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This is Verge and Waveform, trivia extravaganza. You probably might not know my name if you're under Vergecast feed. I am Adam Molina, the producer of Waveform. I'm Ellis Roven, the other producer of Waveform. And we are going to pit the hosts of our two podcasts together today. How are you guys feeling? Terrified. Terrified.

It was good and now it's bad. They were only asking you guys because this idea was so much better five minutes ago Great, this is great. It's really sitting next to like a hardened competitor like market. It's like your confidence really drops I will say he is extremely competitive He's been plotting for weeks on this and we only found out about it like a week ago But he knew somehow been researching just various things. I

So if you've never listened to our trivia game before, we do things in a pretty not unusual way. We're going to pose a question. You guys each have a whiteboard. Excuse me. Let me backpedal a little bit. We have three categories of questions for you tonight. Each category, each team will select one contestant to answer all the questions in that category. After you figured out your answer, write it on your whiteboard, flip it around, say it aloud, and we'll award you points or not. How are we feeling? Ready to go?

i'm ready yes all right with that let's kick off some trivia oh my god trivia yeah dude let's go yeah all right all right the first category is were you paying attention were you paying attention questions about the minutia of wwdc 2023

You bet I would. Wait, so just like details? We have to pick our fighters, right? Yeah. So you guys need to pick. Who do you want to answer this question? I love the idea of this being David v. David. Yeah. We're allowed to confer. Were you paying attention? Over here. All right. Were you paying attention? They can't stop us. Wait, David, were you paying attention? I think so. Okay. I was live blogging, which means I was brain like water. Just everything came out into my fingers and immediately left my way. The problem, David, is we were all live blogging. I know. All right.

All right, I'm ready. It's hard because I don't hear it. Andrew, did you remember? Do you want to show us? I was capturing you being upset at the Mac Pro not coming a couple times. I think I was paying attention. But the hard thing is we don't know the other categories. David, I've heard a lot of excuses. Let's go. David v. David. Go. David v. David. Who will be the best David? All right. First question. Oh, God. How does the new Compass app show waypoint altitude to users?

Write it down. Flip them. Why is he writing already? What's going on over there? I mean, I don't know if this is correct, but I have an idea. I don't understand. All right. I'm going to give you. Oh, you don't understand the question. That sounds like a you problem. That's true. Hit me with it one more time. The new compass app on the watch now displays the altitude of your waypoint.

how does it visually express that altitude to the user? - I see. - I like that, David. - Five. - I'm correct. - It's lines. - You guys should have had this done a long time ago. - Three, two, one, let's flip. - What you got? - Pop-up bubbles. - 3D space. - Those are technically the same answer.

I'll give it to you. We'll say correct. So you each get one for both of us? Both? Okay. The answer we had bring down was the height of the stock, but both of those seem to match. What? What does that even mean? It's one of those games. All right. Cool. All right. All right. Settle down. Settle down. This is my game. This is my game. All right. Let's go. All right.

All right. I think neither of us should have gotten that, but I'll take that. What is the rest of the story? Listen, listen, we're going to be great on a curve here. All right, ready? Craig mentioned a new machine learning function coming to the home screen of iPadOS. What was it?

Coming to the home screen. I'm staring blankly at each other. There was a widget. I'm trying to communicate with my eyes. David, I think we paid the same amount of attention. I missed the question. He's right. I also missed the question. So apparently I wasn't paying attention. Three. Oh. Two. Faster. One. What are your answers? You got to write. You got to write. Okay. Let's see it, guys. I put multiple timers. Multiple timers. Oh, no. It's suggested apps in the spotlight search.

- Oh, is that on the home screen? That might be an acceptable answer. - Yes. - Let's get moving. - The answer we were looking for was frame interpolation on live photos.

