You Can('t) Define Wife For Yourself
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Good day, good people. Shout out to you for tuning in to another episode of Imperfectly Phenomenal Woman. I appreciate you for joining me. And if you're new here, I appreciate you even more. Girl, what's up? I'm Lauren. I am the host and the producer of this show. I've been doing this for a few years now, just coming off of a year-long break because life started to life. But in each episode, I'm typically talking to different women about limiting beliefs that hold us back from living fully and authentically.

I want you to be able to live as the truest essence of yourself. I know for me, I have been on this journey of getting to know and be myself. I am still on this journey. But something that got in the way was trying to live up to the expectations of family, friends, society, and all. Even the unrealistic expectations that I had for myself. And so in all of these episodes, we are talking about these limiting beliefs that hold us back.

And at the end, we are reframing them to fit more within our desired reality. So stay tuned until the end. But this week, I am chatting with Toria Edmonds Howell, and she chose Loaning Belief that you can't define wife for yourself. And so we're covering things from intentionally choosing not to have a wedding, managing people's opinions, what it means for her to be a wife, this idea of being complete and whole in a marriage and a partnership. Very interesting part to me.

compromise, dealing with critique from a partner, dating tips. We cover a lot in this. So let's get into it. I always start episodes by asking guests what brings them joy as a way for people to get to know their spirit. Here's Toria. And this is what brings her joy.

I would say right now what's bringing me joy is being off from work. Amen. Like this year has been a full year. And I feel like just having this time at the end of the year to like not have to think about anything, not have to sign on to a meeting, not have to submit any reports, just like be off. Feels good. It's bringing me joy. I really like that phrase, be off.

off. That just felt real nice when you said it. I'm off too right now. And it feels good, right? It's so much better. But somehow it still feels like I'm busy because I'm looking for apartments. Oh yeah, that's a job within itself, especially with the current pricing of rent and

Yeah. Best of luck to you. But it's nice to have the time to be able to do that outside of when I, you know, would normally be working. So it's still been good. Yeah. I love that you're off. I hope everyone else is enjoying being off. Yes. Yes. If only it could last. Like I historically have taken like the first break.

full week of January off. Like most of my coworkers would return to work and I would still take that week off just so that I'm not like jumping back into like the frantic nature of it all. But this year I'm like, maybe I need two weeks in January. Do it. Ease back into it. I vote yes. Yeah. That's a good way to start your year actually. Yeah. It's just off. Off. I vote yes. Let's do it. All right, cool. So, thank you.

Thank you for introducing yourself. And as you know, so each week I talk to different women about limiting beliefs that hold us back from living fully and authentically. And so this week you chose the topic, you can't define wife for yourself. And so what made you choose that topic? Honestly, I chose it because I feel like...

As I was like approaching marriage and preparing to get married, I felt like so many people had like their ideas of like what I was entering into, what it should look like, what it needed to look like. And I don't subscribe to any of that. And so my husband and I, we just celebrated our two year anniversary.

anniversary. And so I was, I've been spending time reflecting on like two years of marriage and like where we are. And it's been interesting because I feel like we have in a lot of ways made this our own thing. And especially for me, I mean, we started off asking me what's my new last name. And I'm like, I didn't change it. It's still Edmunds Howell. And so I think for me, I've just been like crafting this lane. That's all my own within myself.

the construct of being a wife. Ooh, okay. Constructing this lane that's like your own. Okay. What's this lane look like for you compared to probably, well, maybe we'll start with what other people said that lane should be. So I guess we can start from the beginning. I have for the most part, always known that I didn't want to have a wedding.

like marriage was on the vision board, but a wedding never really was there. And so when my husband and I, when we were engaged, obviously one of the initial questions was like, okay, when are you getting married? Like when's the wedding? And I was like, I'm not having a wedding. And there were so many people who were like, you can't not have a wedding. Like, what do you mean? And we got engaged and

