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Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh

2025/1/9
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Marc Maron: 我担心法西斯主义的威胁,尤其是在美国。我关注的是在面对无知的单一文化时,如何通过艺术探索和拥抱人们的脆弱性,表达人类的独特性。 在与Mike Leigh的谈话中,我发现我们对法西斯主义的担忧是共通的,这与我个人经历的危机产生了共鸣。我们都认为艺术有责任对抗政治威胁,但艺术能否真正对抗法西斯主义是一个难题。 我欣赏Mike Leigh电影中对人性的深刻刻画,以及他对人性和日常生活中悲喜交加的平衡感。他的电影让我看到了人类的挣扎和韧性,这在当下这个充满不确定性的时代尤为重要。 Mike Leigh: 我也担心美国的法西斯主义抬头,这让人难以言喻。从乐观积极的战后世界走向了难以想象的境地,这令人震惊。艺术必须对抗我们面临的政治问题,这是不可谈判的。 我的电影并非政治性很强,但希望能触动人心,引起人们对人性的思考。艺术能否对抗法西斯主义的威胁是一个难题,但我只能继续创作,坚持自己的创作理念。 我的电影制作方法是独特的,它注重演员的参与和即兴创作,通过与演员的长期合作,共同探索角色和故事。我的电影是现实主义的,而非自然主义的,它们是经过高度提炼和构建的,反映了生活本身既悲剧又喜剧的本质。 我从不预先写好完整的剧本,而是通过与演员的即兴创作和讨论,逐步构建故事和角色。我的电影关注的是真实的人,而不是英雄或理想化的人物。

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What is unique about Mike Leigh's filmmaking process?

Mike Leigh's process involves working with actors to build characters and stories through improvisation and collaboration. There is no script initially, and each actor only knows what their character knows. Leigh works separately with each actor to develop their character, and the film's premise emerges organically through this process. Scenes are scripted and refined during rehearsals, and the final script is only completed after filming.

How does Mike Leigh differentiate realism from naturalism in his films?

Mike Leigh emphasizes that his films are realistic, not naturalistic. Realism in his work is about capturing the essence of human experience in a heightened and dramatic way, rather than adhering to surface-level naturalism. His films are carefully constructed and distilled, avoiding ad hoc improvisational material.

What role does music play in Mike Leigh's films?

Music in Mike Leigh's films adds a poetic layer, often reflecting the tone and themes of the story. While some films, like 'Bleak Moments,' use diegetic music (music within the action), others feature original scores composed after the film's rough cut. The music is carefully integrated to enhance the emotional and thematic depth of the narrative.

How does Mike Leigh approach casting and working with actors?

Mike Leigh conducts lengthy auditions to find actors who can embody characters authentically. He avoids method acting, instead focusing on creating a clear distinction between the actor and the character. Actors are encouraged to explore their characters through improvisation and research, and Leigh works closely with them to develop physicality, language, and relationships. The process is highly collaborative and disciplined.

What is the significance of working-class themes in Mike Leigh's films?

Mike Leigh's films often focus on working-class characters, portraying their struggles and everyday lives with a blend of tragedy and comedy. This focus stems from Leigh's own upbringing in a working-class area of Manchester and his desire to depict real people and their experiences. His films aim to represent the complexities and contradictions of human life, particularly within working-class communities.

How does Mike Leigh view the relationship between art and politics?

Mike Leigh believes that art has a non-negotiable role in confronting political and social issues. While his films are not explicitly polemical, he aims to create work that resonates with audiences on a human level, encouraging them to reflect on societal challenges. He acknowledges the difficulty of art directly combating fascism or other oppressive forces but emphasizes the importance of continuing to create meaningful, humanistic work.

What inspired Mike Leigh's historical films like 'Topsy-Turvy' and 'Mr. Turner'?

Mike Leigh's historical films, such as 'Topsy-Turvy' and 'Mr. Turner,' were inspired by his fascination with the 19th century and its cultural figures. 'Topsy-Turvy' explores the world of Gilbert and Sullivan, while 'Mr. Turner' delves into the life of the painter J.M.W. Turner. These films challenge assumptions about Leigh's work and highlight the humanity of their subjects, blending historical detail with emotional depth.

How does Mike Leigh handle endings in his films?

Mike Leigh's films often end ambiguously, leaving the audience to interpret and reflect on the story. He avoids tidy conclusions, instead focusing on the ongoing nature of human experiences. This approach encourages viewers to engage with the film's themes and characters long after the credits roll, fostering a deeper connection to the narrative.

What challenges does Mike Leigh face in funding his films?

Mike Leigh often struggles to secure funding for his films due to his unconventional process, which lacks a script at the outset. Many backers are hesitant to invest without a clear outline or big-name stars. Despite these challenges, Leigh remains committed to his artistic vision, often relying on collaborators and institutions like the BBC and Channel 4 to support his projects.

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Mike Leigh’s films are known for their observant depictions of the working class, their tragicomic tones, and their improvisational construction. But there are some misconceptions about his work that Mike would like to clear up. He does so while talking with Marc about his life-changing introduction to foreign films, his method of collaboration with his actors, the difference between realism and naturalism, and some details about the making of Secrets and Lies, Vera Drake, Topsy-Turvy, Naked and his new film Hard Truths. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast).

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