a time. The worst possible thing ever for tech reviewers. Not bad for regular people, but if you're a tech reviewer who uses maybe two phones during the course of the year, and you accidentally stop using one phone and...

you can't log into your accounts it's a pretty big it's also terrible for regular people because when you upgrade your phone if you forget to de-authenticate it or if you break your phone or if you break your phone or lose your phone yeah yeah i've heard of a lot of people who like lost their phone or broke their phone and it was just like whelp yeah gg you just lost every account that you had that was supposed to be authenticated through google authenticate hi it me that happened

Adam no longer ever has access to Uber ever again. Yeah. So they I think I genuinely believe that there's like someone who runs some department at Google who just forgot that they had an authenticator app and they just went, oh, yeah.

We have an Authenticator app. They sent the feature code in for review and just like forgot to review it and found it on their like old desktop folder on their computer. Like, I was supposed to push this 10 years ago. They like opened up an old laptop like, oh yeah, I had a feature thing I was going to work on. And now Google Authenticator has added Sync.

So you can sign in to Google Authenticator from your Google account on more than one device at the same time. And I just want to note, not just 10 years. Google Authenticator was created September 20th, 2010. 13 years. That's a long time. You know when Android was made? 2008? Yeah.

Not very close. 2008, 2009? What? So this is legitimately one of the most overdue features ever. I actually switched to Authy because I got so tired of not having the ability to just open whatever phone and log in. And so Google, you're just a little too late, just a little too late to have me keep using it.

but you're probably like literally a decade too late for a lot of other people. As a moron who doesn't like change, I'm still using it. So this will be paid off for me. It'll be great. It'll be much safer for you. You can drop your phone in the toilet and not get logged out of every account you own, which is great. So that's the one, Google Authenticator adding sync. The other...

is WhatsApp, renowned crowd favorite WhatsApp, now supports... Do you use it? I do use WhatsApp on one phone because I have some contacts that use WhatsApp. It now supports multi-device login. I'm going to scoot over so David could have the whole camera for this one. Again, picture this, picture this. If you logged into WhatsApp on one phone...

And then you, let's say, had another phone. You couldn't log in to WhatsApp on that phone without booting yourself out of WhatsApp on the other phone. Yeah. One at a time. You miss. And then also you have to back up all of your chats. Yeah. Or they disappear. Or they disappear. So if you don't back it up to your Google Drive, because it's not even through your WhatsApp account that it gets backed up. It gets backed up to Google Drive.

then you have to download all of your WhatsApp messages onto your new device. And it was single device only plus one web browser or something. MARK MANDEL: And that didn't work if you were switching ecosystems. So if you were going from Android to iOS, you just lost it. MARK MANDEL: I think they just made it start working for Android. Yeah, recently. MARK MANDEL: Yeah, so recently, WhatsApp's been adding a lot of features that they should have had a long time ago.

But I just gotta say, it is the most frustrating thing for me in the universe that WhatsApp has become the de facto messaging app for the planet. Is it just because it's a bad app? It's many things. It's bad. It's many things. It's really bad. Yeah. Number one. Wait, can I pause you right there? This is gonna be the most engaged podcast we've...

I know dumping on WhatsApp, making fun of Microsoft edge. I can read all the comments or not even at the first. I'm just like, if you've ever used a, a separate messaging client like telegram that is like insanely feature rich works on as many devices as possible. Sinks well, like has a desktop client and a web client.

The thing, I mean, specifically for tech reviewers, WhatsApp was extremely terrible because you would switch phones and you would forget to back up your chats and then you would just lose everything. We actually, a couple of years ago, like a bunch of tech reviewers, we all had this like thing where we told all the PR people, hey, we're not using WhatsApp anymore because we keep losing all our messages. We're on Telegram now. If you want to contact us, go to Telegram. And it actually worked. Nice. So I have a lot of people on Telegram now. So join Telegram. That's great.

But okay. So number one was that it's bad, right? Number two, it's owned by Meta. Like,

Come on. Small detail. It's it's yeah, I so I use obviously a bunch of different phones during the year, which is not normal. But I have an Android phone in my right pocket and iPhone in my left pocket. And as we know, I found Android phones like we go through a lot of them as we review them when we switch our whole life over to them. And it would be incredibly annoying to refresh my entire WhatsApp history every time I review new Android phone.

So I keep WhatsApp on my iPhone because at least that phone's in my pocket for a whole year before I test the next iPhone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, every new iPhone just have to go through this whole process. And I didn't back it up. I lost my chats every time. Because I just like get the new phone, set it up, and it just...

sign into everything. So I sign into WhatsApp and it's fresh and then the other one goes bye and then it just loses everything. So these are overdue features. I would say on a scale of the most overdue Google Authenticator is probably at the top of the list. Then probably a toss up between Print Screen and WhatsApp. I feel like Print Screen might be longer overdue but

but I just can't believe what's app. Windows shift S was there the whole time. I'm just a moron. So maybe the WhatsApp is a more important. I think WhatsApp is the more important feature. Yeah. And it's up to four devices. So that's at least better. Better. I fully understand that this is a much bigger problem for like tech reviewers who switch phones a lot. Yes. But still. And it's just a, it's a, it's a numbers thing. The amount of people that,

have everyone else on WhatsApp have everyone else on WhatsApp and that's just the thing. It's just the way it is. Yeah. So anyway get off WhatsApp get your family off WhatsApp. Good luck. You're not going to that's okay. It's going to take way more everything you thought and you're just going to end up using WhatsApp anyway. I know. Sorry. Yeah. I just use SMS. Just use RCS. Oh dear.

