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Session 59: Coco Jones

2025/2/27
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@Jake Shane : 我最近在阿斯彭和Celsius一起玩得很开心,但之后我决定不再在播客里分享太多个人生活。我和一个人在俱乐部/节日短暂约会,感觉很棒。Coco的新专辑《Why Not More》将于4月25日发行,主打单曲《Taste》及其MV现已上线。我很高兴Coco来参加我的播客。在节目中,我们讨论了Coco的个人生活、新专辑《Why Not More》以及她从迪士尼到现在的演艺事业。我们还聊到了她对音乐创作的看法,以及她对未来事业规划的展望。最后,我们还解答了一些听众的提问,例如如何处理与室友之间尴尬的关系,以及如何应对在公众场合情绪失控的情况。 @Coco Jones : 我很高兴来参加这个播客。洛杉矶的交通状况很糟糕。我喜欢吃Silver Lake Ramen,因为我害怕尝试新的东西。Jinya Ramen是我开始吃拉面的入门级拉面店。我一旦找到自己喜欢的食物,就不会再尝试其他食物了。我从没吃过Pho,也不知道怎么读。我非常兴奋地宣布我的新专辑《Why Not More》。我在创作专辑时,优先考虑的是取悦自己而不是消费者。我的新专辑《Why Not More》有14首歌曲,豪华版有20首。我对新专辑的豪华版发行时间还不确定。我没想到《Taste》会使用布兰妮的采样。我在歌曲中使用采样是很自然而然的,并非刻意为之。我在歌曲制作过程中非常注重技术细节。制作音乐是一个漫长而细致的过程,需要考虑很多方面。我有时会觉得自己像个工作狂。我需要平衡工作和生活,才能获得灵感。我在格莱美颁奖典礼上大胆地和碧昂丝合影留念。我在格莱美颁奖典礼上享受了和同行们互动的时光。我妈妈大胆地称呼碧昂丝为“女士”。我认为迪士尼的经历为我现在的职业生涯打下了良好的基础。迪士尼的媒体培训教会我如何应对媒体采访。我从很小的时候就开始从事演艺工作,并且一直充满热情。我从小就渴望更多的舞台机会。我觉得唱歌比演戏更能让我感到充实。我很小的时候就开始创作音乐了。我喜欢在家里和录音室里混合创作歌曲。我不会开车。第一次滑雪时,因为分心而摔倒了。我曾经全力以赴去做一件事情,但最终不得不放弃。我曾经在醉酒状态下创作歌曲,结果很糟糕。我因为运动后腹胀而感到生气。我将为我的新专辑进行巡演。我喜欢巡演,因为可以与歌迷互动,获得新的能量。我从上一张专辑中学到了专辑颜色主题的重要性。我想在我的下一张专辑中加入更多高能量的歌曲。我这张专辑的创作时间跨度超过一年。我想让我的新专辑展现R&B音乐的多样性。我对新专辑既兴奋又害怕。我最喜欢的歌曲是《Taste》和《Nobody Exists》。我喜欢我的新专辑中不同风格的歌曲。我想通过《Taste》的MV展现我的舞蹈实力。拍摄《Taste》的MV很辛苦,但也很有意义。在制作新专辑期间,我听了很多其他艺术家的音乐,从中获得灵感。碧昂丝的《Renaissance》巡演给了我很多启发。我目前没有养宠物。我喜欢狗,不喜欢猫。我曾经把狗送人了。我曾经在大学里短暂地收养过两只狗。我喜欢那些像宠物一样的音乐机器人。我曾经担心别人会评判我在网上发布的内容。

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Coco Jones discusses her new album, "Why Not More," the creative process behind it, and the challenges of balancing personal life and career. She emphasizes the importance of prioritizing her own artistic vision over external pressures.
  • Coco Jones' new album, "Why Not More," is out April 25th.
  • The lead single, "Taste," samples Britney Spears.
  • The album's creation involved extensive sonic exploration and a focus on Coco's personal artistic vision.

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Hi, pussies, and welcome back to Therapist. Today, we have actress and singer Coco Jones on the podcast, and it was honestly one of the most, most fun? It was some of the most fun I've ever had while recording. Sorry, I just couldn't figure out my grammar. I'm a little bit brain dead because I was just in Aspen this weekend with Celsius. It was really, really, really fun. But for those asking, you know, right before this, I was like, I think I'm going to stop sharing some of my personal life on here.

But then I was like, whatever. So I did actually kind of go on the date. Like, I don't really know how to describe it. Like, it was like a speed date. Like, we met up at the club for like 20 minutes or the festival for like 20 minutes. But it went great. He was lovely and awesome. So it was a speed date. Okay. It was a speed date. And it went great. What else?

Coco's new album, Why Not More, is out April 25th, and the lead single, Taste, with the accompanying music video is out now. I'm so traumatized from saying words wrong ever since subsequent. I literally just panicked saying accompanying. Am I having a stroke? Okay, cool. Okay, pussies, enjoy the episode. Love you guys. Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapus.

Today, we have actress, singer, extraordinaire. I adore her, and I know you all do too. Welcome to Therapist, Coco Jones. Hey, Coco! I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy you're here. I was like so lately bad. It was so not giving, and I was like, I hate being late because I'm like, but there's nothing I can do, so I'm just like, hmm, powerless. The concept of having no control right now. No, LA traffic, especially at this time,

Super bad. How gnarly was the traffic on the way here? It was actually excruciating. I was like, you know what? I'm going to use this time to like be with my thoughts. And I'm like, let's see what I learn. What did you learn? I only learned what I want to eat for dinner. What do you want to eat? Ramen. From where? Silver Lake Ramen. I love Silver Lake Ramen. Don't lie right now. Wait, I'm not lying. And I always lie, but I'm not lying.

I'm not lying. Stop. I love silver, like, ramen. But I will have to say, like, I personally am scared to try other things that are new because by the time that I'm allowing myself to have ramen, when I'm not in my regiment...

I don't want to guess. I don't want to play about it. I don't want to, you know, risk anything. I want that sure thing. So I know there's so many places, but I'm like, I'm too scared to try. Have you had Tatsu? Of course I've had Tatsu. I fuck with Tatsu. More than Silver Lake. Yeah. Yes. Whoa. I don't know. Yes. But Silver Lake has crispy rice, right? Don't they? They do. Yeah. See, no, I'm telling you, I'm not lying. I love Silver Lake. You did this clock there. See there on that menu. They do have that crispy rice. That rice is crispy. Yeah.

I don't know. It like depends. I used to be so big into Tatsu when I first even got into ramen. My homegirl was like, have you ever tried Tatsu? And I was on that Jinya ramen. I was like, okay, bro. I love Jinya ramen. I'm not kidding. I used to go to the one in Santa Monica.

