Episode 59: Interview with Bryan Zevotek - Educator, Entrepreneur & Author
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Until you know exactly what you want and where you want to go, then it's really difficult to set any type of course change to know that you're going to hit that target. Welcome to Chasing Life podcast, where we talk about fitness, running, career, and life tips to inspire you to live your best life. I'm your host, Sarah Kane, and I hope you enjoy today's episode. Welcome to another episode of Chasing Life. Today's guest is Brian Zavotek. Welcome, Brian. Hey, Sarah. It's really great to be here.

And I'm excited to finally have you. We've been talking about having you on my podcast for quite some time now. Why don't we get started with having you share who you are, what you do, and how you spend your time? Awesome. Well, yeah, so I am a career educator. I've taught...

Middle school-ish for going on 25 years, but in the process coached cross country and track athletes throughout most of that time as well. And, you know, I've been kind of a off again, on again runner myself. And so recently kind of started out in some entrepreneurial adventures, you

ventures, just kind of thinking what's that next phase of life going to look like. So as you know, we had a daughter a little bit later in life. I'm 47. She's four years old. So planning that next phase of life, which is not going to be in a rocking chair, sitting on a porch, kicking back is really kind of asked me what I what do I really want to do with the rest of my life? And I don't want to put off doing it, if that makes any sense. So that's where I'm coming from.

Great. So why don't we kind of talk about your entrepreneurship and since that's something that's developed in the last few years. So what do you do with that? What is your mission?

what do you hope to achieve? Yeah. So, you know, a lot of it actually, it came out of that, the birth of my daughter. I was probably at the, I'll say chubbiest, we'll go with that word. It seems a little more friendly, but, and kind of had had like, you know, just some, you get in a rut in life, you know, and it was that little bit of shaking me out of that rut that was

was like, okay, I don't, this isn't the path that I want for her, but it definitely had to mean something to me too. So, um, up until that point, I'd had just some content creation stuff going on YouTube and then COVID hit. And so she's like, you know, a year and a half old and, and I'm, I've always been in the tech world. So I'd helped out teachers all the time, get, you know, tech infused stuff in their classroom. And I'd done some instructional technology stuff.

So I decided if somebody is going to be struggling during COVID when everybody's going remote and there's all these tools out there, then maybe I could jump ahead and start helping people, you know, kind of access or sort through the ocean of what was available. And so that was kind of my first thing I started, you know, the bald guy, Cy, little Bill Nye the Science Guy play there. And then from there, just some of my past experience with personal growth and that journey I was on.

came more to the forefront. And I've been doing that in my classroom, you know, like sharing things with my students, little quotes or life lessons, just kind of getting at the bigger picture of life. And so I pushed a little bit more in that direction, started my own podcast called Kick Some Class. And I'm just branching out. I've written two books now and kind of hoping to

to get really maybe more into the speaking coaching of life type role as time goes by, but we'll see, you know, right now I'm having fun. It's great to be able to share the things that I'm learning with others and just to hope that they influence someone. So. Yeah, that's great. I have certainly enjoyed all the conversations we've had about our shared interests with personal development. And you mentioned your books. You just had a book come out in the last year,

few months. Do you want to tell us about that? Yeah. So it's called recalculating. And it was kind of what I went through, right? You all remember those commercials or at least the experience when GPS was new to cars where you'd be following those directions and get off course, right? Like you had a goal that you wanted in life, but you'd gotten off course. And then that thing was like, whoa, whoa, where are you going? This isn't the plan. And the GPS would have to recalculate. And

That metaphor for me came out of a series of sort of existential midlife crisis, the gift questions I'll call them. And that was that until you know exactly what you want and where you want to go, then it's really difficult to set any type of course change to know that you're going to hit that target.

So that was the first thing I really this what do I want out of life? What do I want for my health? What do I want for my family? What I want for my legacy? Really kind of deep, almost soul unraveling questions, you know, and and and I knew that there were so many people going through that same thing.

maybe based on the stage of life, and maybe just the societal shifts because of COVID that, you know, you're trapped in your house for months, and all of a sudden, you're you got some time to think about life, you know, and so that metaphor recalculating was to make these decisions of where do I want to go? What Where am I right now, just just a real honest, no shame, just this is raw, this is where I am. And then what maybe is the best way to get there. So I wrote the

the book with all the stories from my childhood and from my career as an educator, hoping that it would help teachers. But it's definitely I've had, you know, doctors read it that told them, you know, they laughed and that so many things applied to the health care profession because they're, you know, anybody who who was essential.

