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Strong Sistas' Ashley Armstrong on MAHA, Getting Raided, the Key to Ray Peat

2024/11/18
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Ashley Armstrong: 政府无权干预个人饮食选择,食品监管不符合宪法。政府对食品的监管导致小型农场面临巨大经济损失,甚至被查封。现行的食品体系是为大型农业公司服务的寡头垄断体系,其设计初衷是为了巩固权力,而非为了公众健康。消费者与农场主之间应该建立直接的联系,绕过政府监管。传统的食品体系以利润为导向,损害了消费者和农民的健康。现行食品体系的设计是为了让大型农业公司获利,而非农民。食品监管机构的存在是为了维护大型食品公司的利益,而非消费者利益。20世纪初的食品体系是消费者与农场主直接交易的模式,不存在政府干预。现行的食品监管标准对小型农场来说成本过高,难以生存。公众对食品安全的恐惧是政府宣传的结果,而非事实。媒体对公众认知的操控是现行食品体系得以维持的关键因素。现行的食品生产模式,例如工业化养鸡,对消费者健康有害,但由于政府监管的缘故,却被认为是安全的。 David Gornoski: 现行的食品体系源于二战时期,旨在实现中央控制的经济模式,这种模式有利于大型企业获利,而非公众健康。政府对某些食品的补贴(如种子油)是故意削弱民众健康和反抗能力的一种手段。 Ashley Armstrong: 现代人的饮食脂肪酸构成与20世纪初相比发生了巨大变化,这导致了新陈代谢率下降和慢性疾病的增加。多不饱和脂肪酸会降低新陈代谢率,导致慢性疾病的发生。人体温度下降、慢性疾病发病率上升以及预期寿命下降都与饮食中脂肪酸构成变化有关。低新陈代谢状态会影响大脑功能,导致认知能力下降和情绪问题。个人的行为举止与其新陈代谢健康状况密切相关。人们普遍忽视甲状腺健康问题,而关注新陈代谢健康问题则更容易引起共鸣。甲状腺系统不仅仅是甲状腺本身,还包括其他器官和过程,共同作用于新陈代谢。改善新陈代谢健康是解决各种健康问题的关键。恢复正常体温需要时间,但可以通过改善新陈代谢来实现。改善新陈代谢需要补充必要的营养物质,并去除代谢障碍。维持较高的代谢率是健康的关键,而实现这一目标的方法有很多种。对于代谢不健康的人来说,短期内降低脂肪摄入量有助于恢复正常的葡萄糖代谢。恢复正常的电子流是改善新陈代谢的关键,而饮食方式的选择应根据个人的具体情况而定。

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Why did Ashley Armstrong's farm face a raid by state bureaucrats?

Ashley Armstrong's farm was raided by state bureaucrats because they were selling raw dairy products. The raid was unannounced, and they were forced to throw away $90,000 worth of raw dairy, which they couldn't even give to their animals or consume themselves. This was part of a broader regulatory crackdown on small-scale food producers.

What is the significance of decentralizing the food system according to Ashley Armstrong?

Decentralizing the food system is crucial for reconnecting consumers with farmers and ensuring food quality. Ashley emphasizes that many farmers lack marketing and distribution skills, and a decentralized system would allow for direct partnerships between farmers and consumers, bypassing unnecessary government regulations and big agricultural corporations.

How does Ashley Armstrong describe the current state of the conventional food system?

Ashley Armstrong describes the conventional food system as centralized, profit-driven, and detrimental to health. It prioritizes maximizing production and minimizing costs at the expense of both consumer and farmer health. Farmers are often squeezed out of profits, leading to poor mental health and many leaving the industry.

What role does thyroid health play in overall metabolic health according to Ashley Armstrong?

Thyroid health is central to metabolic health, as the thyroid regulates energy production in the body. Ashley explains that the thyroid system involves converting inactive thyroid hormone (T4) into active thyroid hormone (T3), which is essential for mitochondrial energy production. Poor thyroid function leads to low energy states, affecting overall health and well-being.

What dietary changes does Ashley Armstrong recommend for improving metabolic health?

Ashley Armstrong recommends reducing polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) like vegetable and seed oils, prioritizing saturated fats from animal sources, and ensuring adequate carbohydrate intake for energy production. She also emphasizes the importance of removing endocrine disruptors and maintaining a balanced diet to support thyroid and metabolic health.

What is the connection between dietary fats and metabolic rate according to Ashley Armstrong?

Ashley Armstrong explains that the shift from saturated animal fats to polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) in modern diets has downregulated human metabolic rates. PUFAs, found in vegetable oils and processed foods, lower metabolic rates, leading to decreased energy production, lower body temperatures, and increased chronic disease rates.