And that's where we'll take a break. We'll take a break. We'll do a trivia question. Just use WhatsApp. And we'll, we'll be back after that, but let's do some trivia. Back in person for some trivia. You missed the lights, didn't you? I did. Okay. All right. To make myself even more irrelevant, uh, chat GPT wrote this question. Wait, that means the answer is not. No, I fact checked it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um, uh,

Let me rephrase that. ChatGBT wrote this question, and then I rewrote it to make it, you know, in my fun game show personality. That's the synergy we need with AI. Thank you. In 1994, IBM combined the PDA and the mobile phone into one device, creating what is widely considered to be the first smartphone.

On top of having a 4.7-inch touchscreen, it also had email, fax, and pager capabilities. What was the name of this device? Fax? That threw me off. 1994 is crazy, but fax. No, no, no, 94. 94, yeah. Oh, I thought you said 84. 94 is a long time ago. Yeah. All right, and with that, we're going to break. ♪

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All right, we're back. Let's talk about an EV. Well, it's a bit of a tease of an EV.

It's the Lucid Gravity SUV. We were just talking to Andrew about the stealth wrap that they put on these things when they're like teasing it, but they don't want to show you what it looks like yet. So they wrap it in like a stealth wrap. And the idea is to mask some of the lines and the new things. So when we saw the new Tesla facelift, for example, they'd actually wrap up the front and the back. So you don't see what's new, but you know, they're testing something new. This one is just like, they're rolling around with testing. It literally says like, follow us, Lucid Motors on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. Uh,

We kind of know that they're working on an SUV. Yeah, so we knew they were working on an SUV and Lucid came out and said you might start seeing some of their testing because they're on public roads testing it now. And these are some spy shots, whatever you want to call them. Someone caught it on a road. It looks like a very rural road somewhere. I thought they also posted like a whole teaser. Maybe this is that then. Yeah.

It looks very spy shoddy, though, because they're not great photos and they're kind of tilted. But but yeah, the wrap on it is really not hiding any lines and has a big follow us at Lucid Motors with like a Facebook page and a Twitter page. But I first thoughts on this. I think it looks really good.

from these photos. - Yeah, it really looks like a taller Lucid Air. I mean, the Air had an aesthetic already, which was very squat, and now it looks tall, and it looks more natural to be taller like an SUV. - Yeah, and I think if you haven't seen this photo yet, but you know what the Lucid Air looks like,

that's a great way to describe it. But once I saw this, I more want to say that the Lucid Air looks like a squished version of the Lucid Gravity because I think the Lucid Gravity looks way better. Like, I think Lucid's design style fits better in this taller SUV form factor than the smaller. What do you guys think, like,

We've talked about the Lucid Air. I love it. He says it's the worst design car like in the world. He absolutely hates it. I think it looks good. I dig it. I think it was wrong. Different for sure. The air. We can make fun of it when he's not in

not in the room with us. The air is, it can grow on you. It definitely doesn't look like other EVs. I don't love the two-tone and some of their colorways are pretty Buick, you know, like beige, old school. I think of the like Sebring with the like soft top convertible. Yeah, I think they're trying to be more like Maybach two-tone and like iconic in their own way, but EV. Yeah.

So, you know, it's unique. I agree. I think this taller version looks better as an SUV. I just know it's going to be expensive because it's elusive, and this is what they do. So, like, if you just take the equivalent Tesla Model S...

Every Lucid Air that matches is like 30% more expensive. So actually even more. Right now a Plaid is $105,000 and a GT Performance is $180,000. And the Sapphire that's not even out yet is $250,000. So if you're going to compare this to a Model X...

Which is like 10, 15K more than the Model S. You're thinking this is 190? It's a base. Maybe. I mean, if they're smart, it won't be 190, but it probably will be easy in the six figures for the base version of this thing. Crazy. But it will probably be really, really firm. It will probably be really well made. It will probably be really fast and will probably have lots of storage because Lucid did that really well with the cars. Yeah, true. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think this is going to, I think it looks great from this. The one thing that worries me, since there is a wrap around it, how glossy like the quote unquote grill might be. It does look like there's a little lip in there. So maybe the whole front trunk pops up. Do you know how like the Ford F-150 versus the Rivian front trunk? Yeah. Is like a... Way deeper. It's deeper. It's not just that it's deeper. It's that the front access to it, like the Rivian, you have to go up and over a lip. It's like a tub. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Like a big tub you look down in. And then the F-150, the hood goes between the lights. So when it picks up, there's like a slot into it. Like a shelf. This looks like that might kind of be like that between the lights. Maybe that's where the trunk picks up. But there's also another line. So maybe just not at all. The headlights look pretty good on this, too. I think the headlights look so good, man.

It looks way better in this than like smushed down in the sedan style. I think the reason they're making this is pretty obvious. These sell more. Like there's a famous Lamborghini story where like they're selling a couple hundred cars a year and then they come out with the Urus, which is an SUV. And then America goes, oh, finally, I can buy a Lamborghini and not be

Lacking back seats, and that thing basically kept their business afloat. The Urus is the most common thing they sell. If you look at Porsche sales numbers, I'm sure the Cayenne and the Macan are probably half their sales. That's how they make their money in the U.S. So Lucid, notoriously struggling to make money, selling very, very expensive cars. If they want to make some more money and stay afloat, they should at least offer an SUV.

