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Frontline special - RUSI Russia specialist Ed Arnold

2025/1/18
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Ed Arnold: 我是英国皇家联合军种研究院(RUSI)的资深俄罗斯问题专家Ed Arnold。我长期研究俄罗斯安全战略,特别是其在混合战争中的策略。关于俄罗斯影子舰队对欧洲海底基础设施的威胁,我的观点是:首先,这并非孤立事件,而是俄罗斯长期策略的一部分,旨在削弱西方国家,规避制裁。其次,这种威胁不仅仅来自俄罗斯本身,也可能通过其他国家或非国家行为者来实施,增加了复杂性。再次,北约及相关国家需要加强合作,明确责任分工,才能有效应对。例如,芬兰处理"鹰S"号事件的方式就为其他国家树立了榜样,即对俄罗斯影子舰队的行动采取强硬的法律手段。最后,虽然俄罗斯的常规军事实力在乌克兰战争中有所削弱,但这并不意味着威胁的消失,反而可能导致其更加依赖混合战争手段,包括对海底基础设施的攻击。因此,北约及相关国家必须持续关注,并加强情报共享、技术升级和法律合作,才能有效应对这一长期存在的威胁。 Louis Sykes: 我是Times Radio的记者Louis Sykes。就俄罗斯影子舰队对欧洲海底基础设施的威胁,我与Ed Arnold进行了深入探讨。Ed Arnold的分析指出,俄罗斯正在利用影子舰队规避西方制裁,对海底电缆等关键基础设施进行破坏,这是一种混合战争的策略。他强调了这种威胁的长期性和复杂性,并指出需要北约及相关国家加强合作,明确责任分工,才能有效应对。此外,他还分析了芬兰处理"鹰S"号事件的成功经验,以及俄罗斯军事实力削弱后可能采取的应对策略。总而言之,Ed Arnold的观点是,面对俄罗斯影子舰队的威胁,欧洲国家需要加强合作,提升自身能力,才能有效维护自身安全。

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This chapter explores the UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force's (JEF) operation, Nordic Warden, designed to track and counter threats to undersea infrastructure by the Russian shadow fleet. It examines the involvement of various countries, the use of AI and surveillance, and the challenges of international waters and legal jurisdiction in addressing such threats.
  • The Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a defense framework of Nordic and Baltic states plus the Netherlands, led by the UK.
  • Nordic Warden uses AI, algorithms, and surveillance to monitor vessels suspected of being part of Russia's shadow fleet.
  • Incidents involving damage to undersea cables by vessels potentially linked to Russia's shadow fleet are discussed.
  • Legal and jurisdictional complexities in addressing these threats in international waters are highlighted.

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In this extended Frontline conversation, RUSI’s Senior Russia Fellow Ed Arnold examines the limits of Vladimir Putin’s use of shadow fleets to get around Western sanctions - and explains how NATO is fighting back.

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