#870 - Cenk Uygur - How The Left Continues To Eat Itself
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Who is more credible? The cost of the view or a dragon .

these days are friendly a dragon, uh so uh as you know uh joy bayar said that ah you can trust rogan. He believes in dragons. Oh well, joe bay hard believe that joe ban was a Young and dynamic ah that he had no coding of difficult all and he was the best possible candidate for the democrats. I can't find anything less credible than that.

Why are these people sound of touch? Like is IT, is IT purpose, or is IT ignorance.

So it's definitely north. And so course this is really interesting because I am billinger al. I speak both popular san and stablished and uh that's because I um worked M S MBC as a host.

I worked current T V. I went to the you know some of the same schools that these folks went to. And so I I mainly come from their world, but i'm a natural born populist. And so they've rejected me two thousand times over before I got to the right wing right. And so and but I know how they think, and they're in their own bubble, everybodys in their own bubble.

And so in their bubble they're write about everything and they're objective, right? And they truly believe that, right? And so anyone who disagrees with them, they think is not objective and is to be dismissed and derided and insulted.

And sara. And so they have no idea how clueless there and they did. They're not coming out from bad in ten, which a lot of people won't believe, right? But they actually they they genuinely believe they have the best of intentions.

And if you just listens to the establishment one more time for, then they'll really deliver. And if you cheer for them louder, they're really delivered. And I swear to god, they genuinely believe that.

Are they well read? Because IT seems to me, in order to be able to have that level of self belief, you to you need to really know what you're talking about. And i'm yet to see much evidence that that's the case.

No, that the other amazing part, they're actually really well educated, really well red.

But since the bubbles are so strong and thick, they still is like asking a fish, how's the water? And the fish says, what water? right? So what they don't understand, this is the cracks of what they don't understand, is that the establishment is built to preserve the status of the top ten percent, and then most important, top one percent, and then the top point, one percent, right? And since it's built on that, and almost all the people in the establishment are, at a minimum, in the top ten percent, at least in terms of social, economic status, and they grew up, most of them, not all them, but most of them grew up in that context, when joe bine provides about five to ten percent orbach, obama provides five to ten percent change, they think, oh my god, this is amazing. My life was already great.

And these sales have given me five percent extra positive change in their minds, right? Or ten percent positive change. How could anyone complain? You guys are nuts.

What i'm trying to get them to see is no brothers and sisters. But for the rest of the country, sixty percent of americans. Look, patria, patching five percent change angle.

Get IT done. They need fifty to one hundred percent change and you're not getting IT because you just don't talk to folks like that and you're not in that context. And when I say that, they think i'm the biggest radical ever.

And by the way, now of course, the new theory is that's IT. I've done the pivot and i'm a right winger and I abandon all my policies. I and I said to, no, i've been saying the same thing for twenty straight years.

You're not taking .

a hard turn to the right. No, not at all. So and here's another thing I talked about this unlikely show and and and I talked about my book coming and and whenever we can have an actual conversation, I want people to get this through their heads. I just wrote a uh a peace right before the election for news week about IT.

There's two political spectrum, there's the left right spectrum but there is the one that nobody talks about the populous verses established inspections um so I am populist left so you will see me I have left wing positions on many, many issues uh the great majority issues, but I also have a popular position. So that's what this combined lites that there are like. No, if you're on the left you have to be prostate lishman.

I'm like, no, that doesn't make any sense at all. The left historical was not to establishment. You guys turned them that into poetry ablishunists through all the corporate donations at sea sea. So that's why people are confused.

yeah. What that pivot toward, defending the people who have the most money, defending the people that have the most power, defending the people who were the most educated, seems to be turning the tibias al website down compared with what traditionally were the values of the left, right working class on class on class lines, not based on really that much else. A is IT salvagable is IT possible to try bring this back around.

Yeah, hundred percent. So look, um first of all, burning almost one in twenty and sixteen and twenty twenty I mean he lost by know the skin of his sea and that's only after the entire establishment coal as a ganging up on him and not just the politicians rilling around jo biden twenty twenty but all of being three media most important m sbc they all said all burnings are not see he's going to excuse people in central park which oh who else they call on not see alright Donald m so and so any time anybody's out a sauter now I am masa proud of Donald trump and I think that what he did in twenty was unacceptable and on america.

So we can go back, if you want to discuss and debate that. But he is trying to be a popular in his own way. I think it's a little fake.

We can even debate and discuss that, but at least is going in that direction. And berny is clearly a populist, and that is why the establishment hates both of them. But remember, they barely beat berny two times, so won't be berny against these two old.

But next time around, if we have an actual populist in the democratic primary, we can recapture the party in the way that trump has captured the republican party. And if we don't, we're doomed that establish can't win elections. They're too fake.

They're too phony. They serve the donor class too much. They're too ellide and and nobody's interest abortion.

You asked elon musk to put you in charge of cutting the pentagon. How that go?

It's sufficient. I'm now rotting the entire planet because that's how IT works. No, look, I thought IT weren't great and but the left doesn't think IT weren't great. So me, uh so island is want to cut two trAiling from the from the budget. In reality, there isn't too trillion to cut all directionally spending is only one point seven trillion.

But there is one place where you could have massive savings and a ga and that's because they never passed in audit is there's seventh straight audit that they failed. And they say that they generally can account for half the money, just over four hundred billion dollars. So I said on on x, hey, elan put me in charge of the planet.

Gon I cut four hundred billion overnight and hey always on your twenty percent uh of the way home to your goal, right? And he's some give me suggestions so this point is there um no democratic leader has ever asked me for suggestions even though I run the largest levering media network in the country. They've never asked why, uh, populist? What would a populist know? IT doesn't even was supported doctors, terrible.

We're ever going to ask you, right? So already that's progress. That's already Better than I was what I was getting from other side. And so then the left goes, no, don't say that, okay, but what do you want me to do? lie.

Do you want me to tell you the common harson joe biden call me every other day like, oh, we're really interested in more populist left things, or we're super interested in what our base wants. I had IT all interested in what their base wants. They are pretty much hate what their base wants.