Oh, January 2021. So still pandemic times. And a lot of people thought, oh, you're not having one right now because of the pandemic. And I'm like, no, I'm not having one at all. Like I don't desire to have a wedding. I think there are a lot of reasons why, but I think the main reason was that I just didn't feel like

investing money in this one day event moment was the best use of funds. And even if I had endless money, I probably wouldn't put it towards that. So I think that was one of the initial things, like people being very confused as to why I wouldn't have a wedding. And I think that just kind of set like this

kind of tone around like how I was going to show up because even after we did so my husband and I we decided that we wanted to do just private like exchange of vows go to the courthouse sign the little paperwork we needed to sign and like be done with it and so I think a lot of people

still wanted to like insert themselves in that experience. Like, oh, well, we can be there for that. We can show up for that. And for me, it was like, it's not about anyone but us. But you had a little, you had like a turnip though, right? Yeah. Okay. So we had

an engagement party and that was kind of like the compromise. It happened during a time where a lot of my husband's family would be in the States. He's from the Virgin Islands. And so we're like, okay, we can make something around this moment in time. And so we did have a pretty large engagement

engagement party, which was an opportunity for everyone to get together, celebrate, dance, have fun. Was there a video of you on a table? Do I remember that? You, your memory may be serving you well. That's why I said it was a turn up. It was. It was. You looked like you had a ball. Yeah. And I think what, like looking back on that time, like

This was like summer 2021. I think so many people had been like cooped up in their homes, hadn't really had like a social moment. And, you know, we were smart about it. Like,

The venue that we used kept the number of people who could be in attendance. We asked everyone to test before they came. A lot of people wore masks the entire event, but I think so many people just needed that moment to like have fun, let loose, be in community with loved ones. So yeah, it definitely was a turn up moment and I was on top of a table. Your memory may be serving you well. Yes.

I love that. But in itself, too, like not having a wedding.

could be a topic in itself for this podcast too. Because everyone feels so pressured to have one. I think from my perspective, I don't really see one for myself either. I see something really small, if anything. Yeah. But it would be really, really small with a solid, maybe even 10 people. But I wouldn't call it a wedding. It needs a different name. Yeah. It definitely needs a different name. And I think like...

It's interesting because the wedding is truly for other people. It is. And that's too much money for everybody else. Yeah. When people would ask, like, you're not doing a wedding, like the reasons they would throw out as to why would be like, well, we want to see you in a beautiful dress. You want to see me in a beautiful dress. Like we got to start a girlfriend. Yeah. Or, you know, a lot of older people had the response.

Like, well, what are your parents think? Are your parents okay with that? They need their moment. I'm like, my parents had their wedding. They had their moment. Like, so it's just interesting. But yeah, so I think that was like one of the initial decisions I've made that kind of went against expectations of like,

fitting into the construct of a wife. So then like, what do you feel like wife means to you now? What is the lane that you're carving? And you're probably still carving it. It's in, I'm sure it's in progress. Definitely still carving it. I think I reflect back on my vows in a lot of ways. So my husband and I, we got married on December 12th. So 12, 12. And

I'm one of those people who, you know, I look into numbers and numerology plays a role in my life. And so,

I spent some time like really digging into the significance of the number 12 and, you know, in a lot of ways, 12 represents like completion, wholeness. And I started to spend a lot of time like digging into this concept of like, what does it mean to be complete? What does it mean to be whole? And I think a lot of times, like the narrative that is set up

around like marriage is like you're joining like your second half, this person who's going to make you whole. And I was very clear going into the relationship, going into the engagement, going into the marriage that like we are whole individuals and

on our own. And so, you know, in my vows, I spend a lot of time like really talking about like my commitment to continue to show up as a whole person, continue to like, you know, be on this path and journey of understanding who I am and who I want to be. But yeah, I think that's what the role of wife really means for me, at least in this moment of time is like,

a commitment to my whole self and as long as I can show up as my whole self in this union in this partnership and my husband can do the same. I think that you know we are going to be in a good space and

doing that is easier said than done. Like I've had to really understand that, like, if I want to be my full self, my complete self, I need to also honor that for my husband. And so like there are things, exactly. There are things that like,

maybe they get on my nerves or maybe I don't care for it, but like that's his whole self. And so constantly working to be accepting of that. And then like just digging into numbers a bit more like,

12 plus 12, 24 and 24 being a number that really represents like security and home and family. And so like, as I think about the things, yeah. Yeah. As I think about the things that, you know, I want to accomplish, he wants to accomplish, we want to accomplish out of this marriage, I think.