What is the historical context of the current food regulation system according to David Gornoski?

David Gornoski explains that the current food regulation system was established during World War II to support a centralized command economy. This system, designed for wartime efficiency, has persisted due to its profitability for large corporations, leading to an oligarchic control of food production and regulation.

What is the impact of low metabolic rates on societal behavior according to Ashley Armstrong?

Ashley Armstrong argues that low metabolic rates, driven by poor thyroid health and dietary changes, lead to a state of learned helplessness. This low-energy state affects cognitive function, making people less likely to question the status quo and more prone to conflict and negativity in social interactions.

What is the role of media in shaping food regulation narratives according to David Gornoski?

David Gornoski highlights that media has played a significant role in perpetuating fear-based narratives around food safety, such as the dangers of raw milk. He argues that this propaganda has been used to maintain control over the food system and suppress alternatives to the centralized, regulated model.

What is the significance of Ray Peat's principles in Ashley Armstrong's approach to health?

Ashley Armstrong applies Ray Peat's principles by focusing on maintaining a high metabolic rate through diet and lifestyle. She emphasizes the importance of reducing PUFAs, ensuring adequate carbohydrate intake, and supporting thyroid function to improve energy production and overall health.

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This chapter explores the potential for change in the food system, focusing on collaboration between Elon Musk and RFK Jr., and the challenges of navigating government bureaucracy and media discourse. It highlights the need for a decentralized food system and the fight against restrictive regulations.
  • Potential collaboration between Elon Musk and RFK Jr. to reform the food system.
  • Challenges of government bureaucracy and food regulations.
  • Need for a decentralized food system.
  • Importance of media discourse in shaping public opinion.

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Well, we're back with another fun conversation as part of our Make America Healthy Again theme that we're excited the whole country is electric with the atmosphere of change and possibility. And I thought it would be great to have Ashley Armstrong of the Strong Sisters

in our show today to talk about what we can do. How you doing, Ashley? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me on. I agree. There is just this general level of hope and excitement that is spreading across Twitter. And honestly, Twitter is just like fun, entertaining. I love the positivity. It's like, it just feels so different than where we were

from covid you know it's such a different transition and environment and hey truthfully there's they're talking a lot of talk so let's see what can actually happen in the government you know what i'm saying like are there too many barriers to actually get anything done or can we actually get stuff done yeah that's best to keep your expectations sub-zero with anything related to the government and then fight like hell and if you get anything then you're really happy you know absolutely

So that's the best way to do it. And I, you know, have kind of enjoyed a low profile on Twitter, kind of a new guy to Twitter just a couple years ago when I heard Elon was in. I said, okay, I'll try Twitter. I'll try it if it's not completely owned by insanity at the ownership level. But, you know, you can see the ascendancy of podcasts, the ascendancy of X,

to be able to shape the narrative in a way that is more culturally important than politically, really. I mean, I don't know if you saw it or if you know about Ron Paul, but he's an old icon in the world of food, freedom, and health, and he's been fighting the fight for decades, paving the way for folks like Joel Saladin, who's a fan of him, and Thomas Massey, who's a student of his in Congress and all that. And we were able to put Ron Paul and...

interview right before the election. I said, would you help Elon? Because, you know, Elon doesn't have a lot of experience. You don't hear him cutting government. He's good at firing people in the private sector, but government, like you just mentioned, is a whole nother thing. He said, oh yeah, I'd be willing to help. We kind of facilitated this thing using X and a simple little podcast interview to catch Elon's attention. It was like matchmaking. Hey, Ron, you know, would you help Elon? Then you go to Elon, put an article, he catches it and

Oh, yeah, we'd love to have Ron. And it turned into this huge thing that went viral. So that's an example of like there is totally a whole new media landscape here. NBC, ABC, these are so dinosaurs now. They're just really dramatically losing their relevancy.

I haven't tuned into one in a very, very long time, which is so great for my mental health. I've got a proposition for you. What if you try to connect Elon with me? Because I have firsthand experience dealing with bureaucrats with food regulation, and I'd be happy to chat with him about where did we sign up? I'd love to know where did I sign up to say the government approved

knows best for my health and can regulate and should regulate the food that I consume. Where, where did I sign that? Right. Right. It's not even constitutional. It's not constitutional. Like there, why, why are there bureaucrats in place? How do the bureaucrats know better than me? What I can put in my body, what's safe and what's not safe. Right. Tell me where that is put, how that's constitutional and how,

