Did OpenAI STEAL Scarlett Johansson's Voice?! | PIRATE WIRES EP#54
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are you doing? I'm doing fantastic.

Thanks for asking hand voice to make A I S. That sounded like the girl from her. I'll get, listen to the voice. IT sounds nothing like scatter hanson in the first place when .

for docks bef chaos, they found that IT was two million, nine hundred, fifty four thousand and eight hundred, and seventy times more likely that the speaker in one recording of jaso s was very done. We know that. Msm, good. Like, check if this is actually scarlet to hands. S, I can't .

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What's up, guys? Welcome back to the pod. We are talking about scalzo hands in verse OpenAI because what else are you talking about today? The question is, did sam almonds steel scarlets o hands and voice to create A I assistance that sounded like the girl from her? And um that sort of roughly with the controversy is we're going to wide back.

So couple we go and we've been talking about this quite a lot or just last week, we talked about this for a huge portion of the chat we have um a really incredible AI assistant. So the innovation of an AI assistant that sounds like a human that is able to interact, or at least some of um so of read the physical world as well as list to your voice as well as retains and interact with you really sort of almost like a human not yet able to do things for you. That's probably be coming next.

We'll see what that looks like when the time arises. But for now, I was just a sort of a very exciting demo. And in the demo the woman sounded um like a sort of millennial forty old woman, I would say um a lot of people referred back to the movie her, which is one of my favorite movies of all time.

Um this is despite jone's movie about the A I assistant are who the protected ist of the movie falls in love with. And there was a question almost immediately of, did IT maybe not sound a little too much like scarves, ge your hands? This is a question that became much more serious.

Once open, a cancelled the, what was this girl's name? What was the name of this? The sky, sky. So OpenAI cancel sky.

And they say they ort of make IT very clear that he had nothing to do with college. Your handsome. And they sort of like cancellation letter and everyone is like in what's about that? Let's double click on that one. So immediately following that, after our show aid, uh, scratch your hands and is is issued a statement that says open the eye actually went to her and asked her to be the voice of this chatbot again through your hand in the star of the movie her, uh, clearly sam was obsess with her because he waited about her.

He treated her directly following the release of his chabot and now suddenly IT seems so so they want to score IT score its no and so now suddenly IT really does seem like um SHE said no, they close their voice and uh that's really fucked and evil um she's showing them is a huge controversy um but I listened to i'll get listen to the voice IT sounds nothing like scarlets hanson in the first place so I I really found the story pretty strange IT was that that almost as if people were not listening to the voice at all, they were just reading the headlines and they wanted to hate open the iron sams so yes, he closed scarlet, your hands and voice. I think there are interesting reasons for that, which we we're going to get into in a minute. Te as well as you know european, an surgeon on your opinion, brand in on the whole thing.

But one very interesting thing that happened just this morning um I just kind of learned about IT minutes before I started recording restoring the washington post which actually details h IT were provides to say a little more context on all of this the voice actor who played um the A I or not played who who recorded who who is now used in the A I clone the AI assistant was hired before scar anyone ever reached out to scarf at your handsome natacha tio the river? The post has a lot of emails sort of going back and forth from the construction of this and the timeline of the deals here uh also no evidence that the voice actor was instructed to sound more like college hanson in her. Anybody else was instructed to make a sound like college or hand in her.

I really don't think we've everything here. Who knows what could have happened behind the scenes? Um I don't even know if this voice actress sounds like free of voice modification, have no idea but certainly the story is not so cut and dry as like couldn't get scarred your hands and so we clown her voice which again sounds nothing like her and now we know IT shouldn't because there was a human who was voice acting this character um whole thing feels crazy to me a lot of interesting cultural cuts here and let you guys taken away with your your first cut um first first thoughts .

on the controversy as I emerged I thought IT was kind of annoying that I got abstracted into a me tube narrative right away like where to hanson totally Scotto. Hanson was being taken advantage of by a .

gay twin class, a classic me too, a classic me. It's always a gay twink.

And did you go to see that that guy who wait today, what was his name like David, Robert? Here's something like that. He's like, it's crazy to me that A I is so popular because nobody wants IT and is mostly White men who like IT he's gotten totally ratio met.

You can pull IT up. But now like there, I feel like a lot of people in on the meet you camper, like putting point on the board, have gained the like nobody's planning anymore using the scarlet's hands and like thing, which I know just Frankly annoying as I can go away. But none of the mainstream coverage actually discussed whether or not scala johanson really did sound like sky, like nobody was like, look like he doesn't IT doesn't really sound like sky.

Don't you right now might play a recording of both? Just play. chat. P, T. Are you doing?

I'm doing. fantastic.

Thanks for asking. Oh, a.

that time story about robots and love. I got you covered. I was last in paris.

I spent some time in paris over the summer. I was very quiet. I just like to walk around the city when I hear it's so beautiful.

Wo right? When you asked me if I had a name, I thought, yeah, he's right. I do need a name, but I wanted to pick a good one. So book called, had a name, your baby and out of one hundred eighty thousand names.

That's the one I like the best gather around bear IT once upon a time in a world not too different from ours.

Here's the point I wanted to make with me when form stocks bef chaos um they literally got the the director of the national center for media forensics to compare audio recordings of jesus and talks given by girl very dawn， who is who is jesus? And this is a quote from the article they found that IT was two million nine hundred fifty, four thousand and eight hundred, and seventy times more likely that the speaker in one recording of jesus was very done, that I could have been any other person. So like, we know that msm could like check if this is actually scarlets Johnson's voice for, like nobody's doing IT and that seems to me .

to be no is he has to do IT because listens to IT knows immediately that is not even close to her voice, is just a White woman speaking with a little bit of vocal ry, which is like every White woman over the age of thirty. So what are we doing here? It's complete fine land.

