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What Praising The UnitedHealthcare Shooter Says About America

2024/12/13
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Jane Koston: 本期节目讨论了UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson被杀事件以及Daniel Penny杀害Jordan Neely事件引发的网络争议。许多人对凶手表示同情,认为他们的行为是对社会不公正的反抗,这反映出美国社会对私刑行为的普遍支持,以及政治两极分化日益严重。 AOC也表达了对医疗系统中患者遭受不公正待遇的同情,尽管谴责暴力行为。她认为,医疗公司对患者的某些行为也可被视为暴力,因为这会导致患者无家可归或经济崩溃。 这两起案件都反映出一种令人担忧的现象:对私刑的普遍支持,似乎跨越了政治光谱。 Ali Breland: 对UnitedHealthcare CEO被杀案凶手的支持,并非来自极端分子,而是来自普通民众,这更令人担忧。凶手的政治观点和兴趣爱好都比较主流,并非极端分子。许多人认为极度富裕的人应该死,但凶手本身也来自富裕家庭,这引发了对“阶级叛徒”现象的思考。来自富裕阶层的人参与反富运动并非罕见现象,他们可能拥有更多资源或不那么害怕体制。 人们对政治暴力感兴趣,是因为它能反映出国民情绪和国家走向。政治暴力事件并非孤立事件,它预示着未来可能发生的类似事件,以及国家的走向。将Mangione的行为与意大利“铅之岁月”和20世纪70年代美国的政治暴力进行比较,说明政治暴力并非罕见现象。意大利“铅之岁月”的政治暴力,是多种因素共同作用的结果,包括政治极端主义、经济不稳定等。Peter Turchin 的研究表明,精英阶层过度扩张和职位竞争激烈,可能导致政治暴力事件的增加。Turchin 认为,目前美国正处于政治暴力可能增多的时期。 政治暴力并不一定能带来预期的改变,但当人们感到走投无路时,可能会采取这种手段。美国人对私刑的迷恋,与美国文化中的个人主义和对大型机构的不信任有关。私刑行为似乎更便捷,更容易实现目标,而不是通过投票等传统途径。Daniel Penny 和 Luigi Mangione 的情况有所不同,前者并非预谋犯罪,而后者则有更广泛的支持。对Penny的支持主要来自保守派,而对Mangione的支持则更广泛,甚至跨越了政治派别。

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Why did the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson spark widespread online support for the alleged shooter?

The murder of Brian Thompson sparked widespread online support for the alleged shooter, Luigi Mangione, because many people sympathized with his perceived stand against the injustices of the American healthcare system. Comments and posts highlighted frustrations with insurance companies, with some expressing that those who have suffered due to denied claims or financial devastation from medical bills could understand the shooter's actions. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez also noted that while violence is not justified, the behavior of some healthcare companies can feel like acts of violence to patients.

What does the acquittal of Daniel Penny reveal about public perceptions of vigilantism?

The acquittal of Daniel Penny, who killed Jordan Neely using a chokehold on a New York City subway, revealed a divided public perception of vigilantism. While some condemned Penny as a murderer, others, particularly in conservative circles, praised him as a hero. The Wall Street Journal called the verdict hopeful, and an Arizona Republican congressman even proposed awarding Penny the Congressional Gold Medal for bravery. This case, along with the support for Luigi Mangione, highlights how different political sides in America can rally behind their own vigilantes.

How does the history of political violence in the 1970s compare to current events in the United States?

The history of political violence in the 1970s, marked by over 2,500 bombings in an 18-month period, reflects a time of significant instability and extremism in the U.S. Similarly, current events show a rise in political violence, with acts like the UnitedHealthcare shooting and the Daniel Penny case gaining public support. Author Peter Turchin's model suggests that elite overproduction and economic instability can lead to such violence, indicating that the U.S. may be entering a period where political violence becomes normalized, much like the 1970s.

What are the potential consequences of normalizing political violence in the United States?

Normalizing political violence in the United States could lead to increased instability and a rise in extremist actions. Historical examples, such as the years of lead in Italy and the 1970s in America, show that periods of political violence often result from economic instability and elite overproduction. If violence becomes an accepted means of addressing grievances, it could lead to a cycle of retaliation and further polarization, undermining democratic processes and societal cohesion.

How is California preparing to resist potential actions by a second Trump administration?

California is preparing to resist potential actions by a second Trump administration by building legal defenses and strategies to protect progressive policies. Attorney General Rob Bonta mentioned that the state has been preparing for months, if not years, with briefs on nearly every issue signaled by the Trump administration. California plans to hold Trump accountable if he breaks the law, particularly in areas like environmental protections, gun safety laws, reproductive freedom, and immigrant rights. The state is also ready to challenge any unlawful withholding of federal funds or attempts to condition funding on policy changes.

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The murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has sparked a massive reaction online that’s veered into support for the alleged shooter, with an outpouring of sympathy on social media. This week we also saw a jury acquit Daniel Penny, a Marine veteran who killed a man named Jordan Neely using a chokehold on a New York Subway train. The verdict prompted a similar outpouring of support for Penny on the right. Suffice it to say, it was a big week for vigilantism. Atlantic staff writer Ali Breland explains what it all says about our political discourse. 

Later in the show, California Attorney General Rob Bonta joins us to discuss how the state is ‘Trump-proofing’ its progressive laws.

And in headlines: President-elect Donald Trump is Time magazine’s ‘Person of the Year,’ President Biden made history by commuting the prison sentences of nearly 1500 people and pardoning another 39, and the federal government says don’t worry about all of those drone sightings over New Jersey.

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