Okay, well, respectfully, respectfully, Jinya was like my intro into ramen. And I was like, hmm, she's cute. Per. But then my homegirl was like, you ain't tried tatsu. I'm like, what's tatsu? I put on the tatsu and I was like, uh-uh, Jinya, it was nice meeting you. Nice meeting you. And then I found Silver Lake because of Terrell. Terrell was like, you don't know Silver Lake? I'm like, what's Silver Lake? Goodbye, tatsu. I don't know. Once I find something that just hits the spot, I'm just not, I'm not going anywhere else. Do you eat pho? I've never had that. And I didn't even know that's how you say it. Okay, I know. I used to think it was pho. It's pho. Yeah. It,

Do you get, like, bad hangovers? Yes. The ultimate hangover cure. What? I've never experienced... It's, like, a mix of, like, somehow it's refreshing and really... Because when you're hangover, your body... Dehydrated.com. When you're hungover, you're missing salt. And it's so salty, and it just, like, cures you. You're missing salt when you're hungover? I thought you were missing water. No, you're... But, like, you're super dehydrated in terms of, like, sodium, too. Well...

If that's the problem, then the way I eat salt, I shouldn't have bad hangovers. That's what I said. That's what I said. Okay, you know what? We're here with it. I feel like we're really walking in and we're seeing things in a way, in a very similar way. So interesting. And how do we get... I don't know, but I love it. Yeah, me too. Thank you. Wait, so you just announced your new album. Yes, I did. Super excited. It's called Why Not More. I'm so excited. I saw the cover. Yes. What did you think of the cover? Content.

Cunts. Thank y'all. But no, I'm super, super excited. I feel like, you know, originally I was like, dang, it's been a long time since I put out anything as a project. But I couldn't rush because I felt like, am I going to please the consumer or myself? Yourself. And so .com. So I felt like I had to let go of that inner, it has to be this way and da-da-da-da, and it's been this many months. And so I was so grateful that I pushed past that fear of like,

What if they forget about me? You know? Right, right. Because it led to some of the best stuff, the best work that I'm super, super proud of. It's 14 songs. Wow. And then there's six more on the Deluxe, so 20 total. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. And how soon is the deluxe coming? Or I mean, I don't know if you can say that yet. Honestly, I don't even know myself. I can't even lie. Cause I'm like, they've got their strategies for all that. And I'm like, okay, just let me know. Let me know. But yeah, I'm really excited. And the single taste. It's amazing. Thank you. It really is. I just wasn't expecting when I heard it. Yeah. The Britney sample. That's the guy. Britney. Oh, I just spit on you. It's okay. It's Britney. It's Britney. I'm going to kill myself. Don't,

Don't even think twice about it. Stop laughing at me. Don't even think twice about it. Honestly, that's the reaction I want. I want spit all over the room because everyone's screaming and crying and yelling and they're beside themselves, picking themselves up off the ground. The Britney sample. Yeah. I mean... I just wasn't expecting it. Taste is like...

You really reinvented the sample. It's just so cool. Thank you so much. Honestly, I really wasn't planning to do that, but I'm really never planning to. And I tend to have a couple of songs on my projects that are samples in a way like this.

that. Even on my first EP, I had Double Back, which sampled SWV. And one of my recent singles, I sampled Lenny Williams, Here We Go. You know, how it happens is really organic. It's not like I'm like, hmm, let's go through the sample book and see what I can copy and paste, you know? It's kind of like, dang, that is familiar and fire. Now let me flip it. Like, I don't even want to think about what anyone else said or did. Now it's my turn, you know what I'm saying? Put my take on it. And so it really happened organically. Honestly, I can't even fully remember...

Who said what about the Britney sample? But I do remember playing one of my producers, Jasper, that I love working with. Jasper and Stargate did that one. He played the sample and I was like,

just cut a little piece of it and copy and paste it copy and paste it and then let me go in and just do stuff around it and so that really is what led to the song and the format of it is i i was like i don't know about the whole thing but let me see what happens when you just put one piece in it and then of course we ended up needing it because it was like the icing on the cake it was like the full payoff but yeah oh you're really technical about your shit dude what and honestly truly it

It's tiring. Yeah. I don't want to have to be this way. But it's why it's so good. I would love for it to just be, thank you, this is exactly how I want to sound and exactly what I want to say. And it's exactly me. Thanks. But it's just not, it doesn't happen like that. Right. You know? So yes, I have found that that's another reason why things took more time is because I'm not just sitting there writing the song, which already takes a chunk of time. It's also, do I even like this beat?

Do I even like the sonics? Like, let's start there. Let's scratch it all and there's nothing. And let's just start with a tempo. You know, how fast or slow do you want the song? Okay, now pick an instrument. Do you like this? Do you like this feel? No, it's too dark. It's too bright. Like, yes, it'd be like that. Right. It'd be like that. It takes a long time. You know what? You said that was so funny as you were like, was I worried that people were going to forget about me? But you work so much. Yeah.

You do. You're in Bel Air as well. It's like people would never forget about you because you're always working. Yeah. Do you find yourself to be like a workaholic? You know what? I feel like in some sense, I do really live for it because when things aren't happening, like on Christmas break, I was like, mm-mm. Yeah. Cut it.

Got it. I'm like, thanks, mom. I gotta go. She's like, no, you don't. I was like, you're right. Why don't I have to go? But, um, so I do find that yes, in a way after too long of being still, I'm like, um, where's my purpose? You know? Right. Who am I? Um, but I do feel like this year I'm going to aim to have more balance because I don't want to work so hard and be left with nothing because I didn't get to do anything. And also I get a lot of my inspiration for these songs and my ideas from time to sleep and

and time to eat and hang out with my friends and be with my family and thinking, you know? Sometimes there's no time to think. And I'm like, well, how am I going to get ideas? I can't even think about anything I'm thinking about. Right. You can't experience life. Exactly. Exactly. So it does have to be a balance, but I do love that. I do love that grind. Yeah. I'd be filling in my Beyonce. She just went out with the year. Yes. Yes.

with me. Where? Friend, we have a selfie together. It's on the interwebs. It's all over. It's all up in the room. Where? Were you freaking out? Oh my God, listen to this, please. Okay, so. I'm looking this up. Of course, whenever the Grammys are like, okay, commercial break, everyone swarms to everyone, you know, and you're like, whew, jump scare. So I was like, I don't know, I was feeling ferocious and I was like, hey mom, I brought my mom. I was like, let's go see if we can get a picture with Beyonce. She was like, gag. Wow. Gag in a bag, no tag. Like, hello? Hello?