So, so that's great. And then I that I gave a suggestion, which was he, listen, if you wanted cut in a real way, you'd have to, of course, do IT line by line. So if you bring me in and and we both went to warn, we both run businesses is, of course much larger.

But hey, I run a top ten media network in the country. So both of us know how we can go line by line and cut things that are actually wasteful, inefficient. And by the way, someone of this is just corruption, just massive or barrel spending.

Okay, but for now, I can give you a suggestion of stop the generals work for the fast contractors. Because the minute they retire, they go work for the military industrial complex, assist, they gonna get millions of dollars from those guys. What do they do before they retire? They give those same companies billions of dollars, sometimes hundreds of billions of dollars in contracts.

That's an obvious massive conflict of interest that any business person would understand, anyone with commons would understand. And so then don junior jump jumped in and he said, that's a good idea. We're already discussing IT. great. okay. So so .

you've got elon certifying and you've got the son of trump stepping in as well.

That's right. And and the nono trap junior came back in and said, again, hey, this is just common sense and and we should be going in that direction.

So now if the left once a complaint, if now it's if they do IT because they haven't done IT, if elan and trumpton IT set cut the pentagon or and or do a great rule about conflict of interest for the generals that the left has wanted for the last twenty, thirty, forty, fifty years, if they complain all they did the thing we wanted, guys, then I can help you, right? yeah. Does this can take the win? I can't help .

does this sense a lot of the time that purity is more important than Victory?

Oh, hundred percent. And unfortunately, that's one of the defining hallMarks of the modern left that I am rebelling against. And so in, look, I know.

So both signs, again, misunderstand each other. And again, on billings. Ual, I I use severe republican. I'm a progressive populist. I've been at in both camps.

I understand both camps and I speak both their languages, but they do not speak each other other's language. So the left thinks all it's all the trick, right? And there's there's good valid reasons for thinking that okay.

Uh, but they think, oh, there everyone on the right is of fraud and that is not true and they think, okay if the minute you agree with them, they're not going to actually do that thing. Instead, they are going to use IT to cut medicare, medicate all these other programs that we care about, and they are never going to actually do the thing that they said. Now maybe that's true.

And if that's true, well, okay, then i'll call out on IT. Problem solved, right? It's not like i'm going to go, oh, okay, they promised IT, so I will let them cut all the programs that I care about and I will not say anything.

No, man, if anyone hasn't learnt yet, I am uncontrollable. okay? So you're not going to control me from the left or the right, the democratic party or the republican party. So if they do stuff I don't agree with, i'm going to not only call IT out probably going to yet at that right. But if they say yes and then they do IT, I am going, unlike everyone on the left, i'm gonna take the fuck and win, right? I don't think that part is complicated at all.

You've been talking a lot about something that been fascinated around the last few years, which is the intolerance of descent from within the left, the hyper sensitivity around that. How frustrating is that to try and navigate?

Yeah but okay, so that is super frustrating and and there's an extra layer of IT for me. But I also want to talk about the right a little bit second.

So um on the left there's a theses that if you agree with the right even one percent, they will abuse IT, so never agree with that um okay yeah but that's gona lead to very own productive conversations right uh and then there's a also a feces of if you're not at the most extreme maximum position your strategies wrong. We should always defend the crazy should our side has ever come up with in human history. I don't agree.

I think that's a terrible strategy and that's how we want up and defund the police. That's how we found out the one up with transgender on document and immigrants getting free surgery, blob, blob blood like you, I told them that is ninety eight percent of americans are not going to be in favor or of that you are just flat out wrong. like.

And so if you tell someone on the left they are wrong, they get so hurt by that. There's they just they cannot stomach that. And and one thing i'll give the right credit for, this is way more debate, right? I think in the old days, as in like first trump term, there is no debate.

Trump, daddy, trump says, IT, everyone does IT period, period, okay? And the right wing also has its massive intolerance, right? Intolerance for anyone on the left opinion generally speaking, although now we're bring building some bridges, but also intolerance for I don't like that lifestyle, so that lifestyle is bad.

Hey, brothers and sisters, do you do you mean freedom? Or do you not mean freedom? If you, if you mean freedom, let anybody do there.

Any life's they like. What is IT of your business, right? So but again, I think these are times are different. I think trump two point out and and I might be nave and I might be too.

Hopefully I grant that to my friends on the left, but I sense an actual rightwing populist movement that might even push back against truck. So and I think the first place that push bikes, probably income as as well. But i'll see maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm a soccer and maybe guys, i'll just say, dad, I don't mean you because I mean rightwing popular.

We'll just go no, daddy trump, daddy trump, whatever daddy trump s says we want, right? We'll see. We'll find out.

Do you think that you're closer to right wing populist or left wing establishment people?

IT depends on how you define IT, right? Because if I say rightwing populist people will then say, well right right wing popular some right wing populists believe X, Y and z and those X, Y, Z positions are awful and I would never agree to that right um but if I say left wing establishment, they believe a whole bunch of I don't agree with right yes.

So and what I want everybody to understand, and both on the left, on the right, is maybe we are individual human beings and we are not born with an ideology that fits preexisting buckets. So there is bucket of left wing ideo gy and a bucket of lightning ideology. And those are all on different issues foremen.

Icy domestic policy spending, social issues that set a, and they say, no, this was set one hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, twenty years ago. You have to agree with every position on the left or every position on the right. why? My number one question that americans is, why? Why do I have to agree to a preset ideology? Why don't I say, hey, you know what? I like that on the left.

I like that on the right. I like that in the middle. And that's because i'm a human being, i'm an individual. I'm in amErica and so stop listening to your leaders telling you what you have to believe, and especially for rightwing pupils that that think and often do, but think that they cherish freedom. If you do others and sisters, you have to prove IT not just by churching your own freedom, but by churching other people's freedoms too.