Then I'll listen. If it's there, I'll listen. I'll listen. But you need to work with Doge and be Department of Government Efficiency for Food Matters and Food Freedom. I would love that. I mean, we have personal experience. Like bureaucrats came here. They raided our freezers. They made us throw away $90,000 of raw dairy products. We couldn't give it to our animals. We couldn't eat it ourselves. Did you see it? Did you know they were coming or what was the story with that? Nope. Nope. Nope.

unannounced raid it was a state or federal or everybody state state yeah uh you know that was right around the time of the avian influenza situation but to be clear even though it is state level there's a lot of edicts from the federal level that influence the state at the state level so it kind of goes hand in hand really yeah who knows who actually like initiated the and it probably took them like seven months to actually get the raid organized because of their pace but um

That was very soon after we started our business. And if we didn't receive donations, we would have gone out of business. Like $90,000, the margins in food production are very slim. Distribution, all of this is a huge problem for smaller co-ops like us, like starting from the ground up.

And if we did not receive donations, we would not be in business today. And I think that that's kind of like the tune. And, you know, you see what happened with Amos Miller out in Pennsylvania, targeting people where they see like, oh, maybe this could go somewhere. We need to put this to an end now. But all we're trying to do is reconnect consumers with farmers and

A lot of our farmers don't want to market. They don't know how to market. They don't know how to distribute. That's a challenge. I have really high standards for food production. So just learning how to like rebuild that connection and decentralize the food system, have more organized partnership of farmers and be

Why does big ag and bureaucrats, why do they need to come into this and tell us what we should be doing? Because it's a mafia. And the design of the structure was put in place largely around World War II.

and the mafia needs to take care. And look, obviously you always have to put the caveat because there'll be somebody that'll listen to my show and say, there are really well-meaning people. So you always put that little caveat for folks, but you know, I'm sure there's well-meaning people. You can get well-meaning people to do anything. You get well-meaning people to throw people, throw a grandma off the cliff if they think that's good for their health. You know what I mean? They'll do anything when you get into that group thing, but that's what's going on here with

You know, it's a it's a World War Two era system that was designed for a central command economy, which would be called basically in the classical definition of big government, big business merging together. That's corporate fascism. And that system was put in place to beat the fascists and everybody else. You know, that was a problem at World War Two. You had to be able to command and control and have frozen orange juice, you know, and that was how you had to have your frozen little thing of orange juice. And everything was very complicated.

process and everything. And they never really got rid of it because it was very, you know, war is good for profiteering and it's nice to keep that system in place because you can consolidate power to a few beef producers, a few dairy producers and the whole thing's an oligarchy, right?

Yep. And it's funny because you get it. You understand the structure and how it is actually the system is so broken, but it is so profitable for these large companies. And that's what I mean in the beginning of this conversation when I said they're talking a lot of talk.

Are these big companies going to allow for these big policy changes to occur that will literally take money out of their pockets? It's going to be an interesting terrain and thing to navigate. Yeah. And a lot of the dogfight is going to be in the media discourse, right? Because now that podcasts, it's like a boxing match. The podcast and X kind of world just took a big win against the old media, New York Times and that stuff.

But they're not done yet. And they're very well funded and they got huge support. They got all the institutions and universities and everything. So there's going to be an all-out battle on so many levels, right? It's happening now. Do you see how they are putting RFK? How they are like quack, insane, like such bad messaging. And at the end of the day, if they understood that like what he is actually standing for,

but they don't allow that right and so yeah what is big media going to portray over these next couple of months and let's just pray and hope that he actually gets officially nominated for hhs let's let's pray that that happens yeah let's pray for that and let's also pray that the folks who are picked for fda commissioner and all the other ones nih underneath his division

are also not just cronies who are going to be pushing back against him every step of the way, because that may be a compromise that the corrupt, controlled Senate will say, oh yeah, we'll give you a token win with Kennedy, but then we'll stack all the other positions. You've got to give us big pharma or big food cronies to just stop them and sabotage every step of the way. But

Again, with media and with transparency and government like Kennedy and Trump are promising and Elon, there's a, there's an X factor here, literally with X. So, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, what's what your voice provides is a couple of different interesting ways to go with your farming experience. I mean, I recently, you know, when I, when I first reached out to interview, it was because of that Ray thing. I wanted to hear what that was like, because, you know, I remember I was at the rogue food conference and,

that they did recently, I think a year or two ago now, um, with, uh, at the, um, at polyface with Joel Saladin. And they had, they had a fiery speech from Amos Miller, you know, and he did a great job explaining what he was going through. And he did it. He had an awesome line. He said something like ye shall not pass or something. It was very Lord of the Rings level, uh, against, uh, the state intrusion, but they still persecute people like that. And I recently, I interviewed, uh,

You know, folks like Dr. Chris Kenobi and I said, we've got to be able to make it clear and we've got to be able to make it very resoundingly simple that you won Pennsylvania because you got a historic turnout in part from the Amish and a lot of other groups.