You looked amazing. You looked amazing. People were like, girl, you really holding against Beyonce? I feel like I'm not. But no, thank you so much. Okay, so yeah, I was like, mom, let's just like, I was just like, whatever, feeling daring. I was like, let's go see if we can take a picture with Beyonce. Because I was taking selfies with everyone. I felt like the selfie queen. I was enjoying myself. That was so fun. And I was like, now people know me. So I'm not like, hi, I'm Coco Jones. And I'm, do you happen to watch Disney Channel? It's like, oh, we love you. And I'm like,

I'm having fun here. You know, it becomes more like just a cool event that I want to like stamp in time versus this is work and you must be quiet and you don't know anyone. No, like these are like my peers in a sense. LOL. What? You know what I mean? No, I know exactly what you mean. So I'm like, mom, let's go see if we can take a picture with me. And so she's like, okay, let's go. And I'm like, okay, okay. And then we're getting closer and I'm like. And you had never met her before. I've met her multiple times. Oh. But I just don't like to bother her.

Wait, it's Beyonce. I know. And everyone's swarming to her. Like, God, it's giving like zoo. And they all are just wanting a pet. Right. And I feel bad. Yeah. But I'm one too. I'm also here. I also got my ticket to the petting zoo and I want a pet. So I was like, we're getting closer. I'm getting scared. I'm like, mom, I don't think I can freaking do it, mom. I was like, let's just go. Let's just go. You turn, you turn. So we're turning around and my mom's like, my mom goes to her, ma'am. No. Ma'am. I'm literally grabbing my mom's arm. I'm like, and my Beyonce looks back and she's like,

here. And I was like, literally was so gagged. I was like, mom, not you. You are doing your mom. You just mom's so freaking hard. She loved that. I mean, yeah. You know what? And I honestly, I thought about it too. I'm like, she's there with her daughter and I'm like, she probably still gets it. Right. She does definitely get it. Yes. And also like, I feel like people like that. I mean, I don't know. Cause that's like such a level of celebrity that I don't know. But like, dude,

Do they like appreciate that like quick sense of normalcy? Like your mom being like, man, when's the last time someone's called Beyonce? Like ma'am or miss? You know what I mean? Like it's always like Beyonce. Like, you know what I mean? I'm sure she gets addressed as miss by her team. Don't think so.

You don't think like Mrs. Knowles? I could see that. Right. I could see all types of things, Miss Carter. Yes. But yeah, I just thought that was so freaking funny. I was like, Mom, no you did not. Just ma'am her. You knew her freaking name, ma'am. But it was just so fun. And I loved watching everyone. I loved Dochi's performance. I loved Sabrina Carpinter.

And I just had a blast. It was so fun. It was in chapels. Oh, my gosh. My mom texted me, your friend chapel. I said, friend, mom. I was like, mom. LOL. But no, it was super, super exciting to be there. Wait, so you just, obviously, you were on Disney. Honestly, it was some of the best training grounds I think that I could have ever had to live this life currently. You're balancing so much. Like, personal life, fitness, scripts, everything.

music, songs, songwriting, and then decisions, business. Like, what are you doing with your company? Right. And I did not know how much I was being prepared to like balance a bunch of things. Like as a kid, you're doing school, you're learning choreography, you're learning the script, you're singing the songs and it's all in the one movie. You know what I'm saying? So it taught me a lot. It taught me a lot. And of course the media training.com. That was about to say, yeah. What was that Disney media training like? Um, me,

Me trying to find it in my memories. I feel like it was very straight to the point. Teaching you how to pivot things if they don't have any relevance to what you're talking about. And also if there was something going on in the world, like how to politely say, I don't feel comfortable talking about that. You know what I'm saying? Because as a kid, you're like,

What even does that mean? Right. You know? So, very educational. And honestly, I feel like a great training ground for who I am now and what I have to do in my real life now. Yeah. I mean, I can imagine. How old were you when you started Disney? Um...

My first ever quote unquote job was Next Big Thing, which was like their... I remember Next Big Thing. Yeah, their stinking singing competition. Yes. Oh, I was so gagged. I was like 11 or 12. Oh, wow. So you've been working forever. Yes, absolutely. And it's been my passion forever, you know? When I even started acting, I was telling my mom...

As a kid, I'm like, why am I not working enough? Like, why am I not on enough stages? Why can't I be singing every day? Like, what's going on? Right. She's like, girl, I mean, there's only so many opportunities. I'm like, so what else is there to do? Right. And so that's how I started even acting is that feeling of wanting to keep going and to keep reaching new heights. Do you feel more fulfilled now?

By acting or singing, or is it different? They are different, but singing, I will say, is more fulfilling because it's my story. Yes. Acting is different in a challenging way of making another character come to life and taking yourself out of it. But singing, I feel like, is more fulfilling because it's like, oof, this is my art that you guys are appreciative of, you know? Right. And when did you start writing music? LOL. Like, so young. I was writing with my mom. She was my first co-writer. Really?

She was the team before the team. She would literally fill in whatever gap. She was like my hair and makeup. I used to say like she had me looking like a potato because she didn't know nothing about highlight or contour. And it was the one shade. Shout out to MAC. Y'all did have me right with that shade. I had no other dimensions in my face. No brows at all either. She didn't know about eyebrow pencils. It was literally foundation and lip gloss. But...

my mom would help me write songs and she would help me in all areas. But yeah, I was writing about sleepovers, basketball. I played basketball at the time and like my friend moving away, like things that were relevant in my world at that time, my little precious world. And how do you, what is like, I'm so fascinated by songwriting, but like, how do you, what, like, what is your ideal situation for writing a song today? Like, do you like to be in the studio? Are you home? Like, what do you, what's your ideal environment for that? That is a great question actually. And yeah,

I think right now I'm used to being in the studio, but I do like writing at home. I honestly, it's kind of like a hybrid. What I do actually is sometimes I'll start an idea at my house with maybe nothing or maybe like one beat or like one little sound and then I'll bring it to the studio and then I'll have, you know, writers come in and we, and we build it out. Right. So it's kind of like a hybrid situation that I like to do. But ideally, yeah.

If I could have it, I'll be at my house. It would be at my house. Right. I'm tired of driving. Right. Ugh. You know I don't drive. You don't drive? No, Uber. You don't have your license? Every single day. Do you have your license? Mm-mm. Babe, what's going on? I will crash. What? I will. Have you ever tried? Once. Once? I drove around a parking lot. I'm just like...

But honestly, I just went skiing for the first time. I thought I could never do that and I could do it. Okay. That's hard. I found myself getting distracted and falling. Oh. So like if I find myself getting distracted and crashing, it's a little different. Well, skiing, I feel like there's a lot more going into it with the body. Driving, you're just right here with it. Right here. I know, but like I get scared about like, I don't know, I feel like I would need like a mini clown car. Why? Because I'm so short. Why does the car have to do everything? No. You could.

What? What? Wow.

