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How to combat parental burnout

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Marielle Segarra: 作为一名尚未成为父母的人,我观察到育儿就像身处一个四面八方不断有球高速飞来的击球笼,让人难以招架。父母们不仅要努力保障孩子的安全和健康,还要应对日常生活中各种琐事带来的压力。育儿一直以来都充满挑战,但现在的数据表明,与过去相比,父母们面临着更多的工作和育儿时间,同时却减少了照顾自己和社交的时间,这导致了更高的压力和孤独感。我们需要在全国范围内进行系统性的变革,例如提供更优质和可负担的儿童保育服务,以及带薪家庭假等。 Andee Tagle: 父母的时间非常宝贵,他们常常需要同时处理多项任务。区分日常压力和父母倦怠至关重要,倦怠是一种长期的情绪低落状态,可能导致人际关系疏远和家庭关系紧张。无形的劳动是父母倦怠的主要因素,而且这种负担主要落在女性身上。因此,我们需要重新思考充电方式,允许自己成为一个完整的人,而不仅仅是父母。同时,育儿是一项团队运动,我们需要培养联系和社区,互相支持。 Nikisha Hammond: 倦怠是由过度和长期压力引起的情绪、身体和精神衰竭状态。它可能表现为频繁头痛、睡眠问题或食欲改变,并导致人际关系疏远和烦躁不安。为了预防倦怠,我们可以每天花一点时间重置和充电,例如深呼吸或进行五感练习。同时,问自己“我怎么样?”和“我需要什么?”,并认识到和表达自己的状态。如果感到担忧,最好咨询医生或心理健康专家。 Eve Rodsky: 让人倦怠的不是做汉堡本身,而是购买食材、安排时间等一系列步骤。女性承担了家庭中大部分的精神负担,这导致她们的大脑超负荷。为了减轻精神负担,我们必须像重视他人一样重视自己的时间。记录下所有育儿和家务任务,找出时间和精力上的漏洞,并与伴侣定期沟通,重新协商家务分工。此外,找到并重塑自己的“独角兽空间”,培养对生活本身的兴趣,这与阶级无关,重要的是如何看待自己的时间。 Vivek Murthy: 社交媒体导致了比较危机,父母也在互相比较,这让他们感到焦虑和自责。与此相反,我们需要与其他人坦诚交流,互相支持,并建立社区联系。减少在社交媒体上的时间,多与朋友和家人联系,并在需要时敢于寻求和接受帮助。主动提供帮助,因为人们在需要帮助时往往不好意思开口。育儿需要团队合作,分担负担能减轻压力,小小的善举也能带来很大的改变。

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I am not a parent, at least not yet. But having watched my friends and family raise their kids, parenting seems to me like being in one of those batting cages where there's a ball ejected in the direction of your face going however many miles per hour over and over nonstop, except the balls are coming from every direction and you couldn't possibly hit them all. Also, some days it feels like you're in there without a bat or a helmet. ♪

My friends are trying to keep their kids safe and healthy. They're trying to raise good humans with a clear sense of right and wrong. And at the same time, they're just trying to get through the day. While one kid is pulling all the toilet paper off the roll, the other two are pulling each other's hair, the doorbell's ringing, and dinner is burning on the stove.

Parenting has always been hard and overwhelming, but I was surprised that recent data shows in a lot of ways it's even tougher now. Parents compared to two decades ago are spending more time at work than they were. And this is moms and dads. That may not be surprising.

But what is surprising is that moms and dads are also spending more time in child care than they were two decades ago. So what are they doing less of, is the question. In August of 2024, then U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, that's whose voice you just heard, issued an advisory on the mental health and well-being of parents. The government said it was an urgent public health issue requiring awareness and action.

The advisory included a snapshot of the things that are stressing out parents. Concerns about technology and social media, safety and school shootings, the growing children's mental health crisis. In addition to the more familiar worries like your kid's future, societal expectations, financial strains, and relentless time demands.

So what does that all add up to for parents? It's less time taking care of themselves, recuperating. It's less time socializing with others. 48% of parents are saying that on most days their stress is completely overwhelming. 48%. That's nearly one in two.

At the same time, parents are struggling with record levels of loneliness that are significantly higher than the general population. We know what would really move the needle for families in this regard is change on a systemic nationwide level. Recent data shows the U.S. ranks very low or last in access, cost, and quality of childcare compared to all other developed countries.