It's interesting to think about the the way that the incentives online, you know how to answer on the show couple of weeks ago really be interesting conversation for her two and asked her the question, can you see the incentives and the dynamics that caused people to go from left to write? Because I don't see very many people going from right to left and I think that it's because of this sort of petanque purity nature that would you wouldn't accepted with open arms and IT does seem like until the left is prepared to let go of this incredibly high bar the the the maxims ing uh the number that IT can be nine nine percent 8 ninety nine percent must be one hundred percent。

Agreement with absolutely everything that the party line is saying that you have agree with. Where's the right side? You most of the way that come on over. So yeah, I mean, I just seems so obvious to me about why you get this slide to the right. I mean, even you talking to Donald from junior talking to elon musk, like that doesn't happen in reverse IT doesn't happen the other way around.

Ah well, that's definitely true. I mean, because as you were saying, I I was laughing inside at the idea of cma, a Harris saying to charlie kirk, oh, that's an interesting. What other suggestions do you have, charlie, we come on.

It's never, ever, ever going to happen. I mean, that's SHE never say that to me, let alone charlie kirk, right? Let alone anyone on the right. And so and that's because, again, that's not the left right thing as the popular establishing thing, because the people in the establishment think that the people in that are populists are dirt, and they think that they're not turn out in the elites. Why would I listen to them?

right? So like, they find like educated masses.

yeah. And they find the idea of taking a device for us just laughed ble, you know, you just laughed out loud at the diary in tractions. And they would, they would laugh at the idea, what would we learn from charlie cark or jack? You go to life and left. And that's why sometimes I get to know a conversation with someone who was an establishment democrat, and they're talking down at me like almost every time I I barely ever had a conversation with anyone who is an establish from democrat where they were doing this looking down their nose at me the entire type right? Like who the fuck .

you think a highly it's a highly unlikeable party to highly unlikeable group to be around?

Yeah so look, from their perspective, they would say, well, about you guys so you guys keep attacking muslims and transgender and gay people and black people they set from their point of view. You I know I know a lot of the right thing would disagree, right? But as someone who was as close to neutral as IT gets in terms of at least the populist, and no, the right way does attack those people.

And maybe not to the degree that the view says and maybe not in the same way that the view says, but are there attacks? Are their actual bills passed and that are, yes, definite? okay.

So both sides have reasons to distrust each other. But but what i'm saying about the establishment democrats is that they don't just distrust the right. They distrust populists that are on their side too because they're illegal by nature.

And and by the way, that also true of republicans. And but but why I give the popular right credit is because they let a rebellion and a successful rebellion, I guess, establishment republicans. So if I tell a democrats, mitch counters a piece of ship who took a billion dollars from corporate donors and does anything a corporate donor assume to do so, all of course, that's true.

Yeah, metro colors are worse. If I say Nancy policy did the same thing, I like, how dare you? She's an Angel.

When he took the same billion dollars SHE get IT for our well being and like git did SHE, because I could show you all our staffers that worked at health issues companies and drug companies and then all the sun. We can't negotiate drug Prices and all, you know. And I can go on and on and on, right.

But on the other hand, so now when I be the old past, when I talk to republicans, they would say the same thing, like, how dare you? Mi mico is the beloved MIT micro who is given us everything we want, including the giant corporate tax as we wanted. Well, now when I talk to, right, very popular there like a fuckers voco, oh my god.

right there you we're making grand.

Yeah that's right. You don't have to agree with me on the policy, but we the bare minimum that we all have to get on the same team on is and by the way, the rights, not completely on the team yet, okay, which is that the donors control everything their politicians serve, their donors, their that's why they do talking points, their empty shells. They are almost all crooks. And whenever don't know your money is given to them, they serve that money one hundred percent.

Does that mean if the donor is are so important? And i've heard this ad, phillips, on the show at the start of the year, and he was I was digger deep into just how much time is spent fundraising and having the smooth at cocktail hours and soon as if it's like way more time than you spend actually legislating or doing a locking job. Uh, is this something different now about elon being a large contributor uh financially strategically at saturn Operationally but being out front being owning IT like I am here. Sage, does that add uh an amount of transparency, legitimacy, scrutiny to him that gives you a uh, sense of confidence?

Um not yet no proof is in the putting, okay. And so proof is always in the pudding. Um and so look.

you understand the structure of what i'm saying here.

right? course. Yeah so let let dress IT in a couple ways. So first, while this trump serve the donors sorry guys, but definitely yes.

So sheldon adsum gave him a hundred million thousand and twenty sixty one hundred million in twenty twenty campaigns ribulose the packs and the mi meo send his uh you know his his wife he is now passed away, gave one hundred and thirty seven million dollars in this um uh cycle so that's three over three hundred and thirty million dollars that the ado, let's be honest, bribe down or truck. Okay, so legal bribe. And yes, the democrats definitely do IT as well.

Both sides claiming only the other side does IT. Is insanity not remote nature? So what had done to trump, to do for the elle sence? He moved our abc because sheldon asm to one one of the opposites of trump is that he can't help himself.

He just says, whatever is the top of his mind and that gives us a sense of authenticity. But the downside is he does confession, upper confession. And so he's like, okay, yeah, children gave me a lot of money, so I moved the embassy.

No, you're not supposed to give away foreign policy to a donor, sorry. And then he he gave myan ato son the presidential metal of freedom. For what brother? Come on for what that's like our highest honoring you're giving to a donors' wife.

So now the what's important is on the passport right now. So he appointed four people that are team merum. Marco rubio, state at least defend as you an ambassador.

Michael bi is ambassador or israel. Mike wales, national security advisor. All four of those are neo cuts, their war hawks, and they want more war, not less war.

That is not what the base voted for, that that team is real versus team america. I'm keeping IT real. And by the way, I say the same exact thing about commoners and job.

They totally sold this out because a pack gave over eleven million alejo bites without his career is a number one donor. We've given a different groups of, given over ten million now, five million from eight packs, six million from j story to combat Harris. That's why they they were willing to lose my shining and the entire election rather than defy their donors.

So now we prove going to me in the putting. So now so that's one of his donors. I can give you many other examples. Now when you turn the in on to your question, well, so on the one hand, he's more transparent about IT. That's good.

