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Hey, what is going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And we're back in the studio. Not as much happening this week. Obviously, last week was pretty crazy. We shot that in the hotel room right after Google I.O. with all our reactions to everything. We brought all our equipment back and set it all up, and hopefully everything looks the way it should.

But we do have some stuff to talk about. We've got some random, I call it like a mixed bag of features. We've got Pixel as a dash cam. We've got a bunch of Twitter alternatives that we've tried. We've got CarPlay for EVs coming to the Porsche Taycan that I have strong feelings about. We're going to wrap it up with a random free TVs, question mark.

I don't know what that is. It's just free TV, is question mark. Oh, it's perfect. But we should definitely, I kind of want to, we made the joke last week that the biggest news was Final Cut coming to the iPad. Final Cut and Logic did actually come to the iPad. And we do actually want to talk about it a little bit because it is pretty cool. We're going to try this when we get our hands on both of these apps. But the news is Final Cut Pro is,

has finally come to the iPad Pro. We've been saying, how can you call it a Pro iPad if it has no Pro apps? Well, here is Final Cut Pro and is Logic called Logic Pro also or is it just Logic?

It's Logic Pro. It's Logic Pro. Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro. Okay, so Pro apps come with a Pro iPad. But also more than just the Pro iPad, it's all the Apple Silicon iPads and even the A12Z iPad just for Logic. Yeah. But Final Cut Pro is M1 or later. Okay. Which includes iPad Air. So it's not just the Pro iPad. It's not just the Pro iPad. But it's definitely including the Pro iPads because you can't call it a Pro iPad with no Pro apps. But I feel like that saying is totally...

if then you also put it on the non-pro versions. Yeah, it kind of deflates that a little bit. But, you know, we were looking forward to this. We've been asking about this. So the real questions as we look at these web pages, honestly, for me, number one is feature parity between the iPad version of Final Cut Pro and the Mac version of Final Cut Pro that we've been using for so long.

And then the other number two biggest difference is pricing. So I guess we'll do feature parity first.

I, right now, edit in Final Cut Pro every single video that we make, and Mariah also edits in Final Cut Pro for MKBHD videos. And what we have to do to get Final Cut Pro to see RED footage is we need a plugin. It's called the RED Workflow Installer, and it gets installed on the Mac, and it's a plugin for Final Cut Pro on the Mac. And if you don't have that plugin, it can't see or import any of the media that we shoot. Can I do that on the iPad?

I don't know. Big question mark. Big question mark. There appears to be some sort of plug-ins that Apple is making, and maybe that means there will be plug-ins for Final Cut Pro for the iPad. But I don't think, this is me speculating, I don't think that Final Cut plug-ins on the Mac will work on the iPad. And so then...

The next question is, if I have a project that I'm working on on one of them, can I move it to the other and will everything work? So will all my fonts, will all my titles, will all my transitions stay? Probably. But will my plugins stay? Probably not.

So it's Final Cut Pro in the sense of UI, but it's not quite Final Cut Pro in the sense of full continuity. I can do everything on one that I could do on the other. Yeah, I think a big question is that it seems like they want you to be able to like import footage, start your edit, very basic stuff on your iPad, like when you're on the bus or on the train or something, and then you get home, you plug into your Mac and then you're able to just move over and do all the rest of the editing on a Mac.

It feels like that's their main kind of idea for this. In that direction makes sense. Right. But it's just if you don't have feature parity, it just makes things really awkward. Because if I'm doing a bunch of stuff on the Mac and I just want to get off my desk and go sit on the couch with the iPad, it might not be able to do all the things. It might not be able to import all the things that I was just working on. So that's kind of interesting. I mean, we've had other...

video editing apps on the iPad that are pretty decent and sort of standalone. Like we have iMovie. Actually, that's a good question. Does iMovie have feature parity between the Mac and the iPad? I don't actually know. That's a great question. Because there's no plugins. I haven't used iMovie in a long time. I imagine you can move an iMovie project from any iPhone to iPad to Mac. If there's like no plugins or anything, I'm sure you... I don't even know if there are iMovie plugins. I doubt it. But it's iMovie, it's LumaFusion, it's CapCut, it's all the others. I just...

The reason for adding Final Cut Pro to the mix is there are certain people who want Final Cut Pro stuff. And I guess on the iPad, that's just UI. This might be a stupid question. And I realize that. So you can ask me. So like when I first think plug

on Final Cut obviously won't work on iPad, but now that we're using Apple Silicon in both, it does seem like there's potential for that to be an easier transition between the two of them. Yes. But then I guess we're still going between Mac OS and iPad OS. Is that where we're coming to the issue on that? I think so. I think they probably rebuilt the entire app. I don't think they ported it. I'm pretty sure they just rebuilt it. Yeah, I just wonder if...

in terms of the plugins working i guess it would have to be the people who are creating those plugins have a separate version that works at ipad os yeah yeah an ipad version it's probably easier to do but not ready we should try we have an mpht plugin with motion vfx we should try to see what the process is to make an ipad version of the plugin they said that there did they say there will be plugins coming uh

I don't think so. I think that was the one thing that I was trying to figure out from them is there are no plugins now. Is that coming? And I don't think we have an answer on that firmly. That's also one of those questions where like,

I don't know which way to lean. If they haven't mentioned anything about plugins, is it we don't expect to put plugins or it's Final Cut Pro? That's such an obvious yes. We just didn't mention it in the release. Yeah. Which way would you think they're lead? It's funny. Well, I'm on the page for where they released Logic and Final Cut. And I searched ProCut.

plug for like plugin like did a find in page for logic plug in plug in plug in plug in plug in plug in well that's all logic yeah yeah but it doesn't seem like Final Cut they'd mention anything about plug it is not mentioned at all that seems bad and annoying because the main reason that I actually kind of like Final Cut is because of

all the plugins that we have through motion VFX. I really like the M KBHD plugins that we made specifically because it just makes it easier for us to like edit our videos. Yeah. Um, and without that, it, there's not a lot of benefits besides like easier transcoding of like pro res footage. And then also just, um,

The fact that it saves constantly because that's here just crashes. Yeah, I was about to say so I was gonna mention that Plugins are like the second most useful thing to me about Final Cut Pro But autosave is actually gonna top all of what I was gonna talk about Yeah cuz I'd lose a project in Premiere back in the day and I would Reopen it and I crossed my fingers and it would be like four hours behind and I would collapse

collapse into a puddle of tears. Oh yeah. So autosave really high on the list. It should still have that. Wait sorry does Premiere not have autosave? It does but it's not like constantly updated. Like when I crash out of Premiere and I reopen it it's three seconds ago whatever I was just doing.

or Final Cut Pro sorry I was like damn you went faster than 30 seconds I need two micros once every once in a while in Premiere and in Final Cut it's very very often and that can actually work against me because if I just added something to my timeline which starts bugging and Final Cut crashes and I reopen it it will still be on that timeline and then it'll crash really fast again yeah so that's that's bited me a few times yeah

For Premiere, it's like you have to go into this weird subfolder of a subfolder of a subfolder to find your autosaves. And you just have to pray that maybe it decided to autosave recently. But to your point about it autosaving all the time and sometimes that screws you over, yeah, I've had it happen before where I make a catastrophic change.

by accident and then it crashes and I'm just screwed because I can't control Z and I have to redo the entire project and it's awful but that's rough you know it would be nice if they would have mixed it both anyway but yeah Final Cut the reason we're excited about Final Cut is because I like Final Cut on the Mac and so I wonder is it going to be

better than other video editors on the iPad and is it going to be a nice way of continuing my edit from the Mac? Those are the two things I'm wondering going into this and that I'm gonna have to try. - Continuing your edit from the Mac or starting your edit to the Mac? - Or starting the edit and then shipping it. - That seems much more plausible, what David said. - Yeah, I feel like rough cuts with the pencil, just like chopping it up before I move it to the Mac, that might be a way to go. - I'm almost thinking of like what David said as like you're going to shoot on location, you're taking the train back,

why not use that dead time to not just like start importing to throw on the timeline to get and then bring it in. Then you don't have to like sit on the train for an hour, get home and then sit at your computer while you're importing. And the fact that you can do it with your fingers, like with your hand, you can just sit on a train and you're just like editing with the pencil or your hand.