And we're behind when it comes to access to paid family leave, affordable care options, and living wages for child care workers. So this is not just a problem to be solved by individual families. But there is a lot that parents can do to deal with the stress and get ahead of exhaustion. And if you don't think you have time to do that for yourself, do it for your kids. ♪

One of the things that we know is that the mental health of parents and kids are deeply intertwined. Left unchecked, parental burnout can strain parent-child relationships, leading to behavioral and emotional problems for kids and unhealthy coping mechanisms in families. On this episode of Life Kit, understanding parental burnout. Reporter Andy Tegel is going to teach you to spot the signs and assess how you spend your time. And she'll also offer realistic solutions for dealing with daily parenting stress.

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Because if you're anything like me, I'm assuming you have a running to-do list for the day, 20 tabs open in your head, and at least five other things you could or simultaneously are doing while listening to this.

Which leads me right to takeaway one, no time to waste here. Learn your line between everyday stress and parental burnout. It's not having just a bad day. We all have bad days, but it's when it really becomes chronic. And it's something that over time, it can be weeks, it could be months that you're really feeling shut down. Nikisha Hammond is a psychologist and author who specializes in mental wellness and burnout prevention in the Tampa Bay area of Florida.

The term burnout is thrown around a lot these days. So just so we're all on the same page, here's her by-the-book definition. Burnout is a state of emotional, physical, and mental exhaustion caused by excessive and prolonged stress. Now, it can show up differently for everyone, but common symptoms to look out for include feelings of cynicism, mood swings, decreased productivity or effectiveness, or you might feel it more in your body.

Maybe it's frequent headaches, sleep problems, or a change in appetite. For some people, it's

leads to withdrawal from others. So you may feel like you don't want to be around your significant other or your children or your coworkers or whomever it may be. For some people, it leads to agitation and irritability. One resource I found helpful described parental burnout as an extra heavy fatigue that can make it hard to enjoy family time. And it's a canary in a coal mine. So if symptoms are starting to sing out to you,

you want to take action before that burnout becomes a bigger health condition like heart disease, high blood pressure, or depression. First, for those moments of high stress, Nikesha suggests simply taking a minute, like literally just one. You can set a timer on your phone if you want. The key is to get your mind and body back to a calm state. It doesn't make all your problems go away. It does not. But it does allow you to mentally work on taking that shift and

starting with 60 seconds that it's okay to reset. It's okay to recharge. You're training yourself how to get into that mentality because those little daily steps consistently is what can help you work on checking in and preventing burnout. In that minute, breathe deeply. Do a quick five senses exercise or just drink your tea and try to really taste it. Whatever best helps you slow down and reset.

Then, once you've calmed, maybe you'll have enough mental space to ask yourself just two questions. How am I doing? And what do I need? Maybe you're in a space where you're like, I'm great. I just need more exercise. I need more, you know, better sleep. I need better nutrition or whatever that answer was. There's not a right or wrong. But it is about asking yourself questions to sort of filter the answer. And while you won't necessarily be able to meet every need right away, you'll still

Just being able to recognize and verbalize where you're at is an important first step. Now, if you don't have clear answers for yourself, but you're feeling concerned, Nikisha says it's always a good idea to reach out to your doctor or a mental health professional.

For them to say to you, you know what, this is absolutely typical for, you know, say having a newborn or having a teenager. Or no, you really are at the point where you're burnt out or you're past that point where you're now experiencing some significant anxiety or depression or whatever it may be. Now, to beat burnout long term, there's another important aspect of child rearing we need to address. Let's move this to the family dinner table, shall we? Takeaway two, don't discount the weight of invisible labor.

It's a major factor of parental burnout, and the burden is mostly falling on women.

It isn't making the hamburger that necessarily burns somebody out. It's the, where do I buy the buns? When should I do this in between work and home? How do I get that dinner on the table? How do I make sure my children eat that burger? So all the steps around execution of the task is, in my mind, the missing link around these discussions about parental burnout. That's author and activist Eve Rodsky. And I'm

really known for being an expert on the gender division of labor and my book, Fair Play, which works on the dynamics, especially between couples, on who handles all of the childcare and housework for a family. What Eve was describing with those hamburgers was the weight of the mental load required to maintain a household.

You might have also heard of it as the second shift or invisible labor. It's decision-making and problem-solving, coordinating schedules and list-making and gift-buying, remembering details, anticipating needs, and planning ahead. Transporting your kids to school, medical and healthy living, social media monitoring, friendships.

in law management. It goes on and on. So that actually, really, it does add up to a brain that can feel an overload. And we hear that over and over again from women. Yep, women specifically.