I mean, they really played himself because he had these conversations with her. Then the recordings come out. Whatever doesn't selling like to hand, but IT IT doesn't like her. It's A A woman's voice.

Who is your assistant? That is always we always get her a brought up in the in the AI conversation then he goes and he tweet and what's you tweet that? Um now garland as a case, I think saga, what do you make of this?

Yeah it's going to say I think I mean, IT doesn't sound like her at all. I think the whole thing is kind of like cracked up. I can't believe that her close friends actually think that sounds like her. It's actually really like offensive because .

IT seems .

offensive on the part of her friends to say that. But it's true that I mean, there's there's an article and verge that discusses some of the legal precedents here. And apparently the eighties, a people like Betty middle arn, tom weights actually successfully sued in the california court system.

So always has to have a little bit of a caviar. But they successfully sued uh, ad companies that got voice actors and instructed them to imitate their voices uh or there sort of mannish in ads um and there there was like explicit they could show that there was explicit intent to imitate their materials and lightness. Ss, and I think sam tweet unfortunately lends credence to the idea that there might have been explicit in ten, even if there wasn't necessarily even if the final product isn't at all like a scarlet johanson sounded like.

Um so I think it's interesting that this case could actually have legal legs if SHE actually decides to pursue IT. The thing I found more worrying about her letter is that he said he wants to help like contribute to legislation that's going to restrict the creation of like A I that violates intellectual property, which I think there does need to be a sort of thoughtful conversation and may be even some legislation about deep fakes but i'm not convinced that scarlet johansson is the right person to be leading this charge on the basis of this clearly specious comparison. Um I think it's a little bit worrying onest.

Ly, I think it's never good to be passing legislation in the midst of a heated controversy. And I think there are a lot of people who are ambivalent on this question and I am not ambivalent at all. That to me is really free hey idea that my voice could be taken from me um and that of course is I think maybe not. Of course, I believe that that's the anxiety that feeling this entire debate is that people sort of at this point understand that this is the kind of thing that could be happening.

The deep fakes that you mention some gina, we've seen that in the context uh it's easy in the context of point to understand how scary that is um for you know anyone the idea that your your face can be easily put on to something or whatever, I mean I don't know how different IT is the photoshop, but IT feels just I like I got level really disorienting in the kind of acy thing that we don't want to exist. I think it's worse in the context of voice because your voice really is your, is yours, is your identity it's like, come on we also the little mermaid home ported voices um I don't want to live in a world where earthly gets my voice that seems fucking to horrifying imagine imagine like your selling shit that doesn't below you but that's what what's happening yet that's the ananzi ety that she's hoping scarf who I love, but I don't love this lawsuit. She's hoping to kind of use that generalized anxiety to her favor in court.

Um and if that works, I mean, that could be a case that really had a huge impact on this kind of stuff book. I kind of voice actress not sound like another character that I don't even understand is egan Scarlett's character SHE was directed uh to do a voice recording that was off of a script that SHE didn't write. There are a lot of people involved in the character of Samantha in open eye um why did he just get a right to IT? It's again, it's not her actual voice.

So i'm just not sure what we're talking about here. And any kind of law here would be super chilling when IT comes to create creative productions ing and creating new things in this entire space of general AI, which of course people likes are really, really worried about for a whole other host of reasons that I think are interesting that we should talk about. But brand, that sounds like you have something to say.

just that I would be surprised if personality rights didn't come in to play in this conversation um personally right like an intellectual property law um that basically say that you have the right to the commercial use of your of your own entity and that seems to be a fairly like this is like there's a lot of president for the law in the courts and I feel like IT IT should cover that the right to not use your own voice commercially tonight. Have other people use IT too? So I don't .

know yeah I guess we're going to see I don't know necessarily what to make of. Her chances here but I do know that this case is only exploiting because many, many, many people feel like something evil is happening with A I taking aspects of us, taking aspects of our work, creating something new. Um part of this is rooted and I think just misunderstanding of the technology.

Um part of is just probably, I don't know, I think based reality a little bit right to create these models you are trading things like to start about text, like you're trading the move of work that exists in the world. Um you know it's tell this numbers of them, but like in a way you can think of the way you can imagine IT, the way that probably the average person imagine IT is it's like we've created a mind out of a lot of other minds. And if it's not actually conscious and it's just generating text based on things that it's learned, then is that not ours?

In some way, if the models trained on me, is that not mine? In some way i've trained the chap a, i've trained of a voice. I don't even know what to call IT, and the stuff is so new, what is that called? If I have closed my voice.

you can voice using A I.

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what that's gone. yeah.

Is IT my?

Is IT mine.

or is IT? Is IT something else? You know, is what is a voice? The differences between voices is like not so extreme that could change just slightly from person to person. There are people who sound almost identical. It's also you eat.

It's it's not just your voice is how you say things is where you put in to nation IT is your identity but we've never just we've never had to really unpack this question of, you know how much of this is yours? What is how where does your identity begin in in the. This is the problem, right? It's like this stuff is so complicated because their questions we've had to ask and now we have to create laws based on IT. And I don't think we're ready to do that, but we have no choice because the technology is here.

Yeah.

um awesome. You know, I really want to talk about plastic at your balls. Well, scared to anson was suing open eye.

Another story was going super oral h, which has to do with microplate tics. Fascinating subject, which I have nothing but questions pertaining to. This study, very small, covered the budget guys and also dogs.

And in all of them there are microplate tics in their testicles. S this is not so surprising because we know microplate tics are basically everywhere. So in most animals, bloodstreams walking around a all the way up in the himalayas, ico plastics have been discovered.

