Author Jeremy Carl explains why some people are scared to talk about anti-white racism.
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We hope you'll check that out here. Today's episode, if somehow you are able to be airlifted directly or teleported directly from ninety ninety four to two thousand twenty four, you notice a lot of changes. Primary among them would be the internet. But the biggest change you probably meant notice about our public conversation is how White people were so openly attacked and denigrated, yes, a racial groups.

So in one thousand and ninety four, you were about thirty years past civil rights move in thousand nine hundred and ninety for the Operating assumption of virtually everyone in the united states, was the main lesson of the civil rights movement of the letter from the birmingham jail, the event ptas bridge and all the different secret moments that we grew up hearing about. The main lesson of those moments was IT is immoral, infact unacceptable, to attack people on the basis of their race, so that if you fast forty, thirty years to find the same country, engaging in public hate friends y against people because of their race, you would find that children, how did this happen? Of course, there would be the discrimination, the institutional racism of hurting people on the basis of the race and hiring, in admissions to schools, in federal contracting, in promotions, there be all of that.

But there will also be the public manifestation of IT of saying out that we just don't like you. You're not as good. You're morally defective because of your skin call you says about why people people founded the nine states.

You'd be shocked by that. And then to turn the T, V. And see the president, the united states do the very same thing. You'd think maybe you'd been drinking IO waska. You'd see job and say things like this.

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What is this? Why does no one mention its happening? Why does anyone who does mention its happening get attacked as a Whiter premises for complaining about racism? And maybe more important, where does IT go? Is there any other ending to the story? But hurting people physically, lots of people.

Could we have a resolution that doesn't look like rWanda? Jermy, carl is an authors. Thought a lot about this is got a brand new book called the unprotected class.

How entire racism is tearing amErica apart. He joins us. Now tell me thanks so much for coming on. So maybe a an advantage or maybe disadvantage of being all a bit older that it's this is like the one thing you never thought, or I never thought you would see in america, which is our leaders openly attacking people on the basis of the race.

Just sixty years after the civil rites, woman is supposedly told the opposite lesson and the sublime ts act. So how did this happen? Do you think?

Well, it's an interesting question, right? I think you just hit on a key point, which is sixty years. We are as far now from the civil rights act as they were basically from the right brothers. So there has been a lot of time, uh, that's kind a lot of water into the bridge since of that time. And a lot of things have up. And I think IT was begun with very sincere intentions, but I think rather quickly, certainly know ten, twenty, thirty years down the line, he got really high jacked to the point that we went from trying to treat people equally to what has eventually amounted to reverse racism.

right? Or just I guess I would just call IT racism because IT seems like the standard would remain the same, no matter the race of the person being can stremme against. You can't attack people. You can't punish people for the color of their skin, for how they were born. So like that seems like a pretty easy principal to uphold is pretty strait forward.

Um well, I would agree with you talk her. But it's you know nonetheless, we're really seeing throughout and this is what I really wrote the book about throughout many different areas of endeavor, whether that be when we're looking at how crime gets talked about, to what's going on in hollywood, to the educational system and monuments coming down and and everything you can imagine kind of the White person is kind of the great enemy. It's the it's the um the the kind of uh the the evil guy in one nine hundred eighty four, the kind of two minutes of eight we have to have against him uh the manual gold steam figure a kind of is is the White person in particularly the democratic parties discourse today?

What's interesting though is that typically when you see these moments of escape coating, which are clearly know kind of inherent to people, I mean, they pop up in every society every time through history, like they're coming in people that wants to separate a small group and like lame, all its problems in that group. But it's usually it's the minority, of course, you know the persecuted minority Whites are still for release as of today, probably trained soon, of course, but there are so the majority in the country. So I have you ever seen anything .

like that happened? You know, I haven't talk. It's kind of amazing to watch because this is Whites are still a fifty eight percent majority, is no longer majority of the under eighteen, but of adults is still a solid majority.

The supermajority of our voters, still in every presidential election, although just barely in the last presidential election, and yet theyve become this figure of hate. And it's really been kind of fascinating and disturbing to watch and to kind of think about why that happened. And one of the things I suggested my book is that really, ultimately, this is a legitimizing ideology for ultimately resource transfer in resource configure.

And that takes a the the form of some of these reparations conversation or landings or some of these other things and they sort of start out on the extreme left and everything goes up. But what that's silly, that's never onna happen. And then all the sudden um you know IT is happening in your racist if you think it's that idea.