Oh, the wallpaper. Wait, that's the one where he was like, Earth looks amazing at this scale, and he was holding an 11-inch iPad? How did they get that right then? Because I believe that is machine learning to do the smart stacks, unless it's not on the home screen. I would not. You do? It's a swipe away, but we'll give it to you. I don't think I should have gotten that one. Machine learning? Because I got it. Machine learning? I don't think that's machine learning. Ha ha!

that's a markov chain all right so we'll take it back wait did you take it back yeah i don't deserve that i don't think so either thank you there's a weird third david team on the stage right now yeah we should form our own team david's against each other this is just next to make our own team what was the color of the first 15-inch macbook air that they showed in the presentation

The first one? The first one when they announced it. 15 inch. And this is again is the 15 inch MacBook Air. Yeah, the 15 inch. Dang. Five. Dan is very confidently whispering. Three, two, one. Flip them and read, boys. What do you got? I put black. Starlight. Read them one at a time, please. Black.

That's not even a part. I know. I said it like 20 times right next to him. That is correct. I was wrong anyway. Finally, the Davids have been split apart again. This is bad. Black is a hardcore answer. There are four possible answers and you picked a fifth. I would like to point out that there are zero Apple products named Black.

Yeah, space-grade, midnight. Were you mouthing it to me? I was saying midnight. So you're saying the wrong answer. I was wrong, but at least it was an answer. At least it was in the circle. Anyway, whatever. It probably was starlight, and then I was like, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It was. They said it was, right? All right, all right, all right. We gave you the smart stack point back.

I'm really regretting not rewatching this two and a half hour keynote. During WWDC 2023, what made Craig exclaim, we truly live in a world of wonders? Okay. That one. Dan's on it.

five yeah yeah four yeah they're paying attention that was our timer that was a good credit multiple timers wave david yeah multiple times okay multiple timers wave wave dave okay um my pen is virtually got it do you have that other pen yeah that what happened this is great that's the first one i've been confident about yeah with my feet if my shoes were off this would be easier you can just just saying you can just

David, you can just pick up the marker. David, you don't... David, take off your shoes. Oh my God. I didn't know your show had so many pratfalls. Sorry, audio listeners, we're passing a marker down. Okay, next question. If I used my toes, I would have been... In the intro where there's a man chasing the bubble, what were the final words that appeared on the screen? Oh, the bubble. Dream it, chase it, blank. What were those last words? I thought that was going to be multiple choice. Oh, it's...

five four three two One flip him and read. I'm wave David. I mean, what do you got this says? Make it happen Wow, I believed Marquez coding. Yeah. Oh my god level of paying attention Well, I just thought I thought it was so funny that it stuck in the mind. Yeah, we still have three Are we looking for an easier question or a harder question easier or easier?

Yeah, okay. Easier. Not a lot of confidence in his feet. Do I get a point for that? The next point should be, can you pick up a marker with your feet? My shoes were off.

I have very opposable toes. Oh my God. How many Pro Display XDRs can the new Mac Studio support? All right. I've never seen Marques lean over faster in my entire life. Yes. Everyone on Twitter was asking who is going to use this many XDRs. And I was like, Studio Pro. Studio Pro. Pro Display XDRs, please. Can the Mac Studio? Oh, yes. The Mac Studio. That is correct. Oh. I'm pretty sure I'm still right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What I said.

Five, four, three, two, one. What do you read? Wave, David, what do you got? Six. What is that number? I said six. It was an eight before. I also said six.

Two correct answers from the Davids. Was it 10 million? That's not a new shirt. Can we dock off like a quarter? For not being able to write a six? That's the tiebreaker. If we tie at the end, we lose for that six. We turned an eight into a six. Because the Mac Pro does eight. And we knew that. When I draw with my hands, my hands cramp up. And so I just kind of. You should draw with your feet.

That's a great idea. That's a different show. We should cut that out. That's the regular Waveform show. Verge Cast 5, Waveform 3. That's right. All right. Next question. We need to make moves here. Harder answer now? Let's really think about this one. Was that the easy one or the hard one? You want me to? Yeah. Let's do two more. Okay. Next question. Oh, God. Apple added advanced metrics and features for two sports on the Apple Watch with their own slides. What were they? You got it, right? Wait. Wait.