at the end of the day, as long as we're showing up as our whole selves and creating space for the other person to be their whole selves, that's going to be a beautiful thing. I think that's great. How does compromise play a role in this? Oh, compromise. I think like, I mean, marriage is constant state of compromise. I think when I think about compromise, like

at least in, in our relationship, it really is like a matter of like kind of picking my battles. Like what are the things that I want to like, just let go, like asking myself, is it really that big of a deal? And then what are the things where I'm like, actually, no, like we need to discuss this. We need to figure this out. You need to come to compromise on like,

where's the give and take for each of us? But it is a lot of like picking my battles, deciding like,

is this worth putting energy towards or like, can I just let it go? So yeah. I really like actually, because I was thinking before we got on here, I was like, how would I define wife? I don't have an answer to that quite yet, but it had something to do with being an individual. So it's interesting that that was what you said just now too. I like how you defined it as like showing up as your whole self to a partnership. There are actually two things.

in a way. I think a lot of the time people think about it as one thing, like, and this is all just off top. So I might feel differently about this later, but like people think you join together and now you are one, which like, that's the partnership. That's one part, but there's two pieces still that are coming together. There's two things happening here. And so it's like, you have to really maintain your wholeness and,

And that's almost that that is the commitment that you're giving to this other person that I will maintain my true wholeness. Yeah. Not losing yourself, not shifting yourself. I mean, obviously, as human beings, we're in a constant state of evolution and growing and stretching and all the things. But, you know,

this person, you know, met me as who I am. I met him as who he is. And obviously there's something we liked about that to decide that like, we want to do this thing. And so, yeah, I think it's like the, the whole self showing up for the other and recognizing that your wholeness can look different in different seasons for sure. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's like it made me think of the filling other people's cup thing. And like in those moments where your cup is a little bit more depleted, even though that's still your full self, your full self is just depleted today. Having the other person be able to show up for you is always helpful. So what have you learned about yourself in this process of being a wife? Yeah.

Hmm. I've learned so much. Yeah. Where do I start? I think. Cause also the interesting thing too, with having a partner is they see you. Oh, definitely. In a way you don't always see yourself. So kind of like. And we'll remind you of that all the time. Yeah. And so what have you learned about yourself and what has your partner pointed out to you about yourself? So I think the answer is the same. I've learned it. Cause he continues to point it out that like a, a,

with like critique or criticism. And I've had to sit with that and understand like why, especially if it's coming from someone I care about. Like if it's a stranger or coworker, like you can critique, give feedback all the time. But when it's someone who I care about, it does affect

get under my skin. And I think it's because at the end of the day, I do want to show up as my best self for the people that I love, for the people who I value. And so, and this is probably something I need to sit with a therapist and continue to unpack. But like, when I feel like I'm like falling short of not expectations that another person has, but the expectations I have for myself, I tend to like

retreat and like not want to talk about it, not want to hear it. So definitely that's something that's been pointed out to me. I think the other thing, and this is more surface, but like prior to getting married, I've been living on my own for like 12, 13 years living with another person is I'm not ready. I mean, I've been seeing who was it?

There was some celebrity who there was just like a blog report about her. Who was it? There's someone who had like a separate home and she was like, I'm finally after X number of years ready to like move into the same house with my partner. And I can see why. Yeah.

I can see why no I I do enjoy of course having you know him here in the space and us you know having this space together but I think after having lived alone for so long shifting to knowing that there's going to be someone in the space at all times other than you like you know I've

Went from being able to have like a long day at work that was like overstimulating and just like training and coming home to complete silence. And my husband likes to talk. So now I come home and it's like, babe, give me a second. I just need a moment. Give me a second. I need a moment of quiet. So yeah, that's been something that I've learned. Like, and that's where a lot of compromise comes in. Like, you know, understanding, okay, I might need a moment of quiet and like,

Maybe instead of taking the whole evening to like retreat and have total silence, maybe I take like my hour to take a bath and then engage with him because I know that like maybe he needs to have conversation with me to like, you know, just.

share what has happened during his day and what's on his mind. So yeah, compromise definitely comes into play there. I think the other thing with living with a person, and this kind of goes to like

what other people think a wife should be doing like I know how to cook and I cook well but I may cook once every two weeks oh interesting we eat out a lot yeah eat out a lot from your pictures we eat out a lot but it's like that's what works for us in this season like

I work a nine to five and I'm running a growing small business, like very limited time to grocery shop and cook and clean and all of the things. And, you know, we share a lot of responsibilities throughout the house. Like I'm not the one that's doing dishes or, you know, laundry. My husband does a lot of that. And so I think, you know,

just figuring out what works best for us, what makes sense for us and showing up for one another in those ways has definitely kind of shaped my definition of wife to be like unique to me. And I reflect like my parents, you know, they're still married and I look to their marriage in a lot of ways, like

My mom didn't change her last name when she got married. That's why I have the hyphenated last name. When my parents got married, my mom decided to keep her last name and then all the kids got hyphenated last names. And so I decided like, I don't want to change mine either. I like Edmond's how it's, you know, it's mine. It's been with me 30 something years. Yeah.

