We're sunsetting PodQuest on 2025-07-28. Thank you for your support!
Export Podcast Subscriptions
cover of episode The $2tn man

The $2tn man

2024/10/17
logo of podcast Unhedged

Unhedged

AI Deep Dive AI Insights AI Chapters Transcript
People
N
Nicolai Tangen
领导世界最大主权财富基金,应对经济挑战和地缘政治冲突。
Topics
Nicolai Tangen: 挪威石油基金的成功之处在于其纪律性的投资策略和广泛的政治支持,避免了过度国内消费石油收入的问题,即所谓的“荷兰病”。基金的运作遵循严格的财政部授权,并致力于长期投资和全球多元化。他认为,尽管近期风险资产表现良好,但未来仍将面临低回报时期,这与低利率时代的结束和全球地缘政治风险上升有关。他特别关注美国股票市场的集中度,认为其与少数几家科技公司密切相关,并存在潜在的风险。他还指出欧洲在科技创新方面落后于美国,部分原因是监管过多,导致投资回报率低于美国。他认为,气候变化和巨额财政赤字是通货膨胀的两个新因素,全球巨额债务是目前市场面临的最大风险。他还谈到了对可再生能源基础设施投资的兴趣,以及挪威石油基金正在考虑投资私募股权基金的可能性。最后,他表达了对学习的热爱和对官僚主义和繁文缛节的厌恶。 Katie Martin: Katie Martin主要负责引导访谈,提出问题,并对Nicolai Tangen的观点进行回应和补充。她与Nicolai Tangen讨论了挪威石油基金的运作模式、全球经济形势、地缘政治风险、以及欧洲经济的挑战等话题。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

What is the Norwegian Oil Fund and how did it originate?

The Norwegian Oil Fund was established in 1996 using money earned from oil drilling off the Norwegian coast. It was created to avoid the 'Dutch disease' seen in other countries, where excessive domestic spending led to economic issues.

What is the current size of the Norwegian Oil Fund?

The fund has grown from an initial investment of 2 billion Norwegian kroner in 1996 to 19,000 billion kroner, making it the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world.

What is the spending rule for the Norwegian Oil Fund?

The fund has a spending rule that limits annual withdrawals to 3% of its total value, ensuring long-term sustainability.

How does the Norwegian Oil Fund's structure differ from a hedge fund?

Unlike a hedge fund, the Norwegian Oil Fund operates under a strict mandate from the Ministry of Finance and is run by a team of 700 people, rather than being solely performance-driven.

Why does Nicolai Tangen believe returns will be low in the future?

Tangen believes low returns are likely due to the end of low-interest-rate periods, a more dangerous global environment, and market concentration in a few large companies with AI connections.

What concerns Nicolai Tangen about market concentration in the US?

Tangen is concerned about the concentration of the US market in a few large companies, particularly those tied to microchips, which are crucial for global supply chains and vulnerable to geopolitical risks.

Why does Nicolai Tangen think Europe is lagging in tech innovation?

Tangen believes Europe is behind in tech innovation due to a lack of large tech companies, excessive regulation, and a different industrial policy mindset compared to the US.

What does Nicolai Tangen think about Mario Draghi's report on European economic potential?

Tangen considers Draghi's report well-thought-out and important, but he is skeptical about Europe's ability to implement the necessary changes to boost innovation and economic growth.

What does Nicolai Tangen see as the biggest risk to global markets?

Tangen identifies the potential loss of appetite for global state debt, currently at $100 trillion, as the biggest risk, as it could lead to sudden, violent market moves similar to those seen in the UK.

How does Nicolai Tangen view the UK as a place to do business?

Tangen believes the UK is a good place to do business, with many strong global companies, but acknowledges that its allocation in the fund is relatively small due to its size compared to the MSCI world index.

What is Nicolai Tangen's stance on private equity in the Norwegian Oil Fund?

Tangen suggests that the fund may consider investing in private equity if allowed, as current challenges in the private equity market could present opportunities in the next five to ten years.

What does Nicolai Tangen value in potential asset managers for the Norwegian Oil Fund?

Tangen values asset managers who perform well, have a strong strategy, a robust process, and are highly ethical and focused on ESG considerations.

How does Nicolai Tangen view the impact of the US election on asset prices?

Tangen believes the US election's impact on asset prices is likely to be minimal, as the market appears agnostic to the election outcome and focuses more on company performance.

What does Nicolai Tangen love and hate in his personal life?

Tangen loves learning and values continuous education, while he dislikes bureaucracy and red tape, which he sees as a hindrance to business in Europe.

Chapters
This chapter explores the immense responsibility of managing Norway's $2 trillion oil fund. It delves into the fund's history, its size, and the unique challenges and privileges associated with overseeing such a massive asset.
  • The Norwegian Oil Fund, managed by Nicolai Tangen, holds approximately $2 trillion in assets.
  • It owns about 1.5% of every listed company globally.
  • The fund's spending is limited to 3% annually, and its management is guided by a strict mandate from the Ministry of Finance.

Shownotes Transcript

Nicolai Tangen oversees Norges Bank Investment Management, also known as Norway’s oil fund. It contains about $2tn in assets, based on money earned from drilling for oil offseas. Today on the show, Tangen talks with Katie Martin about everything from the European economy to China and Taiwan to overconcentration in the American stock markets. Also, Tangen goes long learning and short red tape. 

For a free 30-day trial to the Unhedged newsletter go to: https://www.ft.com/unhedgedoffer)

You can email Robert Armstrong at [email protected]) and Katie Martin at [email protected]). 

Unhedged has been nominated for a Signal Award! You can vote for us here: https://vote.signalaward.com/PublicVoting#/2024/shows/general/money-finance)

**Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com**) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy) for more information.