We know it's sort of just in the water system now, and and they are all over the planet. So it's yet not surprising there in your testicles, but IT is just visually disturbing to think about microplate tics and your testicles. S and so of course, the story goes viral and people naturally wonder, you know, is this the reason that we have a fertility problem perhaps maybe this is the reason that we have an obesity problem. The obesity problems because the infertility problem we really don't know um but we do have a bunch of new sort of modern problems to worry about one of them is this birthday problem is is declining population problem and ah one of them is this joining question mark which is microplane s what first what did you guy of the story and then I have followed questions on microplate sics generally which again .

we know almost nothing about with Sunny actually I don't it's not clear to me that microplate tics are have any effect on your health, right? Like i'm not totally you convinced that that's the case. I don't think it's been um demonstrated yeah by any other science. So I would I would prefer to like you know get to the bottom of that before being worried about microplate sics and my balls.

Um I should also it's also worth mentioning that that study had twenty three men, which is like an extremely small sample of people um and so I I wouldn't I wouldn't put that in the robust category of studies uh, if I work if so um I don't know a lot of these things are like the whole this course around testosterone, male fertility is like still pretty messed up and not very I would say sophisticated I think in large part because of the past ten years of like me to uh activists and media just brushing off any mal health belated concerns as um you know just trivial or not we're talking about right. So um it's hard to know what microplate tics in your balls even mean. And I think most people actually feel like that i've seen that opinion expressed a lot on twitter. You know people being like i'm glad I have microplate tics in my balls making a joke out.

What about a microplate tic injection into my balls? Yeah, no idea. We also have declining. So declining fertility increase of microplate sics are balls possibly, but like probably, let's be honest. And then declining tea though is the other thing.

Yeah.

I mean, it's to know it's not really clear.

Also the the tea stuff is difficult to sort out too. Um I plug this in our last podcast, but I plug again we have a really long peace called to stock lapse on the site by Jordan castro who goes through like you know sort of all these different aspects of how the media treated tea, whether or not tea is in fact declining at the population level.

And we come to the conclusion that that is probably is, but it's still not totally clear what's causing this or if it's a chicken in the egg problem, you know like or if the studies are even good, there's all sorts of weird stuff about tea that sometimes studies don't take into effect. Like for example, your tea is higher in the morning, then that is at night. Sometimes studies don't account for that. Um is is is a difficult problem to to solve, not a doctor, but seems like the science is still up here on IT .

IT just seem like is declining though I mean, from what i've read IT seems like there's definitely a population level decline.

No, that's what that's what rps R P and like were like um probably but again, it's hard to it's hard to know what what to attribute to IT. It's hard to know how um how big the issue is.

I have a crazy theory but I A hypothesis that I would like something to test but I don't know how you I have some ideas call. Um I think that there is some kind of the epigenetic kill switch for to that is flipped when you're in really high concentrations of people, when they are like tights spaces, lots of men around in a situation basically where you would want lower t mails rather than higher t males cause high concentration, please hert.

He was a lots of conflict. So you want less conflict, right? So if that opportunity kills, which exists, that actually you would start to see this and more densely packed populated regions and in a world of smartphones, you be, could this mass media first, but then smartphones, especially when you're living based to face with what looks like people consistently all day, you feel you get a feeling that you are surrounded by people. And so maybe that is what's trigger ing this entire thing.

Yes, I mean.

they have to study.

I think theyve done. I I believe I really study on prime mates that when, uh, a gilla moves between social situations where he is an authority in the first one and not an authority or an alpha in the second one, is tea changes based on that situation.

Oh yeah, my is an increasing for years. It's just spiking straight up as i've become more authoritative subject to subject. I like that in santa cco at this point.

but there's also like this also more no yeah that's yes. There's like weird stuff. Like becoming a father might lower your tea levels because you need to be a caregiver.

Like if you master rate, if if you don't mastery for for a week, your tea goes up like this all this weird I don't know. Like there's being A I I like a list of like weird facts about a that i'm looking at that I researched being around women crying tears of sadness might decrease. T so meet you.

meet us all lower. T we all have dropped. IT was a psychological warfare. IT was definitely meet you was a russian. Meet you was a russian propaganda IT was russian propagating memetic warfare .

designed to lower R T IT be IT be me andy IT be time fitting underwear. Is that that might decrease testosterone and lever levels? Uh, you know, didn't like, didn't we have a meet two moment that was about the temperature in the office?

Yes, like women were like, it's sexy, but it's cold. So apparently increase the room temperatures. And american holmes and offices have, sorry, like the average temperature is like gone up lately in this bill. lower. Ty, we know that increase .

temperatures, lower your sperm count to know about a hot top or something that has a real effect on your sperm IT IT fixes immediately like you just think about a week in your sperm counts back. Sperm rules is just like stem is so good at unstoppable enough taking about wait.

There's another one that there's another news item currently in hype cycle or new cycle, which is that now more people are using marijuana on a daily basis than are using alcohol. And there was a study on, again, on non human primates where they gave them T H eatables and their balls actually shrank and their tea levels plumbed. So like maybe it's just like everybodys, you know taking their gumming every night and uh there's turning in the .

beta coccus yeah I also don't I want we don't know that much about the microplate .

tic studies that I just have to, by the way.

So like I don't yeah studies in general that's up maybe a higher level problem that we have as species that wants to know about ourselves in the world. It's really hard to run studies. I think this should be easier, and which there was a way, just a place that you could go, and I don't know more easily, raise money for questions that people have and then connect scientists and want to study, because I have all sorts of things that I would love to be studied.

Stuff like this is, I think, really interesting on the tea, for example, on any question they related to that because I do think it's really important, especially when you talk about low accounts, uh our low sperm counts in male and fertility and the plummeting birth rates in the western world. Um I will say though is first little we know about microplate sics in the role in all of this. I do not fuck with water bottle anymore.