It does have full pencil support. It seems like there's a couple cool things. You can use the hover feature to skim through footage. And then also there's a couple accessibility features almost where there's an extra jog wheel on the side now to scroll faster through everything. Yeah, I thought about it. It does look like they're thinking about it more than just slapping it into iPadOS and wishing you luck. I've been asking for that. There's also a drawing feature that is really cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you use the pencil, you can...

draw your own animations on top of the video and it smooths it out for you too. So if you like, if you, you know, not super seamlessly draw a circle or something, but you're kind of like drawing pieces of the circle, it'll like smooth it out and make it feel like a smooth animation. It's really cool. Cause usually you have to like find a,

like video overlays online and like these like animated video overlays that you can put on your video but the fact that you can just draw whatever you want I want to draw arrows all the time I'm putting arrows in all our videos now this sounds super Casey Neistat like I used to have to do procreate and just make it green and then draw on it and then just key out the green yeah the keying was annoying yeah and I wouldn't always key perfectly either if you had soft edges yeah so let's talk about the price it is five dollars

Every month. Forever. Not bad. Every month that you pay it. Every month that you... Yeah, we actually don't know. Okay, so just for those who don't know, Final Cut Pro...

is actually kind of a bargain on the Mac. I would be willing to argue this. It's absolutely- It's, I think, $500. $300. $300? It's $299, right? $299. But you only pay it once, and you get unlimited licenses and unlimited updates on every Mac forever. That is a bargain. Insanely good deal. The amount of value we get out of Final Cut Pro on one Mac-

300 bucks i would pay it but we get 300 bucks on every every time i switch max i get final cut pro latest version and just right up today and it just keeps going and i've had it for years yeah so 300 bucks that was awesome

This one is a subscription model. And so I think the way this works is you have an iPad, you download Final Cut Pro, you subscribe. It'll be either, I think, $50 a year or you get the first month free and it's $50 a year, or you do monthly, you get the first month free and it's $5 a month. Yeah, I assumed it was just a little bit of a discount if you do for a straight year. Yeah.

And you can pay that every single month that you use it. And I imagine you can cancel your subscription if you're going to stop using it for several months. But then maybe you need it again in December. You subscribe it again. It's five bucks for a month.

So more flexible, but still it's like a subscription. And now we're wondering, like, does that mean they're going to make the Mac version of subscription? Also, can I subscribe on one iPad? And then when I change over iPads, hopefully, hopefully that still translates. I should have it on every iPad. I don't think it would be possible to switch the Mac version to a subscription because people already paid for

You would have to release Final Cut 11 and say, everyone that has Final Cut 10 has it, but if you want 11, you want all these new AI features or whatever, then it's going to be $5 a month. Yeah. Because that's what Adobe did, right? Like, you used to be able to buy full versions of Adobe apps. It would be like, how much was Premiere? Probably $600? $600.

700 bucks, something like that? I don't know how much it cost. Were you buying the suites? You were buying the CS6 suite, right? I mean, there's so many versions of this, but I just remember back in college, it was like, After Effects would be 700 bucks, Premiere would be 600 bucks, Photoshop would be 400 bucks, and if you wanted several of them, you could buy a suite that had a combo of them, and it would be a very expensive suite. And so when they came out with this subscription thing,

At least it wasn't thousands of dollars up front, but it now means you over time will pay more because you were paying for the rest of time. Whether it's 50 or 100 or however many dollars you pay. I use Lightroom regularly. We have Photoshop in the studio. Obviously, After Effects is very useful for Michael for animation, so...

it works out that we get our value out of it but i don't not everybody's gonna love the subscription thing no i feel like i can argue both ways for the final cut on ipad in a sense if you're you know maybe taking a month where you're shooting on location somewhere and the ipad feels like it might help you out in some traveling like cool i can pay five bucks for one month and get this like really awesome tool that's gonna help me in the other sense i'm

You spend $300 on Final Cut Pro and have it on basically unlimited Macs that you've ever used. And you have to buy it again. And now you have to buy it again after you already own Final Cut, which seems crazy. Application is not exactly the most simple application. I feel like people that are using it on their iPad probably know how to use it on their Mac. And it seems weird to only be like, yeah, I only want it for one month, for one project. If you're only using it for one project, you'd probably just use iMovie. Right. That's what I keep picturing. Like the person who has Final Cut Pro uses it a lot. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess I'm saying it more for like if that form factor for some weird scenario you're in. Oh, I see what you're saying. Like that's when maybe it could be beneficial. Like on location, you're traveling for a month or you're going –

You're taking the train a bunch or you're flying a bunch. Maybe that could be a little nicer. So you sort of situationally subscribe to it for like a month or two when you need it. Kind of like how we've talked about autopilot in the past. Like maybe you're taking a month where you're road tripping and you're like, if it's subscription based, then I can pay $10 for that month and I'll take the benefit, but I'm not going to pay the whole year of it. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see.

It's good and bad. Ellis logic for iPad. Does that intrigue you at all? Because this is plugin land and they seem to support everything. Yeah. Well, they support everything like asterisk, you know what I mean? So like audio, uh,

The Logic Apple Audio Sphere uses pretty much one kind of plugin exclusively. It's called an audio unit. And I'm pretty sure it's actually developed by Apple. It's like all of the infrastructure for it is baked into what's called like core audio, which is the audio engine for pretty much all of Apple's products.

So like GarageBand on the iPad has had a third party plugin ecosystem for quite a while. Right. Yeah, like a long time. So all of those same plugins that work in GarageBand like automatically work will now work in Logic. I'm a little bit skeptical, A, because Logic already has a companion app for the iPad that's just like a controller. That's pretty sweet. You know, it's like different. It's not the standalone app.

You'll still need the Mac, but this will supplement some functionality. Yeah, but so I'm like, I'm pretty, I know that like Logic works well on a touchscreen already because the companion app. The thing that I'm really curious about is that as far as I know,

You can only run these plugins, which is an existing format that goes like almost a decade back now. You can only run them in what's called like as an extension where you download an app from the app store and baked into that app is an extension that lets other apps know like, hey, I can...

weasel into this app and use it in another app. And that's frustrating because on the Mac, I can just download these little tiny files, like a few megabytes, throw them into the folder in my deep library. And then I'm running those plugins in like a second. There's like no installation process. It doesn't need to throw assets anywhere.

And I don't think the iPad lets you that deep into the file structure to get that done, right? Yeah, it sounds like they're going to have to hide that from the user. It's frustrating because we all know in our hearts, I could just pull these plugins off my computer and there's no reason why they couldn't just run. The other thing that makes Logic for iPad really, really cool is Apple has this way in iOS of being able to pipe files.

audio from one application to another, which on a Mac is not impossible, but it gets really, really funky really, really quick. You have to trick your computer into thinking you've got multiple drivers going at once, and it doesn't really work that well. So the iPad has already been this really cool music-making tool for years, because you can run multiple apps in tandem in a way that you actually can't do on a computer and get these new and interesting sounds.

So I'm all for, I can't wait to get my hands on it. But there isn't like a thing that I'm like, oh man, you know, and this is like mostly a me thing, but I don't think there's a score editor in Logic for the iPad. Like in Logic for the Mac, I could input notes as like notes on a stave. But it doesn't seem like there. I don't, I mean, I understand why, but. That would seem like that'd be super cool because you have a pencil.

That seems to make the most sense. The more I think about these tools, it feels like

Apple realizes a lot of people's primary computers are their iPhones. And for a lot of people who don't feel like graduating to a Mac, their biggest, most powerful computer is their iPad. And so if they never get a Mac, they can still use Logic or Final Cut Pro. And it might not have full feature parity for us psychos who want to swap back and forth between the Mac and the iPad, but there's going to be a lot of people who just unlocked a lot of functionality, which is probably the upside that we are all looking for.

and we'll see how people feel about the price. Yeah. That's it. That's Logic and Final Cut Pro. We've now talked about it for real instead of in a joking way before the other pod. What else do we want to mention here? We want to talk about the dash cam thing. Yeah. Adam posted this this morning and I read the article. I just saw the headline. It's really cool. It is cool. Did you see it? Yeah. I read it yesterday. So 9to5Google found...

I want to throw this out there. Am I the only one who just learned what a dog food build is this morning? Yes. I think so. I'm about to. Okay, cool. I knew you would know it. You told me you knew it. Okay. It's apparently just basically before alpha or beta. Yeah.