And they've been persecuted so much. And they're not going to come out again for years for J.D. Vance or something like that if their freedoms are not protected with this huge mandate that they were a part of. So Pennsylvania is such an important part of winning any White House. And so if you want to do this again, you really have to deliver for folks like Amos Miller, you know? Yeah. How do you do that? Do you have any particular laws or regulations that you would point people to that need to be repealed or introduced or something that you think would help?

Yeah, so for context, if the audience doesn't know, my sister and I started a farm, a regenerative farm, back in 2021. First generation farmers, zero experience. It's like comical to look back on. But, you know, I realized how important food sourcing is because the conventional food system is not serving us.

It's not working. It is a centralized, controlled, big ag, profit-centric business.

system where corners are cut every day, every second to maximize production and minimize costs at the expense of our health and farmers' health. So this is, I never blame farmers, right? They are doing the best they can given this horrible system that we have. The horrible system is set up for Bayer and Monsanto, that conglomerate, to make serious amounts of money.

And unfortunately, farmers get squeezed out so much profits. So many farmers are going out of business. They have poor mental health. They have to get off the farm jobs. Like it is, it's almost, so when, when I told someone, Hey, I am finishing my PhD and I'm becoming a farmer. Like they laughed at my face because of this perception that farming has in mainstream. Oh, it's a

Not a good job. You don't make money. Yeah. In the sense you don't. So unfortunately, like that's going to weed out more and more farmers. There's going to be a huge, huge land exchange in the next five to 10 years. 70% of the land is owned by 75 or older farmers.

And if we don't get young people interested in farming, that land is going to be sold to people like Bill Gates or large real estate developments. And we are going to become more reliant on this horrible centralized food system and food grown in labs. And the food that you eat every single day plays the biggest, biggest role in improving your health. And so preserving small scale regenerative farming is,

is so vital for any sort of hope on the health of future generations, right? And unfortunately, there are so many barriers that make that type of system, that farming style, just almost impossible for most people. Yeah.

Because when you are a farmer, you have to wear so many hats, right? You take care of livestock. You take care of the land, doing marketing, distribution, sales, quality control, like all of that is a lot. And so what my sister and I, and like what Amos Miller does as well, it's we're a partnership of farmers and we take care of the marketing. We ensure that customers are going to buy the products. We take care of, you know,

Credit card transactions, dealing with all that tech stuff and distribution. Shipping is a whole ballgame that I didn't even understand. And so then that way the farmers can focus on doing what they're really good at and get paid a fair wage. That's a big thing that I try to focus on the conventional system.

Farmers are barely paid anything. So let's give them a fair wage so that they don't have to work off the farm and they can actually have time and resources to do a better job while on the farm. So I think the biggest thing is, like I said earlier, where did consumers sign something that says the government must regulate what they consume?

These bureaucrats are put in place just to regulate food. When they came here to raid, because we sell raw dairy, when they came here to raid, they literally said, thank you for, thank you for this. Without you, we wouldn't have a job. And so bureaucrats are- Thank you for letting us destroy your product. Wow. Bureaucrats are put in place to regulate our food and-

What what are they using to base that regulation on right like what are they what value add are they giving, whereas if we go back to how things were in the early 1900s, a very capitalistic society where.

Farmers or farm cooperatives. There were quite a few farm co-ops at that time. I love studying early 1900 agriculture, USDA food guidelines, farming. They were doing a lot of things right before World War II. And they had a partnership of farmers that would then sell to consumers, right?

It was direct. There was no government intervention. And if the consumer didn't like the farm products, they would go elsewhere. If they didn't feel good having eating the farm products, they would go elsewhere because there are other options to choose from. And so how did we get to that type of model to where we are today, where they regulate every part of it, every part of it, and they have the most ridiculous standards that they

are very good for the big meat packers, the big dairy companies, processed food. They make sense for those items, but it doesn't make any sense for small scale. And it almost makes things so cost prohibitive

These regulations, they cost more. It costs more to get things done a certain way. It costs more to have more and more things inspected and with stamps of approval. These are all costs, right? The government has you pay for things at every step of the process. And when you are a small-scale farmer, the numbers just don't add up. And so, of course, people are going to get discouraged. Yeah.

And they start with the fear. It has to start with fear because even conservatives and so-called libertarians and conservatives will say, and health progressives or something will say, well, we don't want raw milk because you could die. Everybody could die. And it's just a mimetic hysteria that they've put into the people's minds for decades through propaganda.

