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Asians in the U. S. Are not present by company. However.
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that we can call these policies races. Now.
bill action, he's using language that every working class White guy who accidentally found himself on twitter ten years ago was saying, pub, harvard president is under a lot .
of fire right now. I think what stamps is the double standard that SHE applied to this speech, as opposed to speech during the last four.
five years? A is a completely manufacturer, sort of multi.
The fact the government is legitimizing IT. I mean, there's a new quanta stamp coming out. What is this in twenty, twenty four? Welcome back to the pog guys.
We have a pack show for you today, a bunch of like crazy fund topics. The very first thing I want to talk about is a tech story, I think is part of a much bigger trend that, that seeing happening here. We have a racist hiring scandal at IBM right now scheduled to me.
I feel like it's sort of not gaining the traction in the media that IT should be um but in both directions is neither being defended nor attacked which is weirdly, in my opinion, to sign of progress. But just back up for second, i'm going to break IT down for you. So James okee monday evening releases a video of twenty twenty one in which the CEO of IBM with one of his subordinate at red hat is which is a subset area of IBM, is talking about the A D I policies at IBM.
And like, very casually, happily, there was really just speeding about IT dislike problem at hand and how they go about IT. He revealed that in some, in at least some part, bonuses are tied to the number of like black and hispanic people and women who are being hired at the company. So IT was a positive thing.
Internet of the positive pieces. If you, if if your executives are hiring enough black and asinine s, they're gna get a bonus. And if they're not, their bonus is going to be taken away. He further says this is the CEO further says that asians do not count.
So we take under represented and gender. You got to remove both forward by a percentage that leads to a pass on your bonus. By the way, if you lose, you lose part of your bonus.
I'm not trying to finance this. So for blacks, we should try to get toward thirty point something percent on his panics. You got to get into the michelin's.
So let me say IT. Asians in the us. Are not an under represented minority in a tech company.
IT, kind of perfectly incapable. Tes, I think a world view in a perspective on race in amErica that lives on the very far left. But I also think it's illegal. I I do. I think this is a violation of the sillier rights act, which is pretty shocking.
And the way that people in these seats of power played really fast in less with this stuff, some of the biggest and most important companies in the country over the last few years is shocking. And now kind of being released in this new cultural moment is not being received the way that at once was several years ago, when a lot of this stuff was first percussion, percussion open and being spoken about the concept of quotes, not critically. What has changed in the past few years is is a supreme court case in which he was ruled on constitutional for a college to discriminated against people based on their race when he comes to admissions. We are sort of on the path right now two legal chAllenges, certainly at IBM this point.
And I think probably at companies throughout the industry, as more of this stuff starts to be revealed in a public way, which I think IT almost has to be revealed because they're such an appetite for IT on light right now, which is the other I take much bigger part of the story, which is, uh, the culture has just completely shifted on this IT is no longer considered sort of a nice thing to do IT is met with um real anger uh across the country and these people I mean critically IBM I read this piece in bloomer and I was surprised the headline was obviously defensive of the policy uh and kind of went after James so keeps a little bit but when I read the actual peace expecting more of that. I didn't see IT but I saw just an accurate description of what was going on sort of details of of the story and that says to me, I mean, this sort of lack of defense of this policy, this in an clearly racist hiring policy, was telling that says that we're sort of entering a new not only cultural moment, but even a media moment. I was really surprised not to see any defensive. This aren't what you guys make.
It's interesting that we can call these policies racist now. And twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty one IT was really not okay to call these policies resist, even though on their face they definitely are. And that vibe shift is very interesting to me. People just saying this is racist yet .
does not push back at all for that.
I haven't seen any.
I mean, I I, I, I used to get I will get dumped on constantly and it's just it's completely over. I think that you you see a little bit more know a lot of this is also x uh or twitter is a different platform. I felt IT was very different even before you launch ook over.
I think I wrote about the vibe shift at the time already just little a little bit after before he admit any changes, just the culture felt like IT kind of IT was over, uh, this sort of discourse but even I mean, you would still expect something, you would expect stories in the press. You'd expect something from maybe of the time that at least box or someone sort of jumping in in in defending, uh, the C E. O.
And you don't keep that at all. I've asked readers and i'm asking you guys now, uh, anyone listening if you guys have any more details on what you've been through at any of these companies when IT comes to this stuff? Any kind of races, hiring practices, any racist like language policing, weird contracts you have to sign that we're coerce against your will, uh, the culture, anything that felt hostile on these racial lines.
