cover of episode EP-44 和 Vitalik 回忆以太坊的中国故事、俄乌战争、大小区块

EP-44 和 Vitalik 回忆以太坊的中国故事、俄乌战争、大小区块

2024/12/3
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Vitalik Buterin
以太坊联合创始人和核心开发者,推动以太坊技术和生态系统发展,积极参与社区交流和创新。
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Vitalik Buterin: 2015年访问中国期间,万向区块链的投资对当时几乎破产的以太坊基金会至关重要,这笔资金可能挽救了以太坊。 中国社区在2015年展现出蓬勃发展的态势,涌现出许多创新应用,例如币乎等,这与当时国外社区形成了鲜明对比。高昂的交易费用导致许多非DeFi项目难以生存,但这在如今L2技术的兴起下有望得到改善。 大小区块之争源于不同群体理念的差异,大区块的支持者更关注用户体验和实际应用,而小区块的支持者则更侧重于技术和安全性。大区块的理念更正确,但其支持者的执行能力不足,导致最终失败。比特币社区的技术发展停滞不前,主要关注价格,缺乏对技术创新的关注。 以太坊和比特币的文化差异显著,比特币社区更关注财富积累,而以太坊社区更关注技术发展和构建更美好的世界。 我个人更喜欢“世界计算机”来形容以太坊,它代表着以太坊及其应用生态系统可以实现的目标,即构建一个去中心化的、共享的存储和计算平台,以解决中心化系统带来的问题。 区块链是唯一值得信任的平台,因为它去中心化、抗审查,不会关闭账户、窃取资金或个人信息。 俄乌战争彻底改变了我的生活和想法,让我更加积极地参与到国际事务中。 Colin Wu: (此部分内容由对话引导,未在原文中体现具体观点,故此处留空)

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Key Insights

Why did Vitalik consider Wanxiang's support crucial for Ethereum's survival in 2015?

In 2015, Ethereum's foundation was nearly out of funds, and Wanxiang purchased 410,000 ETH at $1.2 per ETH, providing $500,000 in support. This financial injection was critical for the foundation's survival and allowed it to continue supporting developers.

What was Vitalik's impression of the Chinese blockchain ecosystem during his visits in 2014 and 2015?

Vitalik was impressed by the advanced ecosystem in China, noting that companies like OKCoin and Huobi had more employees than their U.S. counterparts. By 2015, he observed the emergence of applications like Zafed and BitCherry, which were experimenting with fractionalized shares and decentralized social platforms.

Why does Vitalik believe that only DeFi projects survived during the DeFi Summer?

High transaction fees made it unsustainable for non-financial applications to thrive. For example, social media users would not pay $1 to $15 per post, whereas DeFi users could absorb these costs. This led to the dominance of DeFi projects during that period.

What is Vitalik's current view on the Bitcoin community's technological development?

Vitalik is not optimistic about the Bitcoin community's technological progress, noting that it has become more focused on Bitcoin's price and digital gold narrative rather than innovation. He contrasts this with Ethereum's developer-centric culture.

How did the Russian invasion of Ukraine personally impact Vitalik?

The invasion deeply affected Vitalik, leading him to publicly oppose the war and donate $5 million to Ukraine. He also realized that returning to Russia could result in imprisonment, marking a significant personal and political shift in his life.

Why does Vitalik prefer the concept of Ethereum as a 'world computer'?

Vitalik sees Ethereum as a platform that combines decentralized storage and open-source technology, enabling collaborative applications like decentralized social networks and Google Docs alternatives. This aligns with his vision of Ethereum as a tool for global innovation and public goods.

What does Vitalik identify as the key difference between Bitcoin and Ethereum cultures?

Bitcoin culture is often focused on wealth accumulation and price speculation, while Ethereum culture emphasizes innovation, public goods, and technological development. Vitalik notes that Ethereum's community is more developer-driven and less concerned with financial gain.

Why does Vitalik believe blockchain is uniquely trustworthy?

Blockchain is decentralized and resistant to censorship, making it the only platform where users can trust that their accounts won't be closed, their funds won't be stolen, and their personal information won't be misused. This is especially valuable in regions with unstable financial systems or political conflicts.

Chapters
This chapter recounts Vitalik Buterin's first experiences in China in 2014 and 2015, highlighting the significant support from Wanxiang and the impressive development of projects like Bihu. It also touches upon the challenges faced by early projects due to high transaction fees.
  • Vitalik's initial surprise at the scale of Chinese crypto companies in 2014.
  • Wanxiang's crucial investment in Ethereum's early days.
  • Bihu's innovative approach to incentivizing content creators.
  • High gas fees hindering the growth of non-DeFi projects.

Shownotes Transcript

本期播客为吴说创始人 Colin Wu 对话以太坊联合创始人 Vitalik Buterin 的第一部分,主要讨论了以下问题:回忆以太坊与中国结缘的故事,他重点强调了万向的“救命”支持和对币乎的记忆;讨论 BCH 大区块没有成功的原因;以太坊和比特币文化的差异;为什么认可以太坊是世界计算机的概念;区块链为什么是唯一值得信任的;俄乌战争对Vitalik自己如何产生巨大的改变。

需要注意的是,Vitalik 是用非母语的中文接受采访,一些表达可能存在不一定十分准确的情况,请读者理解包容。

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时间线:

00:00 开场

02:18 回忆以太坊的中国故事

04:35 对币乎记忆深刻

06:32 万向可能救了以太坊一命

08:11 交易费用导致几乎只有 DeFi 项目能活下来

12:37 大小区块之争源自两个群体的理念不同

17:22 大区块的理想更对,但执行能力不够

18:48 不看好现在的比特币社区的技术发展

22:16 比特币与以太坊文化的差异:土豪和开发者?

23:51 回顾曾经多元化的比特币社区

28:31 个人比较喜欢"世界计算机"这个词和概念

44:30 唯一值得信任的只有区块链

53:02 俄乌战争如何彻底改变了我