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What Trump's Win Means for Jan 6 Rioters

2025/1/6
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Jane Koston: 国会认证特朗普胜选与1月6日事件四周年同日，引发了对1月6日参与者未来命运的诸多疑问，特别是特朗普是否会赦免他们，以及公众对该事件认知的转变。这其中涉及到对美国民主制度的冲击和未来潜在风险的担忧。 Hannah Rosen: 通过与居住在她附近的"1月6日正义"运动支持者的接触，深入了解了该运动的观点和目标。她发现，这些支持者坚信特朗普会赦免他们，并且他们希望彻底改变人们对1月6日事件的认知，将参与者塑造成英雄或受害者。她对这种历史叙事的重写表示担忧，认为这会对美国的未来造成深远的影响。 Michael Fanone: 作为一名在1月6日事件中遭受袭击的警察，他分享了事件中执法人员面临的危险和挑战。他认为，美国的政治已经走向暴力化，并且对那些对政治暴力漠不关心的人感到失望。他认为，美国并非一个例外国家，同样容易受到民主制度的缺陷的影响。

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How many people have been charged with crimes related to the January 6th insurrection?

Almost 1,500 people have been charged with crimes for their actions on January 6th, 2021. Close to 900 of them pleaded guilty, and around 200 were found guilty at trial. Over 500 people have served or are still serving time in prison.

What are the expectations of the Justice for January 6th movement regarding Trump's potential pardons?

The Justice for January 6th movement expects Trump to pardon all of them. They believe he will pardon nearly everyone involved, except possibly a few individuals who received the harshest sentences for beating up police officers. They have met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and feel confident in his support.

What does the Justice for January 6th movement want beyond pardons?

Beyond pardons, the movement wants a complete revision of the narrative surrounding January 6th. They seek to establish an accepted understanding that their actions were noble and heroic, rather than criminal. They aim to flip the public perception of the insurrection to portray themselves as victims of the deep state.

What was Michael Fanone's experience during the January 6th insurrection?

Michael Fanone, a former D.C. Metropolitan Police officer, faced violent rioters who attempted to kill him. He described being attacked by individuals who chanted, 'Get his gun and kill him with his own gun.' Fanone retired from the police force in 2021, deeply affected by the events of that day.

What lessons did Michael Fanone take away from the January 6th insurrection?

Michael Fanone learned that America is not an exceptional country and is susceptible to the same democratic pitfalls as older nations. He emphasized the importance of standing up for the rule of law and the Constitution, criticizing the indifference and cowardice he sees in many Americans.

How does Hannah Rosen describe the Justice for January 6th movement's relationship with Trump?

Hannah Rosen notes that the movement has met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and believes he will pardon them. While Trump has not made explicit promises, he has indicated a case-by-case approach, leading the movement to expect widespread pardons.

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This chapter covers various news items, including President Biden's actions such as awarding medals and increasing Social Security benefits, the swearing-in of a new Congress, and other miscellaneous news.
  • President Biden's actions: medals and Social Security benefits
  • New Congress sworn in with Republican majorities
  • Elon Musk's online fight
  • Other miscellaneous news items

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Congress is set to certify President-elect Donald Trump's victory today, on the four-year anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection. Since then, almost 1,500 people have been charged with crimes for their actions that day, and more than 500 people have served — or are still serving — time in prison. Not Trump, though. He's managed to avoid any real consequences for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Hanna Rosin, co-host of The Atlantic's narrative podcast 'We Live Here Now,' joins us to reflect on the Jan. 6 anniversary and what Trump's reelection means for the rioters. 

Later in the show, a former D.C. metropolitan police officer who was at the Capitol during the insurrection talks about what he saw that day.

And in headlines: The FBI shared more details about the man they say planned the New Orleans terrorist attack, A New York judge upheld Trump's felony conviction and set a sentencing date in his hush money case, and funeral services began for former President Jimmy Carter.

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