S14 E13: WCN Presents: [Kaylan & Melissa] SWW S14 Updates // Part 1
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Season fourteen of something was wrong began erring on october twenty of two thousand twenty two, and the last episode aired on january third twenty twenty three. The season highlighted the narratives of kin, millia and sera, and they are very toxic, abusive relationships with the mayor named jack, as well as the abuse their children faced at his hands.

As the season progressed, IT included several accounts from other victims and acquittals of jack as well. Jake continue to leverage his professional connections in the media to add validity to his dating presence and in turn victimized over forty women in and around the seattle area on december thirteenth twenty twenty two. The guests of season fourteen also participated and say something was wrong live event with tifany, on which they discuss the impact of the season and answered some listener's questions.

One week later, a petition was created to call for jake to face criminal accountability. And despite the fact that less than a year has passed since its release, quite a lot has happens since the broken cycle. Media team is so grateful for canon, Melissa and sirs involvement as well as the rest of the guest and season fourteen and the impact their sharing has made. We are also grateful to host this conversation with in in Melissa about all that come next since season fourteen has aired.

Hey, this is killing. As far as my story goes, IT starts two thousand seven and go through my relationship with jake and the six years of emotional YSL, sexual financial abuse that he put me through. I knew that he had recorded as having sex, and he was using IT as black meal with me and sending IT to me and saying, like, oh, this is all I watch.

When i'd asked him several times, please leave that sometimes there was videos s i'd never seen before. And I know that with millia, the same thing happened. And then finding out that he cheated on me with forty plus women, including Melissa, he ended up getting pregnant.

And the journey dealing with washington and california court systems, and how difficult IT is to protect your kids from abusers. I know that we started all of this and decided to go on the podcast in hopes to slow down jake. Our collective stories started with one of jack victims creating the instagram account that included his.

Our hope is that if somebody was searching on social media, that this other account on instagram would come up, and then they are warned, where is now? If you search his name on mine, they are warned you can look his name up without seeing all of this information. And that really was the goal.

as klin, that I dated jake actually, for not very long, my whole timely with him on a romantic level was only a few months, but dealing with the family court system and all of the abuse that went on with that, there was a lot to IT. I think a common miss conception with our season was that we started out with the goal of trying to have jake run in jail. That wasn't our purpose.

We started just sharing our stories, hoping that we could dump IT on that instagram and leave IT. And if anybody google him, they would find that information. And that would be there.

IT wasn't something that we even ever planned on continuing. IT just morphed as more women came forward. We started to understand that there was a lot worse than what we had even expected or thought. So the mission of all of IT had changed over the month as we realized that he was definitely doing a lot worse stuff than we imagine that he had been doing for all of those years where we didn't have contact .

with him ten years go by, and we're hearing from these other women that he's doing the same thing. I think that went around forty women came forward on instagram is when we really felt like this was a bigger erst story that we needed to share. He was traveling outside of the country, and so we were worried that there were women all over the place at that point.

We had an obligation to say something to protect women because he was clearly not slowing. We were under the impression that things had gotten worse because there were times where he was seeing several women at the time. There was an urgency there to speak out because I do think that this is something that he is continually doing and if he deleted everything because of this podcast and amazing, I do not want him having videos of me and or any of the other women that he's been involved with. I just want to make that clear because I think other people have said like, oh, now he's gonna delete everything and it's like, well, that's a good thing in my mind.

I first became aware of the story via the instagram. The account had added me and tagged me. I started watching the post, and I started to see in real time women coming forward, sharing their stories, and was, like everyone else, extremely disturbed by their encounters and experiences with this person.

I think to kill a malicious point, this person has not only shown a pattern of predatory, gave your four decades at this point now, he also didn't even care when he was called out by this instagram account, and so many people within the area seeing that he still was so involved to continue. And I think that really speaks to his profile as a human being. And I think that with certain abusers, it's very evident by their pattern of behavior displayed through multiple and years and years of abuse when people are a danger to the public eyes believe that jake graf bra is a danger to the public to this day.

I think he has very little empathy, if any at all, for other people, and he has no impulse control, and he is dishonest. And I could go on forever. So for me, I was instantly curious about story, and also just proud from a distance that these survivors were coming together and taking back into their hands a little bit of justice and accountability towards this person.

I then connected via messenger or somewhere on instagram, and was told that a submission had been made through the website. So I went there and we set up a zoom per interview. In the rest is history.

As they say, this was the first season where we were really breaking a story that hasn't been covered in the public previously. So legally, there is a lot more implications and risk for the show. And so IT felt like a really big decision to make.