Were y'all singing or were you screaming? I was singing. Okay, that's good. And I was like, this is taken. I see. I must do something different. Well, how were you singing if we were teaching you how to drive? Exactly. You were too distracted. See, that's why. The thing is, they would tell me one thing how to drive and then it would just be silence. And we'd be like, so what should we talk about? Oh, that literally sounds like driver's ed. They would be like, turn left. And I'd be like, okay. It was like my friends in the car. And then Julia, my friend, was like, stop.

And we set up this whole shoot day. Do you remember this? That's hilarious. That's hilarious. I have the episode. And so I just didn't give what I need to give. When did you guys start singing? Like we would play the music and we would just start singing. Yes.

And at the end, it was so awkward. Yeah. We had nothing to talk about. We were like, should we answer questions from who? A ghost? We have no questions to answer. That is so freaking funny. Yeah. It's in the archives. I love the pivot and the try, you know? Yeah. That's what it takes to be here in this world. Just trying to try and pivot like whatever. It didn't do what it needed to do. You hated it. You tried it, though.

It's the trying that I think is really powerful up in here. Was there ever something that you tried super hard on? You gave it your all. You were like, this is it for me. And you had to pivot. Yes, there are definitely moments. I'm like, how can I say it without saying my own literal stuff? You can bleep it or cut it.

Let me think, actually, for a second. Because, I mean, there's so many different areas of it. Like, I had something last week. And, like, the thing about me is, like, I go all fucking in. I'm like, this is my...

This is my life. This is what is going to be my life for the next year. Right. And I had this thing and I was like, this is my life. I literally woke up the next day and I was like, cancel the whole thing. We can't do this. No. It just wasn't working. Yeah. Honestly, that's really true. I think I will say with songs. Oh, I have a great example. Okay, I just needed to simmer on it for a second. Okay, so one time...

wanted to write a song where I felt like I had no limits, no restrictions on myself. And so I was like, you know what? Let me be tipsy and write this song. So me and my friend who was writing it, we were like, yeah! Creatively free! And so we wrote this song and I sent it to my label that night. I was like, this it. Big mistake. Huge, large mistake. I was so confident. I was like, I literally woke up the next day to crickets in that group chat. I was like,

And then I was like, I could have sworn it ate. So I listened to it. I was like. It was so bad. It was just like me trying to be this like free rebellion. Were you hammered? I wasn't even hammered. But I definitely thought I ate that. And it was like, give me that plate back. You didn't. It was so bad. I was really humbled. Really? Like sometimes in the moment, you're like.

That is it. Dude, no, seriously. And I'm like, ugh. I totally get how artists struggle because they're like, I'm right here in the thick of this and I'm sure. And then you have all of these other people who are skilled at their job. Right. And they're like, you know? And you're like, what? What?

I can't believe it. And it's so humbling. You just have to go back to the drawing board. You pivot. You pivot. Just like Disney taught you. Hello. Media trained and a little bit emotional trained. You know what? It didn't work out. We pivot. We move on. We move on. We move on. But is there anything? And it just like, I just, I'm feeling it today. Is there anything you're therapist about? Therapist about? Explain what that means. Like angry. Is there anything you're pissed about?

My therapist tells me a lot of stuff and I'm not mad about it though. I'm thinking, what were you saying? Okay. Therapist about. Hmm. Like, let me like, what am I angry about today? I'm angry about, I hate how I get bloated after a workout. It just feels counteractive.

Like, that's what I'm actually angry about. Like, immediately after? Immediately. Because I'm fucking starving, shaking hungry. Like, I was up at 4 a.m. today because I'm so fucking jet lagged. And then I worked out. And then by the end of it, I was, like, shriveled hungry. And then I ate. And I was, like, I feel worse than I felt before the workout. So that's what I was angry about today. Wow. That is actually a really good one. If I could say I'm angry about anything, I think I would say probably angry about the traffic.

I think I would say that. Honestly, truly. I'm like, okay, so I heard that there was this conspiracy about like the under, under the earth subways. You heard that? Clock it. There are people.

Under L.A. in subways going fast. No way. That's what that's what they look at. Look at him nodding. No, there's no way Beyonce wouldn't have been late to the Grammys if that's the case, because she would have access. That's fashionably late, babe. Get into it. OK, true. Anyway, yeah. OK, so how do I get access to this freaking under the earth subway? I want to go fast in L.A. Where's this conspiracy from? Tick tock.

Can someone explain this conspiracy to me? Well, who did they say it was? There's an underground Starbucks. Oh, come on. Yes. What did the TikTok say? That this higher group, a higher caliber of people have access. Only them. They have access to like this traffic free under the earth way.

I don't know. It's another highway. It's not a subway. It's a whole new highway. Starbucks employee works at the underground Starbucks got fired and then really let it rip and said it's under the 405. Go shut the fuck up. Swear to God. It's a TikTok conspiracy. You believe that? Absolutely. Absolutely. I know there's a way. They're making life easier.

Over there. Okay. This just, I don't buy it. You don't believe it could be possible? Because then why are they shutting down the roads when the president comes into town? Now that I don't know. Everything gets shut down. We can't walk into anything. Everything gets shut down. Wow. You know what? I don't know. Maybe it's all a ruse. That's what I'm thinking too. Because they're like, wait a minute. Maybe it's a ruse. Okay. Correct. Correct. That's something. That's something right there.

Speaking of traveling, are you touring this album? Oh, absolutely. I'm super excited. So the album's 25th of April and then the tour will be May 6th. Are you excited? Where are you going? I'm going everywhere domestic and then I'm going to Europe for four or five days. Where in Europe? I don't know. Last time I went to London, I went to France. I wanted to make a rhyme there that rhymed with pants, but I didn't. I went to...

What's that other place called? Germany? Nar. Italy? Nar. S-T. You know what? Let's just stop there. S-T? I don't know. I can't remember right now. Do you remember what type of food it is? Mm-mm, because I just ordered some meatballs there. Sicily? No. No. S-T! I don't know. It kind of looked like a gingerbread house. Stockholm? It feels like that might be it, but that doesn't sound right when you say it. Are you sure it's not Switzerland?

Who? I'm not sure. Scotland? No, guys, everyone let it go. Why are we all trying to figure it out? I'm like, we remain unknown? But no, it was really fun. I'm like, holy crap, y'all aren't letting me. I mean, I wasn't, but sheesh. That's hilarious. But no, I love, love, love, love touring. I think it's one of my favorite parts because the crowds give you new energy everywhere. And also, I just think it's just so refreshing and it just feels so...

you know, rewarding to see people like your songs. You know, that is just like, that's my biggest thing as an artist. I'm like, I like this, but am I the only one? You know what I'm saying? It's just me right here in the room. Does everyone get it? You know, I just don't want to be the only one. So, um, I just love to see them and see which parts are their favorites. And I'm like, wow. And then it teaches me things that I put in my next album.

