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Jacinda Ardern on leading with empathy and overcoming self-doubt

2025/7/1
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Jacinda Ardern: 我认为乐观主义不是天真，而是一种在困境中取得成功的必要选择。我注意到很多人私下承认自己爱哭或爱拥抱，好像这是一个秘密社团。这让我觉得有些人可能因此觉得自己不适合当领导。我想和那些私下窃窃私语的人对话，因为我认为这些特质与领导力并不冲突。我从与我尊敬和钦佩的人的对话中得知，他们也属于有冒名顶替综合症的人。我高中时的一位老师向我介绍了这个概念，他让我意识到，伟大的人有时也会怀疑自己。承担责任的领导力有时会压倒自我怀疑。那些为自我利益而追求领导职位的人，会非常渴望抓住权力不放，而那些不情愿的人可能恰恰相反。我将自己描述为一个忠诚的士兵，这表明我的身份是追随者，而不是领导者。在政治中，人们总是假设你追求权力是出于个人野心，但实际上很多人并非如此。成为领导人后，我没有时间纠结于自信心不足，因为责任感完全占据了上风。我的个人自信心不足需要暂时放在一边。年轻时，渴望有所作为有时会带来问题。以同情和责任感领导意味着要承担一定的代价，但你也会因此更接近悲痛，并有机会采取行动。你可能要付出代价，但这是你愿意付出的。

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Jacinda Ardern shares her journey to becoming New Zealand's Prime Minister, unexpectedly taking on the role due to a sense of responsibility. She discusses her experiences with imposter syndrome and confidence gaps, highlighting how these feelings can coexist with leadership.
  • Jacinda Ardern's unexpected rise to Prime Minister
  • Her experience with imposter syndrome and confidence gaps
  • The importance of responsibility in leadership decisions

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When Jacinda Ardern was thrown into the race for New Zealand’s prime ministry just months before the general election in 2017, she had no intention of even running for the position—but she knew it was her responsibility to become the leader her country needed. In this episode, Adam and Jacinda reflect on strategies for closing confidence gaps, discuss the importance of compassion in leadership, and break down a phenomenon that New Zealanders call “tall poppy syndrome.” They also look back on Jacinda’s most pivotal decisions, from steering the country through the COVID pandemic to stepping down as Prime Minister.

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Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant) | LinkedIn: @adammgrant) | Website: adamgrant.net/))

Guest: Jacinda Ardern (Instagram: @jacindaardern))

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