That's true, right? The coke brothers hit in the shadows and and the right would argue, and I think this true, some true to the George soros, uh, was in the shadows right? And a lot of times the right will say, oh yeah, would you ban George?

Source is money from politics and like, yeah, of course I would like I would you ban union money from politics? Of course I would. I would ban all money from politics.

That's the point. I don't want to cheat. And so that's the difference to unity, genuine and populist and and apart is right? So now elon has a lot of interest, right? Let's keep IT real.

He and one of the people and when he's during efficiency in in the government, if he gets rid of every regulator who regulates his businesses, that's super fishy, right? So is he going to do that or is he not going to do that? And you know, IT, there's an even trump.

He said that to one of the rallies because he can help himself. So I used to be against electric vehicles. But elan gave me a very strong endorsement.

So now pro l electric rather you not suppose, say IT out loud, right? So i'm hoping against hope the righting populism actually hold them to account. And my side thinks i'm a sucker for that.

And that right way populism is not genuine. It's all fragile ent. They're all gonna whatever trump I lang says. So we'll find out and and their actions will tell us who was wrong and who was wrong.

I've heard you talk about just kind of leaning back to do the criticisms that are internally. And I do think that you're right, the write not particularly good at taking uh, criticism uh, in the past. But recently IT seems to be at least I prepared to have the argument. But i've heard you highlighting, i've noticed to which is the democratic leadership finding IT offensive if you ask them hard questions this out of um what are you doing like we not on the same side, uh, which obviously doesn't allow you to shop in your sd particularly well because you can actually do IT constructively in a way that aiming to improve and move toward things speaking the same language out with the same goals, the same outcomes at SATA but yeah the the fact that it's not taken well, internal criticism, difficult questions are not taken well yeah .

there there's two ilus that so one is they believe that the world of media is to do marketing for that. So anyone who doesn't do marketing for corporate position an overall. But now it's mainly become corporate democrats. They find that to be deeply offensive and and unfortunately, they've trained a lot of democratic voters to find the defensive.

So when I criticize the by administration, I get push back from actual democratic voters saying, no, jane, jane, you're supposed to do only say only positive things about them, don't say anything critical because that'll heard our chance of beating trump. They've trained their own voters to believe in propaganda as a concept. And and I love democratic voters.

And so I I want to snap them out of IT. I want to say, hey guys, you guys are generally kind, harder folks who want to look out for other people. But you cannot have this ideology of no criticism.

Because if you do no criticism of your leaders, you will have very shitty leaders. okay? They will get ABS power crops up.

Power crops, absolutely. And it'll make your side weaker and weaker and weaker. And so for ten straight years, i've been argued for stronger primaries, actually way larger than that.

But I say the last ten years, because they had the ideology of, no, we will, annoying to a leader. And democratical leadership is geniuses playing four dimensions trust. And I sort of got, they would literally say that to me, they're playing four dimensions.

Chance your little mind can understand a jack. okay? So we picked the one who is the most pro corporate, and you pleasure the donors the most.

And that is the annointed leader who is has the best chancer of winning. And then they send every robot on M. S. The best chance of change.

And then, okay, but bernis, like he went from one percent to forty eight percent in a macos run with no media coverage. That was unbelievable. right? So how about that? That looks successful. No, he has no chance of waiting.

He is not a corporate robot, has no chance of waiting, right? And they got democratic phos who are good people to believe that bullshit, right? So i'm trying to snap them out of IT. And one of those things that I point to us, they're like, no, we should have no primaries. We should just have an annoying ting in a cheer leading and you're ruling the cheer leading jack.

Okay, had that work for us because in twenty sixteen, the dnc, that everything they could, including illegally funding money to hill's campaign through the state parties to make sure that IT was hilo clan and up berny centers, right? And they did as smaller primary as they possibly could. And then on the republican side, there is a free for all. Remember the um old, I don't know, they still do IT in W W E. But uh they were everybodys in the ring and then they are the royal rumble IT was that is .

a royal rumble about the royal .

yeah yeah yeah both of those uh and in the what they started calling the royal rumble, um you've got to throw everybody out of ring right and it's one against all and that's what twenty sixteen was and trump came out of IT. And I keep asking them like super simply question.

Can you remind me who one in two thousand sixteen? Oh, right down to dropped one in two thousand sixteen? There a problem is one in twenty sixteen after they had a super top and I would argue, vicious primer in twenty twenty, there's no primary on the republican sign, but there is a significant primer with twenty seven democrats uh, on the democratic side, democrats swin.

So in this case, the again they cancel the primary, they say the guy with dementia is the annointed one and and don't tell anyone that is, brain is melting oh my guys, he shakes hands with invisible people we all already know is great, is melting. There isn't enough propaganda in the world to get people to believe that joe biden is mentally healthy and they like, know there is and then he goes out. He's like, all my uncle was eaten by accountable and like, I mean, if you can't recognize that this brother is in bad, bad shape, you're trying to deny reality.

And IT is such a dumb strategy, forget that it's wrong and then it's immoral to lie like that. It's seta. If you want to win, you don't want your candidates brain falling out of this year like this is not complicated.

And ask why I had such blowups with alan lickin in because even after the debate, they can press you with the keys. He, he came on the Young horses I know, bines the right out. And like he said, he wanted to destroy medicare by accident.

Do we think that that's the right guy is like, no, the key aside, always go with the incoming, always go with the establishment guy. Joe, by, oh, OK. Look, if you guys gna be lunch s i'm not on board for that, right? So that I chAllenged in the primary.

We had a petition fourteen months ago to get in the hell out of the race. So that kind of you must surely you must do marketing. You must do propagate I despite IT.

And that is why we're oil and water like this. Sab, sure. Democrat probably hate me more than they hate any republican.