Clarification? Yeah. Okay. Were they native apps or third-party apps? Native apps. Excellent question. I misunderstood the question. Five, four, three, two, one. Flip them and read. Let's go Verge, David. What do you got? Hiking and cycling. Okay. Is hiking a sport? I don't know, but that's what they had it as. If you do it hard enough. Bad take, Andrew. David, what'd you say? I had a different answer. I said cycling and hiking. Okay.

- Ooh, good. - Very nice, yes. - This is the last question of this round and I'm gonna hit you guys with a doozy. - David, I just want you to know, I think we're both doing a really good job. - What is going on here? - That David's doing way better. - He's trying to trick you into getting this wrong. - You do sportsmanship at the end. - But is he doing real sportsmanship or just me up because he is already doing better than me? - What studio monitors were in the background of the opening shot of the opening cinematic

of WWDC23. - What, studio model? - I will accept a model number or a brand. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, wow, wow. Were you paying attention? Oh yeah. - I remember that one. - Five, four, three, two, one. Flip 'em and read. Wave, David, what do you got? - Are you writing right now? - Yeah. - Okay. - For you. - David, I'm waiting for an answer. - For you, that's okay. Genelec.

What? Oh wait, no we changed our answer. It's too late. My answer is the ones Marques has. Uh-huh, no. The correct answer was KRK rockets. Were they really? They were. They looked exactly like that. Those are old. They can be noticed by their distinctive yellow circles. Right, right. Yellow circles. I thought they meant displays. Can we have five rounds? Yes.

In the interest of time, we're going to keep it rolling. All right. The second category for today's show is G Fuel Flavors.

That's right. We are going to read you a G Fuel flavor, and you have to tell me if it is a real flavor or if I made it up in my hotel room last night. I don't like that you're so confident about being ready for this. Dan, can you lie? We already have... Okay. I mean, I'll take the category. I don't know what G Fuel is. How did you guys make those sounds? Did I do that in the...

I had like 11 o'clock last night and he's just recording into his microphone and showing me what he's coming up with. Ellis, can we please get a definition of G Fuel and can I have it used in a sentence? G Fuel is a powder that becomes a liquid or you either buy it as a liquid and it makes you game better. That's very generic. Can I have the language of origin, please?

I unfortunately cannot enlighten you. It's New Jersey. All right. The first flavor of G Fuel we have today is blood, sweat, and tears. It is a cinnamon candy flavor. Oh, wait. We never picked a contestant for this. I take it back. All right. Blood, sweat, and tears. Cinnamon candy flavor. Real or fake? Three.

Do you want our help? One. I trust Andrew entirely with this because I have no idea. I got this, but I don't like knowing that I got this. I hope I got it. Does this group consume G Fuel? No. I like making fun of G Fuel, which is why I know more about it than... Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. Yeah, I know. You got to know your own. No one look at my background. I'm obsessed with it, ironically. Yeah, I got you. All right. Until it's not. All right.

Real or fake? Revealing. Fake. I'm going with real. Wow. It is a real flavor. Andrew, what? Oh, no. Oh, my God. We're drinking. I think Andrew is tossing the segments. We don't know how much he likes G Fuel. All right. Give me a research. What is this last category? Jesus. Thank you. The second flavor is...

- Amnesty. Amnesty is a pina colada flavor. - That's fake. I'm sorry. - If it's real, it should be fake. - That can't be real. - That's a good way to think of G Fuel though.

That's true. If you think it should be fake, it's probably fake. I think the entire concept of G Fuel, if it's real, should be fake. Three, two, one. I have real. I'm going with fake. All right. Amnesty is a fake flavor. That's amazing. That's like Kendall Jenner in the Pepsi ad. It's very obvious that gamers do not drink Kia Kolatas. That's true.

That's a great context. They'd rather drink cinnamon candy versus a pina colada. We're getting slayed. We've been giving Andrew a lot of crap and Dan's just over here getting all the answers. I just want to point that out. The next flavor is Brimstone. Brimstone is a cran raspberry flavor.