And I also am a person, I don't like doing a bunch of like administrative, like paperwork and tasks. And so the thought of having to like change my name with all these, it just, I was like, I don't have time. So with my parents, like,

I've always seen them share responsibilities of the household. So like, I don't know that I'd necessarily within my own family had this sense that like, as a wife, I need to be cooking and cleaning. Like, you know, if there's something that needs to get done and you have the capacity to do it, you do it. But yeah.

Other people have tried to project like their expectations or definitions of like what I should be doing, which is silly. I think there's two things that came up while you were talking about this. One is my parents are divorced.

And so this idea of having someone to look to, to have somewhat of a definition, I don't know, that stood out to me for a second. I don't know why I hadn't thought about that for people, you know? Like some people have a vision that they can kind of look to, but then my grandparents, they were together, but that was just complete arguing all the time. So it's like when you come from

other types of backgrounds where you don't necessarily have a vision of what it could be you really truly have to redefine it for yourself yeah yeah but every person does anyways but yeah everyone does and I think even if like those examples that you might draw from are not necessarily like they are like adjacent to you I also you know spend time thinking about other you

you know, couples in my life and like, you know, whether it's like traditions that they've created or, you know, whatever the case might be, like, what are the things that like I vibe with and I like, and I think might fit like what I'm hoping to accomplish. And then what are the things where I'm like, ain't no way, like that's not for me. Yep. And you know, let it fall to the side. Yep.

Yep. Shout out to my brother. Yeah, your brother is such a good example. I love him so much. That's my guy. That's a good example. His wife are amazing. Yeah. Good example to have. And I was going to say, like, even when you have examples, like you've got to know yourself and like what makes sense for you. Like,

You may look, and this is, it's going to sound funny, but like I used to always say, especially when I was single, like I didn't watch a lot of like

the housewives shows and the different... Because I was like, I've got to guard my gateway in terms of images and representation of what a relationship could and should look like. And so I was... My gateway. Yeah. I spent a lot of time trying to... Anything that felt like, no, this isn't going to work for me, I don't want to normalize it and start to shape this narrative that that's a part of this thing. That's a part of marriage. That's a part of relationship. So I would like...

just ignore it all. But even when you have examples, I think you have to spend time really like reflecting on like the essence of you and if this fits. So like, say, for example, like you look at a relationship and

You're like, oh, that's I like that. Like, I think that's a good relationship. And the thing that you point out is that like this is going to be a stupid example, but like they share the responsibility of cooking. And like then you look at yourself and you're like, well, I don't know how to cook.

So does it make sense to like share that responsibility when like the other person's a better cook? I was thinking, I was thinking with my, like with my brother and his wife, they do family pictures every year. And like...

It's not something that I see myself doing. Yeah. You know, I can't do it. Yeah. I just can't see myself doing that. Yeah. But they're so cute. Like the pictures come out so good and everybody wants them, you know, and it's a great way to track, you know, that progress. I just don't I can't see that for myself.

But then the way that they do cook, they really do have a every other day is every other person's day to figure out what the food is, whether you cook, whether you order. Like today is your day. There's six people in that house. So really food is a day by day thing. Yeah. So, yeah. Oh, with these grocery prices. Costco cart. Exactly for Christmas. Exactly. Yeah.

Very important for them. But I do like that of figuring out like what the food schedule is going to be and really setting expectations with who feeding these kids because I'm Tad. Yeah. And that's a whole nother element. Like we do not have children at this point in time, but I'm sure like who I am as a wife and how I define wife will continue to evolve if that becomes, you know, a factor. But I do think too, like,

And when I look back, I think when you're dating, if you're dating with the intention of moving towards partnership, marriage, like it's important to...

have some of those discussions, but even beyond discussions, like having experiences that will give you some like insight or a glimpse into what you want, don't want, what you value, don't value, what's important, what's not. And so I tell people all the time, like as you're dating, like date in different scenarios and different like settings so you can...

not only see that person in that light, but yourself. Like if you know that holiday pictures might not be your thing, like in your person who you are in relationship with is like, hey, let's go do like, what are those things called? Where they have the different selfie booths and you can take pictures like, and you're like, I don't like that. But that might be something important to that person. Like, and that's a small example, but I think

as you're dating, you'll start to understand like, all right, what is it that I like? What's important to the other person in long-term? Are those things able to like coexist in a harmonious and peaceful way? Yes. And that was another question that I had for you was what is different about being a wife than what you expected? Yeah.