And America can decide if they want to buy this one too or not. I mean, yeah, Americans love giant cars. If you can't absolutely destroy something walking through a crosswalk, we don't really want it. So like Luce is on the right track. I was just going to say when I was in Iceland last week, I saw one total F-150. Yeah. And when I was in Texas, I saw one every minute. Yeah. Yeah.

There are a lot of Jeeps there and there's like a lot of off-road vehicles, but F-150s are like very American. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, a lot of like off-roadish vehicles and then a lot of really tiny cars like Citroens. Well, yeah. And Iceland, like a lot of people doing it, there's all those different travel agencies where you rent like some sort of semi off-roading thing to drive around and go into all the different. I rented a Jeep and got it stuck in the mud. Nice. That's pretty classic though. That's what you got to do with a Jeep. Yeah.

Exactly. Did you guys see the Lucid car play video that I tweeted? Yeah. So there's this video, if you haven't seen it, of, we mentioned this in a previous episode, but Lucid finally caved and added wireless car play to the Lucid Air.

And if you do enable it, it's like this little square cutout on the second screen. And it's just boom. You got CarPlay on this little window on the screen. And the reason that's weird is because the second screen in the Lucid is like a flat 90 degree on one side. And then the other side curves down almost like a dolphin fin on its side. So for the longest time, Lucid did not offer Android Auto or CarPlay. It's their own software. They tried to do everything. Navigation, car features, charging, all that stuff. And, you know, people keep...

asking for CarPlay so they finally caved and did it. Partially probably because they're a little desperate. Well, because 80% of people wouldn't buy a car without CarPlay. Clearly, yes. This is the, everyone knows. 80%. It's a fact of life. 80%. And you look at this video and there is a reason why, but it is crazy.

unbelievably ugly. It's so slow, first of all, because it turns out there's a bug with CarPlay where if you're recording video with your iPhone and that iPhone is also casting for wireless CarPlay, it will perform terribly. So as he goes through the menu, it's just like stuttering and slow because he's recording on the iPhone that's using CarPlay. But even just looking at it... That's not fair. I didn't realize that. That's a problem with CarPlay, but that's just also like... It's just bad. I guess. That scenario...

It should never really be happening, though. Recording video on the phone that's sending CarPlay. You should be able to do that, I think. Is that a hot take? Hand your iPhone to your passenger? Okay, I'm glad you said that part. He should be able to take a video. I feel like it's... Or a picture.

you're driving past something like niagara falls you're like oh my man like take a picture uh we're gonna set the next navigation point real quick but take a video of niagara falls as we pass by and suddenly your car play is like crawling to a halt oh that just happens that's just the way it is i think it should be hot take the iphone powerful enough to fix that i think i should be able to film other people while i'm driving yeah your phone should be whatever but the idea i'm just looking at this video i'm just like

the way they cut this window into that like arc to display is just like it's such a it looks like an afterthought for sure and it just reminded me again why I don't think car companies are very good at making software yeah even if they are a California startup they're still not great at it yeah I feel like there's got to be some way to just be like here's the square but like match the back

'cause in that video, or a different, no, I think it was that video, he was like, "Well, if you set the background of everything to black, "it looks less bad." - It looks less terrible. - But you can still totally tell. The problem is, is since the bottom left corner is a perfect right angle, it fits perfectly there. But then the top starts curving, so you can see the curve go over with the background that's not CarPlay,

connect to the corner of the square that is CarPlay and then continue to go over into another triangle. You know what's interesting to me? You remember last year at WWDC when Apple did their biggest vaporware thing they've done in a long time and they were like, CarPlay is now going to be in every car and we're going to make it a platform that you can build on top of and then literally nothing.

Zero. In that demo, it was taking over seven different totally random screens on the car and flowing perfectly. It had your calendar up over in the passenger seat. It had a call and it had the map. And that was a year ago because WWDC is about to happen again and we have seen not one single thing. No cars have done it. And that was like 20 to 30 minutes of the presentation. I was fascinated by that. And you know what that just reminded me of? This one-ups the Lucid. The worst ever CarPlay implementation I've ever seen.

And that is the Ferrari 296 GTB. If you do car play in the Ferrari, the Ferrari only has one screen, which is your tachometer, your speed and everything. And if you do car play on the Ferrari, your tach disappears and you just have car play in the middle. It's just like big icons and your speedometer is gone.

Which, you know, in a Ferrari, it doesn't matter. It's dangerous in a Ferrari to not have a speedometer. It doesn't matter how fast you're going if you're driving a Ferrari. You're going to get pulled over anyway. Very quickly lose track of that. It's really going to take that out of my list of next cars to buy. That's crazy. If you were thinking about getting that car, just know that CarPlay disappears your tack. Holy hell. And then also in that Apple thing, weren't they saying like, your Speedo will be in CarPlay, your tack will be in CarPlay. But now it's just like...

