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Catherine Kalaitis
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Noelle
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Terence Sweeney
Noelle: 我分享了一些关于新教皇的趣闻轶事，例如他喜欢白袜队、秘鲁菜和圣诞电影。这为讨论他关于移民的观点奠定了轻松的基调。
Terence Sweeney: 我对新教皇既感到惊讶又不出奇。他是一位奥古斯丁会修士，在秘鲁的贫困地区从事传教工作多年。他的经历是独一无二的，此前从未有过教皇拥有这样的经历。他选择“利奥”这个名字，既有传统的一面，也有进步的一面，因为他延续了弗朗西斯教皇的一些做法。奥古斯丁会的核心原则包括群体生活、重视心灵联系以及传教。“爱的秩序”是奥古斯丁会的重要理念，强调扩展爱心，接纳所有人，特别是弱势群体。副总统JD Vance对“爱的秩序”的理解与奥古斯丁会的理念有所偏差，而新教皇则支持扩展爱心的理念，这从他转发批评Vance的文章可以看出。他将履行先知性的职责，在包括移民、堕胎等问题上发声。
Catherine Kalaitis: 美国大约有5300万天主教徒，占人口的20%，但这一数字正在下降。美国对天主教徒的态度已经发生了变化，这部分归功于保守天主教徒和福音派之间的联盟。近年来，许多政治上保守的白人皈依者加入了天主教，这导致了教派内部的紧张关系。“皈依天主教徒”与“世袭天主教徒”的信仰体验存在差异。“世袭天主教徒”的信仰体验是浸润在文化背景中的，而“皈依天主教徒”的信仰体验则与美国文化政治背景密切相关。“皈依天主教徒”往往带着既定的世界观加入天主教，这与“世袭天主教徒”的信仰体验不同。“世袭天主教徒”的信仰体验更侧重于社区和慈善，而“皈依天主教徒”则更注重教义和文本解读。一些“皈依天主教徒”的信仰方式与大多数“世袭天主教徒”的信仰体验不同。“皈依天主教徒”与“世袭天主教徒”之间的紧张关系主要体现在网络上，但在现实生活中也存在。教区通常被分为“世袭天主教徒”和“皈依天主教徒”两类，他们很少在现实生活中相遇。“皈依天主教徒”选择天主教的原因是其反现代主义的倾向。教皇的任务是将现代性带入天主教，这与一些“皈依天主教徒”的观点相冲突。天主教需要改革才能保持其相关性。天主教的改革需要平衡传统和进步，这将导致一些“皈依天主教徒”的失望。利奥十四世有能力在“世袭天主教徒”和“皈依天主教徒”之间架起桥梁，因为他是一位机构性候选人，拥有在不同立场之间建立桥梁的能力。他可能会继续弗朗西斯教皇的策略，将牧灵同情与教义保守主义结合起来。
Sean Rameswaram: (节目结尾的总结性发言，没有核心论点)
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Terence Sweeney: 'I was both surprised and not surprised...'
Terence Sweeney: 'Yeah, Prevost is a kid who grew up in Chicago...'
Terence Sweeney: 'In the missions in Peru...'
Terence Sweeney: 'When Pope Francis died...'
Terence Sweeney: 'He's kind of closely identifying with...'
Terence Sweeney: 'What is an Augustinian exactly? The Augustinians are a group of...'
Terence Sweeney: 'So after Robert Prevost was chosen yesterday...'
Terence Sweeney: 'It's this idea in many ways that our hearts need to grow...'
Terence Sweeney: 'But he's kind of missing the point of the order of loves...'
Terence Sweeney: 'I think that he sees that his office as a bishop...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'It feels like the first ever American pope presents us with an opportunity to speak about Catholicism in America.'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'How many Americans are Catholic? There's roughly 53 million Catholics in America.'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'Which is, you know, about 20 percent of the country...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'You know, it was a real problem if your kid came home and wanted to marry a Catholic and all these things...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'cradle Catholics and converted Catholics? Tell us more about that...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'These converts are very specific type, right?...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'you're embedded in this cultural context that the church is part of...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'And you're not coming to Catholic theology looking for a justification for your oftentimes very traditional worldview...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'So it's kind of like if you were baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'Every lifelong Catholic I've ever met is like...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'and about going to Mass because it comforts you, and charity a lot...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'You point out in your piece for Vox that while there aren't tons of Catholic converts out there...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'So in real life, these people aren't often encountering each other...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'What you think is this idealized medieval whatever you've made up in your head...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'So if you have come to believe that the problem with the world is modernity and change...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'And yet it seems like the job of the Pope in this day and age is to bring modernity to the Catholic Church...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'the church is going to have to reform...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'that to keep those cradle Catholics within the fold of the church...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'And I read that the initial reaction out there in Vatican City...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'He is, if not a compromise candidate, he is an institutional candidate...'
Catherine Kalaitis: 'I think, you know, I mean, I'm glad I'm not Pope to do that...'
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