That sounds real. That sounds real. Yeah, it feels real. But Ellis is also really good. Just like... Write whatever I'm saying that out. Okay. Three, two... Pick a number. Look at him. He's holding his card like on a plane. Flip him around. Andrew, you said... Why do we keep going... Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

We already lost this game. We have to have five rounds. Brimstone is exactly the sort of word that if you're targeting a teenage gamer, you use. I think so. What was the flavor, though, again? You said fake. Brimstone was Crayon Raspberry. That sounds like too good of a flavor. No, that is perfectly targeted. It sounds like something you hear in the Doom game when you eat the boss. No, I agree with that completely. I think that I thought he was tricking us with that. Cranberry for gamers? I don't know. Oh, he thought it was too real. I think it sounds too much like a nice cocktail. That's all right.

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G Fuel Passion. I think that's fake. I feel like... At this point, so I can blame you, dude. Wait, well... One. Flip. I'm going with fake. Fake.

Type O is a real flavor of G Fuel. I thought it was just too on brand. You can't tell this because I'm brown, but I'm like embarrassed. Like I'm like blushing and how stupid this entire situation is. All right. Why do we use this for one of the three segments? This is so much talking about G Fuel. The final flavor of G Fuel for this round is bee sting.

B-Sting is a fruity cereal with a dash of honey. I think that's real. You know, like when you're watching an embarrassing TV show and you have to leave the room? I want out of this room so bad. Then that's going to have to be good. Is B-Sting a real flavor? Flip them around. Going with fake. Fake. B-Sting is fake, but there is a flavor called Scorpion Sting.

Guys, I got a point. Nice. Let's go. I don't feel so bad anymore. I can't believe I ran that game. Great job, Dan. I never heard of G Fuel. A well-disguised knowledge of G Fuel over there. We kind of have to have more rounds because otherwise we already lost. We didn't tell you this, but Dan starts raw G Fuel. I don't even mix it.

Just line the powder up. This next round is a favorite of ours here on Waveform Trivia. It is our audio round. Oh, boy. It is our audio round. Oh, I love this shit. We are going to play you a famous sound. Yes. And you have to tell us its source. Oh, crap. So as an example, if you heard...

Windows XP, baby. Exactly. I would not accept Windows, but I would accept Windows XP. You do not need to be as specific as Windows XP startup sound. Windows XP would be enough. Oh, just like a general. Platinum, home, like a feel. But if you had said Windows, that is not specific. I'm going to start up sound in the Apple office. Home edition. That's the example. The SWAT team is here. Right, right, right.

uh they're gonna be coming a lot today all right all right this is marquez versus nilai yeah yeah let's do it the first sound is i'm gonna try david's very upset with me i know this oh yeah it's easy

I'm not upset with you. I'm not. I wrote Netflix to Doom. I need to write bigger is what I just learned. That is correct. I also wrote Netflix. I love it. Sick. If I had gotten a perfect score, then I'd be upset with you. It's a slippery slope. But I messed up a lot. The media ones. Also, I would have... Random number generator would have done just as well. The next sound is... Can I hear it again? Yes. He's writing me, like...

5, 4, 3, 2, 1. This is such a dark guess. Shot in the dark. Some PlayStation startup sound. Which PlayStation? Ah.

Yeah, that's a wrong one. Never mind. PS5. That was the PS3. I cheated and it didn't matter. I don't get points for that. That was an Xbox guy at that time. Yeah, baby. Taking me back.

Taking me back. I'm pretty confident about that one. Let's flip them around. Marques, what do you got? I used Skype a lot back in the day. Skype. Skype. Two correct answers. I think Skype still looks the best, by the way. Like the app? That's my feeling. Yeah. I haven't used it in years, so I don't actually know. Probably better than WebEx. Let's move on to our next sound. Hard-shotted Apple inside the Apple building again. I'm just saying.