I would love to hear about IT. I am I think we are pretty close right now to A A recording when IT comes to the D E, I stuff. We've also seen you see tech figures now sort of previously fence sitters openly talking about D, I in using this like is racist, right?
These are not people that you think of us, the right wing tools, as many of the early canary in this coal mine were labelled. These are regular guys just um I think you could say maybe for people, people who were scared or they're just the kind of people who capitalize on attention trends. And in either case, what IT says to me is things are very different now than they were a few years ago εοΌ which brings me to bill act men.
So bill had a big hetch fund guy, took a bit of money back from harvard during the sort of a yay ham's shit that's been going on or yay ham's drama over the last two months, which we're going to get in to in a second as IT relates specifically to harvard president clouding gay. So what I found really interesting about him is he's really like his for whatever reason. And maybe we can pass that at the moment. His perspective on israel palestine has shocked him out of the di discourse and he's become sort of like a crude or online against IT.
And he's using language that a is super reminisce to me of what like every working class White guy who accidently found himself on twitter ten years ago was saying and was being called as a total racist for um these are things like a hey, treating people differently because they are White is wrong or hey you know if you're black IT doesn't mean that when I criticize you or disagree with you it's because i'm racist or hey not everyone who disagrees with you as racist um and just it's amusing to me that this is a complete shift not only across uh the country but among the elites right this is a billionaire ah this is a this a blipper e who was installation I think from a lot of this and I guess there is their worth some thing spring you mentioned earlier that um he had donated some money to mosque for the twitter stuff. So there is a chance that know bill is one of these guys who just quietly all along really resented what he was seeing in a culture. But now, for whatever reason, feels like he, you know, needs to speak up. But generally, I mean, vive shift real, not at the companies. What do you think about that before we getting to the harvard stuff specifically?
Yeah I mean bill act instead was like a real al estate financier. And I think this is a trend with a lot of people who buy people specifically who went along with the D I stuff in the beginning, in back or all the first. Um it's you know they feel like they had an advantage um because they were why IT was actually just because they were like grow up age and while connected.
And so like now that the tables of sort of turned or whatever, um I guess we've some of the israel palace staff and um you know George, people are seeing is not a minority or like a press or close or whatever there um I guess like kind of be a good a bit of a taste of um what other people maybe we're feeling and I mean not true for everybody. I think there is something to be said about like people who grew up with a lot of like a wealth and privilege projecting that on to like all White people in a way that just doesn't actually make sense and that's why I like something like thirty or forty percent of White uh, students about the race. They feel like the deck is stacked against them because they are right.
right? They definitely or even if it's not stack could stack against sounds. I think there's less evidence that what I mean, maybe that's just what I observe to taking on the other side, which would be it's not maybe necessarily stack against anyone specific person is just there are all of these gifts if you are you happen to to be able to say, no, I am this is that race, whatever sort of popular uh, category exists but I guess I don't know, maybe that's just the same thing.
I guess I mean IT I but I I also I just I I agree generally that this seems to me to be um these were people who had never met a middle class person in their life um and probably have not met many black people in their life. And poor people tend to meet more black people and that is why poorest people tends not to understand when they are White and poor when people tell them they're privileged because they're in the same fucking places. And IT just doesn't make any sense.
I was thinking about this in the comics of my parents growing like my parents um I was really Young and that way less before I was born we were the my long Younger sister. I were the lucky ones um and by lucky and at that point my mom was a teacher and my dad was in construction and so we were letting high on the hog but we had my mom dad had four kids and then my unt and causing we're living in a house for a while one bathroom. IT was tight. There were Christmas is like all every Christmas parents working two jobs. That is something that I think like genuinely people like, I don't want to say people I don't want to beat on bill here, but I I think this is like rich White private school guy from new york just genuinely can't father and uh and maybe for people like him right now, and maybe I I see this a lot online right now, there are people who a have been that court has been pulled back on the the israel stuff uh what he thinks on geno yeah .
I mean I agree I think um I worry I have with some people like acmd and others who have called for cancellation list of students involved in uh propound time protests. Some of whom have said representative things that should probably get them, you know, get internship offers were scented and and things like that. But my worry is that some people who are having this, uh come to jesus moment where they're realizing that maybe we need to reevaluate the way we talk about these racial categories and discrimination and D E.