Wow. Okay. So what did you learn from the last one that you put into this album? I learned that colors are really important to me and I can't just let people pick my album color theme and the world for me. And I did not know that with my EP. I'm like, whatever. I just want to put my songs out. Right. But I did a whole tour and I'm like, oh, okay. See, now I have to do this aesthetic because that's what I did with this. And I didn't think about that at the time. And also too, I think,

I wanted more high energy songs so that I can make a more, you know, rollercoaster ride of a show. Oh, I love it. Okay. So where was this album born? How long has it been in fruition for? Where like, um,

Some of the songs are super old. One of the songs is like four years old. Oh, wow. It'll be on the deluxe, but it's just one of those ones that I felt like was too soon for the EP. I needed to introduce myself and get that solidified, but now I can kind of venture out into these other worlds that I also am authentically. Right. So it's been like a year and some change of recording, and what I'm really excited about is I feel like

R&B to me is so flexible. It can be in so many different spaces and tempos and subject manners. And I want this album to be like

a representation of all that I feel R&B is to me. Right. Because, yes, I am definitely an R&B artist and I can sing super traditional songs, but I also did a whole world of different exposure. The Disney Channel world. Yeah. Being signed at 14. I mean, I wanted, I saw Hannah Montana and I saw the Chita Girls and Ravens, her debut album. And so there's so much

other pop culture that I was so into that wasn't just traditional R&B. So for me, I'm like, why not lean into all of the things that influenced me now that I've solidified this base and people know that, of course, I love my roots and my culture and everything that I come from. That as well is

I've been at this since I was nine, and I sang a whole different range of songs before I even discovered what R&B sounds like to me as an adult. So it's kind of honoring all those sides of me and just leaning into the authenticity of who I am right now. Oh, that's incredible. You sound so excited about this album. I am. I'm excited, and I'm freaking scared.

Because you can only do a first thing once. I know. First album. And sometimes I feel like maybe I just won't put out an album and I'll be the first girl that got all these awards with no album. But like, come on, girl. I think it's the time, the right time to put out an album.

put my stamp on me and this era of me. Right. And so I'm excited and scared. I feel like people, I mean, I know people are so fucking excited for it. Thank you. I'm so excited for it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Do you have a favorite song on the album or a song you're most excited for people to hear? I mean, of course, Taste, because I feel like that is going to just surprise people a lot. Surprise me. Right, right, right. You just wouldn't expect it. I wasn't expecting that sample. I was like,

Yes. Exactly. So I'm really excited for that. And I think I've kind of been warming people up to that. Like, you know, I had most beautiful design with me and future in London and, and, um, I did like other different sonics, like sweep it up and it was more uptempo and fun and playful. And so I've been warning people, warming people up to like new things from me. Um, I'm excited for that. I'm excited for another song called nobody exists. It's really like this sweet, um,

love type of song that I just, I don't know. It just feels really sweet and gentle. And I just love that. I just love that song. I'm excited for the songs where I'm really talking my shit. I have one song called Keep It Quiet. And it's basically like, if you're going to play, don't play. Because I have an ego too. Like, I'm a big deal too. Don't embarrass me. And I love that. I love the different...

moods of me because I'm not just one note. I'm not very like, you know, I'm a character. There's several different versions of me. So I'm excited to get to display those more. Oh my God. I'm fucking pumped. Thanks, Fran. I'm so excited. Tell me about the music video for Taste. Oh my gosh. Okay. So I definitely challenged myself with this music video for Taste because I wanted to have a very choreo focused video. I feel like

Of course, people know me for my voice and I'm like, but I can also dance. I also had to learn that as a young age. So why can't I do that? So that was really my goal with this one is to push myself and to get out of my comfort zone. Of course, in in the video, it's like definitely more sexy and it's more stunty. Honestly, I didn't even hold you there. There is some acrobatics going on in the room. And what was that like? Honestly, it was.

Hard, but not more hard than I expected it to be. Because I expect things to be way harder. Just so once it's not, I'm like, nice. Right, right. But yeah, definitely my freaking hands were so sore. So basically it was a hoop.

I had an aerialist come in and teach me some stuff to do on the hoop. Yes, bro. And it ended up, I'm so freaking tall. It ended up being too short on the day. So I couldn't do one of my biggest things that was the hardest to learn, which was hanging on the hoop by my freaking legs. Oh, I know. That sounds like something that would happen in Survivor.

I definitely felt like them kids on the monkey bars and I was like, oh, y'all built different. But it was really, really rewarding, you know, to like do all of those days of rehearsals and to like be so sore. But to really just get to see that good payoff. I did amazing choreography. I had like my male partner, you know, we did some five, six, seven and eight choreography.

I feel like we really did it. So it was really, really, really dope. I can't wait for people to like, you know, get their opinions. I'm pumped. Thank you. I feel like I've said I'm pumped four times, but I am. You are. And I love that for you. Thank you. Thank you. So when you were making this album, what were you listening to? Like outside of your own stuff, what were you listening to? That's a great question. Um,

I think what I love to listen to is kind of all over the place. I won't even hold you. I was really into Sabrina Carpenter, of course. SZA, I think, is amazing. I was listening to Kehlani's new project. I love Kehlani. So freaking dope. And I love how she spun R&B to make it her way. And that was really inspiring to see. Dochi has been killing it. And I've been really into her as well. I just like to watch...

Women do their thing and it's not be comparable to anything else because it's just so their thing. And I just love that. That's really inspiring to me. Oh, I love that. And of course, Beyonce, you know, of course, I mean, you knew that you see the Cowboy Carter tour. What? Giddy up. Absolutely. I'm pumped. Did you see Renaissance? Hell yeah. What city did you go to? Houston, baby. Oh, how was it? Oh,

Oh, my God. It was so life-changing and just inspiring to see. I mean, because, first of all, that is a whole black woman bringing the world to her. Right. I just think that's so, so powerful. And she was coming down the little walkway thing, and she winked at me. No! Were you in Club Renaissance? Yes! What's up?

Yes. It was just so, so well done. And I loved the world. I loved wearing silver and I loved seeing that aesthetic. And I love the dedication to changing your outfit every show. Like,

She did do so many fucking outfit changes. That is dedication because I know she's tired. She's still a mother. She's exhausted. Oh, my God. I can't even imagine. I can barely keep up with my own self to have another life on top of this. Like my homegirls and their dogs, I'm like, you guys and your pets. Right. How do you do that? Because I swear my animal wouldn't see the light of day. I wanted a dog so bad. The other day I called Luis and I was like, I really want a dog. I'm going to get a dog. And everyone was like, that dog will die. Oh, my God.

No, is it that bad? Your sketch. But you work from home. It could be right here. No, no, no, no, no, no. See, it's not my sketch. It's who I am. Oh, gosh. You know what I mean? So it's you. It's me. It's like I can't. So I can't even imagine like, you know, Beyonce. You wouldn't feed it? You would forget? I would forget. I know I would forget. I know I would forget. The dog sitting right there in front of you scratching. No, I would just like, I don't know what I would do. I would just be so bad at it. That's hilarious. Are you like a real animal person? Okay.