And obviously there's always a little kernel of truth in any kind of hysteria. That's what makes it so effective. You can always point to one example here or there, but they don't ever point to the constant outbreaks of heavily regulated food that's always making people sick in any ways. That's never effective.

It's never really put into the narrative, but it's all about media. It's all about the media. Our country has been ruled by oligarchic TV and newspaper media for decades. I don't know the way you want to put it, but it's been about as long as this system has been put in place. Like you talked about 1910s was a different era.

Than what we have now. And that media era really kind of cemented and controlled this kind of mental insanity. They always use that word gaslighting. But they're the experts on gaslighting people into this constant state of this. It's like an artificial dark age. And if we could lift it.

People would be like, are you kidding me? We spent a hundred years doing all these insane things, keeping people away from really tasty food. That's extremely rich in nutrient, you know? Well, like, honestly, if someone doesn't do well with raw dairy, if they don't want to consume it, like you don't have to, right? Like there are very good pasteurized dairy options, but again, it goes back to like, if it comes from a safe place that you trust, why can't a consumer trust?

purchased from a farmer that they trust. Why does there have to be intervention in that? Why can't there be a direct path? And why is it that if anyone were to walk into a confinement building where thousands, sometimes millions chickens are stuffed into buildings, there's antibiotics in the water, they are on a very strict vaccine schedule, the food that they're consuming is garbage,

There's it smells bad like that. And then those chickens are butchered in a facility where their carcasses are dumped in bleach to clean off all of the nastiness on those chickens. We then consume the bleach. Other countries don't consume American chicken because of the bleach that's in our chicken. But that model is safe and totally fine because the government regulations say so.

Because it's profitable for the big food companies. And so the regulation standards, they got to change. They got to change. And do they even need to be there? That's the biggest question. Should there be a, there should be a direct line between a consumer and a farmer or a consumer and a farm partnership. Similar Amos Miller. He's got a PMA, a private membership agreement where farmers,

customers sign up understanding that this is a private agreement between the farm partnership, because Amos Miller is not the only farmer. He has a bunch of farmers supplying for him. Similar thing with us. There should be able to be a direct line there. Yeah. I think, you know, and that's something I asked Ron Paul when he was on the show. I said, do you agree, and this was kind of me being biased,

I like to put people from disparate worlds that I see connections. And I said, do you agree with the late, great Dr. Ray Peet when he said that, because Ray was someone on the left, Ron's on the right, libertarian, but there's so much synergy when you go on those paths, you start coming on to the same thing. Would you agree with Dr. Ray Peet that the food system, in some sense, the way in which they've subsidized seed oils and bleach and lecithins and all these terrible things

are actually not a bug of the system, but a feature that it's basically about using it as a kind of weapon to dumb and dull down the population from being able to rise up against their oligarchic masters. And he said, yes, I think so. He said he's an OBGYN doctor in his past. And he said, I've learned a lot of different things over the years that has really had me question a lot of the medical training that I grew up in. And so

I think that may be what we're dealing with, really, you know, at some level, maybe not at the middle level. Most people who are just going along with following orders, that's just the nature of human beings at a certain percentage of people's tendencies. But there's also this kind of design where they don't want that to change. Because when people stop hating their neighbor and they can actually have a strong thyroid and I always say, Paul, I've been trying to do this new thing because it's

Breitbart used to say, you know, politics is downstream from culture, but I think politics is downstream from thyroid. If your thyroid's impaired and the masses have this low energy state, that learned helplessness becomes a status quo of how we process and relate to one another, where we're snapping at each other or at each other's throats for the most trivial things, right?

I love that. Okay. So I think it's important for people to understand early 1900s, our dietary fatty acids were completely different than what they are today. We were much more saturated. So we consumed animal fats, butter, dairy fats, tallow, lard, the, the,

the animal products that they were consuming, the animals weren't eating a bunch of soy, vegetable oil, canola. These things didn't really exist, right? So everyone's dietary fat consumption was much more saturated. And the types of fat that you consume in your diet directly impacts the types of fat inside of you. It is very clear. Now there is data showing, fast forward to today, with this huge change in the types of dietary fat that we're consuming. We went from animal fats to

healthy, heart-healthy vegetable and seed oils in addition to changing the fatty acid composition of chicken and pork that we're consuming.

And we're substituting real dairy with soy milk and all this other stuff. We've seen a huge change in our dietary fatty acid composition, much higher in PUFA, polyunsaturated fatty acids, lower in saturated. And this is changing the human species. We are becoming a new breed of human. And this is well documented. Our fatty acid composition inside of us has changed. And this has changed.

severe, severe consequences on our metabolic rate. Polyunsaturated fatty acids are well documented to lower our metabolic rate. Just go look at any hibernation or torpor literature and you will see squirrels, bears, all these animals that go into hibernation, they increase their PUFA consumption before going into hibernation so that their metabolic rate can be downregulated so that they could survive not eating for several months, right? So humans are...

