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Israel weighs hostage lives against Hamas destruction

2025/1/6
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What is the current status of the hostage negotiations between Israel and Hamas?

Hamas claims to have agreed to release a specific list of 34 Israeli hostages, with talks mediated by Qatar in Doha. However, Israel denies receiving the list. There is significant mistrust between the parties, and previous attempts at negotiations have not resulted in a deal. Israel insists on a three-stage ceasefire, while Hamas demands guarantees that Israel will not restart the war after each stage.

Why is there a lack of trust between Israel and Hamas in the negotiations?

The lack of trust stems from indirect talks mediated by the US, Egypt, and Qatar, with no direct communication between Israel and Hamas. Hamas doubts Israel's commitment to a full ceasefire, as Israel aims to dismantle Hamas and control the Gaza Strip. Israel, on the other hand, fears that releasing high-profile prisoners could lead to future attacks, as seen with Yahya Sinwar, who was released in a 2011 deal and later orchestrated the October 7th massacre.

What are the main obstacles to reaching a ceasefire agreement?

Key obstacles include disagreements over which prisoners will be exchanged, the stages of the ceasefire, and Hamas's demand for guarantees that Israel will not resume hostilities after each stage. Additionally, Israel has not yet received a confirmed list of hostages, and intelligence estimates suggest many of the remaining hostages may already be dead. The absence of a political plan for Gaza's governance post-Hamas further complicates negotiations.

How do Israeli families of hostages feel about the government's handling of the negotiations?

Many families feel the government is providing mere lip service and not prioritizing the safe return of their loved ones. Some, like the father of hostage Liri Albag, who is a former Likud voter, express anger and frustration, accusing the government of failing to protect its citizens. Others, like the father of Eitan Moore, oppose a hostage deal, believing military pressure on Hamas is the best way to secure their release.

What role does the US play in the ceasefire negotiations?

The US, along with Egypt and Qatar, acts as a mediator in the indirect talks between Israel and Hamas. The Biden administration has been pushing for a deal, but there is speculation that Israel may prefer to wait for Donald Trump's inauguration, expecting a more hardline approach. The US also has a vested interest as some of the hostages are joint US-Israeli citizens.

What are Israel's long-term objectives in Gaza?

Israel's primary objective is to dismantle Hamas as a terrorist organization and gain control over the Gaza Strip. However, there is no clear political plan for who will govern Gaza post-Hamas. The Biden administration has suggested the Palestinian Authority, but Israel opposes this, and the Palestinian Authority itself is reluctant, citing its fragility and corruption.

How does the internal political dynamic in Israel affect the hostage negotiations?

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces pressure from hard-right factions in his coalition, such as Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who oppose releasing high-profile prisoners in exchange for hostages. These factions threaten to leave the government if a deal is made, which could cost Netanyahu his position. This internal tension limits Netanyahu's ability to negotiate effectively.

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As Hamas claims it has sent Israel a list of 34 specific hostages it is prepared to exchange for prisoners and a ceasefire in Gaza, many in Israel are calling for Benjamin Netanyahu finally to agree a deal. But with no certainty how many of the remaining hostages are still alive, might he make the decision to delay for what he sees as a "greater good", namely weakening Hamas' negotiating position at least until Donald Trump's inauguration? The Times' Israel correspondent, Gabrielle Weiniger analyses his options.

The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists. 

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