Yes. Like I love dogs. I love, I love dogs. Now, occasionally I'll see a dog and I'm like, you kind of ate that. Yes. Yes. Like exactly that. Yes. But then I think about like the maintenance of a dog and I'm like, oh, you're just too reliable. Like I need you to find yourself. Yeah. I need you to find yourself and figure it out. No, literally. I'm like, how are you dogs 50 years old and still need help?

How do you get it? Dude, there's nothing like a dog on its deathbed. My fucking dog. Oh, no way we're going there. I guess I set it up with 50 years. Go ahead. Like, my old dog, rest in peace, Katie, was. Katie. I remember at the end of it, we would all look at her, like, me and my friends would be like, why? Like, why is she still alive? You know what I mean? And I would look at my mom like, it's time. Oh, my gosh. Like, we are feeding her 10 pills a day. Like, what? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

I'm absolutely crying. No, because, and then I like booked a trip to New York. I was really feeling myself. Like I was like, let's go to New York this weekend. And then my parents were like, by the way, that weekend you're in New York. She's, she's going forever. And I was like, I was like, are you kidding? So I had to say goodbye to her. I was like, bye Katie. I went to New York. You were packing your bag.

You cheersing your martini? I was like, hi, Katie. I love you. I was like, I love her, but I'm on like meds that don't let me cry. And I was like forcing it. My dad was like, it's fine. Katie was not well. Like Katie was...

I'm like, I don't know how she was still alive. My mom strolled her around in a stroller. Jeez Louise, I ate some cheese. I, oh Katie. Oh my God, Katie. Did you have fun in New York? The best time. I mean, that was an honor of Katie. No, that's what I'm saying. You better go up. I blacked out.

Oh, there he is! I was like, it's time. No, I seriously can't. I feel so, like, I don't know, emotionless because every time a dog started to get old, I was like, somebody take this dog. Yeah.

As literally as a kid, I'm like, I got work to do. Somebody take this dog. I would give dogs away. My thing is like, we're good. Like, you know, long story short, I love dogs. I hate cats. Really? Okay. I don't like cats either. I feel like they have a wicked way about them. A wicked fucking way. It's like, are you going to scratch me? That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't trust you. What are you going to do? And it's like, you're related to a tiger.

Like, do you know what I mean? Yes. And it's like, I'm not friends with a tiger. No, would never. Would never do that. Gorgeous, but like, not too much. But it's like, you can't like cuddle. And people are like, no, you can cuddle with cats. I'm like, but what if it- I don't want to cuddle them. They're all slimy and they have no spine. And they'll like scratch you. Yeah. And it just like bugs me out. No, like, you know what? Literally, my cousins had this cat named Fancy. Fancy?

That girl. Okay, so literally every time I would go to their house, I feel like that cat was out to get me. Yes. Like she would revel in my presence. She'd be like, ah, yes, I need some entertainment. And I would literally like try to be asleep and I'd be like, ah. And I'd hear something, I'd be like, ah. And all I would see was Fancy's green eyes. I was like,

I could not with Fancy. I swear. Me and her had beef. So ever since then, cats aren't my truth. I'm not a cat. Do you have a pet now? I don't. Right. I love my dog that I did give away. I do. But I had to give away. I gave away to my best friend. My best friend loved dogs. She kept in the family. Exactly. I'm like, girl, I'm your auntie that you don't see. Exactly. And that's enough for me. Exactly. I fostered a dog for two days in college. 48 hours. It was kimchi and honey.

That's the name of it? Kimchi and Honey. They were twins. Oh, it was two of them. And it didn't match. Yeah, it just wasn't your truth. So why would you want another dog now? Because I have a backyard. Okay. I actually did have a backyard then too. Okay. But I was a college student. I was messy. Okay. I says I still kind of am messy. Okay. So resounding, it's giving no. It's not. It's giving no. It's not your truth. But I do like them little. You seen those little robots that look like they little pets?

Not the ones from literally 2004. The ones with the ears. I love those. The ones that play music. They were sickening. I'd be like, in five, six, hit it, hit it. Which one? Do you know what she's talking about?

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Okay? Mm-hmm. And then we'll prescribe them something. Prescribe them something? A drug? Like, well, it could be, but it's like, I hate this guy. Okay. And he's with this new girl, and I don't know what to do. Oh, my God. So funny you say that. I prescribe you Tummy Hurts remix featuring Coco Jones. Oh, okay, purr. You know what I mean? The music medicine. Yes. I like that. Or TV medicine. Ooh.

Wait, I've never even asked you, what do you watch? Okay, so actually right now I'm throwing it all the way back to Bridgerton season one. Never seen Bridgerton. Did you ever watch Baby Reindeer? Of course. Of course, that one was a gag. And my go-to comfort is two things, The Office and Broad City. I love, have you ever seen Girls? Girls? With Lena Dunham?

Yes, but I can't remember it. I can't remember if I watched the whole episode or if I watched the trailer. I can't remember. But Broad City is my girl. Why do you say that? Because Broad City and Girls gives me a little – Broad City is a little goofier, but now that you're in your 20s, Girls hits different.

Really? Different. I would have to get into that. Yeah, I think you'd like it. It's great. It's one of my favorite shows of all time. Is it like dry comedy? I love those. Yeah. I love those. It's like dry. Not as dry as Broad City because Broad City is like ultimate dry. Yeah, no, seriously. It'd be like, what? Who wrote that? Who wrote that? They're amazing. They're so funny. They're amazing. I love Broad City. My roommate is in love with me. Oh. He told my other roommate that he wanted to confess his feelings to me, but I do not feel the same, and now I'm dreading the uncomfortableness.

Treading the uncomfortableness. You know what? Honestly, truly, babe, sometimes you got to be a little uncomfortable to have the necessary conversations. And I feel like tell him up front, hey,

Not me. Hey, soul sister. Hey there, Mr. Mr. Okay. Radio. Stereo. The way you move ain't fair, you know. But, you know, be honest. Because I think that, although it's uncomfortable, will lead to getting everything out, squashing it, moving on. And maybe y'all might have to find somewhere new to live. Ha!

Are you good at having uncomfortable conversations? I do think I am good at them. I'm horrible. Really? Yes. I used to be very avoidant of stuff like that, but I used to have this one friend who was just so confrontational about everything. She'd be like, hey, so the way you said that, it really bothered me. What? And I'm like, wow, I'm so sorry. But... Then I'm also like, good for you. Are you still friends with them? No. Wow. Too many problems, man. Well, come on now, okay? No, but it did teach me a lot about...

It's just saying how you feel. Right. Saying how you feel because worst case scenario, you get it out and you don't have a good reaction. But, you know, at least you get it out. I always feel the need to say sorry.