If if you said to them, you're force to go to lunch with jank or trump, I think every one of them picks trump every first check. No, no, no, no. I don't want any piece of .

that I was listening to. Uh, the rest is politics. They did A A number of post models, I guess after the election, a trying to break down what was going on. Now had this guy on a remember who I was but he worked with trump during his first administration and he was telling the story, you know, sort of one of these classic ones about, um he trumps fragility around knowing things or not knowing things, the sort of egotism that that seems to be pretty endemic, although a at least the snapp Y A part of IT a nerved publicly and care what he was, was something about the middle. He needed to know this thing about the middle of one person, tried to teach him something really important that would help to future proof them against the situation that was coming down the line. And robbers, like nobody knows more about the middle of me.

I already that that I read the book and that I know all the rest of IT ah, but he really needed to learn he really needed this to be uh, given to him so this dude that used to work that went in and took a different tag because he seems like quite a Kenny trude so the dude and he said, have you ever seen this movie brings up a movie and trims like the best movie that maybe the best movie that ever been made uh and he said, well, interestingly, there's A S A bad story to that that i'd love to tell you about and he teaches trump through they sort of odd acrobatic dance that has to do to sort of get himself to the stage where this information is to be accepted. This is, you know, if there are character flaws in trump that people really, really do not like, and that is sort of out front. This is one of those big ones sort of raging ity about knowing things uh the the uh brittan's uh around the sort of stuff.

And it's wild to me that the very thing that most people on the left would point the finger out around trump and the noses of, you know, all of the accusations that typically get thrown at him, a precisely the thing that they have decided to embody, as if you ask me an offensive or difficult question, that dissent, that's treason. You, this is a mutiny you can do IT. And like you are aware, your taking for your own playbook, the exact thing you see is the biggest weakness from the other side is this weird, ironic tragedy around that.

Yeah, I got that such a great point and I hadn't thought of that that way. So it's absolutely true about trump and and it's it's kind of hilarious uh he's often accidentally very funny. Uh so you know like the clean coal one is an is an example, but there's like dozens of these, he says so you know quick, clean cold when you they take out the coal and they wash IT like, no, it's not okay.

But that's not the important part that he got that wrong. The important part is if I was going to give that speech, I would think, do they do they take up the colon wash? That seems unlikely.

Let me ask someone right. But trump t never thinks, let me ask someone, right? Hey, if you, you know, if you put the disinfected inside the body, ask that affair.

Don't ask IT honea right? Learn like. And he comes, I say, no one new health care was this complicated.

No, brother, we all new health care was super complicated. You didn't know because you didn't study IT. And and and like, I get mad at the democrat for all the things that they do wrong.

I'm surprised the right thing doesn't have matter. Trump, for all the things he does wrongly. He never does any homework. He never done a piece of homework in his life.

And that's problem because is daddy got to school anyway? But you're right that the democrats now have that same kind of impervious attitude whis. Yeah, maybe they read books and they went to, I relieve schools, and they did all that food stuff.

But but if you say to them, hey, I have a suggestion for you. They are got reaction is fuck all. Kwh, w, wow, wow. wait. Okay, but you said truck was terrible for not taking any suggestions. Why would you take any suggestions? Because they find the idea of taking your suggestion from someone who doesn't have status as as an anathema, as something deeply troubling, that they would never .

even consider this gate keeping based on background, position, social class, social group, whatever, is, uh, a very british thing that really feels like IT sort of inhabited the posh verses patara a discussions that they like. They're just endemic to U. K.

Culture, right? I never, I never once heard an american person use the word push in the UK. IT is used every single day by every single kid in school.

Because class permeates everything. Everyone is is aware of the front center. And it's so odd to see americans who, you know, we criticize the left of lifting the working class for not efficiently focusing on the working class. Also the fact americans kind of almost denied that IT existed that IT get all square recently being put into race or it's being put into sexual orientation or into the area that you live in know whatever um and get IT. This just sounds like a lot like class gate keeping, but just coming out in different ways.

So there is a really good reason for that. You're absolutely right about the observation. And the reason is because establishment republicans and established and democrats for my whole lifetime have been trying to make sure that we don't talk about class.

They want to talk about race and sex and gender and and both sides do identic politics. And if you're right, winter and you think, no, we don't, you're nuts and i'll put you in a second. Okay, so but what they wanted to do is they wanted divide us on culture war bullshit so that we don't realize all what we haven't common is that we're the ninety percent.

If the ninety percent realized that they were united on those grounds, the top ten percent that are all rigging the rules to their benefit would be fucked. And they know that so they're like, okay, here's some red meat on trans issues now masses go fight each other, right? So the reason why I tell the right, look, you guys are full of shit too.

You do nothing, but I don't need politics on your own right so here's an example. Nancy mace comes out after the election does a look at me, daddy, move with the trains bathroom with bathrooms and go no trans in the women's bathroom. That's that's the big issue in congress.

I mean, we're got thirty six trillion dollars in debt. Uh, you know we're a mess. We're not funding, but we don't have paid family leave. Every other nation on earth .

has paid family every time fucking in here. That study blows my mind, I mean.

again, but that's because we live on our corporate rule and we've had these corporations, publicans and corporate democrats getting us to fight one another for decade after decade and doing mass propaganda through mainstream media. Hey, guys, don't focus on the fact that you are slowly getting crushed by corporate rule. That that trash compactor seen in star wars were all getting squeeze, squeeze.

So that's why americans don't even know that the rest of the world gives moms twelve weeks off after they have a baby, because they are human beings and they understand that, of course, mobs need three was at least to bonne with their baby. That is a very right wing position. That is a very left wing position, that is a very human position.

And that is why eighty four percent of americans agree. And these bullshitter and washington tell us, or there's no way we can pass IT. And so what I say this about buying the same way that I would say just to be with your Donald trump, don't tell me that you can pass a bill that has eighty four percent popularity and then tell me that you are a good politician because those two things are not possible.

If you can pass that bill, that means you suck as political. And the reality is, is not that they suck, is that they don't want to pass the bill because corporations would lose a home seven and a half cents over that. And remember, I run a company.

I know how much they are. Boll shooting you, right? It's not that big a deal for companies to give paid family leave at all.