And I hate to use that word because we're all essential, right? But in the workforce where there was no shutdown for you, and I think that's a lot of people, felt burnout in some way, shape or form, or at least maybe if you stop and think about it, you might actually still be there. So that was kind of my heart for that book.

And, you know, I'm just now starting to kind of get some traction and wanting to, I hate to say I want to sell it, you know, but.

I guess it's that thought that if you didn't think it was valuable, why'd you do it? You know, like we sell ourselves short so many times or like, oh, I don't want to put myself out there. I put myself out there. It's printed, you know? So if, if I thought it was valuable, then I need to be willing to step up and say, Hey, this might help. So that's kind of where I'm at with it. I, I'm going back through and already feeling like, oh, I wish I had said that. And man, you know, you learn all the time. And so you want to add, add to it.

Definitely sounds like there's a lot of really valuable information in there. And I assume, did you self publish that book? What was that experience like? I did. And, uh, you know, I had a friend who's, who's a writer and he had given me some pointers and of course you can learn, you know, it's about anything on YouTube. Um, I had some graphic design and publishing type experience with Adobe suites. So, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't too terribly hard to be honest. Um,

But yeah, I mean, just it was, again, one of those things that if you've got something you want to say in today's world, those gatekeepers that used to be there, you know, like a musician, you had to go to Nashville or Motown, you know, you had to get a big break. And in today's world, you know, you just you don't need to. If you have a message, you can get it out to the people there.

that you think could benefit. And all the tools to do that are there from, you know, YouTube to this is Kindle Direct Publishing, they spell it all out for you. You can use services like Fiverr, you know, there's Grammarly, there's there's all sorts of tools out there that make it really easy to hone your craft and to get your message out there. So, you know, it definitely is slower when you do that. And the final product may not be the same as if you paid

$20,000 to have a couple thousand copies of your book sit somewhere. But yeah, I mean, I'm happy with it and it's me. So I'm a do-it-yourselfer by nature, whatever the results that means. So I kind of wanted to learn. It was fun. So speaking of do-it-yourself projects, what's the project you're most proud of? And what's one that, we'll put it this way, one that you learned the most from? Yeah.

Oh, yeah, I don't know. Um,

You know, getting into the video side of things now, when I first started, I was shooting from my phone and now I've like, you know, two mirrorless cameras and a slider. I don't, you know, like just that. For me, it's about fun and it's about engagement. And as a teacher, this is another like, you know, I'll give you a little freebie there. Until you have engagement, you have nothing. And I really think that that's true in education. It's true in entrepreneurship. It's true in life. You know, like unless you can engage someone really well

at the heart of who they are and what they care about, then you don't have them. And if you don't have them, nothing's going to get, you know, transferred, communicated or any growth is going to happen. So for me, that's probably, I've always been super curious about everything. Um,

So I think the video production side of content creation is really fun. I will, I'll give a nod again to education. I wish I had paid a lot more attention in English and in high school and college. It just was, you know,

such a fixed mindset when I grew up that I would say, Oh, I'm just not good at it. Rather than, you know, no, I just have to work hard and pay attention and listen, you know, and I can grow, but that, you know, when you're not successful at first, it

it's easy to give up because it's hard, right? And I guess that's probably the other part of this is just because something's fun doesn't mean it isn't hard. A lot of the things that I'm learning are, they're challenging and they're frustrating at times, but I think that's what makes it worth it. So I don't know if I answered your question, but

I think you did. So speaking of engagement, let's kind of segue a little bit to, you mentioned you were a track and cross country coach. So how do you keep your athletes engaged and wanting to improve and have maybe growth mindsets in their running careers? Yeah, I'm sure, you know, knowing that you have a lot of, of runners as your, as your audience, you,

this, this bothers me. And I'm sure I'm going to like poke the bear a little bit here, maybe for some people when somebody says, Oh, are you a runner? Are you a jogger? And I'm like, I, that makes me want to like, kind of

you know, throat punch someone because if you're out there and you've gotten off the couch, you're a runner. I don't care what anybody says. And when you coach athletes for a school, you get both. You get the hyper competitive athletes who are really shooting for a milestone, you know, to break records or whatever it is. And you get those kids that are

just trying to lose weight, just trying to get in better shape, just want to be there for the camaraderie. And, and I, you know, it always bothered me when I would see other coaches sort of only validate the competitive and it just seems crazy to me. So for me, it's always that, you know, knowing the student,