Our metabolic rates are being downregulated due to the huge change in our diets. And this is also being documented with a decline in our body temperature. So a body temperature measurement is a clear, like you can measure your body temperature and gain insight of your metabolic health. And because that is,

When you generate ATP, one of the byproducts is heat. And so the more energy that you produce, the better metabolic rate, better thyroid health you have, the more heat you produce and thus your higher body temperature. Our body temperature is declining. We're seeing chronic disease rates rising, rising cancer rates, obesity, obesity.

And our life expectancy is going down. Quality of life. Quality of life. And so who knows if there was someone that was ill-intentioned with this in the beginning. Maybe it was just like, hey, this is a cool opportunity. Let's build it.

But at what point are we going to wake up and say, hello, it is not working. It's not working. And when you are in a low metabolic state, you have less systemic energy production. So this is happening all over the U S your brain requires so much glucose requires so much energy to run properly. So when you are in a low metabolic, low thyroid state,

And guys, your thyroid lab work is not going to tell you that because conventional standard TSH measurements are not going to tell you that you have a fine thyroid. Subclinical hypothyroidism is like pervasive, right? We have an epidemic of that all over. And when you are in a low energy state,

your brain doesn't function as well. You can't think clearly. Like you said, you are in the state of learned helplessness. And so you don't question the status quo. You don't treat people well. You see this all the time. And I tweeted about this the other day. I'm having fun with Twitter. I'm kind of new to it. And I feel like I'm going back to Facebook status in high school and just like updating my status. I tweeted the other day,

How you treat others in real life and on social media is a direct reflection of your metabolic health. If you are mean, rude, always looking for what's wrong, snappy, you're in a low energy state. I'm sorry. But the question is, and that's why, you know, Trump said when he said he was going to do the Department of Government Efficiency with Elon and Vivek, he said something that I like. It's a word that I've liked to use for this issue. He said, I want a Manhattan project level government.

Group. Right. And I was like, we need a Manhattan project for understanding that.

what's going on in our society and why so much of this hatred between left and right and everybody else is all manufactured and downstream from thyroid. It's all flowing from the same bottleneck that's spewing out all of these dysfunctional outcomes that we're chasing the downstream effects. Oh, take medication for, oh, you know, practice different disciplines to forgive. All those are great, but I love there's a meme where there's a picture of

you know, this guy saying, Jesus, you've given me all these hard things. I can't understand how I can bear this anymore. And he says, have you checked your thyroid? You know, and it's like we can attribute all of these things to these, you know, which all are part of the factors. But to say, oh, my goodness, it's this is that is this. I can't ever keep up. It's just so much. That's not true. This is a psyop. It's not real. You were meant to live an abundant life. You were not meant to accept

This sense that the older you get, the grumpier you become. That's not the way it's supposed to be. You're actually supposed to become more childlike and joyful the more you understand how to take care of yourself. And nobody's talking about it. And that's, I think, the biggest downfall and potential pitfall of this opportunity with this new administration and everything is misinformation about what the alternative to the status quo is. That's where it gets really tricky.

No one's talking about metabolic health. And so truthfully, I've been in this for a little while. And when you say the word thyroid health, no one cares. No one tunes in because they've been told by their doctor that their thyroid's fine. Their TSH is totally fine. I find that people tune in when you start to bring up metabolism because that's more relatable to them. Like they can, for some reason, understand it, but many people don't understand thyroid health and metabolism and

They're intricate because your thyroid is the master metabolic regulator. Your thyroid is a single gland. People think it's, it's just your gland. No, no, no. There's a thyroid system and there's four parts, your thyroid, your

which produces T4 and a little bit of T3. T4 is inactive thyroid hormone. So the thyroid just produces the hormone. Now the body's got to go do something with it. What matters is that we get active thyroid hormone T3 into the mitochondria. No one's doing that. No one's doing that. Getting active thyroid hormone T3 into the mitochondria is the spark plug to initiate your metabolism. Right.