I and things like that are kind of moving toward a miro image of the cancel culture and insane racial quotas and discrimination that we've derided for the past three years that we've all suffered under because I think that at the end of the day, you know, I I i've seen I don't know I don't want to say anything specific about a bill because I haven't actually looked that closely, thinks he specifically said on twitter. But I have seen some people celebrating calls for like quotas for jew's students only to have certain jobs in that kind of thing. And IT just seems like, do we really want to just reinvent di from first principles, you know, in a different way.
Hey guys, takes for listening to the pie wires pod. Make sure you like, subscribe comment below and show us with your friends. Last week you have a uh hearing, a congressional hearing in which, you know, IT admits this antisemitic m this course is happening of the idea that college campus is are rife with genocidal speech targeting jews. Jewish students don't feel safe and what not there is a congressional iring to discuss this matter. Three university presidents are before congress to answer questions.
And um I mean a handful of clips of gone viral I would say the president sounded like I did, is another disagreement here on that um but certainly what they were doing was defending the they were to stealing what they were I think trying to do they were defending the right of students to descend politically I think is how they see IT and uh, the genocide de of speeches is always like, you know but how do you feel about uh, genocide speech targeting juice and IT would be like glast, not a lot. I think the cracks of this problem is a many people here, you know, from the river to the sea in palestine should be free as A A political idea that palettes should be maybe integrated into israel or something. Uh, many people who are the other side of this see that as literally a call for genocide and specifically targeting jews.
I think that those people I I understand where they're coming from. You have homos which you wrote that into their charter. I think you have planning of examples because Cherry pick right where at all these different propagation reales you see like the native flag and should like this. But if you were to separate the edges cases uh and and kind of talk about the issue, you know are you palestine or are you israel or somewhere in between, you kind of have to allow people to talk that out at some point and um and .
even if .
it's painless, is protected by the first amendment and are you a university that values that or not? Now where gets tRicky is they're not. I mean, this is for years we know that college campuses are not places where you're allowed to say whatever you want.
I mean, wait, less insane things have run out of college campuses. And clotting gay, specifically, the harvard president is under a lot of fire right now. Um brain, once you I know you're A A huge fan of hers, you were just defending her earlier, but SHE has a background in the speech placing stuff right so like maybe give me your cloudy gay take and and bring me through the .
apocrypha at all sure first soft clouding gay innocent that's the question. I don't think you .
should fired from her job to think the things that .
he was saying in the clips that I saw of the congressional testimony or correct IT is context dependent. If I met my shower singing river to the sea chance am I putting anybody in danger? The answers definitely know. So technically um she's right.
This type of speech is is context dependent and it's a noonan's ed question I think what stamps is the double standard that SHE applied to this speech as opposed to speech um during the last four, five years, for example, SHE SHE did not reappoint a the sky called ronal sollie an because students, because he represented harvey wind's stein. And her logic was students had a right to feel safe, right? So this seems to be almost indirect contradiction in a no bleak way.
Uh, is a lawyer. Imagine the idea that a lawyer, this is the lawyer you had A, A, A religious tenant of being a lawyer IT is that everybody is entitled to a defense.
yeah. And so students don't feel safe because this guy is he defended Harry weinstein. That seems a that seems at odds with her statement at the congressional testimony this data science professor David can invited uh Charles murray to speak um gay block that and then did not reappoint h David cann's contract which was seen as retaliation um for the invite so another problematic example that pretty damming in light over statements uh at the recent congressional testimony that he gave. And then finally, i'll say that um the organization fire ranks harvard dead last um at three .
at .
in its free speech rankings of all american universities. So under her tenure um is you know according to fire, harvard is not respected free speech at all so it's really, really rick to hear her saying this I would .
say is more about the student body of harvard. This is a student body that has no tolerance for free speech and when IT comes to you know, who's going to be allowed on campus and what not most of that is, that comes down to the students deciding. And most of the conservative censorship across the country has come down to students running people off of campus, not the administration in the gay case. That's crazy.
I didn't need to realized the the Charles murry thing um but you know IT is hard for me as someone who cares a lot about free speech as you I think everyone everyone I I say think I know everyone in here is that me we all talk about quite a lot IT is hard for me to want to see this woman I don't want to see this woman fired over her comments up about free speech being a good thing and should be defended on campus. It's just that she's a liar where what is IT cop between a rock and a hard place right now because yes, we have to defend the principle. I believe in the principal and yet I know that this person does not and so here we are like the idiots defending free speech constantly no matter what, even when our enemies, uh, our ideological enemies, are sort of in in the cross.