I don't want to touch plastic. I don't want a plastic baggie. I don't want a plastic tupper wear container. I don't want a plastic water bottle. I am like going, but it's like I want burlap, I want metal. I want just like the ancient things is what I want and I want to be eating probably more meat and I guess not master biting, but that's T M I for our audience. Ah last dog, I guess microplate tics and fertility and all the questions that we have about these warm ones.

I mean, I think there's an interesting coral ery for women here, where as tea levels seem to be decreasing a men rates of policy stic over syndrome, which in women is correlated with higher level of androgen, have gone way up so you have like a lot of women who are probably higher tea they should be who are experiencing this sync me that is correlated with like irregular mens ration um weight gain, infertility and that has tentatively been linked to underground disruptors that you might find in microplate tics um so it's a kind of IT seems like IT cuts both ways for both men, women um there's this sort of adverse um maybe microplate tic driven an adverse effect on on hormones and I think it's to your point point about how like we we didn't really we were able to discuss men's health issues for a while during me too.

It's interesting to me because I think women are probably Better situated to understand their fertility and a kind of intuitive sense because they have menstrual cycles. And so have something off with that you can sof immediately know. Maybe you can see a doctor get tested, your homework levels tested, or as men or more in the dark in that sense.

Uh, so really we should have more of sort of focus on raising awareness, I think of of men's fertility issues. Hashtag perhaps. Yeah.

hashtag. He too.

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fun.

I want to talk speaking of testosterone, here's a man who seems to have allowed to stores one uh just and this is you know i'm i'm being judgment. I'm judging a book by cover but gigantic uh let's take you back in four years to um a horrifying parallel dimension in which the government is formed with forced vacuum, or at least coercive. How is using coercive of vaccination Mandates um you know forced masking? Schools are shut down.

Businesses are shut down. Science is being believed. But like everything is A A scientific I would say, uh, where at least every public health policy is a scientific a in new jersey, there was a gym that was absolutely terrorized by the state for refusing to close down and always kind of like bucking the a rules and regulations that were thrown down upon them.

He was, I think, two guys in Smith and Frank Robert.

thank you. So do you might breaking dalis like the the bones, this story for a saina?

Yeah so basically they owned this german new jersey um and I guess during the early stages of COVID file mercury, the governor new jersey Mandated that non essential businesses which included gyms close down ah and these guys just refused to comply basically um they were ordered to pay over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in fines for violated public health emergency rules a cops arrested clients who are leaving the gym IT was this really pretty coronium crackdown on them?

Um and then last month, so this has been like some of an ongoing lawsuit where they've been trying to contest the charges that have been brought against them by filmer pha's government. Uh a judge decided to drop all the charges uh, against them and kind of vindicated, I guess after all this time, their their case against the governor. Um I guess a cava, which I don't really think is that relevant here but people keep bring IT up. Is that the gym or happens to have multiple D I. Charges but teams completely including I guess he did kill someone two thousand seven, not funny, but he didn't kill someone in the view um na nervous laughter but how .

do you I know how you know in jail if sorry.

Yeah it's not I mean, whether or not he's done bad things in his past is not relevant to the specifics of this locked down case where he was basically completely indicated he posted suck my film morphy on instagram I guess in a triumph sort of a Victory lap um yeah I A little .

bit of extra context here, which is just an on the grounds things. I'm from jersey. My parents still live in jersey, and my mom used to tell me about this guy all the time because Murphy was a huge sort of bug man type guy, hard core leftist.

He was more on the socialist left but I would say economically like very, very, very far left and he was coming in after I forget the last guy was right before him, the governor um but he was certainly already that person in government before cover happened and then under coffee I think he became one of the more aggressive governors on the sort of, I guess prolog downside and this god, the gym wor became a kind of focal and injury y because not only did he resist, but he kept publicly antagonizing the governor and uh and the governor would strike back and he would become the the crackdown s became more aggressive and the overreaction became more extreme and more shocking and more and more people really were on the gym owner side and he became sort of the face of people who are being abused in that state by uh by by the governor for the of what you know in hindi sight was uh a series of sort of really misguided policies. And now the think about that in four years later, the cases thrown out, these cases have been thrown out all across the country because they're not rooted to my understanding. And I could be wrong here, but my senses there's not really a strong legal case to be made for the state's ride to treat people this way.

This is why also all of the people have been brought back who were kicked out of like the service and things like this for are not wanting to take that because there wasn't a strong legal legal case we made on on for the state to do this. And I think a lot of people in government, at least the ones who were, are left in government this point. So many people have so many of these politicians have lost uh their seats following their decisions.

Um I think there is an anxiety that people are going to start suing for damages because that I think that they will have a case and I think that this guy is going to sue. And I think there's a broader thing happening with coffee, which really is worth talking about. Um there is a the fouche case, which I believe is sort for related to this.

So you have in this is another one, so I would really like you to break a dance. I don't like these details incorrect but basically he was there is an important testimony last week uh for uh following one of fouche SE AIDS uh emitting under oath that gained a function research did occur um in guha with N I H funding and then this week explosive story following a senior uh adviser I believe to the N I H who. Has been avoiding buyer requests and potentially destroyed documents related to the gain of function research being done in run. correct.