Yeah. It would have been in that car. It would have been really interesting if you could fully take over the display and show me the range, show me the speed, show me the things that the tack was going to show me. Yeah. And CarPlay stuff. Well, that was the idea, right? It was supposed to be like every EV manufacturer makes different kinds of screens and they're different shapes. And so then you can like kind of build on top of CarPlay to add your own elements and all this stuff. But like, I think that Polestar was...

and maybe, maybe Volvo or something, which is Polestar, were like the only manufacturers that they said they had on board. And then they also just never did anything. Well, but, and it's even interesting. Polestar is Android automotive too. Yeah, it makes sense because they're doing- But they also have CarPlay now. And that makes sense because they're doing Android automotive. So it's going to be a screen that's already similar to like-

what android auto and like carplay are looking for which are rectangles it's just like right this is this comes back to also when we talked to rj about like why do you not do carplay in the rivian and his answer was well we want to control everything and that makes sense uh probably because if you do have weird size screens like the lucid you don't really want to make it look horrible with carplay and now do we see what that looks like but also like the rivian has two rectangular screens

Yeah, which is perfect for it. Why not just have an option? Yeah, I don't know. They want to be Tesla, I guess. Brought me to this question of would you rather, though, have a poor looking CarPlay or Android automotive or just none at all?

Like, if you had a bad-looking... Like, I see that Lucid, and it looks terrible, but if I had a Lucid, I would still use CarPlay on it because I think CarPlay Maps or Android Automotive Maps or Waze is just better. It depends on how slow and glitchy the built-in one is. Exactly. It depends on how bad the built-in is. Okay, let's say it works fine, looks bad, but you still get, like... You get your Waze and everything like that. Like, I...

I couldn't imagine buying a Rivian. Like, I really want a Rivian, but I'd be so sad buying a Rivian and then having to buy a car mount to put my phone with Waze next to this giant capable screen that can put f***ing Waze on it. It's the most common thing I see in Tesla Model 3s is someone putting like a little attachment for MagSafe to put their phone right next to the huge screen that's already there. It's insane. Because people want to use Waze and they want to use whatever their phone looks like. Yeah. I mean, I think these, these like,

New tech well we call them like tech car manufacturers that are very much like software forward like the Arabian lucid and

While their GPS is a thousand times better than a legacy manufacturer, they're still behind Google Maps and Waze and Apple Maps. So the hierarchy is... They're closer. CarPlay and Android Auto, when they work well, are at the top. Then Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, with their built-in systems with no CarPlay and no Android Auto, right underneath that. Mm-hmm.

and this might be debatable but then underneath that all the cars that have absolute garbage infotainment systems that you never even look at because you just use android auto and apple carplay and the debate is do you put those above or below tesla rivian and lucid below

Yeah, because I think a lot of people go I just want carplay. I don't really like that. Oh Yeah, and then the one that doesn't have that with its only its own GPS system is like in the trash Yeah, right now oh Man, that's a rough one. Yeah, it's bad I think wireless carplay helps a lot but for some reason like needing to plug your I mean it's good to that it charges your phone when you have it wired and

but it feels kind of hacky to like plug in your phone and then have like your phone appear on the screen. I guess I have it plugged in on mine and it's not, it's not just like your phone's plugged in. It's still, it's completely on Android auto, like UI and everything. And I, I love it in mine. I wish it was wireless just because I'd rather put my phone somewhere else and not have a big wire hanging out all over the place. But like,

I still, like Android Auto is my favorite. I totally love it. It was like, I made sure my car, which unfortunately Subaru took forever to put it in, but like I had to make sure the car I bought had Android Auto. That was like my number one thing. Are you 80% of users? Well, it's Android Auto 9.

Yeah. Android Auto is 90%. It's funny, all these cars that I'm reviewing, it's like the second I get in, my first question is, does it have Android Auto or Apple CarPlay? And then the second question is, where do I put my phone and can I see my phone where I have to put it? So a lot of them, like...

Like right now, the Tesla has the wireless charger right below the screen and my phone like sits up like nicely on the wireless charger and I can still see it. So I actually don't mind that there's no carplay because my phone is right there facing me.

on something like the ionic six it is like underneath on this like sideways wireless charger so you cannot see your phone so in that case i'm like you better have some way to use wireless carplay or like android auto or something like that and they have wired so i need the cable but that's like the the hierarchy of like how i go into a car rivian's kind of like in the middle it's on your like

armrest which is under the armrest it's it's on top of it's like at the front of your arm right yeah there's one that's like under the armrest was that the um there's a bunch i think the eq eqs yeah yeah all of those if it was just on the screen would be exactly

I understand what they're probably trying to do where they're like, you're not supposed to use your phone while you're driving anyway. Put it in the charger. But if they had wireless card play, that would solve both problems. You're not using your phone and you would get the stuff on the display. And we're assuming the reason they don't want to do this is

gathering information, correct, through their own map software? - It's twofold. Yeah, one is you're a car company. You make your own software. You give the user the best experience you can, where to charge, how to be efficient, what routes to use. And if you offer this thing that is CarPlay, suddenly you're just giving up all the control over whatever Apple thinks should be on that screen.

And the second is, yes, maybe you do something with that data. You use that data. You sell ads, whatever happens to that data. But I think the control is the one that they're all saying forwardly because that makes the most sense. You want to offer the best experience for the user. How will Apple CarPlay know how much range is left on my car and what I'm going to get to? I think that might be an upcoming feature because a lot of EVs, as you're going to the charger, they'll go, all right, you're five minutes away. I'm going to start preconditioning the battery for fast charging. If I go use Android Auto,

The car doesn't know to do that. So those types of things like make the experience of an EV better if the software is actually good. And I think that's what Apple was hoping would happen when they introduced this quote unquote platform that I don't think actually exists. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're still working on it. Maybe. Maybe. I just like that Apple went from that. It's like any screen anywhere, totally integrated. And the first thing we see is

trying to fit a triangle block into the square block of the Lucid. Maybe Apple is done with it and just no car company wants to do it. Yeah. Because why would they give up their whole thing to some other company who could just push a software update and do something they don't like? They want to be a platform. Yeah. Apple car incoming.

