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Before we start, some episodes in this series of World of Secrets contain graphic descriptions of sexual and physical violence, including sexual assault, rape and the language associated with it. Welcome to News Hour from the BBC World Service. I'm John Donison. Today is crypto... My first thought when I saw the news was, please be a stunt. I was lying in bed at like 5am...
And my partner wakes me up and she's like, hey, Ray. It's two days after we had the green light to do this investigation. That's all to come. First, though, the news. An influential Nigerian television preacher, Temetope Balagoon Joshua, has died in Lagos at the age of 57. A post on his Facebook page... I couldn't believe it, and neither could Ray. So initially I'm thinking...
Please be a joke. He's going to rise up and it's going to be this big stage death and it's not real. The death of TB Joshua comes as a big shock for members of his church and the tens of thousands of Nigerians who follow his... It suddenly hit me that, oh my God...
This guy has gone and bloody carked it, hasn't he? When we've got the green light to actually expose him. The founder of the Synagogue Church of All Nations drew huge crowds to his weekly services in Lagos. Ray texts me in the morning. Here's Annika. The text was, he's only gone and bloody died. And I was gutted. I was absolutely devastated that he died. I wanted him to confront what he'd done to us all. TV Joshua may have claimed to raise the dead...
But it was beginning to seem like his own demise was indeed very real. I do recall one of you saying to me, oh, Ray, I know we don't know each other very well, but... You're not allowed to swear as a BBC reporter, but I would say that it was very real.
I was kind of angry that we couldn't bust his balls, but I also at the same time felt, well, great, now people will be able to be free and speak out. And so many of my friends were like, I don't have to be terrified anymore, Ray. TB Joshua was just 57 years old when he died. It's been reported it was a stroke. The Nigerian Senate held a minute's silence after his death. I was there for TB Joshua's funeral. Our dear one, Temitope Balogum Joshua,
The streets were completely packed. It was like you were going to a World Cup final. Except everyone in the crowd was crying and they were holding up pictures of his face. They were kneeling, they were prostrating themselves on the tarmac.
And there were queues and queues and queues of people just lining up to try and enter the church so that they could have a glimpse of his coffin. TB Joshua was dressed in all white, visible through a glass coffin, as if he was ready to ascend to heaven. It looked like the funeral for a god or a funeral for a saint. A man of God. One newspaper called him the most influential pastor in African history.
And people came from all over the world to pay their respects. Government ministers were there. Rabbis were there. People from Latin America, Asia, Europe and the US. The funeral lasted for days. Among the mourners...
was someone who knew who he really was. It was very difficult to come up and say, "Oh, this person is not who you think he is." Someone who couldn't be close to his glass coffin. A jockie, his daughter, but not just any daughter.
His secret daughter. She was in Lagos at her father's funeral, but not at the front with the rest of the family. She found herself in a sea of mourners, sombre, weeping, some overcome with grief. But her feelings were more complicated. And now she's finally ready to share her story with us. And it's the first time she's ever spoken out. You're looking at someone that had gone beyond her.
Just a common man. This is World of Secrets. Someone that has spoken first-hand in the Kings with presidents, with people that were untouchable. Season two, The Disciples. We're talking about someone that had somehow bought public trust. Just made people to believe that he was this person. Episode nine, Man of God. While we've been on this story, T.B. Joshua's disciples have talked a lot about a joker.
the woman many believe is his biological daughter. We can't say for sure that she is. He told some of his disciples that she was an adopted child, abandoned at the gates of the church as a baby. At other times, he claimed she was his own, born out of wedlock. Many other disciples say she was one of the only people to confront TB Joshua while still inside his church.