I had one particular athlete I have in mind who came to me and he's just, he, he just wanted to lose weight. He goes, this is hard for me. I mean, he's running 5k in 40 minutes, you know, and, and, uh, you know, most of us probably walk a 5k and close to 40 minutes, you know, but he was running and he wasn't walking. And so, you know, my advice was, well, let's get it at 38, you know? And so all those workouts, they're,

they're just targeting a different goal. That goal is always improvement for him. It was a little different. So I think the challenging thing actually is, is those hyper competitive athletes who, who they tend to maybe lose sight of what the real value, what the real goal is, which is that growth. Did you try your best? You know, can you, can you get some feedback based on what happened? You know, you can't control whether you win or lose a race.

There are too many other people out there. Only one person wins and only one person comes in last. But the question is, did you give that your full effort? Did you feel like you were prepared and everything that that means? Which I think is really another really cool metaphor for life with running is it's not just running, right? It's,

it's energy it's flexibility it's rest it's hydration it's core strength you know it's form it's being coachable and so that the flexibility of training is really powerful for us in life too where you know the weakness may not be in endurance it might be a mental thing and you just you didn't run your pace because somebody passed you early in the race you thought you were faster than them well

The only time, this is one thing I say I'm sort of famous for saying to my athletes is the only time it matters to be leading is when the race is over. And so who cares if that person rabbits out in front of you and they're running, you know, a 430 mile and a 5k, let them go. And if they can hold it,

kudos to them you know that's world class go for it but if not you're you're only going to bonk yourself by chasing after him and I you know it's funny I think those lessons

that's what is really fun for me in sort of this life coachy role is they come out in practice and they come out in competition you know um you got a captive audience when a kid is throwing up over a snowman in in southern New York at the in in December you know like man you you you went for it you know uh so I don't know um I think it's really that's the joy for me is that

those connections with students over what's going on in their life and running is just a vehicle. Yeah, there's so many things. I wrote down at least like three kind of life lessons that are applicable to running. Like one of them is it's about the journey, not the destination, right? And focusing on the process, not necessarily the end goal. Of course, people want to achieve their goal race or goal time or whatever. But really like if you

realize that say over the last 12 14 16 20 weeks that you dedicated time you were disciplined enough to follow a training plan even if race day didn't go well there's a lot to be said for having that discipline yeah leading up to that race right absolutely it's and that race was one day right and you know it's like it's not the summation of

you know we'd hope that it is especially you know like i know you're training to qualify for boston and you know you you hope that everything on that way is the summation of all the work you put in but if it's not on that given day that's why there are multiple qualifiers right there's another another chance in a in a couple weeks to get back at it you know so yeah i think that's

I don't know. You know, I've seen people lose sight of that joy of running, you know, and it's just especially at the competitive end. It's just it's kind of tragic to see that, you know, a few years ago, I've I've run the Boilermaker, I don't know, eight or nine times. It's not a race I love. It's a race I enjoy, which is a really weird statement.

um but I didn't have time to train like I normally do I don't know if I had time I just didn't but I wasn't feeling it that year and so I just decided I was going to look around I was going to enjoy the band you know I'm going to see the sights I'm high-fiving the the the Jazz band at the top of the the golf course my favorite thing to do I ended up running like my third best time ever just because I stopped

you know, worrying about it and, and, and enjoy the race, you know, ate a couple of popsicles and way too many yogurts when the race was over. So.

Yeah. And the last time we really talked was before I ran the Boilermaker and this year when I ran it, I had a similar like positive experience. Like I just used it as a training run and I had like the best time because by mile eight, when I usually am dying because I'm running all out until that point, I was like, oh my gosh, this feels amazing to get to this last mile of the race.

And, you know, my body still feels okay. And then I can get into the finish line party and still enjoy myself and not feeling like I'm going to collapse. So it's definitely a different experience. It is. But I think it's just the same with when that long run clicks and you realize you're not

you're not even thinking about running, you're processing life. And that's the other thing, you know, for anybody that's listening to this, even if you're not a runner, which like for me right now, I'm trying to get back in after injury, I'm running maybe two miles every couple days, I'm not running a whole lot, but so far, no injury. But I'm processing life, right? You're, you're disentangling stress and anxiety and worries and times at work and you know, frustrations at home and

And this is one thing I actually wrote about in the book for anybody that's ever been to or heard of the Bay of Fundy, which is up off the coast of Maine on the Canadian side. It's the tide comes in and the river runs backwards.