Here is right now. But the moment he gets back to the college campus, it's like all source of things that I value your care about are going to be sensors. So we're living in this totally asiedu space of this sort of asymmetry, this world, a metric, ideological warfare, where one set of ideas is unsafe and a and therefore censored, and one set of ideas, no matter how antisemitic, in my opinion.
Another disagreement there, but I think calling for war at all or violence against israel people at all could could certainly be interpreted along the same lines as a call for violence in the same way that Charles murray talking about IQ is seen as violent speech on the harvard campus. Like if we're living in a world where nothing there is considered, uh, unsafe, then it's you know we're living in a world of one party state style censorship. IT starts to harvard if then permeates the entire corporate world because harvard graduates run the entire country and uh, it's really bad.
That's how we got to where we are. So I do not really know to do here out of rooting for. I don't want her. I don't want people like this woman in power.
And yet I don't know how we I don't know how we alter culture in an environment where the rules are written so we always lose. So you know, the freedom oriented people are kind. There's no way that you can win in a situation like this, ever. I know have a lot thoughts on this.
Yeah um I was just because the way that even though IT is a privacy, it's kind of the same thing when you have her cancelling Charles murray or people trying to get her fired for saying the wrong thing in this meeting. IT is kind of in a sense the same thing.
It's like censorship or river bits proceeded in two different ways when you're doing IT on behalf of black people or spanners s or whatever it's proceed woke you're doing on behalf of jews. People are like, all the extremes are like that. That sa ball or whatever there's like.
There are these troops, unlike the far left and the far right about jewish power and you know, control over the media and White control over institutions and stuff. I think people need to be very careful with when they are making these like broad declarations to like shut people down. It's like people aren't going to perceive that even people who hated the work stuff on, you know say, the far right, they're going to perceive a little bit differently.
You know what I mean they're going perceived is what they're going to perceive as like these people this is like a jewish couple exercise the power and like, that's a really scary you know like you don't want, I feel like you don't. You run the risk of creating more anti sympathies. M, you do select this enemies like a study that always jewish people doing that. It's like, you know, Christian people like sort of, I guess, trying to defend juice, but doing IT in like such a heavy handed way that like two people who are easily influence could like be used as like somebody could point to that and be like looks see how they like three people who criticize and yeah I just see this.
if anything, as a moment in which is prevent beyond all doubt that the jews don't control the media. I mean, IT is completely not. The media is not on the side of of of of of israel right now and has not been since basically like october tenth, I would say. Is I wish they still .
dead the movies would be so much .
Better um yeah I thought on this well, I was just .
going to add a little bit of context .
for codding gay if we don't .
want her fire I mean, I don't actually have a strongly held opinion on whether or not she's to keep her job but if we don't want to fire her on the basis of defending free speech, which I do think ultimately is what was happening at that hearing and this fire has written some good, quite legally precise articles about what specifically and a call for for genocide um would disqualified as protected speech but that aside fire defended .
her over this or not sorry hatted in .
her fire has written about I don't if they have defended her explicit but y've written a good long tweet called why most calls for genocide the protected speech which I recommend people read uh they mention u pens president in IT but what was going to say is she's been cancelled because SHE IT was found by some scholars I think Chris roof o is involved in this.
I would be an apple ation .
for sure SHE that SHE played zed a big part of her uh, doctoral dissertation this one .
I think that he should go down for. And here is why I think that because she's not she's just sloppy and in idiot and incorrectly quoting things. It's like it's clear to me by reading through that he was not trying to pass off somebody else is work as rone. She's just not very good and that is kind of either the mistakes that he made. However, people at harvard lose their spot the school for similar behaviour.
And why is this woman getting a free pass for what is in academia with a, with the safe spaces? Should these are these are like fundamentalist positions that they hold dear to their heart? And and why is SHE, you know, escaping from both of them? And I think it's pretty obvious SHE represents a lot to the people on me very far lap.
This is why many of times can help their falling over themselves to defend this woman. SHE can go down because I think she's seen right now as a representative almost in some sort of totemic way of the entire D E I order. And if he goes down, that's the end of the whole system and SHE hasn't got down.