But for years, no one has known where she is. Most of the disciples lost touch with her when they left the church. So I honestly, like, we don't know anything about her situation right now. We managed to track down a jockey once before, but it's not been an easy ride. We don't know...
where she's living, you don't know who she's with, you don't know why she doesn't have a phone. I'd been in touch with Ajoke for almost two years before this moment. I was chatting to her at one point once a week, roughly, just checking in on how she's doing and what her situation is. But recently, she disappeared. I just went dead. My messages weren't getting through anymore, and mutual contacts hadn't heard from her either. I genuinely thought she was dead. I thought, you know, when she went off the map like that, I just...
had two days where I was just thinking about her constantly just not knowing what the hell had happened. But on our last trip to Nigeria for this podcast we were finally able to get back in touch. Oh my god she's here! She's here! Oh my god! Hey!
Hi, how are you? How are you? It's been so long. Hello, Mr Tom. It's been so long. Oh, Charlie. I was struck by how much she looked like TB Joshua, but she looked like she'd been through a lot. She looked exhausted.
She looked quite fragile. I wasn't sure I'd see you again at one point. Yeah, I can't imagine. I'd lost touch with myself upstairs, so I was very unsure if I was going to meet myself again. You look so happy to see me. It looks good. We're not going to tell you exactly where a Jokai is for her own safety. Because you've been in these kind of conditions. You've lived on the streets, right? You've slept rough for like a couple of years and...
The conditions she's living in now are a long way from what she experienced growing up with her dad. So you're like communal living, so you're living in here with 10 families? Oh wow, it's not a very big space for 10 families. The kitchen is a fireplace in the dirt outside. The toilet is a hole in the ground. And a small white dog, its feet stained with mud, is running around our feet as we sit down on a bench to talk about her past.
Do you have happy memories with your dad? Do you have positive memories about him? What are some of those? I mean, I've had really good memories with my dad. Those times have come from when we are sometimes isolated from the rest of the entire organisation, maybe on a trip.
I think I've watched him become a lot more humane. He would listen to jokes sometimes. He would just play. The atmosphere was just like laughing and just relaxing.
Ajoke remembers one trip in Ghana, her father cooking them breakfast. They went on holidays to Greece and Dubai too. In Ghana, he served us the food and brought the food to us. I can't forget that experience. He cooked and made a good meal, so it was really nice. How do you explain a man like that? It's difficult actually, it's difficult to comprehend. I first met Ajoke in 2021. We recorded an interview, and he said,
But until this moment, we weren't sure we'd be able to use it. We weren't sure if we could keep her safe. Shortly after that interview, she disappeared. Because of who she is and because of what she knows, Ajoke's life is in danger. It's taken a long time to get to this point, to find a location where she cannot be found. Finally, it's time to share that interview, to let her tell her story, the story of her dad, TB Joshua.
Photos of a jockey from those early years show a bright-eyed girl with a cheeky grin. She's got short, braided hair and two diamond studs in her ears. I very much did have a happy childhood.
But when she was seven years old, the life of privilege Adjoké enjoyed was turned upside down. I was in primary school. I had gotten into trouble and then I came back home with my report card. My dad at the time said, oh, I'm going to go and tell them that you're not my daughter. Somehow I wasn't his child. I wasn't a part of his family. This was a defining moment in Adjoké's life.
After that report card, T.P. Joshua decided that he would disown her and move her out of the family home and into the compound. The report card is an explanation that doesn't really make sense. Who disowns their daughter over a bad school report? The disciples have an answer. They claim it had very little to do with the report card. They say he wanted to keep her a secret, out of the public eye, to protect his reputation. Adjoko was questioning, bold,
And according to the disciples, she was living evidence of his infidelity. We don't know anything about Ajoke's mother. When I was seven years old, I was made to move to the disciples' room. I was just a child. In the world of the compound, where strange rules were strictly enforced, Ajoke became a rebel. He started to question everything. Naturally, if he walks into a room, you have everybody stand up as a sign of respect. I would just sit down and just...