Yeah I mean of course it's happened and is still happening. Other countries you know radish a became zimbabwe and the Whites were killed and their land was taken in, their money stolen um and it's happening south africa right now. Of course we're else was to look at IT, but IT is happening actually um I wonder why people are why the majority putting up with IT?

Well, that's a good question, tucker. And I I can't even fully I don't have the perfect cancer for that myself. And ultimately, I one of the main reasons I wrote this book is because I don't think the I don't think anybody should be putting up with a regardless rate. I mean, we shouldn't have shouldn't be putting up with racial discrimination in our society in twenty twenty four. But I think you know kind of White people, they are almost it's like a stockroom syndrome or almost where they're are like in a hostage mode in terms of some of the ways that they are thinking where they they sort of her in love with their capture um and they're y're not able to kind of accept what's going on and and particularly on the left. It's the sort of notion that um because we of course, like every nation i've had an imperfect past that why people have some editors blood guilt and I think the baLance of american history just shows that that's a really biopic c and child lish way to look at our history in our country.

Well, it's demonstrative ly absurd if amErica so racist if systemic crisis is such a barrier than wire nonWhite people moving here by the millions. So obviously that's silly. But it's a little weird to say that, you know, you hate Whites, but you need to live in a country founded by White systems. Are angle systems like that? I may be i'm being too logical here, but that doesn't make any sense.

No, IT doesn't. I mean, I R IT points to some of the absurdity here. And you also touch that, of course, people from all sorts of different backgrounds are climbing at the door right now dealing with this, of course, with illegal immigration. And even if you look at some of these groups and against something I discussing the book, they're all sorts of nonWhite ethicists in this country, among immigrants and among citizens, in which particularly among asian american groups, but not exclusively. I mean, if you really even look at at nigerian americans are particularly ebo americans, for example, they would have an average um higher uh income than the average White american. And so this kind of notion that why s are sort of on the top is really a selective editing of any story, no matter how true that belies that any statistics that that is one of the reasons you actually see asian americans frequently eliminated from these comparison sets when when they are talked about because he doesn't tell the story that, uh, the left wants to tell.

Well, I just a lie. I mean, the labor department collects these stats and you could say, well, maybe their fake stats telling how they're fake, but they've been the trends been going on a long time. I I don't I don't know if native borne weights are in the top ten for income actually groups, but they're not near the top of the top ten, that's for sure.

I've seen the numbers. I just w so that's your lying if you say that. Um so there's that. But again, I want to get back to the core question, which is why would anybody put up with this? This were happening to people from mEdgar.

I would be as against as I am now, but is particularly weird that the people whose ancestors founded the country are putting up with that. I hear all the time Young people say, like, I can't really get a job. i've. Expectation working in a big company of a weight mail.

It's like why would you accept that? Like if you're twenty two, what did you do to deserve that? And what does that say about your country that is doing IT to you? Like why people put up with that for a second.

I am tucker. I mean, and I wrote this book because I didn't understand that either. And what I the only thing I can come up with, not the only thing, but the leading kind of hypothetical I can, is that a lot of people have kind of been so brainwashed by a lot of the propaganda from the left that they're just simply not aware of some of the realities here.

And so what i've tried to do in the book is just to detail the enormous number of ways throughout many, many different areas of endeavor right now where Whites are being discriminated against, and to say, hey guys, we shouldn't be putting up with this. Why are we putting up with this? We certainly wouldn't put up with IT if any other group are being discriminated against in this way. So why do we not have the self respect to kind of stand up for ourselves? Well, like I couldn't really more.

And is that we wouldn't be putting up that if any other group was being discreet inst that are the group putting up and see that and groups just won't up. And I say that with admiration, because why would anyone put up with racism? Especially since anti racism being against racism is our state religion.

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merchants payments coalition not authorized by any canada or canada y's committee W W, W 到 merchants payments coalition dotcom。 So I mean how paradoxical that in a country where the one thing you can be is racist the antique gh racism is in shined in law, custom and culture and no one mentioned that.

I agree it's it's mysterious and ah I think one of the encouraging things is when I started to write this book a couple years ago and when I started even more thinking about writing this book a few years before that, a lot of this stuff felt very taboo to even mention even though obviously, as you just noted, it's it's obviously self evidently true um and therefore I couldn't be taboo at all.