Yeah I mean, basically the timeline on this is um back in may twenty, twenty one fault he testified before congress and explicit said there is not and never has been gain of function research at the wind institute horology funded by the nh I don't know if he can cavo died with funded by the nh but he basically said none of this research occurred um last week that testimony was explicit, contradicted by guy name Lawrence to back um who's currently the principal deputy director the nh who said in testimony to this house subcommittee on the pandemic, which has been having these sort of ongoing hearings, doing a sort of postmortem of all the lies the public alth lies we were told i'm trying to to get to the bottom of IT Lawrence to bec said ah you know uh congresswoman asked him whether gain in function research occurred and he said if you're talking about the generic term then yes I did occur at the uhm and studio ology ah and he sort of caviar dated by saying you know this wasn't necessarily gain in functional research to modify chronic viruses but in any event IT does contradict but file SHE said which was a very general statement, that this research had never occurred so that was last week this week um the sub committee released a proof of emails that were sent by the sky morens whose uh former senior aid to fell tried he worked at the N H.

Uh and the emails are really shocking. I mean basically what they show is that David moran seems to explicitly have um colluded with colleagues to hide sensitive emails from for your requests by housing them on his personal gmail um and he says this pretty explicitly I mean it's almost friend and I were saying yesterday like the emails are so explicit that IT almost feels unbelievable uh he says in one email um I forgot to clarify my email yesterday that both my gmail and phone calls are now safe uh text is not as IT can be forward as can my government email uh so you Peter and others I think he's referencing some scientists collor ating with should be able to email me on gmail only there's dozens of emails like this where he's basically telling people only only talk to me on gmail because that can be subject to these foy a forest free of information act requests um at one point he says I learned from our foil lady here how to make emails disappear after I employed but before the search starts so I think we are all safe plus I deleted most of this earlier emails after sending them to gmail so I mean it's just like it's cloudy ly um conspiratorial. I mean it's it's basically yeah you can see fouche m isn't directly implicated in these emails.

Although IT does seem that like this is a senior advisor to him. Clearly he must have been in the loop um the the memo speculates that um he yeah he may have conducted official business on his personal email, which seems completely reasonable on the basis of David morons as emails. Um so it's it's pretty damming stuff. I think in terms of they're being a high level conspiracy.

Very hard to believe that either of these people were doing something that thought you didn't know about. And that, of course, is what all this is about is the question of where did the virus come from? Um did american taxpayer money go to the lab to help create the thing that shut the world down for four years? And there is this brother thing that I would love, which is accountability for all of the bullshit, not a bullshit.

I am just just horrible things that happened policy wise in this country throughout that year. Really twenty twenty was the worst of IT. Um like there needs to be accountability for that, for cores, that for the four shutdowns, for all of the people who lost their jobs, I mean, all of the schools being shut down, all every piece of this and we just kind of memory hold the whole thing to move on a but now maybe you know jebra on the one hand, fo potentially persued himself on the other.

The public seems to care about this in your your post. Not time here is not letting a go. Um maybe we do get some of that account.

but look, if you're going to be corrupt, I I I expect some amount of like corruption from our policymakers and our people and institutions but not like so stupid. I learned not to say the pinhole stuff over email and I was like twenty one years old and the sky morons is like talking about how eli hired like burks because SHE SHE wore a skirt and was just IT sounded honestly like I read those emails and I don't think somebody hacked this guys account to sabotage purposes. Li, like that's how dumb these .

emails are and Better a .

corruption grow.

I mean, what do you guys make the of the accountability fix? So i'm thinking back, I remember in this way, I think twenty twenty one um now I think was twenty twenty. So efforts to go uh the parks indoors parks specifically painted a series of circles all across the park, long like sort of six by six, six foot, six foot.

This was maybe, let's say, nine foot by nine food, just White circles. And people were supposed to sit and did sit inside of those circles. He was like a social distance sort of thing.

Um you know people were not allowed to go to the beach. The beaches were shut down when they did violate that. They were arrested.

We have photographic evidence. We were lived through IT. We saw this happen. You know you ever remember walking on the street outside without a mascot outside near nobody and a cross the street, a woman walked by and yelled at me for doing, um that is the world that we were living in. IT was really fighting how close to a sort of crazy authoritarians.

M, and we got a the virus was not even nearly so bad as I could have been. Like, imagine if I was just a little bit worse, how much crazy people would have gotten um and I think that because of because of that because of how crazy things did get, we need some kind of strong response. In hindsight, I of affirmation from everybody in the group like that was crazy. There are consequences now legally for the worst of IT. And we're not we're gonna be that crazy again next time makes me nervous that's not there IT makes me ervy that accountability is not there.

There's also, I mean, aside from the social, you know like the weird social stigma that we were happening around that time, the fact that there just an L A alone, fifteen thousand small businesses permanent shut down, right? So is no small thing, is the most trivial thing to have a business and to have that shut down is a huge deal.

And if you just multiple like let's say every one of those businesses has even two employees, that thirty thousand people out of work or whatever, right? Um california lost billions of dollars in pandemic uh fraud handouts, like billions of dollars of people just signed up for payouts and got them and uh they did not they did not need them where they were scammed. The government I think I am very interested in seeing accountability on those fronts because that was like I live in california, that was literally my money. The other the government facilitated other people stealing you know and um and what kind what kind of records do you have like for that I suppose like one could do the government for that um but yeah just it's pretty greedy ous. What happened?

This is definitely the popularity of Kennedy, the Kennedy campaign I don't know even knows what else he stands for. He just wants he is really animated on the issue of the covet stuff. And um I my sense is that where it's coming from is like that ins and covet is kind of what that whole campaign is in a way that like trumps was all immigration in twenty sixteen and IT was something that people really cared about and that was something that was not picked up by other candidates. Course Kennedy is not doing news as well, robles doing but .

still I think there is one thing I find interesting about this, like pandemic postmortem moment is IT. Seems to me that a big problem with a lot of the narratives that were sort of like shutdown our threats during the pandemic is that they are being pushed by laptop class people like us, who in some ways I mean in many ways were completely insulated from the worst the devastating financial impact of like closing down businesses for months, forcing you know kids to stay home from school, all that kind of thing um who might look back on the pandemic is this kind of like weird couple year period where you can see your friends all the time and you can travel and there are all these kind of uncomfortable arbiters, restrictions on your movement, yet to wear the mask and that kind of thing.