I wouldn't go into his office to greet him. So you were breaking little rules here and there? I was definitely breaking rules, like rules that had been set down for years. Did you feel like you were rebelling at the time? To be honest, I didn't feel like I was rebelling. That was just my natural reaction. A lot of questions I had in my mind, a lot of things that I didn't feel right.
Were there things about the life of the disciples that you felt was particularly strange? Everything about the life of a disciple had its question marks. People not having enough sleep, people being monitored 24/7. You would have women go up to his room, rub him lotion, massage him, you know, all of these things were like, they were very weird.
You notice these things, like you were seeing things that others couldn't, right? Yeah, I was seeing the same things and I was processing the same things and it didn't feel right. And TB Joshua didn't let this go lightly. He began to paint a picture that Adjokhe was possessed with an evil spirit. Ray tells us how Adjokhe would suffer. He didn't seem to like her very much. She was like kind of labelled the black sheep of the family. Like all I just kept hearing people saying was, well...
Like, the demon in her needs punishing so she can be free. I remember seeing her punished repeatedly with slaps around the face from him. There was a time that she was stripped naked and she was forced to hold a pot of boiling water above her head. We're talking about years and years of abuse, just beatings, beatings and more beatings. I didn't even have time to...
recover from one before another one was happening and even if I had recovered from one another one was happening nobody was listening nobody was trying to help why did no one do anything about it can you explain how could these people be so cruel to allow this to happen I think to understand it fully you've got to understand how coerced people were there it's not an excuse it's just a fact
But it was like, it's like you become numb. Like you see so much of this stuff. It's like, you know, if people want to talk about what happened in the war, in World War II, there was no justification. Terrible crimes were committed. And some people came forward after and said, I don't know what the hell I was doing. I don't know why I did that. Why did I think that was okay? And this is the power of totalism. And people who know how to manipulate the mind of another person should not be walking in the public domain.
We all thought we were in heaven, but we were in hell, and in hell, terrible things happen. The disciples say this abuse continued for years, and within the compound, Ajoke became an outcast, a prisoner in her father's own church, unable to leave, excluded from any public activities. But we've been told because of this, perhaps because she was so despised by her dad...
I saw female disciples go up to his room. They were away, they were going away for hours. I was very suspicious. And then she started hearing whispers. I was hearing things. Oh, this happened to me. Oh, he tried sleeping with me. Oh, he did this. Oh, he did that. I'm like...
When she was just 16, she did what almost no other person in the compound ever dared to do. And then he brought out a Bible from under his desk, placed his hand on it and said, ''I can swear.''
But he said something else too. A few weeks later, more people came to Ajoke and told her what had happened to them.
She couldn't stand it. She went back to confront her father. I lost every out of fear for this man. I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't keep all of these things in my head anymore. And I had to confront him. I walked directly into his office on that very day and I went off. I couldn't hold back the words. What did he say? Did you shout? I shouted at the top of my voice. Why are you doing all of this?
Why are you hurting all of these women? How did he react? He was shocked. He was very shocked that I had the boldness to confront him. He tried to, you know, stare me down. But I was looking at his eyes. He had a fierce look. He had a fierce look. We heard this account of a jockey confronting TB Joshua from multiple disciples, and all of them were in awe of her bravery. In a world where showing deference to the Prophet meant everything...
She stood up to him and she paid a price for her boldness. There were times where I was beating blue-black and for days I wouldn't be able to wake up to even eat a meal. I wouldn't even have the willpower or the strength to even get up from where I was sitting. If I still didn't grit, I was pulled back in that position. I was beating up with belts and chains and I was humiliated. He was trying to blame me.
to stop you telling people, right? He was trying so hard to stop people from listening to me. I was totally isolated from, like, the rest of the church. There are times where I have been at my lowest of lows mentally, times where I haven't found a reason to feel like leaving, times where I feel like, you know, maybe I really don't deserve to be alive. For months, years even, Adjoka wanted to leave.
begging to be freed from her prison. And then one day, when she was 18, it happened. She was marched to the front gates and with no money, no identity papers and no family, she was cast out onto the streets of Nigeria. Summer winter time I have stayed Small and big altars I have prayed Should I follow what the prophet says
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Many more people have contacted us, wanting to speak. Still, some of them will only talk if they remain anonymous. Their words have been read by a BBC producer, Georgia. After leaving, I had this very tough time in trying to get myself together. This person was in the church for nearly a decade. And so the thought came to me, if you can find out how this man thinks, then you can set yourself free. How did he think?