I don't feel like I walk around feeling like I'm holding this title. I just feel like myself. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like myself. It doesn't feel different in that. Like, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't one of those people who I feel like a lot of my life shifted after getting married. Like you hear stories of like,

People who get married and then like they don't hang out with their friends as much anymore or I just felt like same me. I love that. That actually makes me feel good. Yeah, that makes me feel good. But you have to you really have to like commit to that's what you want it to be, because I do think there are so many factors, even if it's not your partner, like.

other external factors that will try to say like what things should be, what they should look like, how you should show up. And luckily, like I said, like I had that example with my parents where like, I mean, you've met my mom, like,

She's very much a headstrong, like I'm doing things my way type woman. And I think some of that rubbed off just in terms of like, no, like I can define this for myself. I can show up.

you know, in the way that I want to, I'm on a whole being on my own. And this is just one additional title amongst like several that I hold. And it's an important one and one that I value a lot, but it doesn't define me, you know, on its own. So I don't feel really different. I love that.

Thank you for that. You're welcome. Because that gives me some hope that it's just like exactly the same, almost-ish. Yeah. And almost-ish can be enough. Yeah. The only difference is somebody, you know, always around. Somebody live here. Always around. But there's beauty in that as well. Yeah, for sure. Thank you.

I was just thinking about something else that I think is really important in a relationship and marriage. And I think that that is grace to grow. Making sure that when you're picking a partner, because this is one of the biggest decisions of your entire life.

This is the person that you're starting a lineage with potentially if that's something that you want to do. This is the person that you're going to be living with. This is the person that you're going to have to make huge decisions with. Like this is a big deal. But finding someone and choosing someone that gives you grace to grow. And it's not just them extending this to you as you grow and evolve into the person that you're called to be.

but you also have to hold space for that person as well. You got to give them grace to grow. I remember hearing one time a guy talking about how he was in a marriage. They'd been together, let's say for 50 years or so. He'd seen her as the version of her as a college student. He saw her as the version of her who had cancer. He saw the version of her who turned into a mother. He saw

He saw the version of her that turned into a grandmother. Like he saw the version of her that didn't have a job. And as we grow and evolve, we change as we get older. It's inevitable. We change. And so choosing someone who is willing and able, willing and able to hold you and give you grace through the process of growth is

That's a huge piece because we talked a bit about this idea of wholeness being the whole version of you in a relationship. You are already whole. You may not know everything about yourself quite yet. You're never going to know everything about yourself as complex as we are as humans. You'll never actually know everything about you. But as you go through this process of uncovering who you actually are, I'm so excited for you and for me.

To find someone and be with someone and choose someone who is able to hold you and hold space for you through your uncovering and for you to provide that to someone as well. Let's get back to the episode. I did want to mention too, so I like that you used the word harmonious.

And then also thinking back to how like you come into this as a whole person. And it's like these are two whole people. You always want to be able to be two whole people who come into this partnership. But I also liked how you reflected on the things that you're growing in. So like going back and trying to maybe not take criticism personally.

personally or something like that. And so even though these are two whole people, I think the key to it probably is consistently growing together and like having that commitment to consistently become better because you could be a whole person and be an asshole. Oh, yeah. So exactly. So not. Yes, I'm not necessarily committing to that whole person who's an asshole, but committing to that whole person who is willing to consistently evolve to be

Yeah, no, 100% agree. And in order to get to that space where you can recognize the areas you need to grow in, the areas that you could benefit from stretching yourself a little bit.

I think like the beauty of marriage is that like your partner is this constant mirror to those things. So it's really hard to ignore, I guess, if the person is like showing up well in the relationship and making you aware of things. But even if that person wasn't like reminding me, like never, I have something to say about you. You shut down, blah, blah, blah. I think that

it's inevitable that you see it because again, you're in this constant partnership with a person and in order for it to, to be harmonious for it to be a safe space, a peaceful space, like it's,

you're going to have to grow and evolve. And it's made very evident. But yes, growth. Growth. Very important. Okay. I have one last question and then we'll get to the end part. So what's one of your favorite memories between the two of you in the last like two years? Oh, there's so many. Yeah. There are so many. What I really love most about my husband is that he...