When a team is working on something, they can push it to their phone, to live quality assurance. Yeah, they'll test it. The people who are working on the app basically will internal test. They'll test the dog food version of the app. So when they're testing a pixel before it comes out with a bunch of new apps on it, those are dog food builds. So when you work at Google and you're not online,

on a team that's building a specific app, that team will want feedback from people who are not on the team. And they'll tell other people at Google, hey, do you want to test this? Here's a dog food build. Please don't share it. MARK MANDEL: Do they say, send it to the dogs?

We got some kibble for you. We got some scraps. Let's give it to the dogs. I just want to say, this morning, only Miles and Marques were in, and I was like, do you guys know what a dog food build is? And Miles was like, it sounds like a bodybuilder who's just really jacked and looks like he's just eating dog food all day. He's got that dog food build.

He's got that dog in him. He's got that dog food build. That's actually hilarious. Is dog food like super high nutrition? I think it's got a lot of protein in it. Oh my goodness. Actually, yeah. I'm not saying eat it. I would not eat it. Doing that. Bless Dr. Mike. Okay. I would not eat dog food in your manganella 2023. Good to know. Anyway. You do, you man. Yeah, okay.

so what was dog fooded inside of google um so we all we know that like apple and google have been doing all these different like safety features especially crash crash detection so it seems like within this personal safety feature there's going to be a new dash cam feature which is one of these things that i feel like makes perfect sense on like a phone it does um i don't know how it's taken this long but now they they were able to the people at nine to five google were able to

try it out, I think, or at least scroll through all the different features of it. So we have the features and it's... Google's so bad at keeping things a secret, man. Yeah. I'm also surprised they're... I guess they're probably not done with it yet. This would have been an awesome IO announcement. Well, they always like...

Like even in just random developer betas and stuff, if they don't release a feature, sometimes they'll just put references to that feature in the code. And so it's really easy to spot new features that way. Yeah. I feel like there's one team working on a thing and then another team that's like, we need the UI to be ready for when we drop the thing in. And so the team that's ready for the UI will like put the hooks in the code, but the feature's not ready yet. So we just see the references to it, but not the thing. Yeah.

Kind of like this. Yeah. So we have a bunch of features already, and I think they're kind of cool. So there will be background recording, which lets you still be able to do everything on your phone while it's recording. Mostly if we're driving, we're assuming that's like showing maps and navigation. So your phone's in your dash. It's pointed forward. Yeah, I mean, obviously it needs to be in a spot that's actually looking at the road. So the camera's pointed out the road. Yep. There's also a front-facing camera.

That's something I want to get to later, actually. It seems like right now it's only rear video. But yeah, so your phone can still be displaying whatever you have on it, calls, music, maps, navigation, and it'll be recording through the back. All videos will be auto-deleted after three days.

It will auto start recording once it recognizes a Bluetooth device connected that you set as like your car. So you don't have to worry about going into that menu every time and pressing record. It's compressed to save space without losing quality, which I still don't really know what that means because I feel like you're always going to lose quality. It's pretty classic. But one minute will be about 30 megabytes. That seems like a lot. Yeah.

I read that and it was like, yeah, only 30 megabytes per minute. And I was like, if you drive for an hour, that's 60 times 30. Wait, one minute is 30 megabytes? That's 1.8 gigs, right? Nah, that's 900 megabytes. 60 times... Oh, no, you're right, 1.8. I can do basic math. You made me feel like I couldn't first. Which I guess 1.8 gigs is not bad, but if it saves for three days and you drive... I drive for at least two hours a day, so that's six hours...

Well, I can't really. I mean, but if it's 12 gigs, let's just say four gigs in a day. Right. And then three days. So 12 gigs. Yeah. Yeah. That's not that bad. It's a decent amount. But if you're keeping your storage relatively OK, judging on your tabs normally, I'm going to assume your storage might be an issue. But I don't know.

But auto-delete after three days and then 12 gigs. I don't know. And it can record up to 24 hours, so it can do longer recordings. That's a lot of footage. That's a lot of footage and a lot of driving. Yeah, and a lot of driving. Yeah.

We gotta clip that. That was literally the exact same time we said that. Wait, we said it so asynchronously that I didn't even hear you say it. Oh, you said it? I didn't hear him say it. I thought you just meant his cadence was the same of how it normally is. We both started saying it at roughly the same time, but we said the word data overlapped perfectly. Did you press the button?

Jesus Christ. It was pretty good. I didn't miss it either. Also, wait, while we stopped the conversation, I looked up the origin of the dog food thing. Okay. And it's because there's a famous commercial for the Alpo dog food brand from the 70s where Lauren Green, the celebrity actor and Dorsey, says that he feeds his own dog at home, Alpo dog food.

Then there's this other, this sounds like an urban legend. What? Apparently, well, no, it's like a commercial. He's like, Alpo dog food is like the best or whatever, you know what I mean? And then he's like, and by the way, I actually at home like feed my real life dog. This is using it at home. I dog food test this product on my own dog. But then there's an urban legend that the CEO of the California

Cal Can Pet Food Company would eat a can of the company's dog food at the annual shareholders meeting. Seems a little urban legend-y, but... No, I believe that. And then we actually have evidence in the, I think it was the late 80s of... In 1988, yeah, a Microsoft manager sent an internal email titled Eating Our Own Dog Food as a reference to those commercials. Wow. Cemented.

Wow. I love that. That's a hell of a reference. Next long form. That's all going in the podcast. We need that. No, I think the dash same thing as school. Most, I don't have a thing that props my phone up. So my phone's resting on a charger. That's the first thing. You have to be someone who has your phone up.

And I also, I was just saying this in an autofocus video recently. These cars that are coming out now that are all new all have so many cameras, but none of them have a dash cam feature. The Rivian just got a software update where you can plug in a flash drive and it's called like drive cam or something and it will save automatically as you're driving. So if there's an incident or you hit your horn or you hit the button, it saves the last two minutes of footage. It seems so easy. So obvious. Tesla didn't have it forever. They finally added it. You just plug in a flash drive.

Every car with cameras all over the car should have a USB port you can plug in and have a built-in dash cam feature. - I mean, every phone should have it, I feel like at this point. - The phone thing is tough 'cause it's resource intensive and your phone's gotta be capable enough to do dash cam recording.

Like, remember we just saw this CarPlay issue where if you were running CarPlay and recording on the phone at the same time, it would turn into a stuttery, janky mess? That's the most powerful iPhone that exists that still has that problem. That sounds like something they could probably fix if they actually looked into it. Maybe. I hope so. But the fact is, like, if you're recording high bitrate video on your phone, that's a lot of processing power, and you also want to be able to do other stuff smoothly on your phone. So maybe not every phone is going to be able to do that, but yes, it's...

High-end phones should be able to do that. I think they should be able to do it. And you should be able to pop it right up in your dashboard and have a dash cam. Recording even 720p video for up to over an hour at a time driving is going to use a lot of your battery on your phone. It's going to make it really hot. Yeah, but it'll be plugged in because it's in your car. Not always.

I think if you're doing this, it doesn't have to be plugged in, but if you're in your car, I think it'll be plugged in if it's in that position. Something that I think it would be cool if they added, they already have crash detection and stuff, but because they have a dash cam, it would be nice if it didn't have to be mounted seeing the front of you. If it could just be in the cradle, like in a Tesla where it's charging in the cradle, and if it was recording with the front camera...

Because you're using a dash cam, you can kind of understand where you got hit from, right? Or if you were the person that hit the person in front of you or if you got hit. Could be useful. Like it should be able to understand that information. Yeah. That'd be really useful because then you could like give that to the cops if someone tried to pretend like you hit them when they actually hit you or something. Hopefully it's accurate enough. I think the best way of implementing it would be

If it's in the spot facing forward, it's recording front and back because most dash cams, the higher end dash cams coming out now, and you see them in Uber drivers all the time, are facing both directions. So you can see inside the car, but yeah, you can get hit from four sides on a car. So forward's not always the best spot. And especially rear-ending is the one that you want to prove you're not at fault. So seeing behind you is super important. That's why in California, if you get rear-ended, the person who rear-ended you is automatically at fault.