See of those people who are like writing the news stories, creating narratives um in in the government as well um and probably don't understand the theory and trauma that the pandemic created for a lot of people and many of people who were completely burned by these policies who had like businesses they invested decades of their lives into destroyed because the Gavin newson said outdoor dining had to be closed while he was going to french laundry and all this shit uh and I think that it's IT that's a huge problem because you basically have like two radical different experiences of this period of time where obviously everyone suffered to some extent, but some people like their lives just got completely ruined by these government policies. Like the guy who who runs the gym. I mean, I don't know like how do you how do you get accountability for that? I guess you can sue, you can get the lawsuits burn out and then you can counter sue and hopefully get some money to settle. Um but for the kids who had like years of their education, just like completely rest from them and are now going to be behind on tests and socially screwed up, I don't know IT just seems like yeah maybe official apology from the government.

but I will get IT and IT matter. A cultural change. And maybe that's the bigger problem here, is that before you can get any sort of legal change into the cultural change and the cultural change, even while most people who are sort of pro authoritarians m during COVID have eased up, they have to, I think, work through what they became at that moment. Memory hold the entire thing. It's just like a complete denial of how bad things had gotten and how and how really much worse I think things could have gotten was or not really that is sort of a few maybe six months in, four months in when things started to get really bad, people did start to push back in little .

ways um yeah .

I don't know we should talk about. Have to talk about the california speed losh IT so the state california, the california said IT just passed a law that would ban the the cell of any new car either built or sort of sold in the state that does not come equipped with a warning in your car sort noxious, loud, beaming. I'm assuming, uh, every time you're driving over ten miles a over the speed limit.

So a couple of interesting things about this actually that means one, this is a bill is a warning that imagining is going to be like your seat bell warning when you're not wearing in your seats. Bet a little dying, dying that's like so irritating that you just have to listen and step in. It's going to be like that for driving too fast, a little too fast. Um what double require is tracking, first of all, that I have to be some monitoring of your car. So IT knows where you are, what the speed of IT is.

And then second, it's where we're getting to a point where I mean, the warning is the first thing and I think the next thing is like does the car even work, passes certain speed limit which worries me not only for practical things like what if I need to eat the hospital and drivers fast, but also um just I don't know IT annoys me is my car don't tell me what to do, I don't like see I sort like an I speak a person and they should exist but I certainly don't want um I I I certain don't want to be forced I know it's the law, give me a ticket. Don't dell fuck with my car um this is I think, attached to a bunch of ideas, uh, a bunch of sort of similar type policies. But before I moved too far into IT, let's talk about this one saga and you cover california and have been on top of this one, you alert me to this uh, this bill. I was happening until I was too late. What should I be thinking about here?

I mean, this has been a pet project of Scott weener, uh, whose I think the senator behind the bill for a really long time, uh, which I think kind of makes sense because in we some thank Frances go um and safran ces or he is he represent safran ces go and in 3Frances o there's been this very long standing visions， zero push to reduce traffic fatalities through A A bunch of totally unification measures where they basically like repainted streets. They spent you millions of dollars on, I don't know, stop signs and all these things. Traffic fatalities have only gone up in conjunction with trying to ban autonomous vehicles, which is a whole another conversation.

But I think politically IT makes sense for a um I I think it's annoying first of all because to be honest, if you think about how frequently you drive over ten miles an hour, like ten miles an hour over the speed limit, IT probably happens all the time, unlike highways and you know deserted roads like this would be incredibly annoying that I do think the tech probably exists because if you use apps like ways and stuff, they can track uh, the speed limit of you know the road that you're on and and tell you if you're over the limit. Um I mean, there's been a lot of i've been more surprised to see how much positive response this bills gotten from californians where people are like this is an amazing way to reduce traffic fatalities because I guess some study has shown that if you tell people they're driving you know too fast, will slow down and and potentially be safer. I would actually have to look into that study because my I would my senses that like reckless driving, I don't know if like a speed governor would actually stop someone who's disposed to driving recklessly, from driving recklessly. Um IT just seems kind of weird, but definitely in the same boat that I think it's it's nani state behavior um unsurprising from Scott ener.

But it's also increase the cost of cars. I mean, let's just talk about that. It's not free to do this is a change is going to impact everybody in the country because there is not going to be two sets of cars, one for california won for everybody else.

This is a policy that california alone is going to be able to force perhaps onto the entire nation of the united states, which in itself is really herriton just the complete arrogance of that. Um why don't it's why should someone living in lousianner be beholding to what california voters decide? And then again, this costing and a super inflated world, everything costs more. How is that going to affect families and be riding old cars is what's going to happen. But really, what I want to talk about, have you guys seen the movie demolition man?

I saw that a long time ago, described a really great.

and i'm going to break IT down for you. So demolition man, first of all, the child is really my favorite movies. Um I created a science experiment based off a bit and I got the blue ribon and I went to state for IT, then lost really about there.

But this is a movie about a cop. His name is silvestra alone and he's chasing this really bad. And this isn't like the early nineties and uh the really bad villain lights a building on fire and everyone dies and alone who's a really good guy and really jacked in like action hero. He is blamed for this thing based on some reason that I forget because of this he and the super villa um they are sentenced to really, really, really long prison senses. And in this alternate version of amErica is a scientifically world.

This new technology has just emerged where the criminals could spend their time cro genetically frozen and uh rather than served all at once, you're frozen and you spend at all and then you wake up and you live your life and while you're co generally frozen, um they do a bunch of behavioral things to you to sort of um I guess make you Better is the first sort of trani an thing that you have here um so well a lot there are you go on forever love story short they wake up in the super, super, super or future in in in california believe it's at first just go I think probably lost Angeles is actually um and in this future world everything's amazing everything's super utopian. The very first thing that you learn is that you can't curse to logos to curse and he gets a little ticket for IT. Um you can't curse.