There's a couple of things. There's a lot of things, but I think one of the main things is that he is very consistent. Like when we were dating weekly, I'm going to walk in here when I'm giving him praise. Um,

every week he would have a bouquet of flowers delivered to me. And I like flowers, but I think more so than like receiving the beautiful flowers, I really love that it was consistent. It's like he decided he's going to do this thing and like come hell and high water, he didn't default, like it happened. So I really like his consistency. And that leads me to one of our favorite memories. I think it's like,

Every week we go to the same restaurant and have dinner. And I think what I like about that is just, it's something to look forward to. I know it's going to happen each week. It's like our time to, you know, just connect over a great meal because someone else is cooking and serving the food. Like we can be very present with one another versus if like I was in the kitchen chopping and trying to cook and like have a conversation. I don't think the time would,

feel the same. So I think that's like, it's an ongoing memory, but it's one of my favorites. Oh, I love that. An ongoing memory. Oh, that's so good. Like you've created an ongoing good memory with somebody. Oh, that is good. That feels good. I'm happy for you with that. Thank you. We were, we were laughing because we went to that restaurant, which is like,

It's right down the street from us. So it's, you know, convenient, easy to get to. But we were there earlier this week and it was pretty light in there. And I looked at him and I said, I hope they're doing okay. Cause I like want this memory to continue. I want to be able to go and, you know,

It's hard out here for small businesses. And so I was like, I hope they're doing okay because I need them to be here so we can have our weekly dinner dates. I love that. So good. Cool. Well, so at the end of each episode, we always reframe the submitting belief that holds us back from living fully and authentically. So an example of a reframe, this was the first episode. I always give the same reframe. If I say, if I'm not married by 30, then I'm a failure.

You would reframe that to say, I don't have to get married. I can get married at a time that's right for me. Fuck the societal timeline. It ain't even real. Like I can start a partnership if I want to. It doesn't even have to be called a marriage. So we got options out here. So for you, how would you reframe this idea that you can't define a wife for yourself?

I would reframe it to say you absolutely can define it for yourself. And if you want to be happy in marriage, you better define it for yourself. Yes, you better. Don't do not allow society, family, friends, external world to define something that you literally, I mean,

you make this commitment to Deaf Do Us Part. Like, you want to make sure that this thing that you're committing to works for you. And so you need to define it for yourself.

Yes. Well, dope. All right, Toria. So if people wanted to connect with you, where can they find you? They can find me. I'm on Instagram. So my personal Instagram is Toria Malia. Malia like Malia Obama. Toria like Victoria without the Vic. Yeah.

I own a small business, North 24th Home. So North 24th Home on Instagram. I'm on LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, threads, all the things. Pretty easy to find me. There's not a lot of Torias in the world. True. That's true. I think you're the only Toria I've ever met. I met one on... I was in ninth grade and I was in Hawaii with a classmate. And we were like...

getting ice cream from dip and dots and they called out Toria and I went to get it and another little girl, but I was like, Oh, wow. Your name's Toria. It's like, is it short for Victoria? She's like, no, it's Toria. And I was like, I've never met a Toria before.

But that's been the only time. Little girl in the line at Dippin' Dots in Hawaii. Wow. Throwback to Dippin' Dots. I used to love Dippin' Dots. And I could only get it at like King's Dominion.

And so it was like, you had to wait till the summer. And then that just reminded me of like when we would go to King's Dominion with Humphrey Calder all the time. Lord, we had the same face. To this day, like I do not like going to King's Dominion now because I just associate it with being like a camp counselor with a bunch of like 10 year old little boys who did not want to listen and it's hot and whatever.

Oh yeah. No Kings Dominion for me. PTSD for real, for real.

Cool. And y'all know where you can find me. I am. I've been trying to lean into my personal page more. So go to my personal page at lauren.e.will. Podcast page is at IPwoman Podcast, but I ain't never on there. So just go to the personal page these days. Slide into a DM if you want to. And don't forget, it's possible to be imperfect and phenomenal at the same damn time, listener. So you go out there and you be great. Okay. I'll talk to y'all next week.

Farewell.