Even if you back into them, they're at fault because they should have been able to evade it. Jeez. Which is kind of insane. Rough. It also would be good for... I think it was Apple a little while. Didn't they do the thing where you can tell Siri you're getting pulled over and it will start...

video recording? That was a someone made a shortcut for that. Oh, OK. Yeah. Like this would be good for that, too, if it's selfie camera as well. Like it's just recording when it's in the car. So if you get pulled over, you have the extra recording process that goes through being pulled over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. But also one one last thing. OK. It's not going to necessarily be pixel exclusive. Apparently, this is also coming to the nothing phone one.

And then there's nothing in the code that says Pixel exclusive. So they're saying this could pretty easily move to other phones. I hope so. Okay, perfect. One more quick thing that just makes sense. Apple CarPlay, we've talked about this in previous videos. And your car doesn't know much about your car. It's just kind of being projected from your iPhone.

And so if you're in an electric car, if you want to plan a road trip with like lots of charging stops and all that stuff, you will have to use the car's built-in software to know what percentage battery you'll have when you arrive at the charger and all that fun stuff because CarPlay doesn't know that. Porsche just announced that they're going to be supporting an update of CarPlay called CarPlay EV in the Taycan, which does know your car's state of charge and knows where you can charge.

Which just makes perfect sense. So really the whole point is you will be able to plan a road trip and continue to use Apple CarPlay because now it'll know, okay, you have 25% battery left and you just put in a destination 200 miles away. So I'm going to route you to this charger where you charge for this long and, you know, finish your road trip like this.

Just makes sense. I'm glad that exists. The question still is like, okay, what manufacturers are going to put this in their cars versus like trying to maintain their own awesome software experience. That's the thing. I think it makes those people who claim, who don't want to use car player, we

We can assume this is going to come to Android Auto at some point too, right? Like if CarPlay is going to, they're all going to have to because EVs are becoming more and more popular. Both are going to need this. It's making those companies way harder to convince you like you don't need

The better CarPlay gets, the harder the argument is to not include it. I think the easiest way to tell customers you're not including CarPlay or Android Auto is like, well, the charging stations and knowing your current charge and everything. Now you're just going to have to straight up be like, well, we want your information. So that's no.

I did read the whole press release. There's nothing in here about preconditioning a battery. Like it does automatically suggest charging routes and uses elevation and everything to know like how much battery you'll have when you arrive at your destination and it knows about your car and all that is super cool.

but I don't know if it'll do everything that the built-in car navigation will do. Like when you're driving a Tesla to a supercharger, it knows that it's a supercharger and so it knows that it can precondition the battery starting when you're five minutes away to reach a certain temperature so as soon as you plug in, it's the max charging speed. I don't know if CarPlay EV is going to be able to tell the car to do that. Yeah, I doubt it. I would guess that the CarPlay EV is just doing some sort of handshake and calling an API. Yeah.

It's probably just like call API function state of charge from the car. But I doubt that it's able to, like, I doubt that the car is able to call something from the phone or not phone, but from CarPlay itself. Essentially the phone though. Yeah, yeah, essentially the phone. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if CarPlay is going to be able to tell the car

Start preconditioning the battery. Yeah, I doubt it. I highly doubt it I would I would bet it's just the phone gets to take information from the car and it's a one-way pipeline Yeah, just ask Siri to step in the right direction though Siri precondition the battery up almost there I have so much to say about car voice assistance, but we'll we'll get in the weeds too fast So we'll have to take a quick break for now But before we do that, let's do trivia trivia All right, all right well nice so

As always, the answers will be at the end. Also, this question sounds a lot harder than it is.

It just takes a lot of explaining, so don't be intimidated. I hate it already. The question takes explaining? I didn't write this. I was literally just going to say this is an Alex question. No, it's a me question. Okay. So we were talking about Final Cut on the iPad Pro and iPad Air before. Both displays use the P3 wide color gamut, which is a variant of the DCI P3 color space. With me so far? Yeah. That's it. That's so simple.

For DCI-P3, Rec. 709, sRGB, and Adobe RGB, basically all of the display color thingies, the color at wavelength 464.2 nanometers is the same for all of them. What is wrong with you? What color is that? What is wrong with you, Adam? Why would we know the answer to this? What is wrong?

with you. How would we know this? 464 nanometers. That's all you need to think about. Yeah. The wavelength is 464 nanometers. Nobody just knows what color is at 464 nanometers. All you gotta do is think about it a little. Did you know that? Yeah, I knew it. Really? Yeah.

You just know the wavelength of the visible spectrum? No, no, no. By heart. Not all of them. Just like very specific colors. Just 464. No. I mean, I'll be glad to know this in the future for no reason, but I don't really know why I should know it already. No, yeah, there's a reasoning for it. It's just like, you know the full spectrum. Okay.

You know certain colors are higher frequencies. Certain colors are lower frequencies. I do know that. I don't know how many nanometers they are, but I know. You don't need to know anything in between. You only need to know those two. 464. 464. This sucks. Overwatch 2 is canceled. We'll be right back. We're just not doing trivia. We're just all getting zero points.

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Okay, welcome back. This is a conversation I feel like we've been meaning to have for a while.

twitter alternatives they've been popping up absolutely everywhere there's a million different ones here we go some of us have tried some some of us hasn't haven't i think within this room everybody's tried out all of these at least one person's tried at least all of these so i figured let's let's go over all of them yeah let's see what people think of them i think some people have had a little too much fun on some of these and we will go over that what do you mean so um

Yeah, let's do it. I've got likes and dislikes for... Yeah, I've tried a couple. Also, the first one is, you guys keep talking about Lemonade. That is not one, right? Because I tried to go to it and it did not seem like Twitter at all. No, Lemonade, for those unfamiliar, we can just go over this one quick. It's more of like an Instagram slash TikTok thing.

It's like you, I don't, I guess you could post text, but it's, it's very visual. It looks like a, like a Pinterest board of an explore page of like images and swiping through things and also videos and short form stuff. It's like, it's like, it's like Instagram. Okay. I just kept hearing the name around this time when all of these are coming out and just assumed it was one. Yeah. I think Adam and Marquez have talked about it a bunch. Okay. Okay.

I'm going to say for each one how many followers I have on each one. Oh, flex, flex. No, actually, no. This is purely for context so you can get an idea. Because I've joined these all around the same time and I've done about the same amount of activity on each one of them and they all have different scales. Lemonade, I have 65 followers on Lemonade. Just keep that in the back of your head. That's the first one. That's photos only? It's like Instagram? Video. I got some shorts on there.

Oh, you're posting on it too. Yeah, I'm posting on all these. All the ones that I'm on anyway. You can tell how many I'm on. So Lemonade, 65 people. Okay, next up. Okay, I think Mastodon's the first one that everyone was really talking about. I kind of think Adam's used it the most out of everyone. I currently use it exclusively. Really? We get asked all the time. I think we have a subreddit post like every month. Like, why isn't everyone on Mastodon?

I'm on Mastodon. Are you? Yeah, okay. If you have to say sort of, that's a no. Mastodon is the only one I am not on. Okay. Somebody was impersonating me on it for a while. I think...

I do remember, I remember hearing about Mastodon and then immediately hearing about somebody impersonating you with like a verified checkmark. Because the second Mastodon started popping up, there were people who were like, I am the new MKBHD on Mastodon. Follow me here. I am not on Twitter anymore. Who would ever impersonate anyone on one of these things? That's terrible. Yeah, we'll figure that out. No, so I'm not on Mastodon, but you guys are. Yeah, this is Mastodon. So what is like good about Mastodon? Please explain. Adam should be the...

It does look kind of like Twitter. Mastodon is just Twitter. If it was just Twitter, I'd probably be on it. No, it's Twitter like eight years ago. Yeah, with a lot less people, a lot less of the cool features and things like that. But the big thing about it is that there's a bunch of different servers. It's very decentralized. So you log in and you sign up with a server specifically. Like a Discord server. Basically, yeah. Like a subreddit?

It's more like Discord servers. To me, it's easier to think about it like Discord servers. It's not, so people are going to yell at me. I know it's not. It's like a really slow Discord server. That's the easy way to think about it. Sure. But the servers analogy is because if you sign up on one Mastodon server and someone else signs up on a different Mastodon server, you two will never see each other or follow each other or interact with each other. No, you can't. You can. You can. Yeah. Okay, so what's the difference between...