We tested out a few Apple sounds for this, but we either found they were too obvious or it would be impossible. I guess that's the beauty of Apple sound design. Up next, we have... Oh, easy. I don't know, actually. Dan is confident. I was joking. Can you play it again? Which one, though? Can you play it again? I'm... I'm just saying...

The soundstage of that was high enough I can see the animation when I hear it I just don't remember if you can you you had that five no I didn't for then. How do you see it? One flip him and read I said the PS Vita

I said Dolby Atmos. That was the Xbox Series X startup sound. Don't listen to me ever again. What was that? You said it so confidently. You're leaning back in your chair. I thought it was Dolby Digital. Dang. I did too. Are we tied right now? Can we have five rounds? Wait, did you guys also think there was a hype channel? I heard some whisper about, did that sound high enough?

No, no, I was like is the soundstage of the PS Vita high enough to actually encapsulate this mmm. No I thought I meant the Z channel of the nevermind. We're nerds. All right up next. That's exactly Oh Shit, oh, can we hear it again? I know that I know absolutely I hate this damn. That's it. It's in my brain. Yeah Five it's some game again four three two one

Okay, I'm saying it. Any guesses? Yeah. It can't be right. I don't. I wrote MetaQuest. Sorry.

It was a shot in the dark. It kind of was. Eli, you're really pushing it. I know. I wrote PS5 this time. I knew it was wrong. Unfortunately, that is the Hulu startup sound. That is the sound when you load the Hulu app. Do you know why I know this? I've never launched it in my life. I want to admit this to you. I know this because my wife is watching the Hillsong documentary on Hulu right now, and I've heard that sound a lot, and I thought to myself, this causes me pain, and then I immediately leapt to the PS5. That is so epic. No, because when I turn on my PS5, the Apple TV fights it.

So it's like, this is a sound to hear before something dumb happens. When I turn on my LG TV, the PS5 also boots up and then fights the Chromecast. Yeah, it's weird. We're nerds. It's weird. Wait, what's the score right now for this category? Adam, what's our score? We lost. Verge cast 12. Yeah. Waveform 7. Yikes. Come on, boys, you're making us look bad. The Vigil category was really just a random number generator. I don't know.

that's like a hamster like picking stocks that's basically what the g fuel category was no we nailed it we got one wrong dan was he's gonna have a package of g fuel all right this next one we're gonna throw it back just a few years all right oh a few years throwbacks don't hit me uh is this one more time play it again there's a game console that's all i know

let's go five four three two one and a half one and three quarters one flipperman reed uh marquez what is that my mark is crapping out but i said playstation 2. i'm sorry i wrote wii u

Yeah. Guys, this is Windows 98, unfortunately. Oh, wow. No one used Windows 98. Everyone skipped from 95 to 2000 when they went to the NT court. Come on. All hospitals everywhere disagree. Are you even a nurse? I was in the hospital when I was 17 years old. I was barely alive. All right. We have six minutes left. Are you online yet? I just got burned for being old on top of not knowing Windows 98. We can do one more round within six minutes. Let's do it. Hit it.

One more category or you want to keep going through the audio? One more category. One more category. Oh, yeah. I like that. Okay. I like that. Okay. Yeah, well. So six questions. We'll start with you guys and then we run down six questions. And how far ahead are we?

like seven five points we really should stop it you're probably still gonna win how many g fuel questions are left zero but the next category is air force one all questions about craig federighi oh boy all right interesting interesting okay

about things to get on stage. All right, first question. We all remember Craig's iconic slow-mo run from WWDC 2022, but what announcement was he running to? Okay, the slow-mo transition. He ran downstairs. It became a meme all over the place. He was just running straight. He was already in like a... The slow-mo transition? Oh. Was it? Was that the MacBook Air? What? I think it was... Five. This was a mistake. Four. Maybe. Speed, right? Three. Yeah, let's go with that. Two. One. That's a good guess.

