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How Trump's Chaos Is Becoming Normal

2025/6/2
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Jane Koston: 我是Jane Koston,这是《What A Day》节目。本节目将讨论特朗普政府暂时取消对大约50万移民的驱逐保护,以及爱荷华州共和党参议员Joni Ernst淡化了人们对医疗补助削减可能导致死亡的担忧。自从特朗普再次上任以来,发生了很多事情,感觉既像很久以前,又像昨天。特朗普政府在贸易、公民权、大学资助、联邦工人就业、移民和人道援助等方面采取了一系列行动,这些行动让人感到震惊和疲惫。人们可能已经找到了一些应对方法,比如减少新闻摄入,多花时间陪伴家人朋友,或者远离社交媒体。人们对华盛顿特区每天发生的疯狂事件感到不那么震惊,这是一种正常的现象,我们会适应新的常态,混乱变得熟悉。 M. Gessen: 我在俄罗斯生活和报道时,经历了普京巩固权力时期的类似现象。起初是震惊,然后随着时间的推移,越来越少的事情让我们感到惊讶。这种无法震惊的状态,一部分是因为事情的数量和速度,另一部分是因为特朗普同时在所有战线上发起攻击。这让我们适应了这种混乱,就像生活在一个战争国家。我们需要认识到,这种稳定感是一种错觉,它掩盖了日益增长的不稳定性。我们需要从俄罗斯的经验中吸取教训,认识到归属感的政治吸引力,以及极权主义领导人总是挥舞着稳定的胡萝卜,同时制造越来越大的不稳定,以便人们就范。我们需要继续报道加沙的苦难,即使没有人阅读,也要为历史留下记录,并试图打破这种熟悉感。我们必须认识到,适应这种混乱会让我们变得更糟,我们的目标是不失去一切,并抵制它,以便我们能够重新获得对未来的愿景、复杂性和自由空间。 Joni Ernst: 我对医疗补助的削减进行了辩护,认为这只是打击浪费、欺诈和滥用行为。对于那些担心医疗补助削减可能导致死亡的人,我回应说:‘我们都会死的。’ Howard Lutnick: 我为总统绕过国会并利用广泛的紧急权力征收关税的权利进行了辩护。即使法院最终在此案中做出对特朗普不利的裁决,他的政府也可以利用其他权力来代替。 Kevin Hassett: 我有信心法院会支持特朗普根据《国际紧急经济权力法》征收关税的权力。如果法官做出荒谬的声明,我们将有其他替代方案来确保我们再次使美国贸易公平。

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This chapter explores the normalization of chaos under the Trump administration, drawing parallels to Putin's Russia. It discusses the public's coping mechanisms and the implications of this normalization for American society.
  • Normalization of chaos under Trump administration
  • Parallels drawn to Putin's Russia
  • Public's coping mechanisms
  • Impact of normalization on American society

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Can you believe it’s already June? So much has happened since President Donald Trump returned to the White House four and a half months ago, it’s hard to process. In that short amount of time, Trump has unilaterally thrown the global trading system into chaos and tried to end the constitutional right of birthright citizenship. His administration has stripped billions in federal grants from universities, arrested international students, and put tens of thousands of federal workers out of jobs. The constant din of chaos is exhausting, and it’s easy to grow numb to it, to normalize it. New York Times opinion columnist M. Gessen explains the parallels they see with early 2000s Russia, when President Vladimir Putin consolidated power, and what we can — and can’t — learn from that period.

And in headlines: Ukraine said it destroyed dozens of Russian military bombers in a massive drone attack deep inside Russian territory, the Supreme Court allowed the Trump Administration to temporarily lift deportation protections for around half a million migrants, and Iowa Republican Sen. Joni Ernst told constituents worried about proposed Medicaid cuts that ‘we all are going to die.’

 

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