But ultimately, when I had heard and learned about what had happened to the children, my main concern became, well, this individual date, someone with children in the future, of course, his filming women and all of his other horrific things that he has done. Our mind blowing, but this needs to be done. We need to learn.

The public, the survivors, provided an insane amount of proof, also was what made IT possible to actually use this person's real name. The survivors, when I met with them, they had already collected the stories of forty plus women. They were already having to create timeline ines and document things due to their own legal battles and legal abuse that theyll have to continue to deal with.

And so IT was because of their work and their diligence, honestly, that we were able to create the season at all and warn the public. And to their point, they didn't come to me and say, Tiffany, we want you to go to seattle, P. D, and get this guy arrested.

IT was after we had recorded, and after we learned everything that we learned throughout the season, and how much evidence the survivors and I then collected, how many interviews were done. IT was the most interviews i've probably ever done for any season. The amount of coordinating evidence was profound.

So we thought, here you go, S, P, D. And we're going to give you notice, which is honestly a risk as a journalist to do that, because then you have to worry about a gag order being placed on you. But again, we wanted that justice for the victims.

We hoped that they would do the right thing, that they would act right away. They could get a search one. They would get his computers and hard drives and electronic devices, which does happen, by the way, for some victims when they have the support of law force ment.

I had just spoken with victims who had gotten that type of justice. Part of the process was reaching out to seattle police department weeks leading up to the season starting and throughout the season, with no reply. Wilky at the stranger, whose amazing had been sent the podcast by a listener and had reached out.

He was fantastic to work with. He spoke with the survivors who used their time and energy to help brothers and spoke with him too. He went to S, P, D, and they finally return my phone call.

What I recall about that phone conversation that I had was I was very angry and questioning the officer about what took them so long and how ridiculous IT is that the survivors and I have basically done their job for. SHE didn't say much, essentially said they were gna return people's phone calls. Now he had reached out to kalin at that point. But what will casey at the stranger communicated with me was that they have done an article earlier on the subject of seattle pd.

according to the seattle times article, Tiffany references, quote, seattle police is sexual assault and child abuse unit staff has been so deepley that IT stopped assigning to detectives this year new cases with adult victims according to an internal memo to interm police chief Adrian as and April and quote.

we also learned through this process that this entire city of seattle had at the time one victim advocate that was expected to support the entire city of seattle survivors, which is just insane. It's very perplexing and it's very disarming. And honestly, that made me feel bad that this is the actual reality and made me not even want to put that out there into the universe.

Granted, I learned that information after the finally, but even putting IT out now in this episode is making my heart race. But it's also the reality of the situation that even with all the evidence, all the bravery, all the time, energy, everything is just like sorry. And that's a really uncomfortable truth.

The life was december thirteen. We had the alive, and we had named got to the l mari episode the day that we recorded the live. I was on the film with a mary, all because .

jake often used his link to the media to add validity to his persona. His job as a photographer was relevant throughout season fourteen. Oh, mary was the owner of the media company that jake was employed by, that Tiffany any also reached out to. Allegedly, they had cut ties with jake, but we have reason to believe that he was still being employed by converge media.

That's only reason. I remember that that episode was the episode that would be going out of next week. That was episode, I think, ten. So we still had two or three episodes that air after the live.

That's because people kept coming forward .

yeah and then mari waited till the day of the live to answer my emails because we hadn't mentioned converge yet. Certain people had in responded to comment and I also waited quite a bit. Then jake pulled the legal shit. That's why we added the episode too, because bright after the alive, I remember us being on the.

he was really mad about the life. He was less so mad.

He didn't want us doing the alive.

And then the season actually stopped airing the last week of the year.

Before we get to the update, I do wanna touch a little bit on the release of the season. How did that feel to be able to listen back to your experiences? Was a healing .

IT was a lot of mixed feelings hearing at all back. It's so easy for me to be really hard on myself and feel like I was in adia and listening to IT. I think I had to forgive myself during IT.

My husband is hearing some of the stuff for the first time, and my parents and people that know me from where I live now, or hearing this for the first, first time, I think that it's hard to hear IT back. I can steal the red flags now, and I can see everything telling my story now. But when you are going through IT, when there's limited on the internet sixteen years ago, we didn't have all beats like gas lighting.

I'd never heard of that. I'd never heard of regulation. I felt like I was being financially abused while I was happening, but I didn't even know that that was really a term IT just felt like he's fucking ruin my life.