For, especially for trillion dollar companies, they are doing IT out of unbelievable cruelty. And so they bottle over our politicians and they get them to go out. Is paypal rennel level as impossible?

Higher wages is impossible. Universal health care is impossible. Everything is impossible.

And anything that helps you is always impossible. And aiding that helps to rich. Obvious all a giant corporate tax a year ago. Obvious that the .

easiest thing in the world, how much do you think the equivalent middle management bureaucrat, government officials a shitting themselves about having elon musin vivo breathing down their neck if this thing comes off?

Well, a lot um but and they should be um so look, i'm so if they're talking about actual efficiency and they actually want to cut port barel spending, like I set on x like I set on every show and i'll say here i'm here for okay, put me in coach let me, adam, because these sides of bitches have been wasting our money this entire time. I give one more example from the pantagruel twenty fifteen, they buried a report.

why? What did the reports say that they had wasted one hundred and twenty five billion dollars? billion.

How do you lose and waste one hundred and twenty five billion dollars? You do IT by saying, don't ever cut the pentagon. You're endanger our security.

You're all going to die unless you let me steal one hundred and twenty five billion hours. bullshit. We've been rob us blind at the petting on my entire life.

Now they're not the only department that does IT. And if you find other insistence of ways to abuse, great. I'm happy to taking up, but what I worried about is then I worried about the abuse, or maybe they are.

But on top of that, they also have another, which is, oh, lena consent pain in my as regulating my businesses. Oh, SHE doesn't want me out monopoly. Yeah, SHE doesn't IT out monopoly, because monopoly are against capitalism.

They destroy capitalism. So jd van said he was in favorite in a on, let's find out, let's find out, because in on mosques, against him, against her, and so was all of commons, ses, top donors, my cuban and settle. They are all against lean, a con.

That means is actually trying to protect the average american. okay? So if you cut lean, that isn't saving anyone money, is costing a lot of people money, right?

I give that is an example, but we go on to them. But but what's gna happen is they're gonna cut until they get to a point where the american people are gonna go. Now don't like that, right? So I think where the rubber hits the road will probably be department of education.

And if they go to cut the entire department of education as theyve thread to do multiple times, I think the american people are going to go, no, no, no. We ask you to close the border. We ask you to end inflation.

We ask you to care about the average guy. We didn't ask you to destroy education and replace IT with private education, which you're all going to get rich off of, right? So let's see how that comes.

Yeah after now that the dust settled you know a few weeks hence from a the the election, what's your sort of post modern being able to tie everything together? Another fog was fucked off. Do you think this was more a right Victory or a left loss? Was your side of head fAllen on this?

Yeah, I think it's actually super clear. So people vote for change. They almost always vote for change because the new liberal system, they sometimes they call a neoliberal, sometimes I call a corporate rule, is basically the same thing corporations have gained so much about.

Which, by the way, in my book, justice coming, I explained the founding fathers did the american revolution not just against the british emp ire, but against the bridge british east india uh company, right? So the boston tea party was not against the british government. IT was against that corporation.

They went through their tea overboard because they were tired of their bullshit, right? And so the founding fathers kept warning us, be careful with corporations, because they will accumulate so much money and so much power. They will use IT to choke off democracy.

And they were exactly right, right? So that's what's happened all across the world. So people like, I don't get IT brazil going left and right and left, and argentina going on extreme left, extreme right.

I I don't understand what's happening. I can clear IT up for you are voting against the in comments, they're voting against the establishment. They're voting against uh, corporate rule.

So and they're doing IT all across the world. So in this case, commonly has was actually people have already forgotten this. There was a brief window when he was up in the polling by about seven points.

Now the polling turned out to be wrong by about three or four points. IT wasn't off by thirty or forty, was off by three or four. So in that window, SHE actually could have won the election if they had held the election that day.

So why was SHE popular back then? And then he lost all of her popular. yeah. Well, because he came out with popular positions in the beginning. SHE said, i'm going to end Price gouging by these sums of bitch corporations.

I'm going to go after, uh, what they're doing on housing and i'm going to lower the Prices of housing. I'm going to pick the walls. And I know all the right way now have problems with tim walls.

But till ls was a populism minnesota, that past paid family leave etat seta. So he started out in a great direction, is strategically as SHE SHE. Sky was down eight.

She's up seven. Holy should he gained fifteen points naturally, which is so hard. And then her moron, corrupt brother and low tony west, whose a corporate lawyer for uber was like, no, I got a great idea.

Let's go kiss corporates. So he convinced her to put out a letter saying that ninety corporate ceos are on herself. And he convinced her to put mark cuban all over cable news.

I gone to be with my cuba. I have agreements and disagree emas with them. That's fine, right? But strategically, IT was a massive mistake to put cubit on cable news go.

No, SHE loves big business. No, SHE loves corporations. No, don't worry. He's that can doing you that Price gays you.

So she's going to let the corporations keep fucking you, right? And then her lead evaporated the whole, and oh, he loves this. Chai and dicky, are you guys idiots? Dick chinese, last post at thirteen percent.

Who to hell do you think you're GTA wait with dick chini? They just can't get IT through their heads. So as soon as he turned around and ni on the anchors started saying terrible strategy where word we're doomed and that's exactly what happened.

How big of a deal do you think the wall stuff is being because everybody y's heard. Thirty percent of the trump teign budget went on this one add the most effective political ad in modern history talking about they damn and for illness, uh, which on the surface probably makes you feel like, well, I was A A A linchpin sue. Or the injury issue, how much do you believe that?

Yeah so at Young turks we have uh a total open mind. So I have people to the left to me. I have people that are more established than me.

And so uh we had a huge debate for the um uh election I was on the side of IT made a difference with two other hosts that were more leftist than I am who said no, the ad didn't make a difference okay i'm going to have the same debate with my nephew of his own picker on thanksgiving with you think called janki giving on his dream uh and he's more volatile than I am. So we fight for an hour two and then we go and thanks again together okay? So we're going to have that same fight.