So you know for all my talk of the vibe shift, IT isn't shifted all the way and these people still control um you know the D I fundamentalists still controls every file of institutional power the country. There's a little quiet right now because they know that there's a risk associated with this. Tell me about her cousin.
Her cousin is rocks and gay.
It's crazy. So for people who don't know who rocks and gay is sina.
rocks and gay is Brandon, how do you describe her? She's the shy, sort of a leg .
SHE kind of Carried to term the toxic brand of feminism that exploded around twenty sixteen and became sort of the foundational knowledge for a lot of, in my opinion, a theory .
around .
microage gressier being violent and other in kind of examples of that sort.
I know of that you're in a fat studies class in what you, but I had a friend who was, like, desperately trying to get to sill of those .
when I work to one SHE half ed on my radar when SHE said, nope. Didn't say ask a question, just asking questions is uh a drag just woman face you know black face for woman so is a male drag queen uh doing black face basically um and this was that the height of the a race and gender sensitivity so he was wrongly celebrated for that comment which I think is just I mean I can talk about and we have river the just I know that we can talk about drug ship for the next three hours um the full circle that's what like feminists .
were saying like and like those seventies and should is that like you're mocking woman and it's like, yeah but it's phony.
What I think is more complicated that I think that I think that a lot of I think that you have a lot of Young gay guys who are called a woman their whole life into girly, into a feminine and what not and that just build some kind of weird idea up in their head and um sort of embracing that like a superhero and laughing at IT is not about women at all. I don't think it's ever been about women. I think it's about gaming.
And that's what the broader er thing here that he is so knowing is when sub cultures get this giant mainstream spotlight on them and then people don't really understand what's going on, they don't have the context to sort of get IT. And I made judge say crazy should about IT. Yes, there are some people who are, you know massagers and awful and making fun of women but for the most part I think it's something deeper and a cathartic and funny and shut the fuck up. Leave us alone.
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is IT I gender agree? I mean, like it's like it's both like a sol region of women in the world. So kind of poking fun at the m it's like you ve you're like dressy of his dollar part that you just make like the best like four sizes bigger.
So it's like I don't know what like IT is like kind of a caricature but like it's harmless and I don't think you find any drag going that weak actually truly hates what um I mean the most of time the guys who were like doing drag, they are like the type of cake as who like mostly have female friends work. They're like like hair style is they really like whatever for they're like day job. They like working these like very like female dominated industries.
And I don't think it's like it's just like having it's just fun. It's just yeah also, Polly said I was like a resurrection of like pggm cold or like guys just stood like castrate themselves and like drives up like that got us or whatever. So could be that .
now I never that it's never dish this. People, the electricians, ation, I mean, poggio, go off. But IT, that's not correct. This is something, but it's great.
a great one, which is a great case.
A guy in a wig is just a guy in a week and that's fine is kind of my rough thought about that. The first men is not really what we're talking about here. You know the first woman has nothing to do with what happens on my college campus.
All of this speech, including I think I including genocidal speech um unless you is I like you can say something horrific like I am in favor of this thing that you're actually calling for violence in the states. There's some nearly shit that you're allowed to say. The question is what allowed to be set on my college campus where and this I saw was washing the view because I hate myself the other day.
And um Sunny hostin was she's a huge pro palsy person um and he has been none together women are which has been interesting to watch um strange divide on the left and Sunny was sort of back into a corner where he could just kept saying, you know this to be protect IT under the first a memory this is the opposite of what she's been saying throughout over the last five years like yes, it's protected that what she's been saying over the last five years um was actually correct, which is that yes, it's protected under the first amount. But we're not talking about the first women on a platform like twitter or on a college campus that is owned by people who make rules on private property. And that's okay.
They can make whatever rules they want. The question in comics of twitter, i'd never thought that that was, uh, a violation of the first amendment not allowing writing people to speak on twitter. My my question was like, maybe what is the world look like where a couple of few olaga speech platforms control the entire flow information and they make illegal half of the thought in the country? That seems pretty early.
