In this episode of Whiskey Web and Whatnot, Robbie and Chuck talk with Carson Gross about his journey in web development, including the creation of htmx and its predecessor, intercooler.js. They touch on the differences between front-end libraries, the importance of timing in tech adoption, and the relevance of older technologies. Carson also talks about his love for baseball, retro software, and the potential for a return to simpler and more varied tech tools and hardware.

In this episode:

(00:00) - Intro
(01:39) - Meet Carson Gross
(03:25) - Whiskey tasting: Bullet Rye 12 Year
(11:45) - Hot takes
(21:32) - htmx vs intercooler.js
(24:04) - Meme culture
(31:43) - Open source and community engagement
(36:14) - Pick the tech stack you like
(42:15) - Teaching cloud computing
(48:01) - Carson’s non-tech career
(58:43) - Retro tech

Quotes
“Intercooler vs htmx. They're the same thing. One of my takeaways from that is that timing is really, really important. Intercooler was too early. And we've seen that before in tech. If timing is what matters then the longer you can hang around, the more likely you are to catch that timing at some point.” ~ Carson Gross

“As I've gotten older, I've stopped looking for the one true programming language and the one true way to do X or Y or Z. There's a lot of different ways to get stuff done. And I like that there are people doing them different ways and that they've got their different take on things.” ~ Carson Gross

Links

Montana State University: https://www.montana.edu
Jameson: https://www.jamesonwhiskey.com
Bulleit 12 Year Rye: https://www.bulleit.com/whiskey/bulleit-12-year-old-rye
Stagg JR: https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/brands/stagg-jr
Maker’s Mark: https://www.makersmark.com
Redbreast: https://www.redbreastwhiskey.com
OCaml: https://ocaml.org
HyperCard Programmer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard
Vercel: https://vercel.com
Thinking in Java: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Java-4th-Bruce-Eckel/dp/0131872486
JetBrains: https://www.jetbrains.com
TailwindCSS: https://tailwindcss.com
IntercoolerJS / intercoolerjs.org: https://intercoolerjs.org
Big Sky Dev Con: https://bigskydevcon.com
Manning: https://www.manning.com
Teej_dv: https://www.twitch.tv/teej_dv
Fireship - htmx in 100 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-GSGH2RxJs
Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com
sst.dev: https://sst.dev
Dax Raad: https://x.com/thdxr
Open Next on GitHub: https://github.com/serverless-stack/open-next
floppydisks.com: https://floppydisks.com
Zork Game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork
hyperscript: https://hyperscript.org
unpoly: https://unpoly.com
Analogue: https://www.analogue.co
Parov Stelar: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVtnG15ufdzur71RqfqNSOg

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Htmx, Open Source, Retro Tech, and Dev Tools with Carson Gross