And the essence of that fight is they think no, go maximum st position and say that, you know, every other president should be a african american, trans, disabled person and will win all the elections. And i'm like, that's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

And I this huge fight with his son earlier about crime and he's like, no, it's imaginary. Okay, if you'd like to get your clock clean, tell the voters that they're imagining being in danger when they're actually in danger OK, you're gonna get a IOS ted. And what happened? Pop thirty six was a referendum basically on crime in california, in california with massively democratic voters.

IT passed with seventy percent. That is, democratic voters is going, yes, there was crime. Yes, we were pissed about IT and cut the shit out.

Okay, move those missioners back. The fines. We're not interested in domestic as ult being lightly treated.

We're not interested in having our tooth face locked up at a cbs, right? If IT is real. okay. So now but IT connects though IT connects with our earlier conversation because the end of that transact was okay. So that position is so extreme and they don't get IT, they think it's not extreme.

No, asking me to pay for your surgery when you're not a citizen yet and you're a detail brothers and sisters, I got a thousand priorities. And maybe we disagree on whether I would pay without surgery if I had all the money in the world, right? But we don't have all the money in the world.

We don't even have paid family leave what we're going giving surgery to prisoners or detainees in that case anyways, at the end of the ad, IT says common harses for they them and trump, as for us, see that connects the back to population. So commonly haris seems to be generally for the them whether it's an extreme position on on trans rights and and by the way, I want to be clear, i'm one hundred percent for trans rights, constitutional rights I am not for I have a right to play the W N. B.

A. No, you don't. That's not a constitutional right. okay. Uh, but if you try to take away their actual rights, i'm to fight you to the end on IT. okay.

But but that idea of therefore other people, democrats, whether these extreme transparent tions, whether it's sometimes criminals as bad, framing democrats. So what are you doing, okay? Or its corporate gones there for them and not for you. And the reason why IT resonated so much is because that established, and democrats have proven over and over Young, they for them, not trans people, not black people, not immigrants, but for corporate donors, so they will never, ever listen to the people.

Why that commercial .

reasons so much .

that plays into a wide native sp. The suspicion that people have kind of feels like that might be the case. And then IT legitimately any claim that then follows along that same side of train tracks.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And so those two things collided in a way that was toxic and and ultimately prove fatal for the democratic c chances. And by the way, again, on the Young turks, what do we say? We said, don't go that extreme left.

We were right and don't go corporate and we were right. And so we did that at the risk of losing some of our audience, and we did. We lost some of our h paying subscribers.

IT hurts financially, but IT matters if you're being honest or not. IT matters if you're authentic or not. And so what i'm hoping for is at the end of the election that those there's three wings of democratic party, the corporate way, the stability wing, that's one there.

The dominant ones, unfortunately, that's bin Harris l. Clinton sa there's extreme left ewing, the identity arian left at sea, what you guys, what right wing would call work politics and so but there's a third way that's awaiting the populist left wing right, the berny centers twenty sixteen, take care, the average american way. So honestly, that wing was only when that was correct.

Other two wings were totally discredited in this election. Now will we be able to converse democratic primary voters of that in twenty twenty eight? That's the big .

question I just said I did so that three pronged layout that you've had. I wonder how much of the democratic party if that's true, let's just assumed that that framing accurate uh, I went to how much of the democratic party actually likes both the right and the left obsessing over the identity politics wall stuff because IT creates A A spector that people can thrown stones out. That isn't the corporate side, that isn't the establishment side. IT allows them to hide behind the much sexy, a much more headline grabbing, a uh, little nefarious underling that a cause for the for the dams.

hundred percent. And guys, what you don't know is that a lot of those cultural wars are started by the republican donor machine. So what they do is they go, okay, let's try to dig up something that the american people will hate that on the left.

So on the tran's issue, for example, they started with, okay um if you remember in the first trumpet administration, he thought about betting them from the military and that turned out to be unpopular because people were like, well, they're risking their lives for the country. That seems nice. That seems good.

I don't do that right. So then they move to the bathroom issue, and then eventually people were like, what are you going to do? Check details, genitals and bathrooms to see which bathroom I H ago.

And that is improved to be popular. So then they moved to, okay, trans women in sports. Oh, boom, they got IT, right.

So why are they doing that? Why are they going through all those things? Because they're trying to find a way to have a wedge between us. That's why they're called wedge shoes, right? So they're trying to find a thing that is unpopular on the left, so they could use that against the left.

why? Because of the same reason that the establishment democrats do identity politics, because they don't want to talk about the economic issues, because on the economic issues were all united against them. So they have to divide us. And so I would ask my writing brothers, assist you stop falling for the trick, okay?

They are not picking a cars on both sides, right? The opportunity for you to find something on the left, which is A A ridiculous margey. Taylor Green, whatever she's got up to this week, or you know, even earlier on today, like you can not pick the not picking, you can almost use. This is the of reactive cycle of story occurs, someone reacts to IT, the reaction occurs to the reaction, the matter reaction about what everybody saying happens. It's so predictable.

And in fact, we predicted IT. So on the own terms, we love doing predictions. And so um for example, I said about fifteen fifteen months ago, I said biden has approximately as zero percent answer winning this election and right before he dropped up his staff said we believe he had a zero percent of chance of winning the selection okay.

So now on this ground i'm not telling you all this stuff about I might disagreements with the extreme left now as a monday morning courter back and after the election we started saying in two years ago we started to saying, hey, guys, this is wrong direction. And we got into huge fights over IT. And so in one of the, and what I was trying to explain to them is, guys, the other side is digging to find something unpopular on our, they will eventually find IT. If you dig long enough.

And so when they do find IT, can you please not help them by falling right into that trap? And their resounding answer to us was, no, fuck off. So so when they got to change sports, then, like that portion onal, the lap fell into the trap.

They right into the trap. They are like, yes, no, there's no difference between trans women and biological women. Oh, my guys, a transplant entered a weight lifting contest.

She's in her forties. okay. And notice i'm saying, SHE, I respect all of her choices.

I respect all of her rights, but he enters the contest and wins by two hundred pounds, even though she's in her forties. This is a biological difference. Of course there is.