And I think one of the encouraging things is that we're beginning to see people and and you've really been to stall world on this. But there are there have been other folks uh in the media environment, folks like math well, charlie kirk, and there have been politicians, guys like j Evans, who are kind of now speaking up and they aren't just saying like hate, it's fine. You you can get to go discriminated against White people and that's fine.

We're not going to say anything. We're going to be too cat. We're going to be too intimidated. I've really seen in movement in the dialogue just in the time, even i've been writing this book. But at the same time, there's still a long way to go um before we really kind of reach a point where we can have a candid conversation on about this stuff that is actually based on reality rather than the left wing fantasy.

I guess what would bothers me a little bit is that you know the justification for hurting Whites has always been effectively as a species of the reparations argument like you know, Whites, i've hurt t other people therefore it's they are turn in the barrel or something like that you need to make up for something that your ancestors did, I guess.

But that I guess kind of work sort of maybe if you're talking about the majority, but the second Whites are no longer in the majority, and that's gona happen very, very soon. Maybe already has happened. We don't know because we don't know the real population numbers because of illegal immigration, but we're right on the of edge of the Whitesnake.

The majority, like at that point the way, get to say, well, now I want, you know, some advantage in college admissions now I want my kids to go to harvard for free and I want government contracts in a preferential way. Like what happens then? Or does the entire weight hate just get louder?

Well, that's the concern. And I think one of the things is, again, I talk about in the book, uh, is we are essentially moving as as you just eluded to, to what is effectively a post White america. Now how quickly we get that depends on whether job I and never decides that he's gonna a shut the border and whether the republicans are ever actually going to do anything.

But if he continues to refuse to but we we're headed in that direction. Um and so then the question becomes when you look at the history of multi ethnic countries where you have unequal resource distribution and whatever else, that is a recipe historically, not in every case but in many, many cases for violence. And so that should be of great concern to us.

And again, i'm not sort if I didn't write this book with the notion that, hey, you know, we just are writing this for White people. And White people should be only one caring about IT. Every american who is interested in living in what is going to be a multi ethnic country that gives hopefully equalized to everybody should be concerned about this issue. Because if we don't treat a very large group fairly, then there are going to be some people just say, you know, i'm not going to put up with that and who knows where that leads, but not anywhere. good.

Well, you already see IT at the margins. You know, you don't want people to be radicalized. You don't want people to have to be radicalized along racial lines because they are irresolvable. Opinions change, skin color doesn't.

So if we have any kind of raise conflict that I can, I can go on for many generations and has, of course, but I think about south africa, which in one thousand nine hundred ninety four, when I was handed voluntarily to the A N. C, had nuclear weapons and now parts the country don't have consistent electricity. So the nc.

Total destroyed the country. It's a black party and yet they're still blaming weights. The small minority south africans were weights for all the problems. And you are thinking, well, if that's the future here, like, that's very grim I think.

oh, oh, absolutely. And i'm not so diet unthink fortunately, where things are so dire here that we're likely to wind up in the south african situation where they can even keep the power.

But I do worry that we may be brazil in our society where you essentially have uh, a few people kind of at the very top living with guards, kind of under a lot of security and things that may be kind of good for them and everybody else is sort of know in a much worse sort of situation. And you kind of have a certain types of very polar ized racial politics beginning even to emerge in brazil a as well. So I think um you know I not worried that we're going to turn in to south africa tomorrow because of that. But given amErica and given our history and traditions and and the great beacon of freedom and opportunity that we've been for everybody um to even take a step in that direction is just something that we should do, everything that we can to hopefully avoid.

Yeah I mean, I should say about brazil. You know brazil had a pretty pure mid shaped economic system for A A long time and a good thing on middle class. But brazil has not had brazil a multi tio society like way more than the united states.

Lot of people from different ethnic groups, okay, who who in area and always have for hundreds of years, they haven't had until pretty recently, like the last ten years, hard core american style race politics. These are an economic arguments, which I think you're fine to have because your economic system can be changed with one peace of legislation. Your race can never be changed. So I don't understand the difference ideologically between just ideologically living inside resources and history and stuff like the ideas of like the barack obama democratic party seem identical to the ideas of the A N C R mulamba in in south africa. I don't what is very difference that you see?

Well, I I don't think there is. I mean, okay. I mean, we're not yet at the kind of killed the board chat level of of over racism in in south africa that they have, although we're kind of heading maybe in that action.