I guess the Apple car will be the one. 100% of people will like that car because it has CarPlay. What if the Apple car is not real and it's really just the platform that they were building the whole time? They were just using a body of a car so they could build a software platform. That would be a lot of work. Yeah, but making cars is probably more work. Just make the rest of the car. Just put wheels on it. How hard can it be? Do you guys know about the USSV Rhino GX?

Now you're going to have to explain that one. It's like it's the new. It might not even be that new anymore. It's like it's one of those cars that you have to get like special ordered and it's only for. It's an SUV. It's like completely bulletproof. I don't even know if the windows go down. Okay. It's $300,000. I've seen something like this. There's no carplay. I was just looking it up. I was curious. Don't want it. Yeah. I was going to get it, but now I don't want it anymore.

Unless my phone can go right below the screen and then I can see my phone screen still. You know, it's so funny. This car, despite being $300,000 and being luxuried out, has the most used Alpine media player I've ever seen. That actually sounds right.

That's it? Yeah, those extremely expensive companies that just like want to be made for like super, super rich people. But they're also like, they're also like an oldish company. They're never going to think about software. I think this is a newish company. I don't know. I just developed a theory. Yeah. The more expensive the car, the worse the software.

No, because the Maybach had really good software, didn't it? Not really. Never mind. No, the Maybach had terrible software. And keep going up in price, it gets worse and worse. Yeah. Like the McLaren, don't even think about it. Like, it's just HVAC. That's all it does. If you pull up that map, you'll be really unimpressed. So you're saying the Mini Cooper had the best software. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a twerking dog. If you go up, I guess there's like a curve where it's like at a super low price, there's nothing good. And then at a middle price, you get like CarPlay or you get a Tesla or something like that. And then you go to like more expensive, like six figure cars. EQS. And like EQS and like Bentleys and sports cars. And they go right back to the bottom. We could talk for a long time about car software. But in order to avoid doing that, we should take a break. So. After trivia. Let's do some trivia. Okay.

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All right, welcome back. We are going to end this episode with Marques is now the proud designer of a new product. We released some shoes with Adams the other day, and I have a couple questions for him because he's usually the reviewer, and now he's the reviewee?

I guess you're in the hot seat now. Yes. Sure. So like, like, can we really quickly go through like how all of this came to, because I don't think people who watched our videos yet know exactly how it started or even like how long this has been going on for. I can totally abbreviate. Yeah. Do you remember how you first got in contact with them? I do. Um,

2020 I bought an Adams mask. That's the first thing I ever interacted with Adams at the very beginning and it was great It was super comfortable that became like the default for me word everywhere loved it got a couple more put one on my car put one on my backpack So I loved Adams already I didn't really think too much about the shoes because I already had shoes that I liked I didn't get any new shoes, but then Alexis Ohanian connected us again said hey

Like, Adams, you guys make good stuff. Marquez, you like Adams products. You guys should collaborate on a custom shoe. That was Alexis' idea at the beginning. For people that don't know, Alexis Ohanian is the founder of Reddit. Yes. And the husband to Serena Williams. Yeah, and an all-around great dude. And an investor in Adams. And an investor in Adams, of course, and many other things. And so he mentions this idea, and I'm like, that's...

That's a good idea. And I tried some Adam's shoes and I liked them. They were comfortable. And then the question came up of like, well, what do you mean by custom? Because this opportunity has existed before. Putting my name on an almost finished product and just shipping it and calling it a day wasn't really that appealing to me. And got in touch with Adams and they were basically like, we love this idea. Blank slate. What do you want to make?

I was like, whoa, whoa, what? Like, like really from the beginning, like a whole new shoe and they were super down. And so that became like the sort of base point. This is back in 2020 where it was like, all right, let's just do, cause I'm not a shoe designer. The way I use products is I know what I like and don't like about other shoes that I've like any product. I like some certain things. I don't like certain other things. So,

My job was to put together all the things that I liked about some shoes, all the things that I didn't like about some shoes. And then we'll start to put that in one place, create designs, and just start fresh from there. Yeah. Two years ago. I remember back then, the first meeting...

wasn't even fully like, okay, we're doing this right now. It was like they wanted to come in and they grilled you with questions for like two hours to make sure that this like seemed like an appropriate collaboration. And I really like respected that back then because it's so easy, like you said, to just say, hey, we are a company, you are influencer, please slap your name and let's make money. It was very different. The difference is most of the time that comes from the marketing department. And I think this time it came from product people.