It's not really running backwards, but there's a filling that happens in the opposite direction. And that's kind of the illustration that I was getting out of the book is you need that. Whatever it is for you, if you're nine to five is outflow, outflow, outflow, then you got to find something that causes that stream to run back and to filters back into you. And it's got to be a different modality. It's got to be maybe just a different headspace, whatever it is.

If you don't have it, then you run that risk of burning out, you know, and so so many people do that emotionally, but it can happen physically too. Yeah, I really like that analogy and that illustration. So thank you for sharing that and I definitely feel that way my run last night.

It's been really busy at work for me lately. And so I didn't really have a lot of brain space to like plot out a route. So instead I just went to a rail trail. So I didn't have to think about where I was running. I just ran back and forth on this mile path for almost two hours, but it just helped me one. Cause I was in a safe location and I didn't have to think about where I was running. So then I could focus on my workout and I just put on music versus a podcast. And so then I could think about life or process life. And I just kind of could like zone out and really, um,

kind of have a different experience than if I was listening to even a podcast because I might be processing what the guests are sharing or you know figuring out how does my life connect with maybe one of their stories and it was just yeah definitely like a really people don't understand always like what is the what's so great about running like why would you pay to run

you know races or whatever but it's like it once you start like then you realize how much at least to me like why I've been running for 12 plus years is because I've realized how beneficial it is for my mental health and yes I like chasing goals but it's also just like allows me to de-stress too which is I really enjoy that yeah and I that's it's funny because I

long drives for me. Same deal. Like I love to paddle a kayak or go bow hunting or something. And it's that stillness that it's just American or Western culture we don't have anymore. And

And although you're running, it's I don't know if you followed any sort of the the science of eye movements and rapid eye movement and how it's just a really interesting connection with how our brains work. And I probably will get this wrong. There's somebody smarter than me listening who's going to be like, no, no, buddy, you got it wrong. But that when we look in one like up into the right and again, I know this is going to be wrong, then we are creating visual

perceptions. When we look down into the right, we're creating audio. When we look up into the left, we're remembering visual. And when we look, you know, down into the left, we're remembering audio, something like that. But our eye movements actually are connected to our neurology. And this is fascinating to me. So, you know, like when you sleep,

your eyes are bouncing all over because they're trying to solve problems in your subconscious by accessing all four and more of those those regions of your neurology and your eyes actually move in conjunction with that so

When you're driving and you have somebody like seated or you've got this on a group run, you're not... You can't look at the person next to you because you're going to like, you know, trip over the dog or whatever's with you, right? So you look off and your gaze is not... It's not fixed. Your eyes are free to move, but your brain can relax because you can... In your peripheral, you can see the path. And this is like so crazy, but it's why after...

If I drive an hour and a half, two hours, I have so many ideas and I'm like I'm de-stressed after, you know, as long as I'm not focused on the traffic or whatever. Like when you can relax that focus and

whether it's through running, it doesn't matter. That's when your brain prunes those, all the connections that made in the day, it starts to prune them and decide which ones are most valuable to you. And, you know, you might get access to a creative part of your brain that was blocked because of anxiety or stress. And to me, that's fascinating. You know, like it, if, if we did it more, not only would we burn off some of that stress energy through running, but

we actually get to access the solutions that are in our brain by shutting down parts of it and relaxing our focus. I think that's really awesome.

Yeah, that's really interesting. I hadn't heard that before that, but it makes like complete sense of like why you get clarity after a run or why you get clarity when you're like just going for a walk or on the shower doing dishes like just these things that are not like kind of fully engaging you. I mean they are but it's just allowing your, your.

brain or your eyes to relax and process. Yeah. And I don't know which is the chicken and which is the egg, you know, but, but yeah, it's, it's so it's kind of fascinating where people have done this forever. Right. They clear my head. I go for a run or go for a drive or whatever it is. You just, you just relax that mental focus. So I thought it was awesome. You know, interesting when you said, um,

that rather than listening to a podcast, because the listening to the podcast is still taxing, maybe for you, the same pathways and stressors that you have during the day, you know, so.