I'm really OCD, so I'll be like, sorry, sorry. Like, I need to squash everything and make sure, like, we're good. There's no bad blood. You're feeling fine. I'm feeling fine. Like, we're good. You need to read, can we prescribe them a book? Yes. Okay, the book we can prescribe them is called something about not nice. Not nice. I think that's what it's called. About stop people pleasing. Don't worry about that man, that roommate. Tell him.

Tell him what you think. He's a grown person who will handle his emotions. I don't know if it's a you, but you know. Not nice. Mm-hmm. Or something, is it something fucking nice? No, baby. Okay. It's definitely not. Jake, an amazing guest. Hey. When I'm drunk, I always cry. Ooh. But not like a pretty cry, like ugly sobbing crying. It's so embarrassing, and I don't want to stop drinking when I go out, but I don't want literally every person I go out with to have to take care of this big baby. Ha!

Girl, L-O-L-O-L. Just switch your alcohol. Sounds like you're drinking tequila or vodka and one of them is not resonating with you. That's a good solution. I was going to say maybe a little less drinks. Oh. Because what are you crying about? Right? You know, after one drink, you're not crying. Right. After two, are you welling up? After three, you're bawling? Hold on. Go back to two. Do you cry a lot?

Neither do I. I haven't cried in five years. Okay, I'm different than that. That is powerful. No, well, I'm on medication. Stop it. Oh, yes, of course. But the last time I cried, it was like... The forced one for Katie. It was, yes. Was it that one? I was like...

Like the thing is, I felt it for her. Yeah. I felt it. I just can't come out. Woo. That man is powerful. I know. What in the world? I know. Is the good outweighing the bad? Because not being able to cry is, I'm like, I would hate to not be able to cry. It feels good. And it's funny you mention that because I actually was talking to my therapist today. I think I tapered down on my meds.

So I think I'm going to do that. Yeah. I think you should be able to cry. Yeah, my dad is like, hey, it's Big Pharma. He's like, you need to taper down on these beds. LOL. I mean, yeah, I think you should be able to shed one tear at least. Yeah, right. Your eyes get soggy. Like, I'll feel it right here.

In the tear ducts below the eye surface? Like, I'll feel it, like, right here. Oh, my God. The nerves are telling you to build water product today. You don't watch Housewives, do you? I don't. Oh, my God. Okay. So, on Salt Lake City, there was this very beautiful moment with Mary and her son, and I got very emotional during that. Wait a dang minute.

Was that the one and he had the drug issue? Yes. I know exactly what you're talking about. I don't watch, but I seen that clip and was bawling. Powerful. That takes some courage to do that on national television. And also, I just think she did a great job as a mom. Yeah. She was so welcoming and nonjudgmental and it honestly reminded me of my mom. And having that safe space and

God, I was literally bawling. That's crazy that you mentioned that because I know exactly what you mean there. It was such a moment. It was one of the realest moments in Housewives ever. Like I'm a big Housewives fan and you just felt how real it was. Wow. And it was just like so, oh God. And Mary, Mary used to be like, people used to really struggle with her and she just had this like crazy redemption these past two seasons. Yes, like crazy redemption. Wow. Wow.

- Wow. Just what happened? - She was just herself.

So she was like, you don't like me for being myself. Okay. I'm going to come back on the show and still do exactly what I did. Her Mary. Because everyone, she left and then everyone was like, wait, we miss Mary. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's really dope. It was kind of dope. Yeah. She marries the best. I love Mary. Wow. I can't make this up. I was in the gym on the Stairmaster when I felt the need to poo. But before I could even hit the stop button, I had shit my pants in a packed gym.

It smelt and I had to run while holding my butt. So everyone basically knew it was me. I don't know how to help you. Medical. That one's medical. I think that's the ER. The song would be ICU. No, I'm just kidding. I love that song. Thank you. I don't know what happened. Maybe they had some bad pre-workout or something. Do you drink pre-workout?

I try to not because I know I want to have coffee when I'm done with my workout. And I'm like, I don't want to have a coffee drink and then a coffee. Double. Yeah, that's not my truth. Oh, yeah. Do you drink it? Mm-hmm. Babe, what now? No, honestly, truly, we're getting up there in age. Yeah. We need to start researching these things. That's what I'm thinking, too. My dad, if my dad knew, oh, my God, God bless him. He's alive, sorry. God bless him. He's great.

I took an ancestry DNA test just for fun and to see where I'm from, but I ended up finding out that my dad isn't actually my biological father. What the fuck do I do? Wait, and then what? Okay, but respectfully, do we believe the ancestry things? No, I was just thinking that. Okay, okay. I don't. How is that right? I don't know. Also, you're not supposed to give your DNA to those sites. It's very sus.

See, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. That could be a hacker telling you who he wants to be your dad. I prescribe an uncomfortable conversation. I prescribe some research. Just like that friend you used to have. Right. Right. I don't know about that one. I don't know about that. You wouldn't be like, hey, what's up? To the person.

person you saw on the internet as your dad? I would maybe bring it to my mom. And I'd be like, Jess, bringing this to you. Yeah. Give me the real. Or like, yeah, you know what? I was about to do something so non-transparent. I was going to be like, I just met this guy the other day. And do you know who this is? And just see their reaction. But you're right. It should be the more honest way. No, the mom. Just be like, hey. And if she lies, be like, cross that bridge when you get there. Right, right, right, right. Maybe she'll be honest. Yes. Maybe she'll be honest. I prescribe maybe Switched at Birth.

Do you remember that show? Yes, I do. Was that ABC Family? Yes. Yes. Wait, but you know the one that had me so bad? Pretty Little Liars? Girl, no. Make It or Break It? No. Secret Life of an American Teenager? Thank you. Yes. I was like, woo, y'all carrying a lot of stress. Somebody needs to talk to somebody. Where are all the adults in the room? Oh, that show fucked. That show was...

Like, it was, like, good. Okay, per, yes. Yes. Oh, I loved Pretty Little Liars, though. Oh, I wanted that to be my life so bad. I'm so unpopular opinion, I've never got into it. Ever? I don't know what happened. You ever try? I didn't even try. I think it's because Gossip Girl, go piss, girl. Gossip Girl.

I think it's because Gossip Girl had me in such a choke. I was like, I think I'm settled on this whole world. I'm off that whole world. Right. You know? Like, Twilight had me so fulfilled that I was like, I don't even want to get into none of these other things. Like, you're good. I'm good. Did you ever do the 90210 reboot? I did not. That show grabbed me by my neck. Yeah? I didn't let go. In a great way? It was the best show I've ever seen in my life.