And I when I product person talks to another product person and you can really appreciate a product together, that language is pretty like it clicked pretty fast. So we both knew what we wanted to do, what we wanted to make and what our priorities would be like from the beginning. And God, we must have like over 100 different design drawings and random possibilities.

possible versions of the shoe, colorways, materials, shapes, silhouettes, styles, all kinds of stuff that we went through. I think actually when Adam and David first joined the team, one of the first things in Slack that got posted was this like PDF of like 50 different shoe images. Which designs do you like? And it was just like, they came in and immediately were all like debating which ones we like the best. And there were some really good ones.

really really sick ones I like 26 54 and 59 I like 9 21 and 23 and this was like our second week too so I'm like do I have input because yeah it was sick and like everybody was picking different numbers too because there were just a lot of different color combinations and styles and like highs and like mid and like different straps or laces and whatnot and they yeah they're all really sick

I've really learned that you can mess up a shoe. You can go really, really far in one direction and it will be a bad shoe. Because a product is a bunch of different decisions that you make. And if you make a bunch of wrong decisions and flip the switch the wrong way a bunch of times, you can get a shoe that's just like has no support at all or is just bad. Well, we had that one that came in and you're like, this is so sick. And then you wore it and like a couple steps to like...

whole sides were collapsing in on each other and making these giant creases out that looked like bird wings almost. And it was like, oh, this is not going to work at all. And complete redesign after that. Yeah. So that was the beginning. We kind of went back and forth. I mean, I can describe it as basically the classic me saying what I want, getting a prototype, me going, ah, I see. And then describing a bunch of changes that I want and then going back and forth, getting a prototype. Ah, I see.

okay, here's how that looks. And then just going through that process a bunch of times, that's the basic skeleton of how it went. But it was like, we had to make decisions to optimize for comfort. There were decisions to optimize for aesthetics, to optimize for cost, to optimize for everyday wear versus like, this isn't going to be like a sport specific shoe, but it is a high top. And most high tops are a little more specific use if they're not like everyday wear. So there's a ton of decisions that go into something like this.

- And even price, like I was, the price is 189 and listen, no one thinks that's a cheap shoe. Like it is not a cheap shoe. It is a quality premium shoe. But if you look at Adam's other shoes, which are entirely different, they're a very similar price. I think they're like 160, 170. So to think of a shoe with materials they've never made before

high top their other ones are lows their other ones are basically one color everything matches these are leather or synthetic leather and all sorts of material yeah and to make something like that that's then only like 15 plus you want to throw like influencer tax on if you want to call it that like i think it's pretty impressive and a lot of shoes are similarly priced again i'm someone who buys shoes on sale i spend 60 bucks on shoes it's expensive but like

I don't think it's that wildly, wildly priced. I think my main thing that sort of encapsulates all of it is I really want people to wear these because I've been wearing so many prototypes that had so many flaws. And now that we have the final version and I'm like wearing them like basically every day now, I'm like, man, when people get these, they're going to really appreciate them if they actually wear them.

And so if you just like get them, look at them or just look at a picture online, you're like, oh, that's not worth the price. But when you put them on, you're like, dang, these are really light. These are really comfortable. And these are like decent looking. And I kind of think they look sick, but that's just like because I designed them. So, of course, I think they look sick. Then then you'll appreciate it more. So I think I hope people wear them. And I'm considering not sure if I'm going to be able to do this, but I'm considering wearing them every single day for the next year and seeing how that goes. And I'll have the pair that was worn the most.

With however many thousands of steps I take and however many miles I walk. You're like that guy with the Model S, the first one to drive like 100,000 miles. Yeah. I am the one most well-suited to do this because I've already had mine for several days that are perfect. And we'll see how long I can wear them. I'll hold you to that. Yeah. I want to...

I want to see that. I want a picture every single day. All the rest of my shoes start to get lonely. Yeah, you know, but that makes it easy to pack because I don't have to wear. I'll probably wear other shoes for sports specific things, obviously. I'm not going to golf in these, but like this is my mission. We'll see how it goes. We did actually design them to fit perfectly in the moonwalkers. We did not. Yes, we did. We did, right? Absolutely. David and I contacted Sidron Wilcox separately to make sure that they fit perfectly in that. I see. Yeah, yeah.

Very important fact. I mean, they are soft. This is another random fact. I've had like a heel issue called plantar fasciitis for like four or five months. I have that too. I have it on my right foot.

And so the help that I got from the podiatrist was like this insert to put in all of my shoes. So I've been taking the insert out and putting it in the new pair of shoes that I wear every day. I have a pair in my cleats, and every time I put a pair in my shoes, I take it out, put it in the shoes, and wear those shoes for the day. These are the only shoes that I don't have to put the inserts in because the heel is actually soft enough

and cups and supports well enough and has arch support just enough with the heel toe drop that I don't wear them in these shoes, only these. So if you go to a podiatrist, you can get a doctor's note. Yeah. And your insurance will cover the purchase of... Yeah, your podiatrist will be like, just get these super feet inserts or these 251s. What's it going to be? Because it's the same price. So it's up to you. No, I think they came out great. So the next thing I want to ask you though is now for...

Yesterday, it released. Today's Wednesday, we're recording. When this got released yesterday, Marquez sat in front of his desk...

for the entire day. - That's true. - I think every single person in the office was like, dude, are you doing okay? - Yeah. - It was just like phone, computer, phone, computer, phone, computer, back and forth, back and forth, answering, retweeting, like looking at, you watched probably every video that came out about it. - I watched everyone's. - Yeah. - Everyone. - How's it feel? How's it feel to be in the hot seat? - It's funny, I get it now. I get the stress of like, sometimes I'll get an email from our product manager who's like, you can tell they're stressing out about the videos that came out about their product.