Our founding father certainly didn't see IT coming and certainly the principle that they were trying to protect um with the first women is known violation. And this kind of like more corporate rates kind of world is more complicated. Um I don't think on this college campus is quite so complicated as a major platform like twitter um or facebook. I think it's a little bit less complicated. In fact, the college campus can do I think, pretty much whatever IT wants when IT comes to speech policy provided is a private university and uh in this case IT sounds like the policy is um you know playing with gentle speech where uh israel concerned a OK and um making a large person feel uncomfortable after the uh incredibly horrific opinion that morbid obesity is unhealthy that is not okay um final thoughts .
yeah I mean IT all this goes back to uh what title nine is one of the one of the titles that basically seven, seven, seven um yeah title names the sports thing ah yeah title seven is uh is is that you can create a hostel environment basically and that was in response to the integration of schools in the southwest. You know, White people would like threaten black people's lives.
That's not what happening and it's become now, university said they're just taking this this very subjective approach to what is harassment. And I think IT would be Better if the laws were amended actually to specify what that entails because it's a very vague in the language. So that's why the universities can get away with sort of picking and choosing um what's deemed like to create IT in unsafe for like hostile environment because it's subjective. I mean, I could find something I could feel threatened by someone using a homophily ler um and you couldn't or what IT does that make sense there?
Yeah I mean, I would prefer that is a boss to law completely and leave IT up to these schools to decide um you know it's my law. I can say who is on IT and who is not and I don't really see a problem with that provided university.
I think the broader thing is like these universities are hopeful for radical ism and humidity and the entire system that we built in america, where every Young person in the country is expected to go to an a doctor camp so they can get a desk job for thirty thousand dollars a year with two hundred thousand dollars student loan. That is crazy. You going to turn that down.
That system, the system, not the college, is seriously, I might have been making a joke right now. Um the system needs to come down. That's crazy.
Most of these colleagues should not even exist, and me, I colleagues can exist. But whatever, they'll become irrelevant if they keep up with with this kind of stuff. And then especially with. The relaxation of their are academic standards because what is harvard going to mean in twenty years if it's like a lottery to get in and after you leave, you're a crazy person, not something that I care about.
I never used to ask people where they went to school, but I might have to start before I hire them, you know, just to make sure that I might accidently hire anybody from harvard. Uh, it's the holiday season and the Christmas season around these parts. I want to talk about that a little bit.
A I want to talk about this very funny article that came out. Christmas parties are, I mean, obviously the more warn Christmas is great, it's like warm Christmas is the O G culture war issue. I used to uh as a kid um when my grandma was still with us, uh he was obsessed with fox news and um he was always talking about the war on Christmas.
I was like the big born back in the day I was they're trying to take Christmas from you and I was very you know when I go to the card um I say merry Christmas whether or not they say happy holidays and this is something that I have never cared about um at all IT is Christmas for me I say Christmas but like I might offended when someone says, um uh happy holidays or whatever. It's like a weird thing to care about. I think I guess there is make this arguments, this is a high level more on Christians happening and we could talk about that other day, bring some experts to discuss IT.
But in the context of workplace holidays, um we went from Christmas party to holiday party that is being stripped away as well. Now IT is like every sembLance of uh of the Christmas spirit has to be, I guess just deleted and far more problematically for me. And this has been a trend for a handful of years now in tech.
No more booze at Christmas parties, which is, I think it's immoral. I think IT is disGraceful. I want no part of that in this country, in the twenty twenty three in america.
How dare you take away my like, drunken, inappropriate this at my workplace Christmas parties, fucking crazy. The quote included things like instead we were doing wala oi and pick ball. It's like we kids are already not having sex. That's the trend, right? Like are we wondering why really when we're talking about things like pickle ball at the workplace, Christmas party is just uh, a complete disGrace.
I don't know. Think about that. Quarmby is not a Christmas food and there are Christless foods like it's like Green.
And so far.
no, I yes, that's true. I wonder you. I can only be a Christ's food if you like, make IT look like a rain or something like a put pressures baby, feel like and lurs at the top and be olives like for the eyes.
I mean, ideas. They don't want you to be a Christmas food. You know, they want, you know, they want to break your spirit. They want you demoralized and liable, so they can just force you to the corporate machine like sausage meat. And out you come a neutered blue hair yes, men who I .
feeling everybody celebrates Christmas accept her I think I guess juice don't but you could you could just do a ah you get so do the holiday party and just like Adams or whatever, because I feel even people who aren't Christians like my boss are my mom, uh, work for a indian doctor to tole wife and the hindu u and they celebrate Christmas because like Better quality is fun. I I don't I don't know, like IT seems like everybody who except I guess for like you who don't do for religious reasons, seem to celebrate. I've even seem like everything like some muzzle s kind of do like, I guess like a cyclical version of that, like this exchange to get some stuff heard of.