It's just you're being hosted on a different server. Yeah, you're just hosted on a different server. There's different rules and different content moderations and different things that each server can do. So, like, they have the rules like subreddits where if you're on this subreddit, you can only abide by these rules. Mm-hmm.

But then you can still see, if you choose to, see everyone's... So people get to abide by different rules depending on what server they're on? Depending on the server. So you get kicked off or blocked or anything depending on which server you're on. So if I interact with someone's Mastodon post, that only exists on one of the servers? Or that's not... That doesn't make sense. No, it would...

This is confusing. You can see it. So the idea is that it's decentralized, right? Yeah. The idea is that Twitter is a company that owns twitter.com. They own the servers that everyone uses twitter.com on. That means that they get to make the rules. They get to moderate everything. Twitter is centralized. Twitter is centralized. Yes.

The reason that these decentralized social media apps have been popping up is that people don't want there to be one point of control for the rules of a social media platform because a lot of people think that social media is sort of like a public good at this point and that anyone should be able to come up with their own hosted servers that you can run on. Okay.

So the idea of Mastodon is that everybody can see each other's toots. Is that what they call them? There's no way it's called toots. What do you mean? That's the greatest marketing ever. It's a toot. How cute is that? Imagine having a worse name. It's kind of like a global RSS feed that is just being hosted on different servers and

because it's hosted on different servers, you can't get it taken down by some authoritarian government if it's being hosted by some guy in his basement. So no rules means there's probably way more crazy stuff and crazy corners of it. I guess also the person who's hosting it, though, is, I'm assuming, going to abide by the laws of the land they live in, correct? I do not even feel like it.

If you pitch this to me, I would be like, I'm buying drugs on this. This is kind of the same way that RSS is. This feels like so-pro. Is RSS centralized? No. It's just a standard. RSS is just a standard. And that's the same thing that this runs on ActivityPub, which is just the standard. Yeah.

The idea is that social media should just be a protocol and not individual websites that you sign up for that are owned by companies. You can email anyone from Gmail to Outlook and they'll get the email. Yeah, but I don't have to look at racist people in my email. Well, you might get some, but Gmail might spam it out. If you use a different email, it might not have any spam filters or nothing. Yeah. Once we get to Blue Sky, I'll talk about why I think Blue Sky's implementation of everything is a little bit bad.

better than Mastodon. Also, Mastodon's very confusing, 'cause when you sign up for it, it's like, what server do you wanna join? .social, .tech, .at, and it's like, very confusing. - Yeah, they finally just changed that. - How many servers are there? Can you just make a server whenever you want? - Mozilla just made one like a week ago. - So what happens if I join the Mozilla server? - You're just on it. You could do that if you want. - You can be on several?

We could have. I mean, you can if you want, but you could only be like one account. If you want to use your main MKBHD account, you would have to pick one. We could technically host an MKBHD server if we wanted, but we would have to maintain and run that server. And when we got a lot of users on our server, it would cost money. This is not for everybody. No. I'm so confused.

It's a big commitment to run a server like that. The biggest difference between centralized and decentralized anything is sort of like the level of complexity that you want to have users jump into. Mastodon is definitely too complicated for its own good, and I think that's its biggest problem. I think Blue Sky, which we'll get to in a little bit, kind of like...

merges that a little bit, makes it a little bit simpler. It's still a little too complicated, but I think it's a little simpler. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have much else on Mastodon. I mean, I feel like the... I agree in principle with the decentralized upsides. It just...

The more competition we have and the more specialized each platform is, it kind of doesn't matter if it's centralized or not. They're all different. So that's why things like ActivityPub, which is what Mastodon uses as its protocol, are supposed to basically... If everyone uses the ActivityPub protocol...

you should be able to post on Mastodon and it shows up on any other application that uses the activity pub protocol because social media, they want to make social media, not a website and a website and a website. They want to just make social media one protocol so you can post one thing and it shows up everywhere on the internet. If you choose to. Yeah. It might be too late because like social media, social media is like a bunch of walled gardens and a bunch of competitive companies. A bunch of businesses. That's what people are trying to break. I don't,

I do think it might be too late. Yeah, I think it's too late. Everyone who wants to break this probably wants to make a ton of money also. But people are kind of seeing this moment as the opportunity to try it. Because of Twitter, Facebook owns everything. Facebook, there's so many gigantic walled gardens that are never going to

I mean, they're centralized. That's the point. So they have... And they're incentivized to make better features and better competitive things to make you want to use it. And if they make bad decisions or have bad features or bad rules, then technically that should hurt them. Yeah. And as they try to grow and get better...

that should matter. Yeah. I think the argument though is that some of these like YouTube for example is like too big. Like if YouTube really decides tomorrow they want to do something to like hurt the users where do you go?

No, no. That's why it's like, that's why this is a weird thing to kind of talk about. Maybe why we haven't talked about it for so long is like, I'm not trying to argue for these giant corporations that have all this control, but like totally decentralized and unmoderated also seems like a terrible place that I don't really want to be a part. depending on the server. Depending on the server. It's just they have different moderation rules. Yeah, but it sounds like you can go to ones that don't have

rules you can but then who's going to be running that is that someone you want to align yourself with do you really want your account on that server but those people are still on that same area yeah there's always gonna be bad people kind of like off in a corner somewhere doing things you just don't subscribe to them discord is like a combination of these things where you can have your own discord server but you don't host it it's still centralized in discord you just happen

and make your rules. Discord still has terms of service though. You're subject to Discord's terms of service and their rules. It's kind of a hybrid and I think that's why a lot of people have been joining Discord in the last year or so is because it's really easy to do. It's really easy to make a group but you don't have to go through any of the complexity of any of this stuff. This is also making me realize that maybe we should do if not a long form

at least like an explainer episode on like activity pub and like the descent the future of the decentralized social platforms yeah if it's even going to be around though because who knows if it's just like a flash in the bucket i think it feels like it is to me because you were mentioning that these are twitter alternatives yeah and you're talking about like what if youtube made some huge drastic decision that like really harmed the users my

partially naive but actually partially kind of true argument is that's impossible because there it's such a big ship with so many people doing so many things that have it has to make all the way up the ladder and so many decisions have to be made that there's no way that one person making one terrible decision could take down the whole thing the way that happened to twitter it's just too big like

Like YouTube couldn't make one decision to ruin, to burn down the whole shit. What if Google was like, YouTube doesn't make enough money anymore. We're shutting it down. I don't see that happening. I don't see that happening. It's too powerful and too useful to throw it down even if it doesn't make money. It's the world's online video library. Yeah.

I don't disagree with you, but I do understand the fear of having... It feels like it's not one person, but it's one entity that has the rule over a lot and potentially too much. I think the thinking too is now is Twitter. So Twitter is going through this whole thing. People are trying to figure out what to do.

Facebook owns Instagram, which is the other big one. They own WhatsApp. I totally agree. And people are scared of that. So if one by one these things start to hurt the users, one by one there will be these alternatives. And that's what I think people are trying to prepare for.

Yeah. I also think the idea is like, remember from the Secret History of the Internet episode a couple of weeks ago, TCP/IP, right? Everyone got on this one protocol and you can build out from TCP/IP. You can make all this other stuff just based on this one open protocol.

And if social media could go a similar direction where everyone used the exact same thing and it was just so easy to just like build off of other people's stuff. It does sound pretty great. That's what people, that's like a future that people, that sparkle in their eyes, that would be great. If there was just one huge social media and it was your videos and your short form and your text blobs and your blog posts and your whatever, everything is just one big social media. So that sort of moves us to Blue Sky. Okay.

Blue Sky uses what's called the app protocol. And there it's a good name for a protocol. I think it's literally the app sign. Yeah. Yeah.

And their kind of concept is that you have a handle that is being hosted on your own website or something like that. You can sign up for some app, blah, blah, blah, at bluesky.social. At pisky.social. Right. But if you own your own website, like I own davidml.com, right? I can now host my Blue Sky account online.

on davidml.com technically. So now my Blue Sky account is just at, it's at davidml.com

It's not just at davidml.bluesky.social. So it's being hosted by my own website, which means the app protocol is like, if you own your domain, you should just be able to, that's like a way to verify you, right? Because if Amazon owns amazon.com, everyone knows Amazon owns amazon.com. So if on all social media platforms, amazon.com was just

at amazon.com, that's kind of a verified badge without having to use a verified badge. So I'm following some people. I'm just looking through who I'm following. And I see you're at davidml.com. I'm following Casey Neistat. He is at casey.nyc. Everyone, Adam Molina is at adammolina.com. But others who do not own their own URL. Yeah, Gogurt didn't even pay for their own. Unverified, in air quotes, are at .bsky.social. Right.