And to me, I'm just like, look, I'm making my video. Like it's one video. Everyone's going to have thoughts about the thing. We'll probably agree on a lot of things. But now being on the other side, we're like, I want to see what everyone thinks about every little thing. Yes, I got a lot of screen time yesterday between YouTube videos and people did unboxings. People did stuff.

kind of, and also just like showcasing them and just like checking them out, which is super cool. Uh, I got to hear basically what everyone thought about every single feature about the laces, about the looks, about the bags that they got, uh, which we might want to do more of about the actual materials and the lightweight of the shoe. Uh, super fun videos. I'll shout out a few cause they were fun. Linus did a video. It was amazing. Linus did a great video. Yeah. Reviewing it. Uh,

kind of poking fun at us but as a sandal he reviewed it as a sandal which was hilarious and he did his like his labs thing where he measures it and does some like vertical leap testing blah blah blah it was all obviously kind of like a extended April Fool's Day fun video but it was really long too it was great so well made and to Linus' team's credit which we all know they can make videos very quickly like the

these shoes to influencers got out like last week. They have not had a lot of times with these. This got pushed to the edge and they made an incredible video. It was a really good video. It was awesome. So that was super cool to see. Even an intro. They redid the intro. They did a Linus intro. How long were they sitting on that? Do you think they were like working on that as soon as they found out about the project? There's no way you make that now. Now nothing made our intro and so did Linus. So there are three versions of the MKBHD intro now. Like genuinely well- We have to do a waveform one. And they all store. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they all stole Ellis's audio. No, Linus didn't attempt the audio. He just took yours, right? He just used the existing. Oh, he did? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyways, Linus's video is great. I also do wonder if when, so the Adam's team is clearly fashion people. I don't know if they understand our like tech memedom that's going on here. So I'm just like wondering them seeing Linus of 15 million subscriber page and then seeing that and being like, I don't know how to think about this. When we were watching all of the videos, I think that the really fun thing was that everyone that we sent it to did it like it was a regular video that they would normally make. Mm-hmm.

And seeing everyone doing their style of video but with the shoe was just really funny. And like in a really fun way too. Zach had like fake legs in his short that he like pulled up. I was nervous that Zach was going to take a knife to it, which was, that would have been the second most extreme thing after Dave2D painted an entire shoe. Yeah.

from top to bottom in teal and white and then did an unboxing. He basically pranked me. He pranked you. He got me good. I was behind the camera getting your reaction and I just assumed it was going to be pretty normal. Dave was like, oh my God. I was like, wow, Dave, thanks for hyping us up. That's a really intense. And then Marquez was like, wait, wait, what is that? And I got scared on the side. I was like, did something happen? Did we send them the wrong shoes? What's going on? Because I couldn't see it. He got you pretty good, but.

He got me. Dave had a great one. Becca's video was fantastic. Becca's was awesome, yeah. The best part about hers, other than the transitions, was her just spitting the sneaker for like 20 seconds to make sure the video... As the outro was exactly two minutes and 51 seconds. That was awesome. Also, shout out to the Jersey girl. I just am. I just am. I love that. I just am. Yeah, lots of really good stuff. Well, I'm going to link as many as I can in the show notes. Shout out to everybody who's...

who's just messaged me about them even if you didn't make anything I got lots of useful feedback about them it's been pretty crazy pretty crazy yeah and we're looking forward to them getting in everybody else's hands to see people that aren't friends reviewing them checking them out feedback stuff like that yeah

Yeah. I'm excited. Should we talk about how they run slightly big? If people are going to order them from the podcast? Worth mentioning. So there's a size chart on Atoms, but a lot of people don't click that. They just like order the normal size. If you are curious about sizing, they run a little big, meaning if you're typically a 10, for example, I would order a nine and a half in these. Yeah.

um they're obviously stretchy laces and you can go too small and be fine i'd rather be too small but i would take a half size off your normal size especially if you're like between two definitely pick the smaller one of the two um and when you do get them laces being elastic by the way adam's laces are like the best thing i just found out you can order them by themselves i'm probably gonna order like 10 pairs just for all of my other shoes but mine mine actually felt a little tight a little long but a little tight but once you loosen it up

with all the laces they stick really well and then being able to slip on a high top is wild low-key this is probably the first ever slip-on high top because of the laces like there are other high tops and you could loosen up your laces and then slip them on and then tie them but these you can actually if you have to tie it right right this might be low-key if you want to call it a tech feature the first ever slip-on high top just throwing it out there what about the balenciagas though who's that

There we go. That's it. Who? Who? Who? But yeah, I heard 251 2.0 is going to be replicating like a croc. Who would have? Oh, sorry. Wakasa and I have been talking about that on the side. Didn't realize you weren't privy to these conversations. No, yeah. I love what we made, obviously, because I...

Yeah, obviously. I hate what we made. I'm excited to get this in the hands of people. There's a billboard in Times Square right now of the shoes. That's pretty amazing. That's amazing and that's also really cool because Brandon and Vin worked really hard on all those photos and I'm really happy that they have a photo up. That's a bucket list kind of thing. That's really cool. It's almost like the...

Funny story. I know billboards don't convert sales because they're billboards. Yeah. And this is an online website. So like it doesn't really work that way. But the billboard was live like a day before release. Yeah. One person. Only one person noticed. Went to Times Square and went, wait a second, and tweeted a picture of the billboard at me the night before the shoes came out. And I was like, oh, my God, it's out.

it's our embargo is broken what is going on this is the most epic way i know and we are huge billboard and literally it was totally fine nobody it's more of just like the pride of just like because there's 10 million billboards in timescore you just kind of get that moment where you're like all right this feels pretty real it's really physical which is cool yeah so yeah it's out there any ideas for what you'd want to do for a version two i mean now that i've seen dave paint them teal

I think you got to think about other colorways. That's like a pretty obvious evolution of 251. We got to start with the obvious red and black, but that feels like a pretty obvious...