Yeah, the music, I could almost like tune it out versus I would, you know, a podcast I might be listening more intently. So yeah, it was just like a way, I mean, I was also running like mile repeats, so I needed a little bit more upbeat sound in my ears.

but uh yeah I just realized like I was like oh like the weather was perfect um the I was just like I was glad I could have drove to this space where I didn't have to think about my room and it just like I felt really good after the run so I'm just glad it kind of all played out that way it always shocked me seeing um runners on the streets of Manhattan because I thought like how

how can you ever get to that place unless it was just you know they're going they're using the streets to get to somewhere where they then can find that cathartic experience but you know uh yeah it's interesting yeah too many like starts and stops and people and taxis yeah exactly yeah um

So I have a couple of fun questions for you, too. I feel like we could probably talk about philosophical life lessons for a while, but maybe some fun, too. So let's start with some book recommendations. You have one or two books. I know you read a lot.

I do. And I got to credit you with the saving me some money with the, you know, the New York public library thing, because, oh man, I, I've probably got three books going all the time. So yeah,

One of the books that impacted me the greatest is Essentialism by Greg McKeown. And if anybody's followed the minimalist movement, it's that for your headspace and your values. So the whole book is this, is less but better. And I think we had kind of had a conversation about this. And for me, it's come up

over and over and over that you only have so much of the currencies of life. You only have so much time. You only have so much emotional capacity. You only have so much, you know, time you can stay awake and whatever it is. So it's a little bit, if, if you know, Mark Mason's the subtle art book, the other orange, orange, when I refer to it as in, in, in company where the F bomb is not welcome, you know? But, but,

That book was sort of similar, you know, like there's only so much you can truly care about in life. But I just I appreciated Greg McCown's way of putting it that essentially is what are you going to choose to dedicate your life to your time, your energy? And and so for me, that's that's sort of started there.

were added to some of the reframing for me. Like I have these little groups of threes that I, that I follow through to sort of set myself for the day. And that is that I do the hard thing. I do the right things and I do the generous things. And for me, that means this morning I was going to choose to run rather than row because rowing's hard. Yeah.

It is. It taxes my heart rate goes through the roof. And I'm like, so I was like, no, if I believe that for me to get better, I got to choose the hard thing that I can't avoid that rower, which I just got. And I was excited, but no, I'm like, yeah, it's hard. Now I know why the guy was selling it. Right. So I rode, you know, and then it was like,

uh, my flexibility sucks and I don't want to do yoga. It's hard. So I, you know, I, I did some dumbbell stuff and I went and did yoga and it was like, I do the hard things that it's that some of that came from Greg McCown's book that I know for me, if I want to make a difference and I'll back these three things up in my life, if I

The other threes is that we want to be healthy. I want to be connected and I want to make a difference. And I think that's human nature. We want to make an impact with our lives. We want to have genuine heartfelt connection with those that matter to us and that we love. And in order to do that, we have to be healthy so that we have capacity and, you know, we don't die, that kind of thing. So for those things, that means that I've got to do something.

what's hard. I got to push myself physically. I've got to push myself through relational barriers that come up in life, which happens to all of us. You know, you got to humble yourself or you got to put yourself out there, whatever that means for you. And if you're going to make a difference, you got to do the same thing, you know? So that's kind of been my, like my little mantra of sorts, the hard things, the right things are that I'm going to choose to

what's valuable to me and I'm not going to get bogged down with a million other tasks that other people want me to do I'm going to do what I believe my life is about and so it sounds like you know a little guru-ish on the midlife crisis stuff but I that's why I call it a gift like man I feel like I was able to prune off a bunch of stuff that

Maybe I was getting some validation through, but for the wrong reasons. And to really to focus on what I want out of life, again, recalculating, right? You got to know what you want, got to know where you are. And then you forge a path to get there. For me, that path was only do these things and do the hard stuff. And then, you know, the generous things is try to make a difference with whatever you're doing in somebody else's life. Yeah, I really...