And there's, we are seeing metabolic breaks happening all over the body to not allow the T3 active thyroid hormone to get into the metabolism. So your thyroid has to produce T4 in active thyroid hormone. It's got to travel around the body, largely in the liver and in your gut, you see T4 to T3 conversion. So

So we want T4 to go into T3. T3 is active thyroid hormone. And then T3 needs to be transported to every cell in your body to go in the mitochondria and initiate energy, optimal energy production. It is the T3 that is required to turn enzymatic activity on so that the electron transport chain can run efficiently and we can generate ATP. So T3,

We're just checking our thyroid gland status, but we need intracellular active thyroid hormone T3 to actually have good thyroid health and metabolic health. And so it's a thyroid system in our Western medicine isn't assessing it. And again, if you go back to how they used to do things, Dr. Broda Barnes, early 1900s,

How they would assess health is body temperature, pulse, symptom assessment, and cholesterol measurements.

That gave them a picture of how the body was functioning systemically because metabolic health, thyroid health is the centerpiece of your health. If you do not fix that, you are just putting band-aids. When you fix your energy production, it's like the rising tide lifts all boats, right? If you fix energy production, all these symptoms are going to start to go away because then your body has more energy to run faster.

functions properly. If of course, if your body doesn't have enough energy,

Things are going to be down regulated. If you aren't producing enough energy, your body temperature is going to go down. If you have a lower body temperature, enzymatic reactions slow down. This is very well established in like chemistry, right? 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is like the optimal temperature for certain enzymatic reactions to happen in the body. No one is at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Everyone's down regulated and that's going to lead to a loss of function. How

How long does it take to get back to that 98.6 degrees in your research? Years? Years? Six months? For average people, do you know anything? It really depends on how long someone has been in this state. However, I really view that when you see health this way, it becomes simple because you don't view yourself as I have a disease, I'm broken, I'm damaged. It's just, I'm just a little bit out of tune.

And honestly, removing the metabolic breaks. So I think it's a two-step process. First, give the body the tools it needs. You need animal protein for B vitamins. B vitamins are vital for the electron transport chain. They're trying to take away our meat. They're trying, you know. You need adequate carbohydrates to convert T4 into T3 and to get T3 into the cells that

You need sufficient calories for your needs. You need electrons to move through the electron transport chain. And then you need to remove the metabolic breaks. So that's going to be endocrine disruptors with estrogenic chemicals that are all over the environment from toxic agrochemicals like glyphosate. You need to get rid of the PUFAs, polyunsaturated fatty acids in your diet where you can, right? So that would be vegetable oils, seed oils, aggressively eating nuts and seeds, sugar,

Soy milk, things like that. Chicken fat, I think, is one of the number one producers or consuming points for linoleic acid. That's what Tucker Goodrich reports. Yeah. If you can't afford well-fed chicken and pork,

Either don't eat it or and prioritize beef or just eat the leaner cuts where you're not consuming the fats on the chicken and pork. So reducing your PUFA consumption and prioritizing more dairy fats and beef fats and well-fed chicken and pork, uh, remaining active to whatever form of exercise that you prefer, uh,

Those are like very simple things that one can do that would, would really move the needle forward and not fasting all the time. Like people are, you know, bragging about, Oh my God, I've been so busy all day. I'm running around. And then they go and binge the rest of the night. But like, like,

That's not going to support your thyroid system. We have a lot of Ray Peet fans that listen to the show. So I want to leave it where, where do you want to leave it here? So we can think of this and maybe do another show, but yeah, a lot of folks say, Hey, you know, how can,

I understand all of the ideas of Ray because Ray did not give a little simple diet formula like the South Beach diet or the grapefruit diet. It wasn't some gimmick. He was just talking about principles and then everybody else has to piece together some kind of insight that might work for them. But with that comes this environment where there's a lot of confusing narratives as to what is something that Ray would actually recommend. For example,

Ray has said in some interviews, if you want to lose weight and get in shape and be healthy metabolically, sometimes you have to just stop eating, take a break, and then have a very low calorie for a little while. Some people say you've got to do super low fat. Some people say, you know, Brad Marshall researches with proteins and branched chain amino acids. So there's all these, you know, because there's no good research at the institutional level, everybody's just trying to work through this as best as they can with limited resources. What do you think?

you know, folks who want to take care of their health with this kind of bioenergetic paradigm and Ray stuff. Do you do low fat? Do you do middle of whatever you want? Low carb? Everybody has all these debates. What do you think?

Okay. So I think it's important to remember one of Ray's most quoted quotes is the main thing is to keep the metabolic rate up and there are many ways to do it. Right. So he never wrote out a specific dietary guideline. However, from my experience, working with people in our course and working with others is important.