It's already, as I always to say this, and I would get in trouble for this with some of my jewish ds, I feel it's already a secular holiday like it's the Christmas tree is not in the bible. What do you think we're celebrating here? Sync clicks.
That's nothing to do with jesus Christ. And this is actually, I grew up you going to church service in every single year they would sit us down and tell us about the true meaning of Christmas and jesus cries being born in all of this bullshit. And it's like and they really like it's not sanctions use.
That's not really Christmas. And and then I get out in the real world and the lives are telling me that that sana laws is representative. Jesus cries.
It's not true. It's a paca holiday. Let me have IT. Let us have, let amErica have a pagan holiday.
We have all that, what is on the dollar bill, all of all those, all that symbology from like three mains and shit like that's baked into that is american as a courtisanes, paganism as american as apple pie. I think that we need to be allowed to have these things in a Christmas. I especially like, I mean, that we got to do IT.
We got to have we need A A pressure release. I will say if you wanted to switch IT up. I worked the penguin books at the earliest part of my career fifteen years ago.
And um instead of Christmas, there will be no end of the year celebration, but there will be a company wide halloween party, which was fire. I will say that was absolutely incredible. Every people hot boxing.
The elevators is like a corporate building down on the way side of manhattan. Um uh, everyone would decorate. IT was like, I remember, were just being totally obliterated, dancing on a death with a couple of giant hot dogs. IT was like a very crazy real experience. I loved IT. I I am open to that if you wanted to kind of switch IT up and do a different a different time of year or something um but the main I think the important thing is that we've got to have a time for all of us to get together in um yeah yes and .
I think I should be Christmas because then you can like I don't know. Like you just seem so classic oh like you get drunk and you have to do the secret, say anything and you're like what do I buy like share from actually no so you just get like an an anthropology can do because it's expensive, needs us IT seems nice. And then do you like ask your black for work really like k kisha.
I was quanta. She's like less quantity. And you just like you just go on .
tell me about what you ever just wrote, a peace on quanta. Uh, IT was titled abolish quanta river. Tell me why you want to abolish quanta? Take me first of all.
what is quanta really gRandall but I did the world. But yeah yeah, so quanta is is it's a fake holidayγ Like there's really like, no other way to put IT.
IT was invited in the nineteen sixties by this radical black activists. N, L, A named wrong. choring. A who ran an orange zone called us, just us, said, some people I did like you to slave is actually not just us.
And this organization story of office, this kind of weird saying where they are learning while healing in doing krai and IT very quickly uh turned into a psychotic culture, personal ing can they literally went to war with the black fathers. They were they funded and they were fund the uh us oranienburg IT was small and weird and focus on like concentrate in a way the FBI and the L A P D. Working the other at the time, basically where the thing was, essentially we're going to use our organization to fuck with the black answers.
And so they were giving them arms. They were giving them like intelligence. His downfall was that he kidnap and be a two of his female followers who he thought we're betraying into the black panthers forced to church.
IT down their mouse, beat them with rods, uh, and sorry, electrical cords, uh, burn them with my hot irons. He is just tortured, this woman. And he got since of prison and when where he discovered the .
true minting of quanta, right?
Um no, no. What actually invented quanta earlier? Because he hate a Christmas and he was like, why do you want to be washing the blood of the dead? He also didn't care you.
Uh but he said he went to prison and then he came out, became a professor at university of california, long beach where he's now the chair, the africana studies department and his sort of rehabilitation um pave the way for quanta, which he had that IT really is good, the completely manufacturer sort of multi cultural m but it's the sort of thing that people likely they really like. Bill clinton, IT was the first first until I officially recognize IT and he said it's word in ancient african traditions, which is literally not. It's based on six principles that are also the principles of the us.
organization. Uh, it's all just like in swaha words that this guide taught himself and is based on like based just based on the idea of a harvest festival which you said was uh drawn from various different african culture. Most of film like people if you're not descended problem um well .
in fact it's it's cultures that the slave traders were descended from.
Yeah it's okay .
this right this is um endlessly fascinating to me I think to back up one moment, we keeps saying, you know, most black people in amErica don't sell their quality. Almost no black up on amErica alberca. Black americans are Christian, like more Christian than the average White person. They celebrate Christmas is crazy. This is like the problem we have.
