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Frontline special - James Heappey, former UK armed forces minister

2025/2/8
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James Heappey: 我对目前西方国家对乌克兰的支持力度感到失望,认为这不足以击败普京。即使战略失败已经实现,目前的局势仍然不理想,可能会对未来20到30年造成危险。如果欧洲能够更早地动员起来,情况本不该如此。理解新政府在处理乌克兰战争初期,希望谨慎校准与美国的关系。我认为英国本可以更早地允许乌克兰袭击俄罗斯境内目标,且美国的影响可能被夸大了。我和本·华莱士是国防部内推动更多行动的人,而其他人则担心乌克兰的“灾难性成功”可能导致局势升级。政府内部担心俄罗斯军队溃败过快可能导致普京使用战术核武器,也担心乌克兰的“灾难性成功”可能导致俄罗斯联邦崩溃和核武器失控。在国家安全委员会的讨论中,情况总是复杂的。作为前军人和国防部长,我倾向于采取更强硬的立场,但那些担心俄罗斯未来局势的人也有其合理的观点。历史将评判我们是否应该更早、更强硬地支持乌克兰,如果更早地支持乌克兰,或许能阻止战争演变成消耗战。 James Heappey: 我不确定英国下一步能提供什么武器,但我不认为我们可以单方面提供战斧巡航导弹,因为其中涉及很多美国权益。巡航导弹可能携带非常规武器,这会加剧俄罗斯的紧张情绪,因此不值得冒险。我认为下一步应该在乌克兰部署西方军队,为乌克兰军队提供培训,这应成为和谈的先决条件。如果维和部队成为与普京谈判的一部分,那么它将被用来交换条件,而训练部队的存在则不会。在乌克兰部署西方军队可以向普京明确表明,他的行为将导致西方在乌克兰的军事存在增加。西方军队在乌克兰的大规模存在将进一步表明普京的战略失败。我希望美国军队参与在乌克兰的训练任务,但这并不现实。即使是一个规模较大的训练任务,也需要空中防御等保护措施,而欧洲国家可能无法独自提供,可能需要美国的协助。

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James Heappey, former UK Armed Forces Minister, expresses his disappointment with the West's response to the war in Ukraine. He criticizes the focus on a potential peace deal over a commitment to defeat Putin, and questions if the West could have done more sooner, such as providing long-range weapons for strikes into Russia earlier.
  • Disappointment with the West's approach to the war in Ukraine
  • Criticism of the focus on a potential peace deal
  • Questioning if the West could have done more sooner
  • Concerns about a suboptimal peace deal setting up a dangerous future

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In this extended Frontline conversation, former British armed forces minister James Heappey criticises the West’s hesitancy in taking decisive action on Ukraine and warns of the long-term dangers posed by a sub-optimal peace deal. 

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