You can eat fatti foods. Um all of the restaurants served the exact same food. You can have sex okay it's just considered icky and bizarre and everyone's dress really well and it's superfusion ism and everyone seems happy. But the rules are, well, very friendly and very kind, very oppressive. And altogether you IT pays bizarre picture of like a super interesting this topic that we haven't really seen before where um you know it's not killer robots that we have to worry about.

It's just a any state government that sucks all of the joy out of living a human life and that includes not only driving a few miles over the speed limit, but in my opinion, eating meat, which is really where this took me. We talking about the scientist bill in florida not too long ago, and the bill was a ban on lab grown meat when that happened, which I considered to be super outrageous. You know, people should be love to experiment and eat and sell whatever lab grow me they want right now.

I mean, within reason and we find out its lethal OK, but that's not where we are yet. Uh, there's a lot of push back in. The most interesting push back I got from that position was in the world of debt ous lab grown meat, everybody's gona be forced to eat IT.

And um the reason is because the government is going na ban beef, certainly california. And I thought that's crazy. That's not what happening anyway that what we've discussing, it's not the law that's on a books.

I would oppose that. There's no way that will ever happen. I think actually, I was looking at this speed limit thing and I thought there's no way that doesn't happen.

There's no way that if these people in this mentality persists, there's no way we don't see an effort to ban things like meat. Scot winner also was a big soda tax guy. He is just a mani in general. He said he gets this weird past for moderates because he is a ibi. But he's bad on basically everything else.

Um he's a sort of classically presenting bug man and those of the people who are going to be in charge, it's just like actually like a nuclear apocalypse, like who survives uh the topic is the bug man, it's the cockroaches and like this is kind of I don't want to call a cockroach I don't think is a cocker roach um but he is a plug either okay. And like that is I don't want to eat the bucks and I don't know bread. What do you think about the bug?

But I don't want to eat them either and I hope that we don't ban meat. I I have a hard time believing that will ever ban meat. I tickets too culturally ingrained um for that to ever fly um and crack me from wrong.

Has that the the speed limit tinging? That's only a bill. It's been introduced and pass in the house and it's going to be said.

I knew that I think right um I .

don't know if it's actually passed in the assembly. Let you check. I thought you go .

back okay no no part sometimes yeah passing both.

It's a question of the side.

Yeah and he like, kill so many. Yeah he like your laws. So I don't know. I mean, I hope on your site I don't I don't want the annoying dinging.

I think actually that seat belt doing is is because of a regulation, by the way. Yeah, I think it's california is monetary lately with nanny state regulation and it's honestly just gives me anxiety, Frankly, like IT, I don't it's sucks. Sucks to see. I wonder what .

the limit is. You know where? H, I don't wonder. I just not want IT. You can stop this stuff when you have to like the IT does seem innocuous right like cooked okay digging if you go ten miles of the speed limit um but it's my car it's not your car and I just the concept of this bizarre violation of my privacy also just you shouldn't know where i'm going.

I don't even like the idea of tolbooth or, uh, in jersey there are so many to booth. There is the always study flooded what we could actually track your speed from tobi th to pull to booth with by moderating the license plates. And then you can measure how fast someone's driving by doing the math there.

And so will to start mAiling people speeding tickets based on half they went. I don't like there need to be a cup there. You have to have an officer of the law who spotted you, who wrote you a ticket.

Um you broke the law. They know for sure they were there. I don't like the automated system. I don't like the over automation of everything, and maybe I would like IT more if the over automation of everything was contributing to my life rather than only being used to write me tickets. But that's sort of what IT feels like um in in a situation like this is just like this extra oppression on me.

It's a consumer and reminder the state is is there that the state exists yeah you're constantly being being reminded of this thing that is it's there and IT has authority and um you Better .

you Better know that he reminds me of them also like when you go to hotel and there are these bright on exit science and should at night and like all these blinking lights for your firearm in your smoke detector and everything else um IT is that IT is this constant reminder that there are people in charge of you and I just want to be left alone. Sometimes I get IT saved lives.

But like, what is what is that life that you're saving? Let me live. What is a life for saving? I can't go twenty five miles in a twenty million hour speed zone.

I was going to say it's like the the british prime minister banning cigarettes for everyone who I think everyone who's like sixteen and under is going to grow in a world where secrets are banned completely in the U. K. And it's kind of this thing where, I mean people going to buy to book on the black market, lots of people are probably to stop smoking. But IT is one of these things where it's like, can you just leave people alone, let them smoke tt if they want? No one has to um but I don't know.

I just I was really I get the logic of that maybe the only way that you get cigarettes out of a system um but it's just I would be furious if someone just a couple years older than me at age for thirty five, some thirty eight year old could do something that I couldn't do that's just so unfair um but yeah, that is probably what's going to come here. I wouldn't be surprised of california does that and they ve been everything else. They bend metall cigarettes right like there. There's nothing that they won't do.

We've totally lost our way on the site. I think people like winner don't he's forgotten why amErica is the best country in the world. It's because we actually have liberty to do basically whatever we want.

As long as IT doesn't get get in the way of anybody else um to ban mental cigarettes. I mean, I think you probably people probably argue, well, that ultimately is paid for by the taxpayer and it's it's a strain on the you know health care system. But that's like, okay, good.

right. Like like our taxes are to promote liberty. Like ultimately, right? Like we should. We should be able to do we should be able to kill ourselves if that's what we want to do and that's what we're paying taxes for for for this very free society. And um it's weird how many people don't realize that and actually sort of like to hear about new laws like this and think that they're good.

