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While LA Burns, Trump Fuels The Disinformation Fire

2025/1/10
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Jane Koston: 我是Jane Koston,今天我们要讨论的是洛杉矶山火、特朗普的判刑以及加沙的死亡人数。洛杉矶山火已经造成了巨大的破坏,网络上充斥着各种虚假信息,例如山火是由多样性、公平与包容政策造成的,或者说是加州州长纽森的责任。这些说法都是不真实的。在危机时刻,我们需要的是真实信息,而不是谣言和责备。 为了揭露这些说法,我采访了Scott Waldman。在当前的政治环境下,自然灾害很容易成为政治化的阴谋论的温床,而特朗普则加剧了这一趋势。人们很容易将责任推卸给政治对手,而忽略了问题的复杂性。 这场大火是气候变化的代价,我们必须做好准备应对未来可能发生的类似灾难。我们需要就如何应对气候变化带来的基础设施威胁进行建设性的对话,包括森林管理、建筑法规等方面。我们需要为未来做好准备,而不是等到灾难发生后再采取行动。 Scott Waldman: 特朗普声称加州州长纽森阻止水流入南加州的说法是错误的。这与用于灭火的水库无关。联邦紧急事务管理署(FEMA)的资金充足,足以应对当前的危机。特朗普可能会利用联邦政府来惩罚他的政治对手,例如通过延迟或有条件地提供灾难救济。即使国会可能会发出反对的声音,但考虑到佛罗里达州等其他州也需要联邦援助,他们最终可能会犹豫是否要切断对加州的援助。 这场大火是气候变化的代价,这给基础设施和联邦及州政府资金带来了巨大的压力。更好的森林管理可以帮助减少野火风险,例如控制性焚烧。我们需要为未来做好准备,而不是等到灾难发生后再采取行动。 Alison Riggs: 我是Alison Riggs,北卡罗来纳州最高法院法官。我的共和党对手杰斐逊·格里芬以大规模选民欺诈为由提起诉讼,试图推翻我的当选。他的指控是基于选民登记数据库中缺少社会安全号码或驾照号码,但这并不能证明选民欺诈。选民们按照当时的规定完成了投票,格里芬试图事后更改规则以达到其目的。质疑选举结果的合法性会损害民主制度和司法独立性。这场诉讼不仅关乎我个人,更关乎选民的意愿和民主的健康运作。

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What is the scale of destruction caused by the Palisades and Eaton fires in Los Angeles?

The Palisades and Eaton fires have damaged or destroyed over 9,000 structures and burned nearly 30,000 acres of land, making them some of the most destructive and expensive wildfires in American history.

What false claims about the wildfires have been spread online?

False claims include that the fires were caused by diversity, equity, and inclusion policies, that Governor Gavin Newsom is withholding water from Northern California, and that L.A. Mayor Karen Bass transferred firefighting funds to unhoused people or the LAPD. None of these claims are true.

Why is Trump's claim about Governor Newsom withholding water false?

Trump's claim is false because the water issue he references involves protecting an endangered fish species, the smelt, in the Sacramento Delta, which benefits agriculture in Northern California. This has no connection to the reservoirs needed to fight the wildfires in Southern California.

Is FEMA out of money to handle the wildfire crisis, as Trump claims?

No, FEMA is fully funded until the end of the fiscal year on September 30th. While challenges could arise if there's a severe hurricane season, FEMA currently has the resources to manage the wildfire crisis.

Why are natural disasters like wildfires increasingly politicized?

Natural disasters are politicized due to social media amplification and political figures like Trump using them to attack opponents. Disasters often leave people feeling neglected by the government, making it easy to assign blame and spread conspiracy theories.

What is the role of climate change in the intensity of the wildfires?

Climate change has intensified the wildfires, with first responders noting that the fires are moving too fast and are too intense to control in some areas. The Santa Ana winds and dry conditions have exacerbated the situation, making it a climate-fueled disaster.

Could Trump reverse Biden's order to cover 100% of wildfire costs for 180 days?

Yes, Trump could reverse Biden's order or condition it on political demands, such as migrant detention policies. He has previously delayed disaster aid to California, using federal resources to punish political opponents.

What strain do catastrophic natural disasters like wildfires put on infrastructure and budgets?

These disasters place tremendous strain on infrastructure and budgets, highlighting the immediate costs of climate change. Investments in forest management, building regulations, and infrastructure upgrades are urgently needed to mitigate future risks.

What are some constructive solutions to address wildfire risks?

Solutions include better forest management, controlled burns, updated building regulations, and vegetation control. Preparing for climate-related infrastructure threats, such as sea level rise on the East Coast, is also critical.

What is the significance of the North Carolina Supreme Court case involving Justice Alison Riggs?

The case challenges the legitimacy of Riggs' re-election based on unverified claims of voter fraud. If successful, it could set a precedent for overturning election results, undermining democracy and the independence of the judiciary.

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Amid the ongoing California wildfires, the podcast debunks misinformation and conspiracy theories surrounding the disaster. It discusses false claims about the causes of the fires, the availability of FEMA funding, and the role of politicians in the crisis.
  • Numerous false claims circulated online blamed the wildfires on various factors, including diversity, equity, and inclusion policies and Governor Newsom's alleged withholding of water resources.
  • FEMA is fully funded until September 30th.
  • Politicians often use natural disasters as an opportunity to attack political opponents and spread misinformation.

Shownotes Transcript

The Palisades and Eaton fires that began Tuesday in and around Los Angeles have become some of the most destructive — and likely most expensive — wildfires in American history. City and county officials say more than 9,000 structures have been damaged or destroyed so far. And as the fires have spread, so too has a ton of disinformation online, some of it been fanned by President-elect Donald Trump. Scott Waldman, a White House reporter focused on climate change at Politico’s E&E News, helps us debunk some of Trump’s wild claims. 

Later in the show, North Carolina Supreme Court Justice Allison Riggs talks about the case to block her re-election to the state’s highest court.

And in headlines: Elon Musk suggests cutting $2 trillion from the federal budget might not be possible, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Trump’s last-ditch request to halt his criminal sentencing Friday, and a new report says that the death toll in Gaza has been gravely underreported.

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