Like everything that you just said, I also enjoyed the book essentialism and I listened to it. Oh, maybe two years ago. And I remember thinking like I should listen to this multiple times. Yeah. Because it's, it has a lot of great reminders. It's great for type a personalities, like overachievers, people who feel like they have to do everything or be good at everything. And you don't need to be good at everything. You just need to be good at the right things and spend your time on, on the things that bring you the most joy.

like joy and joy. Yeah. So yeah, definitely support that book recommendation. I would say, you know, like there's a couple others along the lines, just real quick, I certainly won't talk as much on these, but the Growth Mindset, Angela Duckworth's Grit

um, those two, I think go hand in hand. And then, um, Cal Newport deep work, uh, that one really hit me as far as if I wanted to venture out the entrepreneurial thing, then I had to find a way to shut off, uh, all of those other distracting things and really focus. And he wrote a book that I is on my to read list, which is called digital minimalism. And, and if you don't, for the, your listeners that don't know Cal Newport, um,

he's a Caltech researcher and he's studying what our phones are doing to us, what constant connection is doing to us. And it's obviously, we know it isn't good, but we still can't help it. That phone be the first thing in the morning, the last thing at night, and it's on us constantly. And, you know, again, that was why I, I was like, no, the hard thing for me is to wait

30 minutes, 21, whatever it is before I look at that. And I want to set my priorities for the day before I go there, because then I'm going to be reactionary and I don't want that. So I'm looking forward to that book, but those are some that, you know, even after a couple of years have still really impacted me a lot. Yeah. And I'll definitely make a note of those in the show notes too, for anybody who's interested or looking for more personal development books. Yeah.

So my next fun question is what emoji do you use the most?

I don't want to, I kind of hate emojis. Okay, fair. So none of them. You know, like the GIFs, GIFs, whatever, you know, when I say GIF, I think of the 1980s peanut butter. It's probably still around, but like, that's my, that's my jam right there. Like if, if, if especially with the Dwight Schrute, the office ones, I mean, I can get going on those. It's just, that's fun for me. You know, that's my personality. Just,

crazy and so when you type in one of those keyboards you can get just about anything and if it's mildly offensive and funny that's that's the sweet spot for me so perfect if you could be on any reality show which one would you want to be on and why

So, Monica and I actually apply that's my wife to be on the amazing race. Oh, I can totally see you guys doing that. I, you know, it's one of those things that I would definitely have to be the navigator because otherwise I would be.

horribly embarrassed with how I spoke to her on the show. If there's something that stresses me out, it's somebody who doesn't know how to read a map. And so I'm a map nerd. I have been my whole life. I love topo maps. Actually, I've got the book here and that I don't know how well you can see, but it is a topo map. And of course, recalculating is a navigational thing. So for

So if we ever made it on the show, I was, I was going to be riding shotgun and she was going to be driving because, you know, otherwise we would not have made it past the first episode. So. Nice. I like that. Well, I hope maybe someday you guys are on that show. I would definitely be watching and rooting for you. Oh my goodness. I kind of hope not, but. So my last question is what does chasing life mean to you?

So for me, you know, I've, aside from all of the stuff I've talked about, I've always been a pretty intensely spiritual person. The other book that I wrote is a, is a devotional and it's called nothing more. And meaning that I feel like we were created in purity for joy and, and we add so much to that that only takes away.

Right. And I think if I write a sequel to that book, it's going to be called nothing less. And, and so once you strip away all the other stuff that you added on that only cheapened to life, then it's about stepping into the fullness of your potential to, to make sure that you squeeze every drop out of the time that you have on this planet. And so, you know, for me, it's those two things, right? It's making sure that there's no,

weird insecurity or fear that robs me of something that God intended for me to experience in my life or to provide to encourage to strengthen to bless somebody else and that starts with me and spills over into my family and then to everybody else so that again comes back to all those same things I want to be healthy

which means doing the hard thing, right? I want to be connected to the people that matter and I want to do something that's generous. So yeah, I feel like that's the journey I've been on, right? The last couple of years. Yeah. And I certainly have enjoyed having conversations about your journey, all the new things that you learn all the time and just the similar growth mindsets that we share. So I've definitely appreciated that. And if anybody wants to connect with you more, where can they find you?

Yeah, so on social media, it's at BaldSci. So you can find me on YouTube. I just fired up TikTok, which is a lot more of the personal development stuff. I'm on Twitter as well. I'm more of a stalker there trying to learn from people. But yeah, that's where you can find me. And then you got your two books too, which- Oh, yeah. And also kicksomeclass.com. Yep. And the two books are both on Amazon. If you just Google Brian Zavotec, I'm assuming there's not another one.

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