So the reboot. The reboot. Wow. How far apart is the reboot from the original? 30 years. Oh, okay. So they were still young and hot. No, no, no. It was like. Did you say 30 years? Yeah. Look, it was a completely new cast with a few same people. I thought you said three. No, 30. Oh my God. Did you ever watch Degrassi? I did. That was my shit. I did get into it, but I feel like it was a little bit.

above my age. It was for me too. By the time I got into it, I was like, hmm, this seems to have a lot of history, this show, but I don't know the history. Oh, I was like up there. I knew Drake from Degrassi. Wow. And then he wanted to, there was a whole storyline on the show. He wanted to become a rapper. No way. I swear, if I'm remembering this correctly, he wanted to become a rapper. He had this girlfriend with really short hair. She really believed in him, but he was in a wheelchair. And then all of a sudden, he left the show and was Drake.

So he just abruptly left. Yeah, I think he like left to pursue his dreams on the show. If I remember correctly. But like, did you ever watch it with him on it? I didn't watch it with him on it. I only watched like the clips that have him on it. But no, I didn't get into it to that degree. I was so into Degrassi. Wow. So wait, when Drake's music came out, what did you think of it? I was like, that's Jimmy from Degrassi. Were you like, stop it, Jimmy. Yes, I was like. Hold on, Drake. Because I was like on the show, I was like, oh, like.

Okay, like Jimmy's gone now. Yeah. Because there was always characters in and out of the show. Yeah. And then I used to watch VH, a lot of people did MTV. I was a big VH1 kid. So every morning I would watch the music videos on VH1. Oh, pervert. And then I remember seeing Best I Ever Had and I was like, what? No way. Swear. So at first you were like, huh. I was like, that's Jimmy. Yeah.

And then I was like, oh, cool. And then he kept coming and coming and coming. And then he was right. Right, right, right. Honestly, I think I commend the pivot. Here it is again. But like being able to rebrand yourself. What the? Right. Like so hard. Like imagine McDonald's trying to sell us spaghetti. We'd be like, cut it out.

Like, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like that is like one of the biggest challenges that you can do. And I study that so much. Like, of course, like somebody like Drake or Christina Aguilera, like Justin Timberlake that came from Disney, Miley Cyrus. Right. How? Like, it's just such a challenge, you know? Sabrina Carpenter. Sabrina Carpenter. It's such a, it's a skill. You. Me?

Me too. Thank God. So many people came from the USA, including the girl on 90210. Wow. And 30 Years Apart is iconic. I got to look into this. No, it is the best show I've ever seen in my entire life. I cannot believe that. I can't believe that. I used to watch it and play video games at the same time. Okay. Yeah. I remember being like, this show fucks. You and this one, I cannot. I've never heard...

that be the way that something is described? What, like it fucks? Yeah. Like, what happened to it eats? It just completely skipped the meal. No, it like tastes fucks. Okay, per. Yeah. Thank you. Tastes fucks. Thank you so much. Yeah. Love your isms. Is that Taylor Swift right there on that thing? Looking sexy like that? We actually got it today. She gagged the hell out of me. Right? Come on, sexy. Right?

I cannot for the life of me find roommates I really like. Like, everyone is either a little too messy, a little too needy, or just straight up wild. You know what, girl? You might need a little self-reflection because honestly, truly, I feel like everybody's going to have something you don't like. If you are constantly finding yourself hating someone...

Girl. Inward. Hello? Or maybe just live alone. It's not that serious. Yeah, definitely consider that one for sure. It's like, why do you keep trying? Yeah. But also, I think it's a good lesson. It's a good lesson to be around people because relationships help you grow. And I do feel like, at least for me, I hold everyone to the standard of myself. I'm like, but I do it like this, so why wouldn't you? Right. And I'm like, that's not fair, babe. Right. That's not fair. Completely different experiences and upbringing. Relax. So true. How old were you when you realized that? Um...

Last year. And maybe like a year before that. But I've been in therapy for five years, four or five years. And I think now as I'm getting older, I'm kind of asking myself like which relationships are meant to like really stay. And also as I'm getting into a different field of relevancy, which relationships can stay. Some don't. Some can't. Some fade away. You know? Right. Right.

I don't know what we can prescribe her all alone again. Or, yeah. Yeah. I've always wanted to be an actor slash influencer, but I'm too worried people I know will judge me. How did you get over the fear of people judging you when you post online? Okay, so it's very different for you. You started when you were nine. Did you ever have that worry? I definitely got...

I would say for sure embarrassed when it went from like, woo to woo, you know, but I was still like, I still have to post. I still want to do covers and I still want to make music and I still want to do these things that are important to me, but it's just like, nobody cares right now. So I definitely feel like I had this time where I was like, dang, um,

Maybe I should just stop. Maybe I should just wait until people care again. I would sometimes say, I'll just wait until I get my next big thing, whatever that is, and that's when I'll start

and posting and being creative and, you know what I'm saying, and being inspired and putting it out into the world. But that's just not going to work, you know? Right, you have to do it now. Yeah, what about you? Mine was, it really, I will always credit my friends for it. It's the people you surround yourself with and you will always remember the people that didn't support you and made fun of you behind your back. First of all, you always know. And second of all, you will always, always remember the people that supported you. I'm so lucky that my friends supported

Never made me feel weird about it. They were just like, we'll look back on it and be like, oh, that was so stupid. But in the moment, they were cheering me on. It's just about who you surround yourself with. If you want to do it and the people you're around are like, that's weird, maybe reevaluate who you're spending time with. Do you feel like a lot of your friends from that era of you are still your friends now? Yeah, still. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, that's awesome. I love that for you. They were really my number one supporter.

Yes. I mean, even Louise has been with me since day one. And I mean, looking back at it, I'm like, God, I was so delusional. Wow. That's awesome. I love that, actually. Yeah. That's so dope. You need to be delusional. Yes. And you need people that are delusional with you. Yes. What's the fun? That's real. That is so real. That was our last one. Hey, man. Go, go. Go, go.

What did we learn today? Honestly, I learned a new term. Oh, it's Fox. Yeah, that one. I learned about Katie and I can't wait to, you know, one day meet her up there in the stars. Yeah. Just that I heard you guys talking shit about me on that podcast. Katie was all love. Katie was all love. But no, I learned that I really love spending time with you. Thank you for talking with me. I learned that I...

I haven't had this much fun with someone in so long, Coco. Oh my God. Like really and truly, I haven't laughed this long in so long. You are so fucking awesome. Thank you. And you are too. Congrats on honestly your platform. I really love this for you. Thank you. Congrats on your album. Thank you. And your upcoming tour. You going to be there at a show? Yes, I will be at a show. Thank you. I will be at the one in ST. I know that's right. Thank you.

Period. Thank you so much. Thank you. Want to give a little bye, pussies? Yes, bye, girly girls. Love y'all. Stream my album. Don't play. He's got you up. He's slaying and he's shook. It's therapist, therapist, therapist, therapist.

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