According to one recent study, mothers take on 71% of the mental load for their families on average. And Eve also did her own study on this, where her team has participants about 30 common household tasks. What they found was one group was responsible for the mental load of 29 of them. Women shoulder all the cognitive labor except for garbage. Now I'll say here, just as I did in our full episode about the division of domestic labor with Eve...

That, of course, not all households have a distinctly lopsided list-keeper structure like this. Just like they all don't have children, or a heterosexual partnership, or a partnership at all, or a friendly fiddly fig by the front door. Still looking good, Eddie.

But it's a common enough experience, and it goes unaddressed often enough, that it's worth highlighting. Because yes, Eve says, of course parental stress is a problem. But if we're talking burnout... If you don't call out that this is falling on mothers, and you call it parents, then what you're going to do is you're not going to really be able to solve for the key issue here, which is the redistribution of cognitive labor. Now, of course, the exact math will look different for every parent. But the logic...

still applies. What time assumptions might you be carrying into your roles as a partner, parent, or professional? Like, maybe you automatically shoulder more housework because your partner makes a bit more money. Or you missed another doctor's appointment to drop off the homework you reminded your kid three times not to forget.

Maybe you're the de facto mentor of new employees at the office. No, you're not paid for the extra workload, but you're just so warm, so welcoming. We don't want any couple, regardless of your family configuration, to be stuck in assumptions. If you want to stop feeling so overburdened by your mental load, Eve says you have to start actually valuing your time as much as you do everyone else's. To do that, first, get a grasp of exactly how you're spending it and on what.

This could look like a single piece of paper or your notes app with a column for all the parenting and housework tasks you own, a column for your co-parent or co-caregiver if you have one, and a column for shared tasks. You could start with everything you do in a standard week or the whole enchilada. Once you have a full picture, it'll be easier to spot the burns. Any obvious time black holes, big imbalances or impracticalities? Does your list paint a clear picture that your partner could do more and you could do less?

or vice versa, this exercise is going to take some time and will likely warrant change. Eve shared what one of the first conversations with her husband was like. I noticed that you have three hours after our kids go to bed, Seth, and in the morning, where you get to work out, finish a PowerPoint deck, relax, where I do things in service of the home, literally until my head hits the pillow, three hours after you go to bed. And that's fundamentally unfair, and I'm just not going to live that way anymore. ♪

If you live with a partner or co-parent, take some of that high emotion out of this process by setting up a regular weekly check-in to go over schedules, renegotiate household tasks as necessary, and draw a border around your you time. But I know, that still doesn't make this step less scary or small for a lot of people. It'll require ongoing buy-in, clear-cut communication, and trust from your whole family. The good news? There's a light at the end of the tunnel.

And bonus, it's got a really fun name. Takeaway three, rethink your recharge. The only thing I could find that was an antidote to burnout was being consistently interested in your own life. To us, this idea of what we call unicorn space, this space which is fictional like a unicorn, but you can reclaim it because it's beautiful and magical. It's really the space to say, I want to be interested again in my own life and I'm willing to practice and try different things like music.

I can't believe I just did that. That was the number one term that people who started to practice being interested in their own lives came back to us with. I can't believe I just did that. Now, don't let the glittery name confuse you. Creating a unicorn space that is regular, protected, guilt-free time for you to explore self-expression will require some heavy lifting. Because it is not the one weekend a year for your college friends because that's not consistent.

And being consistently interested in your own life requires a practice of boundary systems and communication so that you can reclaim your time and say, okay, I have systems in place to make things more efficient. And we actually have to be able to communicate and ask for what we need. But we don't even know what we need because some of the things we're told to need are, can I take a shower? If you've already worked through that time audit, found that mythical free space, and put it on the shared family calendar, you've made it to the fun part, figuring out what to do with it.

If you don't know exactly what your unicorn space thing is already, Eve has a three-step, three Cs plan. The first C is curiosity. As in, what is one thing you can do this month outside of your roles as parent, partner, and professional? That's where I want people to start.

One thing that you can do outside of your roles that excites you this month. Now, there are no wrong answers here and no investment required, but aim for an activity that lights you up and can speak to some of your values. What does that mean exactly? So I mentioned to Eve, for example, that there was an adult beginner ballet class that kept catching my eye. When she asked why, I thought about it and I realized it's because I'm really craving some playfulness in my life.