You have one very extreme extreme group of people who are talking about this in you know in in in in the in in favor of IT um and then you have a lot of White people care clue who just don't know any black people I guess because if they knew even one, they would know that this is not a holiday that anybody celebrates. It's so crazy. But what IT is is is now on our U.
S. stamps. And and I think that is I was really I just very good has .
been since the nine days they keep her releasing new ones.
You have the united states government legitimizing a holiday that exists for one reason, and that is to drive a wedge between White and black americans. Because the common faith is a very powerful bond between people. And the fact that we all celebrate Christmas at the end of the day, means something very good for race relations in the country. And if you are really, really interested in driving a wage between those relations, what you need to do is go after Christianity, which is why so many the black panthers, I think, found, uh, muhammad and became muslim as writing like the muslim piece of black nationalism is so important but kind of you cover that another day and certainly I think why wrong cargo, who is an anti Christian? Is going after this is this this is this is what I mean it's an actual war on Christmas rather than the fake one and um I mean, he's losing it's all kind of goofy IT seems almost weird to be mad about IT uh but it's the legitimizing the fact that the government is legitimizing IT does mean it's important to me I mean, is a new quantity stamp coming out.
What is that in twenty twenty four? Yeah it's also just insane that this guys it's insane that someone who beat in torture women is a tenure professor like that's kind of crazy and of itself.
How did he survive? Me too. No one survived me too.
Ten year I can. Or everybody was just a freak because, I mean, he's like he's a sacred sort of figure in the black activist world because he uh I guess we cast themselves as somebody who is just interested uh panic, african ism and you know uh resurrecting black culture because he thought that the culture of White people uh, in the that says is actually actually just White culture, which is not true.
There's like a lot of traditions, a lot of like if you look at like A V like in the self, like the dialect and stuff, there's like influence. And there's a great like interchange of culture between black and Whites in the south, where most of people live until a great migration. And you see that even and like the food and a certain White costumes and stuff like a lot of uh, in black wedding, for instance, uh, people will uh sometimes like do the missing really jump over a broom and pretty much only black people do IT now.
But it's actually a tradition from northern england that poor White brought over. And in the early colonial era, when you got like indirect servants and black people basically living together the same quarters, they pass addition to White people. And then why people can't forgot about this. So there's just like it's this very like complex like interchange sort of black and and White culture that created something unique. Like you created country music, jazz, uh, blues, like all kinds of amazing like things for american culture that could not exist in africa, that could exist in england or scotland, but they could exist in the american south and I I think that's that kind of interesting and beautiful but you .
know anyway yeah the size point I found the .
quality that .
is respectful yeah um any thoughts on quanta guys, what will you be .
doing .
for quana this year? Well, I just remember I I don't have a any experience with quanta guess like most people but I do remember being a kid uh and being taught I guess in elementary school that like there were three major holidays around december and IT was Christmas honea in quana. And I remember vividly that everyone sort of knew what Christmas and honeywell and corsa was.
This underfed third that people know exists. Everyone, everybody knows the word. They know that there is candles involved. But I think that if you ask most americans, it's like this weird third undefined gender almost.
So yeah, it's crazy. I do remember this as well as a kid well and that was doubt. Remember like the early nineties um knowing about quanta in this way, even seeing like uh quantz a minora which is just a knock off actual ora on TV uh with the red and Green candles and he is very confusing for a kid to see that because it's framed as a black holiday um and IT is not a minis, just a radical political holiday and a IT is yes it's it's weird the things that we're taught that are just not true even yes.
absorbing IT from the media but not I think ironically because it's previously now I think there's serve tampering IT down. They're just I guess just about like you but origin this must be this super radical thing but the only people who celebrate now are black. It's it's like activity like called professors and and people like that. It's not actually any working class by people who might actually have real problems. You know I am .
surprised IT has not really taken off over the last few years, to be honest. Um IT seems like something that you could be very useful um in the middle of you know the twenty two, twenty twenty one cultural race wars where everybody was limping just the end of the world and yet it's just maybe there's something is so fundamentally cloudy ish about the history that no one really wants to embrace IT.
Ah I think it's because in a lot of ways black families and White some families are similar and IT is just I think it's a lot of uh even like the super world people who like professors now or whatever is actually come from like a working even like middle class background.
They were like, mike, grandma is gonna free counties like why do you make jesus like it's going to be like that sort of things so they are just lying and maybe, maybe, maybe I do that. I do that. Do why?
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