Because Blue Sky knows that most people aren't, like a lot of people don't even own their own websites. For sure. Most people don't own their own. Weird. But they know that in order to onboard people onto this social media platform, they do have to host servers to an extent. So this is also kind of a weird hybrid thing.

environment where, yes, they run Blue Sky and it is kind of operated by them and it is not run by the people like Mastodon is, but the idea would be eventually maybe everyone gets their own account hosted on other servers and then Blue Sky doesn't even have to make money. You know? I don't know. It's complicated. Not making money feels like would be the

I know in some euphoric world where everyone will do a bunch of work on things and not make any money. That sounds wonderful. But I feel like the minute we start talking about things not making a lot of money, it feels like it's going to die. There are awesome open source projects and stuff that people will use that make no money and people just devote stuff to. But the problem is people will always fork that open source project and figure out how to make money from the forked version. That always happens. Yep.

And then the money you can use for advertising to get more user base and all of these benefit on user bases. So like, I think that's the biggest hurdle. Also, wait, can I just, this blue sky app logo, is that what they're really going to use? Is the worst logo? That is a great question. It is. It's horrible. The current logo is just like a blue sky with clouds. It just looks like,

I mean, I get it makes sense, but it looks so bad compared to all the other things. It's so refreshing. It's terrible. Nice. Also, when you go to the Blue Sky website in browser, it shows an app icon that's different. I did when I first went to it. Yeah, it shows three birds in a square. Mine is clouds in a circle. I thought I was downloading the wrong thing.

Hmm. Yeah, not great. So blue sky looks almost exactly like Twitter I was gonna say I've been using it a little bit. I've had it for three weeks. It functionally is Twitter. Yeah, the The differentiator for blue sky is that they were able to get like a lot of journalists on it They were able to like really quickly they were able to get a lot of famous people basically a lot of the really really followed Twitter users they were able to get on blue sky and

And that got a lot of people that created a lot of hype for blue sky. They use an invite system right now and you only get one invite every two weeks. So it's very slow rollout. One invite every two weeks. How do I tell if I have an invite? When you go to your profile page, it'll show the invite codes on the left side. There's no messages. Oh, I have a code. Yeah. There's no messaging so far, which is pretty annoying. You can't block people on this app. I can't block people yet. Oh no, you can. Yeah. They added a moderation. You can block people. Oh,

Fire. So it's been really interesting to watch Evolve because there's a following tab and a what's hot tab. I wish that there was not a what's hot tab because I just kind of hate it. It's just porn pretty much. Yeah. Or was for a while. On Blue Sky because there's so few users. There still are way more users than T2 which we'll get to after this. But because there's so few users you kind of have to use the what's hot tab to see who you want to follow. But whatever is hot people will just start kind of like

adding on to and it becomes a trend and they'll be like the trend of the day so one day people just started posting their butts and then everyone started posting their butts nice can i why is how come when i'm looking at this some people's display names are like full display names like there's alex wolf and then marquez is like gets cuts like john renger just says joe j.o peyotos is

Hayat. That's weird. It looks like that's only on the Android app because on the Evergreen. Havard at LOL.

Yeah, I don't know. I was enjoying it and then the What's Hot tab was... Because there wasn't that many people on it. Yeah, when there wasn't a lot of people on it, the What's Hot tab was fine. A bunch of boats. A big reason that Twitter has been annoying me so much recently is Twitter's new What's Hot tab or whatever it's called. Yeah, which is like the default. I hate it. It feels like TikTok slash... It's just like... There's a reason for that. It's meme pages and porn. Yeah.

It's basically all Twitter. It's the most engaged with things they could possibly throw at you. It's so annoying. Yeah. It's not anything I'm interested in. Twitter's following tab, they like don't refresh that often. Like they don't update it that often. Yeah, you have to refresh it yourself. Yeah. Well, even when I do refresh it myself, it feels like I don't see new tweets all the time. Hmm.

I don't know. There's some weird stuff. Also, I used to refresh by double tapping the home button on the bottom than rather having to scroll. Well, if you double tap, it refreshes quick and then slides over to what's new. And then I hate it so much. What's high. I'll leave you with this context. I started this three weeks ago. I have 839 followers on Blue Sky. That's not bad. Wait, how many? Oh, no, you're not on Mastodon. That's more than the amount of users that were on T2 when we first got on it. That is a fact. So let's finish this up with T2.

T2 is also, it's literally made by a bunch of people who formerly worked at Twitter, which is why it's called T2. They all lovingly refer to Twitter as T1. They don't say the word. They just call it T1 and T2. So T2, it's a very basic, I believe, desktop web only version of...

of social media with text. Can I interject right there? That's the one thing I found interesting between these two. So I've tried Blue Sky NT2 and it's like you're using one on web and one on mobile and then you realize like,

I really want the other one. Once you don't have it, you're like, I wish I could go on the other version. Because when I'm at work, I'm always on browser on Twitter. It's just so much easier. But I'm always on my phone anywhere else for Twitter, which I check a lot. So the fact that both of them are subject to only one version of it feels awful. Blue Sky does have a staging app for desktop. Do they? Yeah, it's staging.bluesky.bsky.social. Jesus Christ. I know. Didn't they change it to .app or something? .app.

Yes. Staging.BSKY.app. Anyway, talking about T2. Started by a bunch of ex-Twitter employees that got fired by Elon.

Or left. If you want to know anything about T2, all you need to know is that if you go to T2.social, it is basically our team. All of us are on T2. When I go to T2.social, I'm not logged in. It's two Marquez tweets, one from Ellis. Not tweets. T2s. Oh, what are they called? Tooties. Actually, toots makes way more sense on T2. It does. There's two T's in it.

T2 isn't the final name, though. Wait, but what? No, it's not? Yeah, no. They haven't released the actual... These things are all so confusing. Okay. There's Ellis, who got the handle at dad. Yeah, a lot of these just don't have enough users yet. It seems like Blue Sky is kind of snowballing towards getting more and more users. Seems like they're closest to being a real Twitter alternative to any of them. Yeah, right now, Blue Sky feels like all the people who either...

stopped using Twitter or said they were going to stop using Twitter went to Blue Sky and are blue skying over there sure and there are a few users who are getting like a lot of engagement like Casey Newton gets like a thousand likes on every every blue sky post which is cool yeah

But all of these others are just having problems. And I don't know. People are still on Twitter. Twitter is still technically growing. I think Twitter is still winning. Twitter is definitely still winning. My main concern for Twitter is if they're just going to default on their loans and eventually close the servers down. There's a lot of concerns with Twitter. I feel like I found trying all these new ones

I just go to all of them a lot less. I use Twitter way less than I used to. I feel like I'm mostly using it at work to keep up with stuff and to write stuff for the podcast and still some fun people to follow. But I look at it

On my phone, so much less. I'll say you have a little user ID when you sign up for T2, which is actually just the number of your joining the site. So I'm user ID number 630. And I think there's like 1,200 people on this website. So there's that. I have 298 followers on T2. So there you go. That's T2. There's this other one actually that I didn't tell you guys about, but I did want to bring up.

It has basically all the same users as Twitter. It has millions of users. It has video uploading, text uploading. It has ads. They're starting to do ads a little bit now. Substack notes. Basically every politician is on it. ESPN is on it. A lot of NBA players are on it. It's popping off is what I'm trying to say. It's got some business concerns, but as of right now, it's got the best service, I think. It's called Twitter. Twitter.

And I don't know. You should try it. I thought you were going to say YouTube. Yeah. No, it's just it's called Twitter.

Have I think there's probably a couple million people over there. Yes. It's pretty solid. You should you should give it a look Yeah, it's centralized though, which is pretty unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah, there's that well, it's on fire I would be happy if Twitter didn't you know actually burn to the ground eventually because I do like Twitter I have spent like 12 years growing like a like a community over there and it just kind of sucks if if that ends up going under and

I've had very good years on Twitter. - You're talking to somebody who built up a loyal Google+.

