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Panel: An immigration war in America?

2025/6/13
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Andy Mok: 我认为美国正在发生一场移民战争，但更深层的问题是美国社会存在本体论断裂，不同群体对现实的理解截然不同。一部分美国人（右派或MAGA支持者）认为美国面临生存威胁，而另一部分人（进步派或蓝州）则认为问题不大。如果这种本体论断裂无法弥合，可能导致长期冲突和暴力循环。这既是长期移民问题的集中体现，也是一种本体论断裂，存在演变成公开冲突甚至内战的现实危险。 Joseph Siracusa: 我认为如果特朗普想施加影响和权力，洛杉矶是一个好的开始地点。加州，特别是洛杉矶，长期以来都是抗议的中心，并且是庇护州，拒绝与联邦当局合作驱逐移民。洛杉矶容忍大量无证工人，因为他们在农业、酒店业和建筑工地工作，从事美国人不愿做的工作。美国历史上一直存在本土主义，排斥外来人口，但现在边境相对开放，因为人们在寻找美国人不愿做的工作。如果特朗普想与纽森州长作对，并在一个显眼的地方挑起争端，他选对了地方，但他也可以选择纽约、芝加哥或费城等其他容忍移民的城市。特朗普将此事看得非常私人化，过去的总统也曾在不同地方调动军队镇压骚乱。向洛杉矶部署海军陆战队是过度反应，洛杉矶警察本可以控制局势。

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The US government's actions against illegal immigration are analyzed, described as potentially escalating into a larger conflict due to significant differences in how segments of the population view the situation. Experts warn of the risk of a deeper societal rift.
  • The US is facing a potential 'immigration war', a long-brewing conflict.
  • Significant portions of the US population hold vastly different understandings of the immigration issue.
  • The situation risks escalating into a prolonged cycle of violence, potentially resembling the Israel-Palestine or Northern Ireland conflicts.

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In the United States, the conflict between California and the Trump administration over immigration appears to be further intensifying. Federal immigration officials are carrying out enforcement activities in California, especially the Los Angeles area, as part of President Donald Trump’s mass deportation policy. The raids have been sharply criticized by local officials who say everything in their daily life is being affected by the activities targeting immigrant families. At the center of the clash is the federal government’s decision to order the deployment of National Guard members and Marines to LA after days of protests driven by anger over the raids.

What does the clash tell us about the social and political divisions in the United States? Host Ding Heng is joined by Joseph Siracusa, Professor of Global Futures at Curtin University, and Andy Mok, Senior Research Fellow at the Center for China and Globalization.