And they like, no, we're going to fall into the trap and i'm like, okay, so you think I might look, give lebron every hormone on planet earth. Put him in the W. N, B, A.

He scores two hundred points at night. You like, no, he would be an average flake. Okay, look, I can't. So they wouldn't listen.

And i'm asking right wing populus, now can you guys please listen every time they do a cultural war issue, they're trying to distract you. It's a fuck and squirrel. Okay, focus on things that matter in your life.

Does your daughter of health care when he needs IT? Are your wages higher or lower like here, fifty thousand and wage or right? When was trained to propaganda from corporate republicans?

You should hate them in im wage. You should hate them in A M wage. And the propaganda is, oh, if you have higher wages, it'll drive up inflation.

No, dick, inflation already here. Higher wages at least allows me to keep up with inflation. So the what you're saying, we should move up the Price of cars and bananas and and houses.

The only thing shouldn't move up as your wages now fuck off. So you can tell anything you want about trans bathrooms in either direction. But at the end of the day, fight for your wages, fight for your heart care, fight for your fame.

says IT. Does having ultimately the job of the political party? First job, the first job is to get into power. Because if you're not empower you not really didn't shit.

So do you think that there will be a reckoning on the left? Do you think there will be a we assessment of the things that have been focused on will IT result in a genuine change of any kind? Or you said you like predictions, what's your. Prediction to this.

Yeah so um and and i'm also where are a few people in media that a acknowledge and i'm rock, right. So I thought the twenty twenty online media was already strong enough to beat mainstream media and that's why bernie Sanders would win a fight because mainstream media is a propaganda, a machine uh, and they despise burnley more than they despise strong.

They hate them with every fiber there being because he's a true populist left person who is actually looking out for the average guy. And nothing bothers that, at least more than that. So but I thought he was uh, online media that was backing him.

And the uprising instead would be enough to overcome by. And IT looks like for the first three primaries that burning one he won all three IT looked like we were right. But IT turns out, no, when they call us that obama pulled them in and climbing, pulled them in and said, boot, gis, global, a char.

All you guys shut the fuck up and backbiting. And hey, morning joe is cna. Everybody shut up, except just everybody called bernie, the most successful jewish canin american history, and not see and his followers not cease.

Just go do that. Smear the shit out of him. Let's go.

And when they did that, obama gave and climbing gave that order, and he didn't. To be clear, he didn't give the order. Mmc n syne that's more group think, okay.

And so but when that happened, uh, we lost because IT turned out mainstream media was still bigger than online media. okay. So I was wrong about that.

Um now in twenty twenty four, for the first time, online media has been strong in the mainstream media. And you see that because maistre m media all said in unison, mos vote for coal law. Harris trumps great danger.

Trump s the worst hurt human alive. And look at this, I in bunch that I agree with them on about trump. I think we can get into that another time.

He's egomaniac. He should never said, terminate the constitution and seat, seat. Okay, but don't tell me that commonly, Harris perfectly find where he could barely speak, right?

He speaks in talking points. He looks like a corporate robot. So, but those bullshit, for the first time in my life, lost, right? Why does rogan theodore, all those podcasts are trumped, got the more views than all the paid media, the commoner Harris got, and all the mainstream of media that he got.

So that gives me some hope, not because of trumper republicans, but because in twenty twenty primary, that we might be able to win in the primary and have a truly populist left. Kennedy, which would finally give amErica S A real choice, wouldn't be amazing. Hey, do we go in that direction of that guy genuinely trying to help the american people? Or if you guys come up with a genuine populist, that person johna genuinely help the american people, but in a different direction? Now let's let the american people decide.

So I hope that our sides, online media, including the on turks, is strong enough to overwhelm msnbc and windows primaries, because this is really important. People misunderstand politics, they think. And and this is a mythology that television has been putting out there my whole life.

Oh, two sides got together. Everyone in the country watch the debate. They, they analyze the policy issues, and then they decided, which came day, they like Better.

No one side got brainwashed by one set of media. The others side got brain wash by another set of media. And then some people broke free of their brain washing, and they're floating out of online media. Right now it's sara. So what the sides elections is almost exclusively media. So the media wars are going to determine who was the twenty twenty eight election as they have throughout is just that for the first time, our side as an online media is more populist, is now winning.

Chunk yoga ladies in gentman chunk, appreciate the hacked out of you. Thank you pretty much for today. What is coming up for you guys next? What can people expect?

So one of the things that we're doing A T, I T outcome is we got a populist plank. And i'm super curious to see if the lighting agrees with those positions. And what i'm saying is let's to do a voting block.

And so if your side is true and they deliver on these things, i'm not playing around with anybody. I don't care what the teams are called. I don't care what there's an A D on your helmet.

You deliver paid family of and you war money out of politics whatever those positions that i'm going to vote for you and that that was signing that pledge means, okay, whichever side delivers, I vote for them. And if you don't deliver, fuck off. okay? So i'm not going to vote for you if you don't actually do the things that we want.

You can tell me how terrible other side is and you could both sides fear monger oh my god, they're let trains people in know all the bathroom right and other science like, oh my god, you're gona turn the country into, you know, the fourth right, right? You can say that all you want, but those six policies are all super popular with right and left. So you deliver on this.

We deliver our votes. If you don't, again, in unison, we should shop to them, flock off. So, but I don't know the right thing would like IT or not like IT.

So good check IT out on T Y T. outcome. Look at the thing. If you like to sign the petition, watch the show. We do live show sixty apm every day, monday through friday, and every right winger that watches that goes holy shut their artist I didn't expect that and we criticize both sides.

And by the time we criticize trump, they're like, oh, I get IT they actually give a ship and they're not criticizing him just to be addicted drum or just to be on the opposite side or just because their democrats on the left, they're doing IT because they have genuine concerns. So come check out Young turks on youtube. Ba N T Y T outcome anytime. Sign the pledge, if you like IT and and at least here are case, so you can make an informed decision about which side to go with.

Appreciate you. Make good to chat.

Thank you.