There are some cool like blue and orange prototype like photos we saw early that looked really sweet. One, they colored it after like a McLaren that we had done a video on and it looked sick. Papaya. I get why that's not MKBHD colors, but that looked really good. Yeah. There are a lot of good looking prototypes that we didn't make. So that's out there.

I'm glad it's I'm glad all of the two years of work. This is the funny thing because we make a YouTube video and we have this idea in our head and within five days it's out to the world and it's really satisfying to get that immediate feedback. This one was like we had an idea 75 weeks ago. Yeah. And we're finally getting it out this week which is crazy. Yeah. So yeah it's out there now. Yeah. All right. Trivia time.

All right. In 1994, IBM combined the PDA and the mobile phone into one device, creating what is widely considered to be the first smartphone.

On top of having a 4.7-inch touchscreen, it also had email, fax, and pager capabilities. I might be really wrong. We wrote the same thing, just based off what you said. Okay. I think we wrote the same thing. Reminder, it is manufactured by IBM, the International Business Machine. I'm definitely wrong. What was the name of this device? Yeah, now I think I'm wrong, but I still think we have the same answer. IBM.

But I don't know what else to put. Exactly. All right. 1994. I know. That's my thing. That's a long time ago. That was the only part of it that ChatJPT got wrong. It said it was released in 93, which it wasn't. Wow. We're like trash GPT. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. Am I right? Flip them. Yeah, I'm wrong. Andrew and I did in fact say the same thing. Palm Pilot.

Yeah. I said the Blackjack, which is also wrong. But do you remember the Blackjack? No. It was like a PDA slash early smartphone that competed with the Blackberry. Who was it by, though? I don't remember. That's why I thought it might have been IBM. I was thinking of Blackberry, but that's got to be like 2000. This might have been... Blackjack is Samsung. Samsung? Oh. It was like a Blackberry. It had a keyboard and it was pretty cool. Are you in closest wins?

Close it out, going over. I had a Palm Pilot for like all of elementary and middle school. I was that weird kid for some reason. Yeah, I was like, I don't want to use like a normal planner agenda. Like I want to use a Palm Pilot. Rocked it. No, the correct answer is the IBM Simon.

The IBM Simon. I just looked it up. The first Palm Pilot was 1997. That's pretty close. But that was by Palm. That was, it was called, yeah, Palm. I wasn't sure. And they called it the Palm Pilot Personal. That's a lot of, a little bit.

alliteration. This thing had an RJ11 connector built into it too, meaning that you could take your cell phone, plug it into your landline connection, and it would become a landline. That's awesome. Also, $900 in 1994 was $1,800 today. That's fold money. It's the Samsung fold, yeah. This thing looks like the quintessential old

black self what was the one you did on Motorola oh I had the original like yeah one on retro tech yeah that was a Motorola yeah just like straight black antenna giant ear cup but rather than buttons it has like a super narrow super green yeah the Dynatech yeah touchscreen and like

It just has numbers and some little folders on the bottom. Yeah, so you need a stylus to use that touchscreen, which is hilarious, like putting a stylus on your phone. And I don't know if you noticed, but that right bezel is so much bigger than the left bezel. This thing's got to be almost like a foot tall. This is it compared to an iPhone 5. It's probably double the height of it and the same width. All right, second question. So what's...

What's app was founded in 2009 by co-founders Brian Acton and Jan Koum, I think. What's app was famously bought by Meta in 2014 for $1.5 billion. But before any of this, what major tech company did they both work for? That was fast. Because I have no idea.

I've heard the answer to this before, but it wasn't stored in my SSD. Yeah. It got erased from local memory. Yeah. Just think, if you're going to make an app as bad as WhatsApp, what terrible platform are you going to leave prior to that? That almost sounds like I might be right. You said platform. That's a big hint. That's messed up. Spin them. Flip them and read. Flip them. Okay. Well, I said Google. I said AOL. AOL.

I also said Google because I was like, yeah, Google would have made a really amazing chat app and then it got sold to Meta. Yep. The correct answer is...

I was... I wanted to do that. So the score remains unchanged. Marquez with 14, Andrew with 9, David with 13. I don't remember Marquez passing me. Because you were in Iceland. You were in Iceland. Did he get two points last week? I did. He got a point. Yeah, and he got closer. Remember, you didn't... It was the one who gets closest without going over. And that was... You only got one point? Were we tied before that? No, I got a point for being closer, and I got another point for getting the answer right. Mm-hmm.

Oh. Of a different question. Clearly someone doesn't watch our podcast, David. I'm in Iceland. There's no podcast. There aren't podcasts in Iceland, Adam. There's only Nordic casts. Viking casts. Vycasts. Vycasts, take us home. Either way. Hey, listen. We appreciate you guys. Wait, wait, wait. Andrew has 0.69 points a game.

Nice. Right now? At this very moment? Shout out to Andrew. That's a solid average. Good batting average right there. Nice. Very nicely done. Anyway, okay. That's been it. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening this week. We'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveform was produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roven for now until AI takes over. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vane Silva.

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