He's making the impossible for unity care of my kid barely scraping by. I had trouble buying food. Why doesn't he see that this is a shared responsibility? IT definitely was one of those things where I felt like I needed to hang onto IT for some reason, and I don't feel that anymore. So that definitely, I feel like, is the biggest positive to come out from the cast. I got my life back. If that makes us IT felt like I had been lifted and I didn't have to hold IT anymore because I think I was hanging in on to some of IT so that I could maybe not tell emerson one day, but so I could try to explain to her why her dad wasn't involved in her life. So IT was pretty stressful, overwhelming, kind of, in a good way.

was incredibly healing, I think, to share my story. But IT was a lot, I think, for both of us. That was the first time that we had really ever SAT down and told the story in full start to finish like that.

I know for me listening back, it's like really hard to hear. I get why people are frustrated listening to IT. I'm frustrated listening back to IT.

But you talk about hindsight. Red flags and a cycle of abuse obviously looks different with hindsight that IT does in the moment. Even when we're telling IT back, we're laying IT out and telling this is what happened.

Obviously, I know where the red flags I missed or i'm telling you all of them IT would have been much easier for either of us to just leave some of that stuff out. And we chose not to. We tried to tell our stories, the good, the bad, the ugly, everything in between.

IT would have been easier to sugar coat some of IT. So we didn't feel like, yeah, I believed him when he told me this, or I went back after he done this. I think probably anybody that has existed with an an abusive relationship can relate to that on some level.

I mean, there's a reason why IT takes an average of seven times is for someone to leave like killin. A lot of my family, a lot of my friends, they had never heard some of this stuff. I think the number one thing more than anything else, was guilt and shame of all of IT kept both of IT for so long.

So being able to just owe IT all and send out loud where we had felt silence, you're taking that power back. That sense IT was really healing. You're able to put IT out there and release IT.

I think when you say things out loud or when you tell IT as a whole, you look at IT little bit differently because we can now pin point like exactly where we should have left things, that we're obvious red flags, that we wish that we would have known mistakes that we made for some reason, even when you know all the information, when it's all put together the way to you and you put IT together, it's just so impacted. IT was heavy though. IT was a lot.

My heart just broke week after week. Hearing everyone stories is side by side. And being able to pick out the parts of other people stories that I related with the way that they felt at certain points, and just remembering what that felt like, what the confusion felt like, the loneliness in the isolation and feeling like this is never going to get Better when you're in that fog and you can see past IT, you can't really trust yourself.

You've lost all sense of yourself. You've lost your sense of confidence in your own judgment. You can even tell what is upper down or left write anymore. That's so disorienting to live in the space. I remember what IT feels like.

So when I hear other people talking about IT makes me really sad, but i'm just really thankful that we're all in such Better places and we've healed and we've grown. There's not one person that participated in the podcast that I feel isn't light years Better of a person for what we've all gone through. We've all grown so much. I think that just really speaks volumes about the type of women they all are.

With all of our recording, we recorded twenty four hours worth of stuff. There were times where i'm jumping around or we're talking and then I like, oh, I totally forgot, got to tell you that let me tell you about that story. I think I thought, oh yeah, I can just shoot off the cuff and it'll be fine.

I learned very quickly when you're telling things that have happened like eleven to sixteen years ago. It's hard to always member everything or stay in line. I wish I had a diary during that time because I think that tomato an easier.

It's so much to encompass, right? And to your point, it's like years in, years before. So sometimes he comes back to you while you're talking. My personal favourite part of the holidays is finding special guest for all my loved ones.

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I think, too, because I have such a weird name that maybe i'm easier to find on social media, but i've had several messages from people going through something similar and asking for guidance, which I like document everything. That's my biggest, like I would tattoo IT on me seriously. That's the best thing you can do for yourself when you're going through something like this.

The other thing, I had people reach out and say, my sister or my friend is in a similar situation as you or I think he is. And what should I do and how do I approach? I obviously don't have all the answers, so I am always like, well, if that were me, I would like you coming to me and saying, hey, i'm here for you no matter what, no judgment.

I'm here. You don't have to tell me what's going on, but no, that i'm a safe place. And if you need a place to stay, no questions asked, you come to my house. I don't care what time IT is. Give a place to stay.

Now maybe that person isn't willing to do that, but I do think that the people that were close to mean knew how that he was and they didn't know how to help me. I think if they just said you don't have to tell me because I wasn't ready to share IT all and just knowing that I would have a safe place to go to, I think that things would have been a lot different. I had people telling me about their stories that they've never told anyone.