There was a book last year and amazon IT was the best seller. IT was like eliminate Whites that was an even the book written by some indian guy.

What it's it's crazy. And I think it's certainly there's a lot of concern that we should have about the situation that we're in right now. Um but i'm not uh, necessarily of the view that, that is going to be quite as bleak as IT currently is in south africa. But what I do see is that um some of this rhetoric is just incredibly toxic from the democrats that a the the direction that they would like to go is really of a sort of racial cast system and that what we what we're going to kind of do as a result of that is gonna something that would be very, very bleak for um for every american, but certainly for White americans most of all. And again, we've gotta start calling them out on this, because until know we letting them get away with these sorts of of a kind of police racially targeting african americans and and kind of america's history is nothing but violence and racism, then it's going to be very, very bleak in terms of what things are going to look like in the future of this country.

My last question, since I know you thought about this more deeply than anyone probably, do you see this accelerating? Or do you for see, i'm saying prayers for this, a future. We're not like talking about race that much because is not that interesting. And we're talking about the things that unite us in the ways to make the country Better, like what IT does seem like this election year. Maybe a potentially turning point or an acceleration, which which do you think well.

I think that the left is definitely accelerating. I mean, as IT becomes less and less true to speak of any sort of White systemic racism, the left is just amp up their their conversation um about that their rhetoric around at the same time. Um I think there is more resistance that I just touched on in and you and others have have really been IT in some ways the forefront of that which i'm very thankful for. But um I kind of feel like the best case that's realistic is that to use a kind of cold war analogy, we moved to what's called the a mutually assured destruction uh and that keeps us safe.

So what the left has to understand is when they use this type of racial retour c that is escape Whites, that is blaming everything on Whites, that is saying White people are kind of the cause of all problems or that are going on in this country, that um they understand that there is going to be a very painful and direct political blow back to them for doing that and uh that requires us to organize on our side, to say to actually arrange that type of blow back, to make them understand their cost of that type of racist rec that they are using and then if that happens, they may say, well, okay, you know what maybe it's best that we kind of cool this off that we don't use this type of rhetoric really what we want to do is, is sort of take race out of the public dialogue in this way. We're not going escape good Whites anymore because we understand that creates a politically painful scenario for us as well. But to create that sort of thing, which I think we d ultimately the lead ratio peace, and would allow us to talk about these things that, as you you know, would be much more important than, and things that we should all be Carrying about far beyond race, uh, we need to be a credible, a credible to them. We need to show that we're not going to build up with um what uh the sort of behavior that they have been engaging in. That's why I wrote my book, the unprotected class, and i've sort of suggest in the book that you ways that we can go to get there.

Man, I I couldn't agree more. Remember watching the republican, still the republican governor of new hampshire, really kind of an awful person, but say that the problem that the hamshaw are too many White in IT I member thinking, is anyone else hearing this? Attacking people who live there, whose ancestor been there for three and years.

You're tacking because they're skin color really. We gets reelected by republicans. And so I hope your book increases the sanctions on people who use racist ideas for political gain because I think it's wrong.

Well, I agree, and I appreciate having the opportunity to go on and talk about IT with you and appreciate all the work that that you've done to really highlight this issue over the years.

Yeah, I mean, i'm fine, by the way. You know I mean, it's the principle that drives me crazy.

No, no, i'm great. I'm glad talk like that. You mention that because, uh, there's one of the red one of the things that they used to kind try to shut us up and say, oh, you know, it's it's just winning.

It's it's your being. You must be a loser. You must have a terrible life if you worrying about that.

No, I actually have a fantastic life. Uh, personally, I have a loving family, am really happy five kids. But i'm looking at the future of our country yeah. And i'm concerned about the really concerned about the direction, and i'm concerned about my future for my kids and not just for my kids, but for other kids of all different races in the U. S.

I want them to grow up in a country of opportunity and in the end of opportunity for everybody, which was the country that I really grew up in. But I think in many ways is is becoming less true for everybody. Now if you don't kind of check the right demographic boxes. And so that's why wrote the book, and that's why I speaking out.

Man, yeah, you have your water found you you. How can he see to the movie theatre? Shut up and stop complaining.

A whiner. It's like, what IT offends me as a Christian. I'll say that. Anyway, thank you so much. German, good to see you.

Thank you so much. Stuck arrive me on.

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