Marquez? He was running down to M2. Damn. All right. I've written iOS question mark. The correct answer was iPad OS. That's what I said. This is the same thing. That's true. It's not the same thing. If iOS question mark is not for PlayStation, then you don't get credit for iOS. iOS question mark kind of is iPad OS, though. Honestly. I said PlayStation. I was right. And I whispered iPad OS into my microphone. Please. So I passed this? Whispered. We can all hear the same amounts.

Well, clearly my boss did not hear me. You could have said iPadOS. The next question is... We need these points, man. G Fuel. No more G Fuel. We're done with G Fuel. Why did we do that category? Craig started working with Steve Jobs at a company that was not Apple. That company was called what? Oh, Jesus Christ.

Was not alive yet. Oh Stop burning me cuz I'm old I was already 25 years old. I'd had five jobs. I think it's this right? Yeah Right. I have no I've

four yeah I think we get three two answers two I don't what does that say one nevermind just David Pierce I believe the company is called next that is correct and that is your 13th point as this is mine I also says it didn't work way to go David way to go David I was not yet alive David's tearing it up over here I was super alive bro the internet I was living the dream with my next cube

Never heard of this company. All right, Ellis. We knew that. All right. Craig Federighi once rickrolled the audience at WWDC. What Apple app was he showing off new features for when he did this? What Apple app? Say it again. He once rickrolled the audience at WWDC. Which Apple app was he showing off during the demo when he did this? And this is an Apple first-party application.

Craig is in his home just weeping right now at how little you guys pay attention. Rick Rold. Rick Rold, like, fully, like, played this. He was playing the song. And it was 2014. The song. It was dubbed up 2014? 2015. Thank you. 2015. That's probably when that came out. Yeah, it wasn't a year. Five. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Four. Three. Two. They know too much. And one. I don't like this at all. This feels too obvious. Andy? Put Apple Music. Sorry. iMovie.

The correct answer was Safari. I did it! I should have just said Safari. I said that and we erased it. Oops. Here's a simpler one. This is too easy. I was on the G Fuel curve of sounding too plausible. That's my turn again? We're going to blow through these. It's the next cube. At least six points, right?

Can I make up the questions? I'm so sorry. Absolutely not. Just send it. For what it's worth, you're going to lose anyway, Marcus. All right, cool. Two more questions in the Craig round.

First question. Craig almost always wears a shirt of a shade of what color? That's too easy. I need a good five-point question. That's true. I still think we'd lose. I believe you. I'm pretty sure I'm right. Do you not immediately know? No. Is it weird that I know that? I knew that too, actually. Am I weird? I don't know. I knew that too. One.

It's definitely blue. Two correct answers. A lot of jeans on stage. Our last Craig question. Finally the question was what color was the shirt. Pay attention. I will save the game for you guys. I'm ending. I'm sorry, Craig. I'm ending the Craig round here. We have time for one more question. The question is, and this is a David V. David question, but all are welcome to chime in.

What is the flagship Vox Media technology podcast? Do you want a serious answer? It's the weeds. Wait, it's just right. What's on the back? Oh, yeah. Three, two, one. Flip them and read. Verge form.

The phrase you're looking for is the God. Wow. David threw you a bone. I'm just going to say you're both wrong for some reason.

And now those are our questions for this evening, guys. Thanks, G Fuel. In second place, we have Waveform with nine points. No, first place in our hearts. Come on now. That was super fun. Flagship Vox Media Technology Podcast, maybe?

- What? - The waveform podcast, obviously. - Our winners of trivia this evening, Verge Cast with 14 points. - Give it up for G Fuel, our sponsor. - Well done, Dan. - Well done, Dan. - Well done, Dan. - Well played, mostly Dan. - Dan did great job. - He did better. - Nilay Marquez, take us out. - Yeah. - Rock and roll. - Rock and roll. How do you guys end your show?

just peter thanks for watching yeah we usually just peter no that was super fun thank you all for watching it was incredible we got we're gonna do more collabs in the future this was a really great time brimstone for life now you can say it rock and roll there you go oh nice