I get never telling anyone because I was always so afraid to telling one. I just cut all my friends off in seattle for the most part, and left because the people that I knew with him, I was afraid to tell. Since then, David choked to me and apologize for not hearing me when I did try to tell them was a husband in life that I was pretty close with, that jake was also really close with.

I considered them family when I lived in seattle. They all were like, I don't want to hear IT. And since the podcast came out, if have all come to me and said, well, i'm so sorry.

Thank you for sharing your story and giving me support and love. It's so cool to not have to tell everyone of them individually how terrible things were. I'm glad that they listened, and they gave us all a chance to tell what we went through with jake.

They allow their perception to change. They listen with an open mind, and IT meant everything to me. I learned so much from listening to other people and talking with other people. We had so much support. Of course, there's a handful of people that are same shit, like when people are wondering, oh, why did you see if this was happening? I would have just like and go there with blood money.

But a lot of IT is that they either heard IT wrong, or they didn't fully understand, or they don't understand how the court system works, or they don't understand abuse because they've never gone through anything like that before being able to try to clear up some stuff. I felt like I was helpful and not helpful. I arty was so hard on myself, hearing at all nothing anybody could say to me would have really hurt my feelings.

The only time where I would get up set is when they were saying stuff about millions. A it's hard when you feel like people are judging your every move under a microscope, and i'm judging my every move. I'm gonna my biggest critic and think, how did you not feel this? Especially when I playing IT out so clear, IT makes IT hard.

But I do think I probably should have gone a little bit deeper into the court systems and how difficult IT is to protect your child. But I also think that sometimes people listening, maybe not always for the right reasons, like, oh, let me see this train rack. But we definitely are hoping that education pieces there, I still think that there is so much we don't know about this type of abuse. The court systems haven't even cut up with IT. How can we expect listeners to be there?

There are so many hard conversations that need to be had to be able to grow and understand things. I think it's just a product of media in general. People tend to sometimes forget that we're real people.

The voices that you're hearing are real people. So the opinions that you're having about someone's choices or someone's life and you're posting them on the internet, you're talking about someone's actual life. Obviously, you're always going to have the people that are just there for the purpose of being cruel.

We know from our season that one of those people that was on there being cruel was most likely, jake, because he had screen shots of everything and there were a couple of pretty sketchy accounts. I think our journey with participating in the online discussion at the very beginning, it's really hard to not get defensive. And I think we had to get over that really quickly.

But once we actually settled in and tried to like understand what people were saying and what the conversation was, we learned so much in that process. There had been someone that had posted, why would kale not just have the custody removed when he sent, ever sent back with a 3 burn and ate all her life？ We were just like, that's not how that works.

When there's a parenting plan, you have to follow IT. This person finally had wrote back and said, oh, i'm not apparent. I'm not from the U. S. So you start to understand that they form an opinion on IT or they don't listen carefully and then they fill in the blanks of what .

they didn't as the season is coming out. We're like getting emails and they like I work with jake and he just started at my job now i'm breaking out and he's trying to go by Jacob like that's onna make things people aren't going to know it's him kelan started off by saying that their mission was really to spread awareness and warn the public about this person they have been so successful in that I think it's credible. The awareness that was able to be spread through the show and literally protect the women of seattle.

I just want to add something to that. One thing that I was really shocked that was how far the reach of the podcasting, as i've had at least three friends that have contacted me. These are people that live in seattle.

They know me, but they had random relatives or friends from the east coast. One was in europe, one was in hawaii. They had listened to the podcast and knew that this person, their family member or their friend, lived in seattle.

And they sent them the podcast like, oh my god, look for this guy. They contacted me like, how crazy is that? So they ended up telling those people like, oh, I actually know Melissa. I know kan.

We had so many stories like that, how many people have heard the story and how many people have seen the information? And the evidence at this point is so far beyond anything that we ever could have imagined. At the beginning, we were hoping that we could just born the women in seattle.

And then I became more and more evident that he's traveling. He got upwards of, I think the most that we counted at one time was like eleven or twelve women overlapped in different states. He's all over the place, and he's traveling now out of the country because he has his passport. We had no clue how many victims there could be all over the place. The fact that we were able to get IT outside of even the pacific northwest, but make a worldwide, is absolutely insane to me.

Somebody sent IT to my husband and was like, do we know this fucking because he lived in washington for quite a while. And so people average shouted to him like knowing that i'm his wife and not knowing and saying, what are we going to do about this guy? He's like, nothing. We're gonna nothing like, yes, that is the correct answer. We are going to do nothing.