I think that keeping dietary fats on the more moderate side is important because most people are in this like... What's moderate to you for people who want to write down notes? And then you could give them a website or wherever to go to learn more. 0.8 to 1.2 grams of fat per kilogram body weight. And I think that... Your desired body weight or where you're at? Oh, that's a good question. Your main body mass or, you know, where... I think...

ideal if someone has a lot of weight to lose then ideal could work but if if you're like in a normal weight range 0.8 to 1.2 grams of fat per kilogram body weight however

I do think that there's fluctuation there once you're in a good metabolic state. From my experience, for someone that is metabolically unwell, they're in this swamp land where they are severely insulin resistant. Right. And going low fat for a period of time can help them restore proper glucose metabolism.

If you look back to what our ancestors were eating in like the 1900s, late 1800s, they were eating a moderate fat approach. They weren't going super high fat, but they were kind of more in like, you know, maybe 25 to 30% dietary fat in their calories. But

But they were metabolically well. They weren't stuffed with PUFAs, right? So I think that when someone reaches where they want to be, when they improve their glucose utilization, I think that they can go higher fat, especially if they have a lot of muscle mass, because muscle mass uses a lot of fat, like sitting down here,

is using fat for fuel. Right. Um, but at the same time, my glucose right now is using a lot of, or sorry, my brain is using a lot of glucose right now. So I think it depends on where you're at in your life. If you are needing to lose a lot of weight, I do think that lowering your dietary fat, improving your glucose utilization, like literally the definition of having a good metabolism is being able to oxidize glucose properly, pull,

carbohydrates and the electrons from the carbs that you're consuming all the way through to the end electron acceptor oxygen. And then,

produce the maximal amount of ATP and CO2, right? So restoring that proper electron flow is very important. And for those that are not in a good metabolic state, keeping dietary fat low, once you're able to, you know, relearn, I think you can be more moderate and fitting your preferences, what you have access to, what is sustainable for you. If you feel like something is extreme, you can't do it, then that's not the right way. It shouldn't be hard.

I think that there's going to be a period of time where it can be harder than what you're doing now as you learn new habits and learn like a new way, but it shouldn't feel like you're like, like this all day, right? And you want to go binge and

that's a sign that there, there is, you are in a very low energy state and your body is asking for a lot of food. So I do think that short-term fat loss phases, like six to 10 week fat loss phases. I do think that those are helpful for people where you do cut calories. Ray has talked about this on a number of interviews. He has said, Oh, just use skim milk. So if you go from whole milk to skim milk, you cut out a ton of fat calories from your day. And so that's,

Doing a short-term fat loss phase and then getting back to your maintenance calories or pushing your maintenance calories as high as possible as soon as you can after that fat loss phase. We don't want to be chronically under eating because that is just a clear way to lower metabolic rate.

Well, this has been a fantastic conversation, and I think there's a lot of opportunity for further conversations in the future. But tell us where we can look at your farm products or anything you want to share, as well as I know you guys do your own podcast and how people can best find that.

All right. So if you want to learn more about metabolic health, that's like my, my sister and I's account strong sisters. So we're on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, strong sisters. You can find us at www.armstrongsisters.com. And then we have a podcast called rooted in resilience. So that's kind of, if you want to learn more about pro metabolic repeats, work metabolic principles. And then if you want access to like farm fresh, um,

clean food products, low PUFA food products. That's our passion project, supporting regenerative agricultural, decentralizing food system. That is www.nourishcooperative.com and Angel Acres Farm. So if you just search in Google Angel Acres Farm, you'll get some low PUFA eggs. So-

Yeah, we're working on both sides. Does that ship anywhere in the country? Yep. We are just, you know, diving in, shipping to all 50 states and trying to improve our shipping and distribution efficiencies over time. That's what we're only like a year in. So definitely learning a lot. But over time, we hope to lower costs as we when you're starting so small costs are high. And then as you

scale up and add more small farmers, we will never cut corners in the farming production, but we will improve our distribution costs. Well, very good. Thanks for coming on. And like I said, there's a lot of change opportunity that's afoot right now. And even if the political stuff all fails, the narrative, there's so much that classic word they use in politics, the Overton window of what's allowed to be thought about and what's normal, right? It's all mimetic.

It's shifting so fast that it's inevitable that if we don't blow up the country or the world with World War III or something like catastrophic, that we're going to win. We're winning. And it's not even if it takes, again, you know, three more administrations to finally tell the truth. The truth is unleashed. And St. Augustine said, you know, you don't have to defend the truth. Let it loose and it will defend itself like a lion. You know, so that's just what's going to happen. Yeah.

Great. I love it. I know. I agree. Consumers are waking up and that's what we need to happen. Very good. All right. Thanks for your time. And we'll, we'll continue to look at the strong sisters and what they're doing on the information side and nourish cooperative where you can get farm fresh foods. I'm David. Thanks for having us on your podcast list today. You can email me. Hello at a neighbor's choice.com. Godspeed.

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