What drives a man to do all of those things the disciples have claimed he did? It's something we've been wondering throughout this whole investigation. One of the reasons the disciples say they were so successfully manipulated by TB Joshua was the constant sleep deprivation they were under in the synagogue, emulating a man they never saw sleep. He would always tell us he worked 24 hours and because of that we thought it was normal for us not to sleep when he was awake.
While the person you just heard was working for TB Joshua, they got to see the inside of the prayer mountain, a place they believe is essential for understanding TB Joshua's psychological hold over his disciples. The thing is that at 4, 5pm every day, he goes to the mountain. He has a well-furnished apartment where he'd sleep. They discovered that TB Joshua had a secret bedroom inside the prayer mountain.
And he would visit during the day to sleep. So what would people think he was doing? Praying. And he'd be there for hours. The disciples were constantly sleep deprived. And they believed that TB Joshua never slept either. Simple truth was that he was sleeping for hours each day while they were all working. This kept him sharp and kept them vulnerable.
This wasn't the only example this church insider knows of TB Joshua saying one thing and doing another. We've heard so many stories of TB Joshua claiming he could heal. And we've heard too the stories of how such healings were faked. When it came to TB Joshua's own health, it seemed he wasn't relying on God to heal him, but modern medicine. The type of medicine he'd advise his followers to stop taking.
I knew he would die. How did you know? Because he was always very sick. From time to time, he would take pills. TB Joshua was encouraging other people that his prayers and holy water were enough to heal them. But he was taking a lot of medicine for his own sickness. Back at the prayer mountain, our anonymous church insider says TB Joshua was doing more than just sleeping. He was studying there.
He had a library full of books, and those books, they tell us, give an incredible window into what he was really thinking, into how he was able to manipulate all of the disciples.
Going to the prayer mountain, he's going with his books. He'd always take off the covers of the books he was reading. Why? Because he didn't want people to know what he was reading. What types of books were they? Books on hypnotism, mind manipulation, and he read books on Hitler. Hitler's Mein Kampf. Literally so many. He'd have a bag with him, he'd go everywhere. All hypnosis and mind control. Literally mind control.
T.P. Joshua was not a man of God. He was smart and he was ruthless. But what this church insider tells us is that he was actually studying how to manipulate the disciples. It was all part of a plan. Ray often talks about something similar, how successfully he'd manipulated them, how she looks back and can hardly recognise herself. We're on a train in the countryside.
Lots of lush greenery, some sheep. We're a long way from London. Yeah, I've always felt like maybe by choosing to live in such a remote location, Ray is hiding. Is she hiding just from her past? Is she hiding from, like, what she went through? Even our taxi driver agrees it's remote. Middle of nowhere. Yeah, there's no pubs around. She'd be very lucky to find anything. Really? You've got to have a little bit of local knowledge to get there, right? MUSIC
And the man who masterminded the whole thing, TB Joshua, is now dead. But his disciples are still living with the pain of what he inflicted. Hi! Hi!
I mean... It's tight out at the moment, but, yeah, when it comes in, it's like a lake. Gentle, gentle. So Ray has two huge dogs. They are the size of me. I think they're probably about my height, 5'8", and I'm a little bit terrified of dogs, so... And they're really smelly. Very, very smelly. They're the kind of dog where... Friendly, though. Very friendly, but the kind of dog where when you stroke it, your hand kind of smells pretty bad for, like, an hour afterwards. LAUGHTER
but they were very friendly. Her world is a little bit chaotic, but Ray looks happy. Who wants coffee? Who wants tea? Who wants juice? Even though Ray's, what, 10 years older than she was when she was in those videos for the church, she looks younger. She's in her 40s, but she looks like she's in her 30s. And she's also got so much more energy in her eyes, but also in her face and how she moves and how she talks.