I definitely got to a point towards to the end of the season I was just like emotionally spent with all of IT. I was drained from talking about all of .

IT the court stuff going on, the omari stuff that was happening at the end. Then we're adding episode s there were so many balls in the air at the end. You guys, your study bumpers .

in the last weeks. And even right after we were done, we were getting messages from multiple people that have listened to the podcast and figured out that, oh my gosh, this, this is my friend, boyfriend.

In regards to jake s. Girlfriends, family and friends, reaching out IT was from a place of concern. I think that we spend a lot of time worried about her, about her son.

We do think we talk to her yet those other accounts, but we never reached talk to her. I hope he listened, even though he's told her that we are all lying. I can't imagine how chAllenging things. Seven.

we're getting all of this information coming in to the point where we all needed A D talk calling. And I talked about towards the into the season we were like barely speaking IT wasn't out of anything other than we were just drained. We didn't early have a lot left in the tank because there was to so many different things being piled on in every direction. We just needed time to recharge. So it's been good to be able to step away from IT and focus on things other than jake.

With the release of the podcast and with some distance between a molester, I have definitely had time to get back to our regular conversations that don't include jake. So that's the nice to have each other back in our lives. But without taking the middle of that conversation.

it's been nice to get back to Normal life without talking about trauma everyday because our relationship and our friendships have not actually been based on him. He would only come up in conversation when something happened or we needed bounce things off each other if there was court hearings or anything along those lines. It's nice for our friendship to get back to the regular stuff.

We can just focus on our girls and focus on being there for each other. Also, all the other women that we've met along the way, we've gotten to get to know them more on a personal level as opposed to just through the podcast or through the instagram page. We were able to spend time with a few of them in seattle go out for drinks or dinner. So it's been really nice to get to see some of those women outside of the podcast and talking about all of this really heavy stuff, just hearing about their lives and what they're doing them going to school are their jobs or their families. And that's just been probably the best part of the last couple months, the new friendships and all the positivity that come from IT.

I feel like there are so many gifts within the season that people were able to take away, inspiring other people to start instagram pages in facebook groups, like, are we dating the same guy also, I will never forget something that Melissa said in the season. This is a dog that bites, sharing that peace from her therapies. In that analogy, I can't tell you how much positive feedback we got about that.

To kalan point about education, people are learning, and they don't even know IT. The survivors themselves are teaching one another. And I think that's incredibly powerful. I don't want to miss on the opportunity to share that peace because that this is a dog that, by example, open people's mind and gave them a very tangible example.

They can now take that into their lives, just like kalan sharing the things that SHE experience in the court system is going to help somebody that is currently in that fight tomorrow. They have a court hearing that they're feeling nervous about and they happen to listen. That's one of the fucking coolest parts about the far reach of the show.

We will never even understand the full positive impact. IT can be the small lest detail that you all have shared about your experience and IT can be a completely life changing, unlocking mental moment for someone else. And that's so powerful.

I've had so many people say to me, I wish I we've done what we did at the instagram. There's been so many people that have told kelan and I and even Sarah, they have similar stories to us. It's like, oh, I connected with my abusive exes, X, Y for x girlfriend and world super close now we've helped other throw IT.

IT shows growth, I think, in our society, because for so long, women have been pitted against each other in so many different aspects of life. Were taught a little bit to blame other women, rather than where calends at, where SHE showed all the other women. Grace SHE put the blame on jake, who is the one that was actually doing all of these things.

It's a way that as a society, I think, especially women are taking their power back with those things like the facebook group, where they're sharing their experiences with men and trying to protect other women. Women as a whole, I think we're starting to say we don't have to like sit in silence. We don't have to just not tell anyone because we're afraid no one's going to believe us were starting to believe each other and just support each other as women. And I think that speaking volumes for how far those facebook groups are reaching and how many women they're protecting.

you guys supporting one another. To your point, melia, that was one of the things that definitely stood out from people from the beginning of season was ken's ability to not look at you as her competition essentially. But you are able to come together.

That's amazing. It's women supporting women. And we definite need more of IT .

stay tune next week for more updates from kalan in Melissa that you're not gonna want to miss the .

only other person that we tried to warn was my career from M. X. P.

X. Kens boyfriend had connection to him. We were concerned because he had already assaulted ivy at that point. And mike was bringing jack and to stay at his house around his kids.

The most shocking part to me was within the first few sentences, I recall IT saying something to the tune of we've been expecting this message. I just thought, wow, that's your opener. IT was so emitter red.

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