Bring it back. Like a very, very solid Google Plus. How did that feel, having that fall to the ground? It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. Yeah. We kind of saw, it was like a Jenga tower where you could like, if you're at the top of the tower, you could look down and you could see like the bricks starting to come out from the bottom and you're like, this is not going to end well. Yikes. So we had time. Social media platforms are temporary, but circles are forever, Marques. You always know. I don't think they are. Circles. Well, yeah.

The structure of Google+ lives on. Bring it back. Lives on. I will just say if Google+ was built on ActivityPub, you would have all those followers still. It just follows you. Adam, do you like ActivityPub or the app protocol more? Probably the app protocol. Well, we've talked a lot about Twitter alternatives. And so to finish the alliteration, trivia. Twitter trivia tra-alternatives.

We've talked a lot and gone nowhere about Twitter alternatives. What did we expect? That might be the title for this episode. Just like all of these alternatives. They've talked a lot and gone nowhere. Oh my God. All right, so yesterday...

Andrew and I shot a really funny video. And last night I went home and I put a bunch of the footage we shot of that video on my CRT. And all of this will make sense later, but it looked hilarious and weird. And that inspired... How did you do that? Maybe that's another Studio Channel video. Yeah.

But so it inspired today's CRT themed trivia question, which is a complete component AV signal requires five cables, three video cables and two audio cables. Can you name all five colors of those cables? You don't remember plugging the cables into the back of your TV? I do. And what color they were? I do remember. I was born in 1993. Yeah.

So you still have like 20 years before an HDMI cable in your hands. I think I know these. Never owned any. Oh, yeah. I think I know all of them, actually. I don't know if I know all five, but I definitely know four. Well, there's one point per color. One point per color? One point per color? That's brutal. That's insane. I'm getting destroyed by this one. That's going to jack the heck out of these points. Wow. There's five. That's an opportunity for you guys to catch up to me. You could just start naming colors. Component AV. Component AV. So remember, composite AV. Remember. Yeah.

was red yellow white exactly oh what wait don't say this out loud yeah aren't you saying them out no no composite av is red yellow white that's the three that's the three cable one we're talking about remember when you got your xbox 360 and you're like oh i can do this in hd now i think a gamecube had it possibly okay let's not say anything more anyway okay that's the question we'll be right back what if you could hear your favorite song for the first time again

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All it requires is all of your data. All of my data. And a lot of ads. Deal. Fine. Sure. Wait, more ads than normal? Oh, yeah.

Technically, yes. There's literally an extra screen to feed you at. Yeah. So there's this new TV that is being launched by the same guy that made Pluto TV, which I don't know if you guys have heard of that before. Nope. It's basically cable, but through streaming. They have a channel for effectively every single show that has ever been evered.

there's just like a home improvement show there is a Star Trek the Next Generation show or a channel sorry channel there's a home improvement channel Star Trek to the next generation channel a Rugrats channel and it just runs like episodes and it's a regular it's like regular cable TV where as chunks where it plays episodes one by one you can't select what you're playing you can only select the show this is legal that's the first thing I asked cost of it zero dollars what I know yeah Pluto TV how

So Samsung. There's ad breaks. There's ad breaks. It's exactly the same as cable where they play ads and that's how they pay the license. That's a lot of advertising. Except they charge you for cable and you have to watch ads. Yeah, cable is the worst deal actually because you have to pay for it and you watch ads. I mean, but you're saying none of this is live TV. It's just shows.

Yeah. Like if the game was on, I guess watch it on. Oh, no, no, no. Live TV. And I guess like new episodes. I'm assuming they're not getting the next episode of. I doubt it. It's not like TV show. That's not like when you're on cable. You're watching Nickelodeon and they're like next Thursday. We're playing the biggest new episode of SpongeBob. Like that doesn't happen on Pluto. It's more of a backlog of just like straight running through. It's like if you left Netflix on keep playing. This is like a worse version of YouTube.

YouTube doesn't have licensed shows, though. Yeah, you can't watch Spongebob episode four, the entire thing on YouTube. Unless somebody's turning it, mirroring it, and changing the pitch and the volume or whatever. But you can't do that on Pluto either. You can just watch Spongebob and they'll serve you episodes. Yeah, they serve you Spongebob, yeah. And you'll hope you get the episode you're hoping to watch. But during COVID, when I was living with Michael Fisher, I would just randomly walk in at like 2 a.m. and he would just be like...

Like out on the couch. With three different folding phones on his face. With three different folding phones on his face. Us usually asleep with like Star Trek The Next Generation playing on Pluto TV. And it would just cycle Star Trek ad, Star Trek ad. Got it. Got it.

Anyway, back to the TV. So this service, the Pluto TV service is not very new. We watched this a lot during COVID. And there's also, I think, Samsung TV is basically the same thing. And it's built into all Samsung smart TVs. They basically have a similar service. Yeah, I've seen that. But the guy that started Pluto is literally going to be making a TV. It's a 4K 55-inch TV. My goodness.

It has two displays, actually looks really attractive, very thin bezels with a big sound bar built in right below the main TV. And then a second display that shows things like stock tickers, sports team scores. And then the bottom right corner just has a constantly cycling ad.

Yeah, it actually says so that it can display ads and there also are widgets that can show that so I don't know if it's always that or you pick the widgets or if the ad I can only assume that can also take over that entire screen. So you don't put duct tape over that corner. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but it's called Tele. It uses Tele OS and

And it has a bunch of inputs. You can add things like, you know, your Apple TV, your switch, whatever. It's basically a TV, but it has a really long terms of service. The terms of service basically says that it has to be connected to your Wi-Fi connection at all times. You cannot disconnect it from Wi-Fi for more than like a few minutes or what stops working. Basically, they will force you to send it back or they will charge you five hundred dollars. Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff. If my Wi-Fi goes down, which it has gone down for 24 hours, what? I'm sure they can figure that stuff out. They'll probably work with you. I'm sure they can do that. So like they say, if we discover you're not abiding by the requirements above or have disconnected the product from an internet connection or Wi-Fi for more than short periods each month, you will no longer be able to use the service and you must return any products in your possession.

or else you get a $500 fine. And there's also like, what I find really funny is you can opt out of data sharing, which just means then they'll shut the TV off and then you have to return it or else you pay a $500 fine, which I think is wild. But I mean, let's be real, we all understand that the way they're making money on this is selling the data. And like for free,

Sure. That's like an interesting way of doing this. I do want to know, when you return the TV, are you paying or are they giving you a return? No idea. Because returning a 55-inch TV is not easy. So definitely save the box if anyone decides to do this. It's also at freetelly.com, which if I got a text message randomly that said, like, get a free TV at freetelly.com, I'd be like, the amount of... Terrible domain. The malware I would be getting from that website would be wild. Also, when you say...

You mean my TV watching data? It's a combination of stuff. Well, and the ads they're serving you and like if you're

There's a camera on the TV that does have a privacy filter. The privacy filter is over the camera by default. But I think you have to open it up for certain things. I'm a little confused on that part. They're definitely collecting it. And the username you use I think has to be your name or something. It can't abide by someone else. So you can't use all fake information. So if you're in a position where you can't afford a nice TV and you

you are looking to get one and you're okay with dishing out all your user information, which let's be real, all of us kind of are on the internet already. So this feels like a step further. To this unknown company.

Listen, if that's the sacrifice you want to make to have a 55-inch 4K TV, and I know there are people out there that would do that for sure. The thing is, do you guys use Roku TV by any chance? I don't. I have a Roku TV. It's like one of the best-selling TVs, like the TCL Roku ones. They already do this, and you're paying for the TV. They take your data and sell it. So I'm wondering how much data is this thing taking? I am wondering. They did also... I found this really interesting. There's a part where it says...

ads might utilize both displays when you're not using the TV. So does that mean when I have it off, is there just going to be a double-screened full ad for Pepsi in my living room? That's a deal-breaker for me. That feels...

That feels a little weird. I'm not a fan of that. That's the do-breaker. It has advanced sensors that it says for fitness and interactive gaming, HD camera for video calling, mic array. It's got a Kinect. The more you say about this TV, the worse it sounds. Yeah. It's got like biometrics. It's like looking at me on the couch.