We should talk about democracy a little bit too. So Scott ener specifically, he's famous online and I think he gets probably more heat than he deserves for this. I think it's the right wing especially comes out in a way that is really dark.

This is a guy who is sort of famously very into fall some street fair yeah but for some story fear is a fetish party and IT is totally a place that beizer rapin org feel like drug is like promiscuous sex um all sorts of bizarre fetishes that are also mechanism here and graphically described them, but many of them that come with a complicated health risk uh certainly promiscuous sex, which again, in my opinion, I do think he sort of gillmor ori zing by being a proponent of something like this. I don't personally have a problem with the existence of something like false m street fair. I say let a freak fly their freak flag just as long as the children are around um I feel this way about sex in general and pretty liberal about IT.

But you certainly can't tell me in my face that there's on a health consequence, our our health risk involved of having unprotected constant like like promise you or even protected promiscuous sex with strangers. Okay, like there there are all sorts of precautions you can take and drugs you can take after the fact. But it's it's a hugely risky lifestyle that you are promoting that many other people would have a huge and do have a huge problem with. And would love to see band, would love to see pride band because of the sex stuff that not even just false some, but pride band because of the lifestyle, that the life style that is on display at a festive like this.

And the reason that we the way that we defend this, that was the reason that we don't do this, is we say, then the government does have a right to tell you what to do with your own body but here the same man is saying you can't smoke a fucking mental cigarette te, or let's talk about a sugar tax like, come on, dude, like why did you get to decide what is healthy and in sort of which rules about health? What sort of natural laws about our body we listen to and we don't it's like what is that? It's just incredibly arrogant.

He has no right IT is it's not just that he's correctly sort of addressing health concerns is that he's creating a world that he would specifically be happy in and that's not the way this country should work. It's like you either are in the freedom later, you're not and he's very much not and so I have a hard time defending him on the weird sex stuff because it's like you don't get to pick you don't get to pick yours. So you either you either believe that the government has a responsibility to police, are healthy. You don't. And if you do, you Better get married Young and never have sex before, after with that, with a stranger, because that is the healthier way forward.

Didn't he also try to reduce the penalty for like intentionally infecting something with HIV? Is that because it's .

got he succeeded in, which is, oh yeah, wow, which is a like that has come up recently. There was a case where a dude with do with H I V purposively infected somebody else and the judge was like, Price, like, I want to put you in jail for a long time and I cannot because of the new legislation um and you know this is a new once conversation I think um. But at the end of the day, this is a man who passed legislation that resulted in more H I V infections, purpose H I V infections um that went really is basically unpunished but wants to tell you what to eat and it's like, uh, we got, come on, did what are you doing here? Winner was also the sponsor .

of a build that past last year that made IT illegal for cops to call male or female trans criminals by their former name online. Like, if theyve don't like, they could not post their mug shot. They had all, I get the name right when they posted IT online, something like that. So what like.

whatever those are, his personal priorities is all, I mean.

he's apparently was that he was a big issue for the L G B T Q caucus, which he is a part of, or like the head of or something until you know how that works.

But there is no way he's assist White guy. There is absolutely no he's in charge of IT. They would never allow that in today's, in today's political quiet.

True.

he did do something to give Scott a little bit of credit. He's currently trying to make a section of downtown sf a an entertainment zone which means that you could like legally drink alcohol history um I mean you can legally basically legally do that now .

but I don't know.

I think that kind of nice. I think I think personally open Carry laws are are kind of annoying.

Sometimes open Carrying you up.

not open Carry, sorry, open container. Open container what .

their open the lary and on project in the street name and drive you. It's as long as america, that's how we're going open .

Carry while you're drinking in the street.

Did you see that? That is over and Cliff, it's going viral of people drinking while driving. In the eighties, when all the laws were being passed, they were dislike. Dude, after a long day's work, why can I crack open a beer on my way home?

Still, any attempt to restrict drinking and driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic.

Give to put a hard days work put in the day and then you truck in the last round. Two bears.

they're making the laws where you can't drink when you want to. You can't. You have to wear a seat bet when you drive in. I would become this country.

And here's a thing about that. I don't think you should, and I would never, but I actually don't think. Probably one beers.

The problem is people who are wasted in their behind the car. Anyway, I get why the law exists. I get why I want to exist, but that was Sunny. It's all these different glimpse of these people talking about this leg.

Are you fucking kidding? Like, what on that? Is this, this is the soviet union at the end of this, that what was like hartist think that were very close to communism at this point. Was like hell yeah abies were like so much more based and we've lost so much we're losing recipe.

We've heard of me before um I don't you know the thing is like you could say this is one of these were all going to look back and be like you going I don't know I talk about the to see things all the time and people are like, yeah beeping is annoying. You shouldn't have to listen to that. Um I I wonder about this.

hasn't california tried to pass legislation forcing you to like take a blood alcohol test before starting your car?

I don't know, but there's no yeah but IT sounds is correct.

The thing is is like you can be like no like you you know like you look bad, like that person IT would .

be a while to take on the mental of you should be allowed to drink a little bit and drive to take on that to to die on that hill because I Better there is like a really good libertine argument for IT. And you know there's some autistic liberata who has the the, the full all of the data has the argument is just waiting for his chance in the arena. If you're out there and you have the argument hit me up, I I ready to listen.

Guest we're doing guest takes now. Um we will put you on blast ah and I will listen i'm ready to learn about just a little bit of drinking and driving and my saying do IT do not do IT um but I do you want to learn more about IT guys it's been real um rate subscribed review um I don't know we're going to make IT to this week because youtube definitely going to come after us. These topics were not allowed. Um we'll see what happens catching next week.