Some agility, beauty, freedom. Maybe you are craving connection and action. And that takes the form of getting involved in local politics. Or maybe like Eve, you're seeking more spirituality in your life. For her, that's taking the form of classes with a rabbi. But you don't have to sign up for some time-intensive class either. She says you can express these values in tiny bursts too. That can be skipping down the street in Central Park.

playfulness, and fun. I want you to feel those things in your life. And it could be from ballet or it could be for something else. But we find that people who take it to their values and they get there through backing in by something that they love will stick with that consistent interest in your own life. The next C is connection.

This is the part, Eve says, that makes a unicorn space different from plain old self-care. Because you have to take that thing you've been doing and put it on display. And I can't believe I just did that moment. Often happens in the company of others. And that connection, the sharing yourself with the world, is the scary part. Now, this doesn't have to be on a grand scale. But the idea here is when you share your passion, you never know what doors might open up for you or for the people you share it with.

Take, for example, the stay-at-home mom you've talked to. She was feeling a bit stuck, so she signed up for a car race. Then, she liked it so much, she eventually went on to become one of the top women racers in the world.

The final step is completion. And so many parents are afraid of perfection and they equate that to completion, that they will say, oh, this sounds all wonderful. I would love to practice playfulness through a podcast with my kid, but no, I would never do that because we're never going to chart on Apple Podcasts. So people automatically shoot down the thing that would bring them the antidote to burnout because they're afraid it's not going to be perfect.

but it really just has to be complete. Maybe that means just making a single episode of that podcast or writing the first chapter of that book you've been composing in your head for 10 years.

It doesn't have to be big. You just need to have an end point in mind because that's what will define your unicorn space as separate from a practice like daily meditation or going to the gym. It's great to have a practice. However, it is important to have some of those completion moments because it's great for dopamine. It's great to say, I can't believe I just did that. That lasts forever.

Now, depending on where we found you in your parenthood journey, or in your life, or just at this very moment, this whole idea might sound anywhere from super exciting to wildly unrealistic. Maybe you've got a demanding job. Maybe more than one. Maybe you've got a kid full of energy and a backpack full of math homework, a messy house, a rising credit card bill, and absolutely no idea what you're going to cook for dinner. And now we're telling you the fix to your chronic exhaustion is to push your kid aside and add more activity to your plate.

I hear you. Let's be very clear here. Socioeconomic status is a huge factor of parental stress. If you're struggling just to provide basic needs for your child, if you're doing it all on your own, if you're caring for aging family at the same time or dealing with serious health issues or maybe all of the above at once, the likely undue burden on your well-being, the additional barriers to accessing downtime, let alone guilt-free downtime, are very, very real.

We don't want to minimize that. And Eve did extensive research on this subject. And here's what she found. We can prioritize being interested in our own lives. This is not a class issue.

We found that people who were more likely to say that they had unicorn space, I can't believe I just did that activities, were not people necessarily the 1%. It just didn't work that way. It had a lot to do with personally how people have been conditioned to view their time. Like, okay, closing the mommy tab in my brain is nearly impossible. But sometimes I'll find a flow in a script at work or hit a stride on a run.

And for a spell, I'm just me. A lighter, freer, more dynamic me, usually. But then, eventually, I'll realize I've taken off that mom hat and I freeze. Like, wait, I haven't thought about my kid in 45 whole minutes. Even though I know he's safe and he's covered, swift, hot shame on all sides usually follows. But here's the thing. I'll tell you that the days I write, I'm a better parent because I'm weathering

those emotions in a healthy way. I am a better parent. I'm less burnt out. The ballet class, you may think you don't have time for it. That's the best investment to being a better parent. And of course, personal time, owning your personhood is far from the only thing that's weighing down parents with guilt and shame.

Former Surgeon General Vivek Murthy says that social media, for example, has led to a crisis of comparison. It's not just kids who are comparing themselves to each other. It's parents, too. Right. And if we look online, like there are feeds and are filled with influencers and others who are telling us the five steps that you need to make sure that your baby sleeps at night, the three things that you need to do to be the perfect parent. Friend.

I could not begin to add up all the time I've spent worrying about milestones and feeding techniques and sensory toys after a bout of scrolling my feed.