And I have to share that data associated with my real name. Yeah. I don't like it. One of their quotes are, hundreds of things we are thinking about to create the most engaging ad experience ever. Which is the last thing I want from my corporate thing I've ever done. You know what I always thought about? Like, technically, if you asked me, do you want

no one to have any of your data, but none of the ads will be, they won't make any sense to you. You'll just get like an ad for Pampers and then an ad for vegetables and then an ad for contact lenses, like nothing makes any sense. Or do you want ads to actually make sense to you?

And I guess if you gave me the choice, I would say I'd rather have ads that do make sense so that I can find things that I actually like. This is literally the Facebook, like, would you like to allow the site to track you button that Apple messed up for Facebook last year. Yeah. Because Facebook's whole angle was like,

do you want just random ads that are being thrown at you that have nothing to do with you? Like, you know, cause I turned it off. I turned off, uh, ad tracking just to see what would happen. I started getting ads for like lingerie things that don't make any sense. Like, yeah, yeah. Things that make no sense for me. And, um, when he turned back on, I started getting it make no sense.

Wow. When I turn it back on, I start getting ads for like film camera stuff. Right. Like I'm not going to say I'm immune to ads. Like I have gotten ads for things where I've gone, oh, yeah, I'm going to get one. I bought a pair of pants from an ad I got once, which is like –

I got all the time. I got, yeah. I just bought a Ninja Creamy. I got influenced so damn hard. I got influenced. It was rough. Yeah. So is that, I guess, yeah, if you just want to turn that dial all the way up, this is your product. Yeah. The funny thing is the TV actually looks kind of dope. Dude, I love the second screen on it, to be honest. Like, if I could do that without ads and control some cool stuff on there, like, if I could watch hockey and then have...

Other hockey scores on the bottom or whatever. You can opt out of everything and they just charge you $500 and like 500 bucks for a 4K screen TV doesn't seem... Well, you can't buy it. You can opt out and then not return it and then pay the fee. But no, they said if you opt out, it will shut off services though, I think. So I don't... You can't use it at all?

I'm sure there's some hacky way of doing it. Yeah, within a year, Samsung is going to make a dual screen with a soundbar in the middle TV just like this, and it's going to be awesome. Yeah. I would love, yeah, like watching F1 and it has the, all the race, like the leader and everything underneath that and time and sectors and stuff. Like there's so many cool things that could be down there. Dual screens. Is this just a touch bar for a computer? No.

It's better that you can't touch it. I mean, it does depend on programming taking advantage of the bar, but yeah. This is more like the Asus dual-screen laptop that has that second display on the bottom. Yeah, I'm in. Back in the 50s and 60s, it didn't really make it to the 70s, but you would find...

like two or three screen TVs where it would all be in one cabinet and you'd have one main display and then two sort of like fist sized displays. What? So the idea is that you could like be watching whatever program you watch and then like keep an eye on the game. Hmm.

I like that. It's like picture. It's, it's hardware picture in picture. Sort of. Yeah. Except you picture like a big, you know, wooden cabinet. Yeah. And then, you know, your main picture too, but then two sort of smaller. I like that hardware picture in picture. Picture out of picture. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Um, I do think there's some people that could benefit from this, but just know, you know,

your life is out there pretty much they're gonna have everything on you some advertisers going but they're gonna target you with the perfect ad yeah they're gonna hit you with the are you hungry right now for sushi like you usually get at this hour on this day we got you well that's that's probably usually on the couch eating cheetos right now but it looks like you're all out would you like to order someone completely compromise my privacy but you know what i do want some cheetos right now

That's a good place to end it. Yeah, it's not sponsored. Yeah, definitely not sponsored We should we should answer our trivia questions, which of course are super super easy this week Listen last week we went too soft. So this week we had to bring the pain Yeah, how is it soft when I'm the only one that got the right answers? Don't question it To bring the pain for everyone. Yep

Blame David. Okay, update on the scores. Marquez has 14. Andrew has 9. David has 15. Will Andrew get double digits by the end of the trivia season? Will he get all five colors in Ellis' question? You could tie David. What, you don't think I can get the first question right? You could tie me. Well, yeah. Okay, so the first question. The color at wavelength 464.2 nanometers is what?

That's basically what it all boils down to. I just... This is going to be so wrong and I'm going to get so laughed at by all those optical engineers out there. Do you want a hint? No. No. No. No hint. No hint? I want to know the trick. It's not a trick. It's just like general knowledge thing. General knowledge. That's what we'll call this. Very specific general knowledge. General knowledge. All right. Flip him and read. What do you think? I don't know, man.

I put white, which is not a color. Marques, what'd you put? I wrote gray. Nope. That's a loop. I wrote blue. Correct!

How? Blue is at 164. I literally picked the easiest color I could possibly think of. And the waiting color behind you is blue. How did you know that? When you said, well, hold on. When you said, do you want a hint? I said no because I was like, he's going to say something about these damn lights. Although I had blue in already. The hint was that 700 nanometers is red. That's at the other end.

Tell me the visible spectrum. I know that blue to like blue to infrared blue to red is like the spectrum Yeah, that's why I knew white was wrong. I just had no like I was like that would Adam I just figured you can either I thought that you guys would choose either blue or red I guess I one end of that was right. That was my row reading Christ I did I was like I need to pick a simple I was gonna air so there's like a 30% I was gonna pick red and then I was like, you know, I know it's just

You know what I'm I yeah Andrew I'm proud for you. Thank you. You don't see I'm happy for you. No, I am. No, I'm legitimately happy. It's a smiling face mask with the tears Okay, well now I know 400 and what? 464.2 and what is red? Red is around 700. I don't know exactly the the actual .2 that was just specifically for this general knowledge color gamut and

It's around 400 to 500 is ultraviolet and blue and 700-ish is red. I'm pulling that out on my next date. Just let you know. Green is... This just feels like everything I learned in school. It's like you learn it till you write it on paper and forget it. Green is somewhere in the middle. I don't know what... Yeah, white's not a... White's all the colors, so... Yeah, that's the first thing I wrote. And then I wrote gray and I'm like, that's not in the right value. Gray is just a luminance level of white. Yeah. That's the thing. Obviously. Yeah. It's a...

It's not a chroma. It's a luma. Next question. All right, question two. A complete component AV signal requires five cables. Five. One, two, three, four, five. Three for video and two for audio. Can you name all five colors of those cables? We just talked about this not that long ago, so I better get this right. Did we?

Like two weeks ago, this got brought up for some reason. What? Just Alice and I were. No, no, no, no. Just Alice and I in the studio. You were talking about component cables? Yeah. Because we were talking about S-video. That's right. Yeah. Wait, is there purple? This is absurd. Is there purple? I think there's purple. I'm out of time. I'm out of touch. You're out of time. You know what I'm saying?

All right, who wants to read it first? Oh, wait. Okay, the circled ones? I just wrote a bunch of colors and then circled the ones that I think. Because I just learned that gray is not a color. Yeah, red, green, and blue. Wait, you got to read them one by one. Oh, okay. So for video, I picked red, green, and blue. And then for audio, I picked black and white. White is correct. Oh.

Wait, we didn't have to name which ones they were right? We just have to know okay colors. Yeah, I got four out of five Red yellow Oh no sound that one there we go white blue Green red yellow white blue green Wow, I tie out a conniption there. There's no yellow. That's my bad. There's no wait. There's no yellow There is no yellow in a component. Is it purple? It's not purple What did you write?

Wait, Andrew, how many did you get? You got four out of five? You got four out of five. Red. Yellow. Green. White. All right, I got three. Three for five? The last color component was a second red. Oh, yeah. There's two red cables. How do you get it right if you're plugging them in and there's two red? Because they're different shades, right? No, because one of them is red audio and one of them is red video.

Okay. Yeah. Can you tell me the difference between component and composite? I would absolutely love to. So a composite. I knew you would. I was teeing you up for that because I absolutely knew that you would just love to. You know how you can modulate multiple signals into one cable? Well, think of it this way, right?

Red and luminance, the difference in blue and luminance, you're able to extract your green values, you know, via that equation. And then you have your full color signal. I like that I just learned that the components would be like the components of the signal. Yeah. And if anyone... Composite is a composited...

I always thought there was just... I always just thought there was another two colors that got added to the original three, the OG three. No. So why does the composite cable have two audio signals? Is it channels? Left and right. Yeah, it's left and right. Wow. And if you really want to impress your date... Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partners with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Vane Sill. Marques also looks like he's just going to disappear. I want to know, though.