It's like she is a ghost in those old videos and that she's now finally alive again. Yeah, I mean, even the way she dresses, she's wearing, like, a plaid shirt, jeans, Doc Martens, hair shaved around the sides, compared to that sort of power suit she was wearing in that video, which was super old-fashioned. Yeah, I think her hair was tied back in like a ponytail and now, you know, every time you see her, she's got a different haircut.
Very, very expressive. We're probably a couple of weeks away now from everything coming out. And it's two years, over two years since we first met and we started this. And yeah, we've been all over the world. It was like meeting you was...
grabbing a little piece of string and we just started pulling that string and it just went deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and none of us had any idea how far this would go. I know that you knew when you first met us that there were potentially loads of victims out there. I don't think any of us had any idea there'd be this many.
It is a nerve wracking junction now. Yeah, I mean, I can imagine like the joy of discovering that you're going to have a child, right? And then this baby kind of grows and then you go into labour and all of a sudden you're like, oh, good God, I can't do this. This is like really painful. Can't do it. And it's kind of like, well, you've got no bloody choice because you got yourself in this state in the first place and it just has to happen. And I'm really hoping that we'll be able to like stand up and say it was worth it.
Today, Ray is openly queer and lives with her partner. What does it feel like, you know, now you're sort of able to love and you've accepted yourself, given that that is what kind of drove you to the church in the first place? Yeah, I mean, I think I'm a different person and I think I'd like to think I'm the person that I would have always wanted to be, but just with a little bit more of a colourful past. Maybe I'm more interesting, I don't know. Um...
I guess that the thing that kind of led me there is my nemesis is like this like queer nature, queer person ended up kind of being the thing that has rescued me. People need to know how to discover themselves and how to love themselves. I kind of feel like anybody that went to a cult probably had a reason why they joined and have got a part of themselves that they were trying to fix.
And I think, like, that's one of the things I've learned through it, is, like, that thing that you think is broken, that drives you there, is often not broken at all. The word cult gets thrown around a lot these days. To millions of people around the world, this church was not a cult. It was an evangelical church with an amazingly entertaining TV station. But to the disciples we spoke to, who lived inside the compound with him...
all are emphatic that it was a cult. The time Ray spent at the Synagogue Church of All Nations, 12 years, has left a huge imprint on her life. We left with nothing and we went back to families that had basically been devastated in one way or another.
And what they've got to say is important. Whatever happens next, it is a record of something.
You never join a cult. No one ever joins a cult. They join a self-help group or they join a church or they join a marketing group or they join like a political alliance. I'm hoping that somewhere in this people will start to be able to say, oh my God, it's like that where I am or I've experienced that. I kind of hope that through it other people can see themselves and question. We were silenced.
for years. Knowing now where we are now that there are so many people with the same narrative, with the same story is so validating. It makes people not feel alone anymore. There's almost like a universal human vulnerability when it comes to cults. And there is something about the story that
transcends the individual lives of these people because they're from all around the world and they still manage to get sucked into the same system. They still manage to be indoctrinated in the same way. So it says something about us, I think, as human beings that we're susceptible to these things. I think it's that human beings are always searching for something. They could be searching for meaning, trying to understand something about themselves.
And that is universal. And this is someone who presented himself as having an answer. And I think, you know, we've said before, one of the biggest tragedies about this is the fact that, you know, they all thought they were going into something that would be good for themselves, but other people, they wanted to impact the world positively. They wanted to do good. And ultimately, that's not what happened. So what now? Well, T.P. Joshua is dead.