My inner parental critic is loud, and her eyes are always on a swivel. You look online, and it seems like everyone's kind of figured out how to manage tech for their kids, how to get their kid to eat and sleep and behave perfectly. And if you can't do all of that, you start to feel like you've really failed as a parent. And those feelings, they eat away at your self-esteem and your sense of self-efficacy as a parent. But when we start opening up and actually learning

talking honestly with each other as parents, we start to realize, actually, it's not as perfect as it seems online. So instead of just eyeballing what other parents are up to on social media, let's try actually talking to them. Our last stop, takeaway five, parenting is a team sport. Beat burnout collectively through daily moments of authentic connection.

In a 2021 survey, 65% of parents and 77% of single parents reported experiencing loneliness. That might be surprising from the outside looking in, but the often jarring reality for parents is, even with help, the mental load of childcare can feel so, so isolating. But while the workload is undoubtedly heavy, Vivek says...

you don't have to carry it alone. A lot of people are struggling with this. And when we could talk openly with other parents, that's actually when we could not only feel more seen and heard, but where we could step up and start supporting each other. The former Surgeon General's parting prescription for America was to choose community. Because, he says, it's by building relationships, being in service to one another, being grounded by purpose, that we're all best able to weather any manner of hardship.

This isn't groundbreaking, of course. It's a thing we inherently know and are acutely reminded of in the face of any major event in our lives or in the world. It's amazing what can happen when people band together for a common cause.

But what Vivek is advocating for is a daily practice of this kind of community and connection. And it takes a lot less than you think. For example, he and his wife make a conscious effort to spend less time on social media and more of that daily downtime checking in with friends or family. Be it a quick phone call or even a last minute hangout at the house. We just needed to lower the barrier to having people connect.

come over and we just started saying you know what just uh we haven't really planned anything the house is total chaos you might come and trip over something and who knows what will happen but just come and just hang out with us bring your kid and we'll just figure it out together community also means not being scared to ask for or accept help when you need it and if you're a parent you need help in one way or another

Vivek shared with me a time he was talking to a friend about feeling alone and struggling to reach out about it. His friend said to him, you know, your problem isn't that you don't have friends. Your problem is that you're not experiencing friendship. So you have people who if you reached out to them, they'd want to be there for you. You know, people want and like to be helpful. But she's like, you're not giving them the opportunity to be a part of your life and to step in and help out in the way that you would want to help out if they were struggling.

And when I realized that, that my asking for help is not just good for me, but it's good for my friends and it's a two-way street, that really helped me ask for help more. If you know you wouldn't hesitate to pick up your friend's kid after school, why is it so hard for you to make the same ask? Another tip that I absolutely love here...

Don't always wait for the ask or an invitation to help. We need to volunteer and put ourselves in other people's lives a little bit because nine times out of ten when people need help, they're feeling shy and reluctant to ask. And when we reach out and are like, hey, can I give you a hand with this? It looks like you might need some support. I'm here for you. That can make all the difference in the world to a parent who's struggling. There are endless ways to offer moral and practical support to your people. Set up a regular FaceTime date with your godson and stick to it.

Start a meal train for that friend who just had a baby. Surprise your bestie with a babysitting coupon, no strings attached. Call up your brother and ask if your niece could use the delivery of her favorite snacks. Service to others feels good to us too. And small acts of love or kindness don't just have to be reserved for the people you know intimately. Why not spread it around when and where you can?

Like the time Vivek was on the playground with his family and they noticed a parent torn between stepping away for a work call and keeping a close eye on their kid. I remember my wife just said, don't worry, we'll watch your kid. It's fine. Just go do your call. Right. Now, it was no additional effort really from us, but it made such a difference to her. And we felt really good that we were able to do something small to help. Reaching out to other people regularly and in real ways won't wipe away the mental load of child care entirely, of course. Right.

But a burden shared is a burden halved, as they say.

So a burnout shared is a burnout halved, perhaps? Small moments, small acts of help make us feel like we're not alone, that we have people we can rely on. So in my mind, it's the small steps that make a big difference in how connected we feel. It's these small steps that help us build community. And the truth is, we all need community. This is how we were designed to raise kids, not solo, but as a team, because parenting truly is a team sport. ♪

All right, let's get you back to your kids or your ballet class. Takeaway one, learn the line between stress and burnout. Take steps in the moment to cut it off at the pass. Takeaway two, don't underestimate the weight of invisible labor. It's a big contributor to parental burnout and it's largely being carried by women. Takeaway three, rethink your recharge. Give yourself permission to be a whole person, not just a parent. And do your best to let go of that parental guilt and shame.

Takeaway four, parenting is a team sport. Cultivate connection and community on a regular basis. That was LifeKit reporter Andy Tegel.

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