But his church isn't, and it's still thriving. Today, we celebrate the life and legacy of Prophet TB Joshua, the mighty servant of God. The Emmanuel TV family is saying... This is the celebration of his life in June 2023, two years after he died. The best is yet to come. In Lagos, a museum has been built in memory of TB Joshua.
He died with Nigeria's highest honour. And in the church itself, his tomb has become a pilgrimage site where people continue to come seeking healing. The church still has a presence in Europe. They did a tour in Spain in 2023. And here's a crusade in Kenya two months ago, led by TB Joshua's wife, Evelyn. I am Jesus Christ.
Evelyn has now taken over from her late husband, T.B. Joshua, as the head of the church. How much did she know about what happened inside that compound? The disciples are divided on this. Before we approached the church with the disciples' allegations in detail, we asked Evelyn for an interview.
In response, we received an email saying the church would only respond once we detailed the allegations in full. We approached the Synagogue Church of All Nations with the allegations made in this series. They did not offer a response or address any of the claims directly. But in their earlier email told us that making unfounded allegations against Prophet TB Joshua is not a new occurrence. None of the allegations was ever substantiated.
In December 2023, two and a half years since we met with Annika and Ray that first time in a pub, we meet them again in the BBC office in London. They're still friends and speak regularly. They laugh together. A lot. But when we sit down to discuss their lives today, one thing Annika says really stays with me. How grateful she is to no longer be in that compound in Lagos to get her life back.
I've been able to go back to school and get a degree. I've enrolled in musical theatre groups. I've written songs. I've been singing. I sang at people's weddings. I've pursued acting careers, which was my passion before. And I did a writing degree, so now I'm in my third book trying to write it. And...
Yeah, I'm free to do that because we were told before in our disciple meetings that if you left this place, your life would go to pot and you will never amount to anything. And we're just proving, we're all proving that wrong. Thanks, Annie. Nice. If you're wondering what's happened to TB Joshua's daughter, a joker, currently she's in a safe house. She's on the other side of the world, but we speak almost every week. And like Annika, she loves singing.
Can we play one of your tracks? Yeah, of course. You can't, you can't play it. Including something you might recognise. Summer, winter time I have stayed Small and big altars I have prayed Should I follow what the prophet says Should I follow my heart or sway
Summer, winter time I have stayed Small and big altars I have prayed Should I follow what the prophet says? Should I follow my heart or sway? It's a different kind of pain My heart feels broken and I'm in chains Mentally and physically it still dictates All my needs and wants is here to stay
Or should I express it? I kinda regretting. What is the next thing? What is the next step? Where do I run to?
Summer, winter time I have stayed Small and big altars I have prayed Should I follow what the prophet says? Should I follow my heart or sway? Summer, winter time I have stayed Small and big altars I have prayed Should I follow what the prophet says? Should I follow my heart or sway?
What do you do when your pastor needs repenting? All your friends and families, they all are depending on you. It takes a special kind of trusting and anointing. It takes a special kind of anointing. Thanks for listening to World of Secrets, Season 2, The Disciples, from the BBC World Service. This is Episode 9 of 9.
Thank you to everyone around the world who spoke to us and shared their stories for this investigation. We want as many people as possible to hear their stories, so please do tell others about World of Secrets. And where you can do, rate and leave a review. We'd be really grateful and it really does help. This season of World of Secrets is produced by BBC Audio Documentaries and is presented by me, Yemi Siadigoke, and Charlie Northcott.
It's been made in collaboration with BBC Africa Eye, with original investigation by Charlie Northcott and Helen Spooner. The producer is Rob Byrne. Additional production from Tom Sarté. The executive producer is Georgia Catt. Music by Anna Papadimitriou. The series editor is Philip Sellers. The editor of BBC Africa Eye is Tom Watson. At the BBC World Service, the senior podcast producer is Lee Trung.
and the podcast commissioning editor is John Manel. Thank you again for listening.
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